@360Swurve idk man, I'd be worried this lingers the full season. You'll be stuck having to play him bc of name value but end up regretting "buying the dip"
Stroud had a great year and his offense got upgraded. He’s a risky pick going that early but I think the ceiling is even higher. 3 great weapons, a good TE, a good RB. There’s no reason this offense shouldn’t be in a scoring position a lot. The floor is high and the ceiling is elite. I do think tank Dell is special and the number 1 in this offense. Stroud’s absolute floor has to be over 30 tds and his ceiling, if we think he’s great, which I do, could be 45-50 tds I’d rather have him over mahomes who’s going earlier in drafts
@@ericsele5500 fully agree, except I do believe Nico is still the alpha in this WR room. 1A/1B scenario with him and Tank (who I also very happily own in my dynasty league)
@@NaijaTRG can’t blame ya for having Nico as the alpha. He had a great year. I’m going out a little bit on a limb with my tank Dell shot, but I think he’s going to have a year like Amon ra but with more big plays. Maybe even like a big cooper kupp year. He puts up huge numbers when he gets the targets and I’m drafting him early in drafts and often.
I understand the discussion on Zay Flowers, but couldn’t one argue that he broke out the 2nd half of the season as a lot of rookies do because he got better? He was almost solely used as a screen catcher to start the year but then was used more on intermediate and deep throws later into the year. Could he not keep that role despite Mark Andrews? It’s not like Isaiah Likely didn’t take targets when he played. The Ravens offense was good last year but they were with a 1st year coordinator and have a ton of room to improve in my opinion.
not necessarily. as a likely owner, his points primarily came off touchdowns, with only 2-5 targets each game. andrew’s would command around 7-9 targets a game, which will take away from flowers. i don’t think their argument was flawed much, they’re successfully accounting for historical data on the lamar and andrew’s connection
@@johnedward1843 after Andrews injury, Zay had 8+ targets in 5 of 7 games. Likely was averaging 6 targets a game, it’s not like they are going from 0 tight end targets to 8 for Andrews. And again, it’s a rookie wide receiver who had a good rookie year and got better throughout the year. The offense can be much better.
The Ravens have to use him better. Hes one of the most talented receivers in the league, but gets shade thrown at him because hes short. Ppl think hes a slot only guy, but those ppl dont watch his film. With all that said, I still think hes getting drafted a lil high, and im probably his biggest fan.
andy has an irrational hatred of the ravens. havent even gotten to the flowers part yet and i already know he is the spearhead behind the flowers fade. his anti ravens bias is showing no doubt
Speaking from a Raider fan perspective, while the concerns about D.Adams are valid, one thing I don't think they're taking into account about last year that had a drastic impact on the entire offense's performance is the complete lack of a competent OC and offensive philosophy all season. Before McDaniel's got fired he was calling lackluster plays just trying to tank the season. And after Pierce took over, they promoted the QB coach to OC bc he was the one most familiar with Aiden, but he had never called plays before at any level of football. So the 2nd half of the season consisted of a rookie playcaller trying to Frankenstein a convoluted Josh McDaniel offensive system onto an NFL field, while also trying to cater it around a rookie QB. Luke Getsy might not be the most well regarded OC out there, but he is certainly a monumental step up from where they were last season. And despite everything, Aiden still played relatively well for a rookie thrown into such a mess of a situation, and now he's going into year 2 with an established play caller. Either that or Minshew will be taking the reins, but either way it's a huge leap up from the lows of last season. Imo if age hasn't caught up to him, Davante will crush his numbers from last season
UG, I'm sorry, Bears fan here. It wasn't just Fields. I hope you like seeing 6 screens out of every 10 passes. Only an Aaron Rodgers type (that would audible out of his call even if it wasn't "permitted") could de well with Getsy. I wanted that guy as far away from Caleb Williams as possible. Stubborn, stubborn, stubborn. I feel bad for Raiders fans
@@DaGrizzlyOne I respect where you're coming from with that. I know Getsy has plenty of question marks around him, but I insist you look into Bo Hardegree. The man tried, but he was completely out of his depth as an NFL OC, was literally learning on the job each week calling plays. Now, it's not like i'm hyped up for Getsy, and I don't think it was all Fields fault either. Imo Chicago was a poor mix between coaches and player where the player didnt fit the system and the coach didnt suit the player, which undermined them both, but neither are quite as bad as they appeared.. either way, sad as it might seem, Getsy is still an improvement over what we had in Hardegree. It was a screen every other play for us last season too lol, except lacking any basic concept behind why we were even doing it. They were just default "idk" plays from Hardegree. Getsy at the very least brings along experience and a reason and concept with his screen game. If Adams isn't washed, I really have a hard time seeing him doing worse in this system bc even if Getsy is the worst OC in the NFL, he's at least a real OC with his own system and concepts that he himself installed and understands. Hardegree was none of the above. A newbie QB coach pushed into a 1st time OC role that he really wasn't built for, with a playbook he had nothing to do with and a rookie QB. I really cant state it enough just how unacceptable of an offensive system we had going last season. Its amazing we even did anything with the ball, let alone got Adams the numbers we actually did
@@-alostsoul-6902 Well, it does seem you at least jumped out of the firer and back into the pan. Sometimes a fail experience and a second chance elsewhere can work wonders. Let's hope so for Getsy and the Raiders. He had to have learned something in Green Bay and under Rodgers. I hate them, but can't not have respect.
