Early Automatic Pistol Cartridges - What, When & Why? 

Like older cars. Everything was different and unique. Then people figured out what was most effective, and everyone did that.

That Bergmann No.3 oh baby seems so sleek and jet fighter-y to me. Blade runner ish

They provide Hollywood with some exotic patterns for movie props and steam punks luv em.

No

They were

Try C&Rsenal. Longer lecture, much less PowerPoint!

There’s a reason people literally refer to him as Jesus lol

Gun jesus is capable of much greater miracles....

Power Point Blank

@@kaneo1 I love C&Rsenal. Sorry I'm replying one year too late, lol, it seems YT notifications "work" pretty well.

Used by snipers around the globe

Yeah. A pistol firing at a third the velocity to escape earth’s atmosphere and enter space. 10,050 fps is about 3 km a second. Escape velocity is about 11 km a second.

You've heard of the anti tank gun, now meet the anti tank pistol

Bergman Railgun

I wasn’t looking at my monitor when I was listening to this part and imagined some sort of hand rail gun was about to be on my screen

So, it had quite an interesting history. The Inglis High-Power, made for China during the war was another interesting sidearm. They came with a shoulder stock and a groove in the grip with which to attach it. I think these were probably very fine firearms.

I feel like something similar with a magazine in front of the grip would be cool in shit like .44 where you can't really hold it if the mag is in the grip

@@joelspringman7748they’re usually not *great* guns for their time. The reason so many stocked pistols were made for the Chinese market was to dodge export bans on rifles during the warlord era. Even more interesting is the fact that since there was no centralized Chinese currency, the main currency used by most warlords was Mexican pesos.

Chris Spencer actually the "laser guns fired plasma apparently"

I'd choose the laser/blaster version of the 1911 OR a CZ75B, but just because I have big hands, and the Luger doesn't QUITE feel substantial enough in the grip. Do I poo-poo the Luger? oh HELL NO!!! The Luger p'08 BEGAN the ergonomics revolution, and it is SO EASY to point and click that it's BEYOND its time by generational lightyears... That said, I DEEPLY miss my CZ75B. "Ceska" (yes, I name my pistols) was a tack-driver. SWEET 9mm that she was, that pistol could put all twelve rounds in a group no bigger than 1/2" at 13m/45ft. I MISS "Ceska"...

I found a set of 3 parts gun BOLO broom-handle's in Shotgun News years ago for like 40 bucks. They were indeed in horrid shape, but I did manage to get one working gun out of the bunch. The bore was so shot out that I am sure it would never have been very accurate unless it were lined and re chambered, but it was a working model. I polished her up as best as I could and hot blued her on my next gun bluing run (I was a working gunsmith at the time), then took her to a gun show along with the other 2 parts guns which I also blued but didn't put a lot of labor in polishing as they looked as though they lived in a rice patty for a few years. The complete gun went for 200 bucks, the parts guns for 50 each so I made out OK considering my initial cost and the labor I put into them. I never dared to fire the complete gun although I did have a box of surplus ammo from an order that I had received for a fellow who needed something to feed his bring home Communist China Tokarov back then you couldn't get the right load but feeding them on old 30 Mauser seemed to work OK, he was pleased as punch as he had been trying to feed her on 30 Luger which was, of course not a great idea. He showed me the empty cases, they looked almost like 9mm Luger after firing.

@@stitch626aloha I am still angry at myself for selling my Luger. Years ago about 1979 if I recall properly, I was sitting in the barber chair when a fellow walked into the Barber Shop/Gunshop combo with a Luger complete with holster, extra mag and cleaning rod. Now I don't see well without my glasses and they were laying on the barber's counter, but I did recognize the shape of the item. I purchased it without even taking it out of the holster to look at it, on the spot. She turned out to be a real beauty, just a plain Army model but in like new condition, even the checkering on the grips was undamaged. I took her out to the police range that very day and tried her out, after all what's the use in having a gun if you are not going to fire her? She shot like a dream with the military surplus 9mm that I had, so I grabbed a box of hallow points. Now I never figured she would feed properly since hallow points were not even thought of back when she was made, but she loved them as much as the hardball! Ah but the urge for a bigger better gun lead me to send her to gunshow with my buddy the barber, I wanted a modern 9mm, but he traded it off for a damn Polish Radam I didn't want the Radam, it had RED grips for christ sake! I ended up taking a Engfield sporter in 30-06 and a chief's special Smith in trade and he sold the Radam.