I'm with Jason on Bruce Wayne. Even Captain America needed a serum. Bruce Wayne TRAINED HIS BODY to peak physical perfection, to the point that he can even somewhat keep up with superhumans.
Some of the most consistent breakout players are year two wide receivers who finished the second half of their rookie year extremely strong. Zay flowers falls into that category. He’s the WR1 on one of the best teams in the league with an MVP at QB I don’t understand how he could be a bust. He’s not even going that high in drafts.
There was a stat a couple of years ago that 70% of all year two WR'S improve their their numbers by at least 20%. I haven't followed through to make sure it remains true, because I'm relatively certain it is holding, if not both %'s going up. Loves me some rookie RB'S and 2nd year WR'S. Always have.
you're arguing adams is being drafted at his ceiling but then saying his ceiling is a top 5 WR....he's being drafted as the WR 10-14. so he's not being drafted at his ceiling.
To me it’s like people who say ridley will be the number 1 over Hopkins ya tripping . If that’s the case levis pulling a Winston and going 30 for 30!😂😂
they both had the exact same stats last year, and if ridley pulls in a few of his drops he blows the doors off of hopkins stats wise. Its anyones guess who leads the offense. But ridley is younger and got paid, chances are they will want to use him alot.
@@ryanhudson3064 same stats on double and triple coverage and a lesser qb lmfao exactly my point . Age ain’t nothing when he takes peds now 😎 I see d-hop as the main guy and ridley as deep threat .
Fyi boys, Mostert is 32 with an extensive injury history, carried the ball the most he ever has the last few years, he's more of a depth piece now with Jaylen Wright added. Also Achane is only 1" shorter and 5 lbs lighter than Mostert. He bulked up in the offseason for a reason, will also be lining up at WR & McDaniel said he NEEDS to get him more touches! He's basically Jahmyr Gibbs at a discount!
I am in a superflex PPR League as we speak 8 hours per pick. I am drafting from the fourth spot. First pick went Josh Allen second pick went city lamb third pick went CMC. We start three receivers. I went Patrick mahomes jameer Gibbs AJ Brown and Travis Kelsey for my first five picks. What's your thoughts Boyz? Also have Jaden Daniels.
the problem with jayden daniels and richardson too is that nfl teams have gotten better at containing qb's who rush first and are mediocre or bad passers they have packages just to keep them contained sure , they will be great against crappy defenses, but so will all qb's so , basically you are counting 10 plus rushing td's for the rushing qb bump
When am I going to see a Washington Commanders helmet on the table. I've been waiting for years now. Sell one of the eggs and buy. Hell send you address and I'll mail you one. There only $5. Other than that you guys are great. Thank you for your Time and Talent.
BREAKING: Set back in Andy’s voice during training camp. While FFballers coaches had expressed optimism that he would be ready by Week 1, sources (this episode) are stating that he is in a much worse condition than previously thought
Tough to go RB, RB unless you’re in maybe a 10 team standard league. That said yeah, I’m ok with Nico as WR1. I think Diggs ends up as the WR3 without fail in Houston. Also completely agree Adams is a bust at ADP. You guys are killing it today.
@@ericsele5500 I’m really high on Nico and Dell, view them as WR1 and WR2. I think Diggs is a cancer and his best days are behind him, don’t really understand why the Texans went and signed him unless they plan to emulate the Bengals and run 11 personnel all day long. The Bengals at least don’t have a reliable TE. From what I’ve heard Dell and Stroud have good chemistry and a great connection, which is why I’m high on Dell too. I’m curious why you think Dell will finish as the top receiver though.
@@tmartin8888 Diggs is way better than woods and brown. That’s why they brought him in. He’s a very good receiver. Dell out produced Collins last year when they both played. He also had 7 tds in 10 games last year. Watching Nico the last 3 years, I think he’s solid but not really elite. Dell coming out his rookie year and producing like he did, I think he’s an elite route runner that came out as a slot receiver but was good enough to play outside for the Texans and still produce. I think Dell will lead the team in targets, receptions and tds next year
@@ericsele5500 Makes sense. But you have to be careful with TD production in small sample sizes. Especially with 3 starting caliber receivers. But I trust you know your team, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dell is the top receiver, just was curious. Do you know what the plan is for Diggs, like will Dell stay mostly in the slot or will Diggs move into that role or will they rotate them? My Bengals have been trying to get Chase more slot snaps, think their drafting Burton helps that way.
@@tmartin8888 my thoughts are that the Texans want Dell to be the slot wr. And that brown and woods couldn’t be an outside WR last year and that’s why Dell played mostly outside and that’s why they brought Diggs in. To be the outside WR so Dell can be the slot.
I disagree with the Adams assessment. Only because Minshew was one of the top qbs last year to target their first read. Hes gonna give Adams a million targets
You wanna hear something funny… so averaging out the rushing aspect of Richardson style, it’s 34 yards and a TD per games… that’s 10 points right there… But dude isn’t a thrower… if you extrapolate his numbers… 2,453 yards throwing… with 12-13 TDs and 4 INTs….. He’s a good fantasy QB, but not real life QB… he needs a ton of work… he wasn’t good in college… He’s a more physical Tebow that has better decision making….
QBs I’m drafting before Stroud after Allen, Hurts, Mahomes and Lamar are gone: Richardson, Burrow, and Prescott. TLDR I’m not getting Stroud in drafts, he’s QB8 for me. And I go back and forth on Stroud/Love. WRs I’m taking over Flowers: Cooper, Higgins, Dell, Pickens, Godwin.
I think one thing about selecting players like Stroud that's not being accounted for is fun. It's fun to draft players like Stroud. And most of us are playing for fun. So, sure, might he not reach top 5? Is it fun to hope he does? Yes. I don't see it as a "disaster" if you draft a guy hoping for a top 5 finish & he finishes at 10. That's not a disaster. A disaster would be if he finished 15 or so. Just think "bust" is too strong for Mike's argument here. Bust connotes "YIKES!" lol - if Stroud throws 30 TDs & finishes QB10, no one will say "yikes!". My 2 cents.
I think he’s got a very safe floor and an elite ceiling. He’s worth the risk and I’d rather have him over Mahomes this year who’s going sooner in drafts
@@bluestarlockc4853 if you don’t draft him in rounds 5/6 and he ends up the QB1 you will be disappointed. That’s the risk you take when taking him. But if you think he’s good and has good weapons. Seems like a good risk to take.
zae flowers was a ROOKIE last year he is the number one receiver on a very good team his has an up arrow mark andrews is now an oft injured safety valve target flowers should finish top 20-25 easily he is a value
A good team that doesn’t throw a lot. Finishing 20-25 is fine but where’s the ceiling? Give me tank Dell, nabers or Pickens in the same range all day long. As a WR 3 I would rather go for ceiling.
@@ericsele5500 meh, they weren't' that far apart on pass attempts both were rookies one solidified the number 1 receiver position the other is going to lose targets to stephan diggs one was injured and missed games the other should have been playing in the superbowl on many fantasy teams they will be wr 2's flowers will outscore tank dell easily this year
@@flerbus I’d take that bet all day. I think Dell is going to be the number 1 WR for the Texans this year and when he was healthy I think he was the number 1 WR for the Texans last year. Dell showed elite upside when he played. Like top 5 WR upside. Flowers played 5 more games and had fewer tds. Dell had more 100 yard games in fewer games. If Dell didn’t get hurt, I think he would have ended the season with more receptions, way more yards and way more tds than flowers.
@@flerbus I’ve heard that about a lot of players and don’t think it’s true for WRs. The league protects WRs now and I see it as an advantage to be faster and quicker. Players like Devante smith, Chris Olave, Jaylen waddle are all pretty small but they get open. Smith is only 5lbs heavier and 4 inches taller.