This is great 🤣

Spot on. As well as attempting to mimic the ballistics of a 22lr , shot from a rifle or carbine, in a small short-barreled auto. When looked at in that light, I’d deem it “effective”.

It is amazing how long the .25 acp has been popular. In the 1960s, it was still very popular for the foreign made "vest pocket pistols" (a/k/a Saturday Night Specials) that were used by small time hoods as highly concealable weapons. I still have one, and it is a lot of fun. Not for serious everyday carry, but better than nothing when you cannot conceal anything larger. With the 1968 gun control law in the US, these pistols could no longer be imported and this caliber began a steeper decline.

Johnnie Remington probably. It's amazing to think that what we consider to be state of the art fire arms will be look upon like these pistols 100 years from now.

Yeah, but if the Forgotten Weapons of 2100's appears, I believe the Glock family will not appear, maybe in a 1911's development video like Ian here done, wait, maybe the next Forgotten Weapons could be hosted by Ian the 2nd!

In a 100 years firearms will be banned from civilian knowledge and humanity forever enslaved.

@@ragnarokstravius2074 .45 GAP

Not another glock video

Nukleon Clips are cooler.

And so much more fiddly in a tense situation.

wood1155 In California they are called 30 caliber magazine-clips.

They had a 10-shot C96 where you had to feed it two 5-round stripper clips, instead of just putting in a magazine in a split second.

One ten shot clip, and you didn't have to eject an empty mag first. Just having ten shots in the gun was way ahead of most pistols of the day. There's a reason over 1 million C96s were sold.

made my day!

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The triple x

@@robertfuller2807 NOBODY CARES

Hotel: Trivago

A little bit of Borchardt in my life, a little bit of Browning by my side

A little bit of Mauser is all I need A little bit of Webley is what I see

You guys just aged yourselves. As am I by commenting

My friends.

USMC03-1408 You don't have to be teen at the year of release to know a song, if that's what you meant. And if so, when did it come out? And how old am I? :-D

Outerwebs the recoil of that could pop terry cruise into a pink mist, but whatever he was aiming at would be deleted as well.

30,274 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle. Or about 2.5 times more energy than a .50 BMG out of a Barrett M82.

A E yeah that’s super badass because decent loaded 44mag is like 1200lbs lol

Of course it's legit, it's the first hypersonic weapon!

@@1ohtaf1 when I shoot a bullet, I want it to go nearly two miles in a second.

TheBamidd Something tels me you could only use it once, and the result would be quite counterproductive.

Might as well hand it over to the burglar/murderer. Probably gonna be more effective in self defense that way.

For anyone wondering, that would be a round going a shave under 7000 miles per hour. Liquefied bits of the barrel would be following the round down range. The sonic boom would shatter windows quite a distance away, and the shock cone infront of the round would create a nifty fireball (imagine orbital re-entry) until the round slowed down significantly. The more I talk about this, the more I want to shoot something like this.

Eks calybur Yes, exactly my point. Makes me think of the Saber handgun from the left behind series. Not trying to get religious here, just the best reference that comes to mind. So much hydrostatic energy transfer that your target turns into a fine mist.

Alright this is how we are going to do it. Scrap the gun powder bullshit, c4 detonates at 26000 fps, so we will use that. We will create a vessel that can withstand the detonation of c4. This acts as the casing, the chamber and barrel will have to be equally strong. The projectile will be a ~175 grain all steel .30 caliber projectile that is fin stabilized. Around the projectile is a polymer casing with a steel base to act as a sabot for the projectile. The barrel will also be 100 meters long.

Yes, that is correct.

Yea they look cool but they don’t shoot all that great. Very high bore axis. Luger and 1911 shoot way better.

@@craigthescott5074 Ya, I thought they were pretty hard to shoot. But, for their time, they probably would have been very desirable. Mr. Churchill dispatched a few enemies with one, in close combat.

@@joelspringman7748 yea they are very cool especially if you have the shoulder stock. I own whats called a red nine. 9mm but I haven’t found a shoulder stock for it yet.

@@craigthescott5074 The bore axis is no worse than some DA revolvers, and I don't hear much about how they're "harder to shoot". It's all about getting used to your pistol.

@@johnmullholand2044 well a John I can tell you my Red Nine is cool but the 1911 is far superior. The Luger is also a much more ergo designed pistol. The Mauser is cool but not practical even by 1900’s standards.

@feelings Are Not Arguments pkm ak svt40 svd

@feelings Are Not Arguments the IS-3, rocket mainstages, gun/launcher systems, ERA, nuclear power, etc. Soviet union kinda sucked but you can't accuse them of not inventing stuff. What they accomplished isn't bad for a country that was feudal 30 years prior

@feelings Are Not Arguments As much as I dislike communism and many of its proponents, I cannot agree with you. Copying and then building and improving upon ideas is how many great things came to be, and is not something exclusive to the Soviet ideology. It is also not exclusively how the Soviets came up with things. A lot of Soviet invention came about just by them wanting to do things differently than the West did.

@@Tunkkis exactly of we weren't able to improve on technologys I doubt we'd have gotten very far a good example is eddison finally making the light bulb mass producable and effective of he wasn't able to improve upon the works of others we wouldn't have modern lighting hell we'd probaly still be cavemen

@feelings Are Not Arguments What country got into space first

Not really, only the caliber is in metric, everything else is Imperial. 😛

@@TruthNerds Joules, grams, m/s That's all metric

@@grga5891 You're right, the text shown to the right of each gun photo also shows metric/SI, which is indeed awesome (for a non-US person like me).

Remember imperial units are defined by metric system, by example: 1 inch is 25,4 mm by its own defenition. So imperial units are metric why imperial is still around is curious.

@@beeldpuntXVI This makes no sense. The Imperial units predate the metric system. The antiquated, convoluted, and inefficient Imperial system is still around largely because a lot of Americans (boomers, mostly) were too stupid to switch to the metric system back in the 1970s when they tried implementing it... although even the British, who invented the silly Imperial system, have largely abandoned it. If the people who created a measurement system have more or less phased it out, what does that say about the system? The argument that Imperial units are better for navigation (due to the way that map grids were laid out) is silly--we can readily create a new grid system. Knots (nautical miles per hour) is an inane measurement of speed since no one measures distance in nautical miles anymore, and 1 nautical mile > 1 land mile. By contrast, if you are going at 750 kph, and your destination is 750 km away as the crow flies, you can be certain to be over the destination in an hour (assuming constant speed and no drifting off course). And when it comes to ballistics, compare the formulae for calculating muzzle energy in joules versus calculating it in ft-lbs. The latter is a convoluted nightmare when compared to KE = 0.5* MV^2. Add that we _only_ measure bullets in grains (and nothing else), and you'll really start hating the Imperial system as much as I do. I keep hoping that some day, the U.S. will adopt the metric system and let the Imperial system gather dust along with the use of cubits and fathoms.

Different Frommer, dude. Arthur Frommer of Frommer's travel guide fame, wasn't even born when the Frommer pistol came out. The Frommer pistol came out in 1901, whilst Arthur Frommer, the founder of Frommer's travel guides was born in 1929. Not. The. Same. Company.

The house of Romanov doesn't get sarcasm I see. I was joking your majesty.

Sarcasm doesn't show itself well in written word. There is no tone of voice to give it away.

This is very true. I will try and make any attempt at sarcasm more evident in the future.

It's not easy, that's for sure. I try to be sarcastic in comments and fail on a regular basis, myself.

Brice Graves hell of a legacy, a great example of good science when compared to .45acp. 1/2mass x velocity^2.

Sadly

@@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043 1 man's opinion... Certainly NOT for mass adoption. Only in USA of all 200 countries is it so worshipped.

Though at the time, in John Browning’s world and military examples, the US had just come out of the Spanish-American War, and the Army had switched to the rather anemic .38S&W, which had dismal results on Mora’s in the Philippines, causing Troopers to want their .45 LC 1873 SAA’s back, along with all the shotguns they could get their hands and hacksaws on. In 9x19, ball was all that was available for many years, we enjoy many great 9mm self defense rounds today, having been uber developed in the last 20 years. Many militaries and civilian law enforcement in other countries used .32ACP or .380 as sidearm calibers. However, Browning and FN turned around and developed the Hi-Power shortly after that, but JMB passed away before it was ready for market. He built it around the 9x19, so obviously he saw great potential in it. There are many, many reports of assailants/criminals taking multiple 9x19 hits, staying on their feet and remaining a threat until bleeding out. I did jury duty in a murder trial once where that was the case. With .45’s, not so many reports of threats being shot with a 185-230 grain slug and uttering “That SOB just shot me! I’m going to kick his ass!” and then doing it. Some, but not many. Usually, with a .45, it’s kinda like dropping a small block Chevy engine on their head. Usually.....