Devante Adam’s Age I agree Team I don’t the game script favors him to see 10+ targets a game The upgrade at qb. Another stud TE. I’m all over Adam’s He said it’s not mike Evan’s lol everyone faded Evan’s because of age and team exactly as you say for Adam’s 😂😂😂😂 They said downgrade at qb baker Worse online and defense 😂😂
Agreed but the difference is Evans floor was baked into his ADP. You could take the shot and not have to worry about him busting because he was at best your flex out of the draft. Adams is being drafted very close to his ceiling and if he hits his floor he ruins your fantasy roster because he’s a 2nd round pick
@@jmcfizzles9583 that same logic can be applied to Adam’s … Didn’t he have the most targets last year ? In fantasy football isn’t volume king ? Seems you don’t practice what you preach . His floor is 13:14 points that’s not bust lmfao . Meanwhile that logic should apply to everyone inside the top 2 rounds then 🤣 If that’s the case why ya taking bijan in the first round ? He was rb 19 last year lmao bust Adam’s was wr 6? Being drafted as wr 11/12 now ?? Give Adam’s stats to any wr in the first round you don’t even blink at the adp lol
Herbert is the value of the draft, to me. Yeah, Chargers are going to run. In modern NFL there is no way 30 attempts a game isn't minimum (with Artie out of the HC picture). With 500 attempts 3700-4000 yards is about right, 28-34 TD's isnt crazy expectations, 350-400 yards rushing is in line with what he's done, 4-6 rushing TD's is not a crazy expectation either. That works out to a 18-ish to 20-ish ppg if he keeps his TO's low, a top 10 QB any way you slice it. Herbert is my "in case of emergency" QB if I don't get a running QB.
@ChadTheDragonLord 302 rushing yards in '20, with 3 TD'S. 5 TD's in '19 and about his average yardage. 3 TD's last year and around average yardage in a shortened season. Mid 300's and 4-5 TD's, with that subpar RB room is not crazy. But by all means, follow the lemmings and avoid him.
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The “Flowers only thrived when Mandrews was out” is just lazy. So you’re saying that a rookie WR… trying to get into a groove… might be solid in the back half of the season? Shocking, I tell you, SHOCKING! Likely was there as well and say targets and Flowers still did well with him on the field. A rookie getting hot in the back half of the season is what we saw, not a “only while Mandrews was out” bs take.
Davante Adams is a volatile pick, the offense could focus on him and he has not lost a step. You could argue Jimmy was worse for Adams than AOC. and Adams was injured with a bad shoulder injury early on. But who knows how many touchdowns he can get
God mark andrews is so overrated. Zay flowers will be the top playmaker in that offense and they will be trailing in alot more games after losing major pieces on defense.
Waddle is undersized, Hill is undersized, Addison and Samuel are 5’11, AJ Brown is 6 foot, Diggs is 6 foot… You can preform being a smaller guy, I’m more of the camp let’s wait and see on Flowers… he could more Waddle than M. Brown (who was on the team) Oh ya and Lockett is only 5’10
Fields got the short end… He did nothing but improve year over year… still rushed for 50 yards a game, got more accurate and improved his TD to INT ratio… I would have given him that 4th year, most QBs come in… rookie year is whatever, maybe they have a sophomore slump maybe they improve, but you expect to see improvement in the third year and he did… then got kicked…
I don’t understand Nico’s draft price as WR1 or early 3rd round. This dude had less than 500 yards his first two seasons, and yes he broke out last year but Dell was out, and now you add Stefon diggs. I owned Nico last year and love him, but I just don’t see the path. Splain yoself Mike!! Is it solely because he secured the bag? Cause I think they were only able to do that due to lots of talent on rookie contracts, and that it doesn’t certify him as the 1. Personally, I think Dell is a better receiver
IDK about nico this year. 2nd round ADP when they have 3 great WRs? this team will be 11 personnel all day and you know diggs and dell will eat just as much... better off with dell later on. diggs also could easily be the WR1 on this team and going 14 picks later
Ballers, can a guy make a request who listens on a second monitor while busy with work? Is it possible to use the UDK promotional banner spot as a graphic ticker to rotate between the promotion and the topic/player? (e.g. "BUST? Davante Adams) Sometimes you only drop the name once, and then have an awesome discussion that I tune in on but have to rewind to see WHOMST we're on? I do this at least 3 times an episode. Not a big deal, but it would be puh-retty cool.
Well you didn't see anticipation passes from Mayfield but you did see that from stroud and he whooped the brown pretty easily in the playoffs I think QB 4 is right