Sic vis pacem, para bellum...

Invented in 1845, by Louis-Nicolas Flobert.

Marty Malone the end of the west,by no means is that considered the wild west

@@jonmeray713 The wild west ended in 1912.

@@supremecaffeine2633 The time period generally referred to as "The Wild West" begun right after the end of the Civil War (1865) and ended around 1895. One could say that it ended in 1900, in 1916, in1920, or even that it never did, but most sources would agree the period lasted thirty years; from '65 to '95. "Although the “Wild West” is a time period generally defined from 1865 to 1895, there are many events that shaped the American West as a region from ancient times up to 1916". - Legends of America "The second was the call of Manifest Destiny, the idea that American westward expansion was an American right and something that was guaranteed to happen. While the settling of the American West began in earnest in the 1840s, the most famous period in the region's history, the Wild West, began in 1865 after the American Civil War (the war fought between the Northern and Southern United States between 1861 and 1865) and ended in 1895". - study.com/academy/lesson/the-american-west-history-settlement.html Other sources: www.thevintagenews.com/2017/12/31/wild-west-era-2/ www.american-historama.org/1881-1913-maturation-era/wild-west.htm www.quora.com/When-did-the-wild-west-era-end

Answer #1 - The US Census officially declared the end of a deliniated " Frontier " in 1890 . Answer #2 - In rural areas and small towns away from big cities , not much changed right away . You still rode to town on a horse . You still hauled "stuff" in horse drawn wagons . You still farmed with horses ( Unless you were big time enough for an expensive Steam Tractor . Unless you were close to a rail line , stage coaches were not uncommon . You still used kerosene lamps and candles . Things didn't really change much until a couple of years after Model T Fords, and the related light trucks became common . ie in the 1910's .

In the Clint Eastwood/Robert Duvall movie “Joe Kidd”, one of the ‘henchmen’ carried a C96 Mauser equipped with the wooden shoulder stock and that character is seen reloading with 10 round stripper clips. Also prominently shown is a bolt action scoped hunting rifle, that I believe is in a Mauser action. I’d have to re-watch it again to be sure. Now, I realize this was a movie script set in turn of the century southwest America/northwest Mexico, but it is interesting to note the incorporation of the more modern firearms and technology in the storyline. I believe there was one used in “The Wild Bunch” with Robert Holdren.

Dana Jorgensen and suddenly it becomes a Generation Tech video. 😆

Omg this would be amazing!!!!

Dana Jorgensen 😂👍😂

Hello, future here. you gon' be disappoint.

I have a piece on a Frommer 1901 coming in a couple weeks, FYI... :)

Forgotten Weapons @Ian, i noticed that the adopted cartridge of the Colt/Browning 1900 in .38 Automatic was pretty comparable to a 9mm Parabellum. I also heard you say that this cartridge would become or was the 38ACP. Is this LOAD (138gr @ 1050 fps = 318ftlb of energy) still in existence today? Or was it only meant to be used on that large frame 1900? That load would not be such a bad load for our modern day pocket .38's :)

I think you are combining the .38 ACP and .380 ACP - they are different cartridges. The .38 ACP became the .38 Super, and it used in locked breech pistols. The .380ACP is what we today call the three-eighty, used in compact, often blowback, deigns. They are not interchangeable at all; they have substantially different case lengths.

Forgotten Weapons you are correct Ian. That was my mistake. Thanks for clarifying that for me 👍

Rick Autr

Echo Rabbit I approve this message

You're proud because you have something? That's an interesting approach to life. PS. I'm a gun enthusiast too.

Seriously Smashing Sharkdom! Starting ~ @15:00 are those cobwebs on the Frommer 1901's TRIGGER? I dont see them on "Sho'Gun Jesus" review here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p-CXrytOS0E.html

It is by far one of the ugliest pistols ever designed.

Are you sure it wasn't a mak? 9x18 makarov is pretty much exactly what you described, dead center between .380 and 9x19 parabellum.

West Germany 1980's, sounds like 9mm Ultra/Police.

FD Mackey yeah sounds like maybe a PM Makarov

I believe you are describing an Astra pistol. nothing you are describing rings as Walther to me

No not a Mak, LycanEnforcer. The pistol was all German (markings, etc.) as well as superb quality and was even a little larger than the Mak in terms of frame size. The pistol I handled and fired had been recently replaced in German Police service, in Bavaria, by an H&K. At that time, the mid 1980s, it was not uncommon to see Officers in different cities or states armed with H&Ks or Walters of various models and vintages but I had always assumed that they were all chambered in 9mm (Luger). My German counterpart invited me to a range in central Bavaria where we fired several pistols that had been replaced by newer production models, mainly H&Ks, in 9mm of course. The .380ACP would feed, most of the time, from the magazine but due to the anemic (compared to this mystery cartridge...A mystery to me since I can't recall for the life of me it's actual name) loading did not always allow for reliable ejection of spent brass resulting in any number of "stove pipe" jams. As soon as we switched to the "good stuff" the pistol never again suffered a jam or failure to feed or eject and was far and away more accurate than it had been with the "standard" .380 ball we had tried in it to start with. If you placed a typical .380 ball round, this mystery "hot" .380, and a standard 9mm round side by side the case length of the "mystery round" would be noticeably longer than the that of the .380 but almost exactly the same length shorter when compared to the 9mm brass. It was my impression at the time that the "mystery round" was a "for military and police use only" type thing with the police being the major user. I really wish I had purchased that pistol (it was legal for American GIs to do so at the time but required a LOT of paperwork) if for nothing else as an addition to my small collection of old, classic, and even oddball handguns that I had at the time. But alas I did not and it was the video that brought the memory of that "mystery round" and the pistol it was chambered in rushing back to me this morning. .

Sam Sung - fired out of what?? A witch's hat?

Tamlan Dipper a revolver... hes probably talking about .32 H&R magnum

grottski - Thanks. Any idea why seems popular in revolvers not automatics?

Tamlan Dipper the short answer is because it's easier to simply just lengthen a cylinder and that generally magnum revolvers can accommodate the weak cartridges due to them headspacing on the rim. Autos tend to headspace on the case mouth. However, there are Magnum like loads for auto, their naming convention is just different most of the time. 10mm is technically a "magnumized" .40 S&W (actually 10mm came first, but the FBI wanted an easier shooting round so they loaded 10mm down). Another example is .45 super and the even more powerful 460 Rowland, both of which can be considered to be "magnum .45 acp." And oddly enough, guns chambered for them (or most of the time converted to them) can fire .45 acp as well. These are the exception rather than the rule. There are other "magnumized" auto pistol cartridges but these are the 2 most prevalent examples.

Tamlan Dipper oh yeah and another funny fact is .32 H&R mag is considered a weak round by today's standard. We now have .327 Federal Mag which is damn near .357 magnum power with a .32 caliber round. Really neat cartridge. And it can fire all of the other .32s as well.

You're a f*ing liar

I doubt extremely they would not check his helmet, much less keep it, if you capture someone first thing you do his strip him of all equipment including body armor/helmet.

@@rafaelsousa5 it's a who's dick is bigger contest

The bull*hit is strong with this one.

My grandpa found Hitler's body

This is a bit of an oversimlification - several earlier and smaller rounds existed, like the 5mm Bergmann and 5mm Clement, which were both centerfire. Later, Franz Pfannl would develop a couple centerfire rounds that are substantially smaller than .25 ACP (the 2mm, 3mm, and 4.25mm Kolibri). The .25ACP is about as small as you could get and still use the modern standard small pistol primer, though.

Yeah that I’ve caught my eye too gorgeous gun

I want a Nagant model 1895.

You can, you just need to abide by some stupid rules/laws eg, ""Long-barrelled revolvers" and "long-barrelled pistols" meeting specified criteria are not classified as small, and hence prohibited, firearms; it is legal, with a Firearm Certificate, to possess them. The barrel must be at least 30 cm (12 in) long, and the firearm at least 60 cm (24 in) long, which can be achieved by having a permanently attached extension to the grip or butt of the firearm. Long-barrelled single-shot firearms of any calibre, and semi-automatic pistols of .22 rimfire calibres, are permitted with FAC.". From the wiki.

Then there muzzle loaders which are complex, antique firearms are free to own with out any licences. So yes you can buy one today and stick it over the fire place if you want. But shooting them needs a firearms/ shotgun certificate and a powder licence.

So basically, nothing you can actually use and so expensive only the wealthy can afford it. A monarchy at its best.

Jay Barker most likely the the UK will ban free speech next

boxfox reyes They never had it in the first place. "Oi, m8, u got a loicense for that pug video?"

And crime was vastly higher.

@@AgentTasmania No, not really.

In Czech Republic we still can lol)

The good old days!

We could sure do with some shot up schools - feels so unsafe without guns here

Mike B hey, he still made an adequate pistol, which is more than most of us can even accomplish

Most of the country had concealed carry bans by the time 1900 came around most states had already begun banning in the early 1800s because of fear of slaves freed slaves and abolitionists with the exception of Vermont the state founded on abolitionism almost everyone banned concealed weapons before revolvers were even invented only in the 1970s-80s did concealed carry begin to be legalized first may issue than shall issue than finally constitutional carry

Yes , there was a big spate of anti gun legislation around the turn of the ( 20th) century . But that said there was lots of concealed carry taking place . This video was specifically about early semiauto pistols, and very interesting from an historical and engineering perspective . But what most people were actually carrying / keeping at hand were revolvers . The .38S&W( not Special) was introduced in 1876 , and probably the best ctg then for true Pocket sized revolvers . Heck , I've pocket carried a S&W Third Mdl Safety Hammerless in .38s&w , and felt at least as well armed as with a .380 . Other popular calibers of the day included .38Short Colt , .32 Long of both S&W and Colt Flavors, .32S&W, .32 Short Colt , .22rimefire, .41rimfire, both short and long , all of US origins . Imports included .44Webbly, .442Webbly, .450 . And Peters Ammunition made ammo in " .44 Bulldog " that wasn't a specific chambering , but was usable in several . As to the guns , actual Colt, Smith&Wesson, and Webbly were the top . Actual Iver Johnson and H&R had solid reputation for the mid price market , and some inovative features in their own right . The debate between S&W top breaks , and Colt's early swing outs was a Ford vs Chevy thing . But solid frame revolvers were common, and commonly used . And there were zillions of knockoffs of everything , the quality ranging from virtually indistinguishable from the real thing, to mostly serviceable , to total junk . And to further confuse things , both Iver J and H&R made theirs with private branding for a myriad of retailers and distributors . Were they any good ? Back in the day, rapid reloading wasn't a concern with pocket pistols . Within that caveat , many of them fulfilled there purposes . I alluded above , but with my ( now) .38S&W Hammerless , the first 5 rounds I fired with it went 5 for 5 on a 6in steel plate @ 17yds, offhand, one handed, with POI/POA dead on . By modern tastes , the .22s, .32s&w, and .32Short would be woefully underpowered . But with .32 and .380 pocket autos being popular today, the .32Longs, .38short, and .38S&W would be in similar territory ( at least for the first 5 or 6 shots ).

I like it.

Well that clears that up.

Ask Ian an open ended question. Receive an open ended answer.

Len M T33 yah hang fire all night long.

Yes, exactly the same scale down to the fraction of a pixel.

Forgotten Weapons As expected: great, accurate work, thanks

Forgotten Weapons lol

what's funny?

azz187 within the first two minutes of the video Ian addressed this and his answer here was sarcasm and was completely opposite to what's stated in the video.

lubey111 - the .38 was a kinder, more loving way to gut shoot someone....just sayin’.....😂🤣😂🤣

Completely different requirements. Many of the world's armed police carried revolvers into the '90s.

Makes sense police aren't gonna see combat elements

Most of it was politics

When you do not have a squad, fire team, whatever to protect you, reliability matters. It is called having the right tool for the job. There are the Hollywood types, and there are those of us who's fathers had a badge.

@@mighty_booshy4310 sir your mind is playing with you

They did. You just have to get it out of the mystery box.

@@Brawler_1337 :O

That round was developed after WWI, and falls well out of the scope of this video.

Forgotten Weapons Thanks Ian

Because I did a poor job of removing the background from the image.

Forgotten Weapons could you please post a link to an image of the following gun? M1896 Compact Mauser. also imagine if you will a bull pupped c96 carbine with the trigger just in front of and below the magazine and the grip coming out of the bottom of the magazine. would have made for a great carbine.

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