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Kings and Generals' animated historical documentary series on medieval history and history of religion continues with a video on Protestantism in the Christian church before Martin Luther, as we discuss various groups that were considered heretical by the Papal catholic authority and opposed the Pope and clergy for a variety of theological and political reason.
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@magellantv
@magellantv Год назад
Have we told you lately how much we love your videos? This is such an incredibly in-depth, yet also concise, overview of such a complex topic! 👏
@johanm_16
@johanm_16 Год назад
Hello. Writer and researcher of the video here. Hope you liked our overview of different religious movements of western Europe in the lower middle ages. Of course we couldn’t go into detail of them as this video is meant as an overview touching on elements that the heresies/movements have in common. Sources used: -The Western Church in the Middle Ages, John A F Thomson -Religion in the Medieval West, Bernard Hamilton -Religious Controversy in Europe, 1378-1536 Van Dussen & Soukup -Medieval heresy : popular movements from the Gregorian reform to the Reformation, Malcolm Lambert -The Peace of God: Social Violence and Religious Response in France around the Year 1000; Edited by Thomas Head and Richard Landes -The Worlds of Medieval Europe, Clifford R. Backman
@Landerdidthat
@Landerdidthat Год назад
Hi, where do I find more information about the valdencions ? I was intrigued by the fact that still exist to this day
@paulc1497
@paulc1497 Год назад
Thanks for a great video and I'm looking forward to more! It would be interesting to explore the impact of social and theological events on motivations for reform, for example did the failure of Jesus' 'Second Coming' to manifest at different times (like in the year 1000) cause a disillusionment with Catholicism, or the impact of the Black Death on society and people's beliefs. Its a difficult topic probably with few sources, but might be an interesting area of research for this series
@johanm_16
@johanm_16 Год назад
@@Landerdidthat Lambert’s book has a chapter at least on the Valdesian which was well written. If you are asking for information on today’s Valdesian’s I unfortunately don’t have much info on them
@johanm_16
@johanm_16 Год назад
@@paulc1497 The impact of the black death definitely would be an interesting topic. The scare of the year 1000 is something I have not found many sources, and I personally suspect it’s importance has been increased by later writers
@malleableconcrete
@malleableconcrete Год назад
I appreciate the effort put into this but my understanding is that the segment concerning the Cathars is now considered outdated, and that they probably weren't so influenced by eastern sects like the Bogomils and probably didn't have a dualist view of the world. They also weren't as well organized as often suggested, a lot of these notions came from their enemies in the mainstream church who, over the decades, added ever more grand accusations and proclamations about Cathar beliefs and behaviours, slowly turning them into an evil conspiracy when in reality it was probably more of a series of eccentric local beliefs and customs in Southern France, especially concerning the ability of laity to reach a level of spiritual authority comparable or greater than that of the official church members. As far as I understand, the Cathar didn't even call themselves Cathars, and the name came to be applied to them by mainstream catholic writers who supported their destruction who based the name on ancient heresies that they had read about in an attempt to draw a line between the Cathars and much older heresies that was probably entirely fictional. This is also where their associations with the likes of Manicheans comes from too.
@davidhughes8357
@davidhughes8357 Год назад
Religion has always been a major influence on the development of human civilization from the very beginning. Kings and generals has done a great service to all of us with documentaries like this and others to show the impact that it has had on our global history. From the earliest time to the present. Thank you so much.
@manuelapollo7988
@manuelapollo7988 Год назад
Such a good work! It would be so cool to go deep in the theological differences between these heresies in a future video, especially in the firts heretic movements (what was the difference between the monophysits, the monothelits and the monoenergists? How these heresies began to be conceived starting from a platonic or aristotelic view of the World?)
@Kennyov93
@Kennyov93 Год назад
Well, it was also seen as herecy to be against the churchs authority to change the laws of God like the ten commandments
@joels310
@joels310 Год назад
Especially how they shaped Mohammed and his schizophrenia with his blood lust and pedophilia
@hawkeye4659
@hawkeye4659 Год назад
Yesss, that would be so awesome 👍
@DestroyerOfSense000
@DestroyerOfSense000 Год назад
I've always been curious why the early Church took such seemingly trivial theological differences so seriously. I'm tempted to believe that it was, consciously or not, a front for power politics. Did anyone besides the higher clergy even understand the theological differences between, say, the Miaphysites and Chalcedonians, let alone care?
@coolekikker4454
@coolekikker4454 Год назад
Sounds extremely boring
@allonzehe9135
@allonzehe9135 Год назад
I love the non-militarily vids. That's so fascinating.
@OptimusMaximusNero
@OptimusMaximusNero Год назад
Protestantism: *Is created* Catholics "Finally, a worthy opponent!" Orthodoxs: "I thought what we had was special..." 😢
@daarom3472
@daarom3472 Год назад
to me it seems that Catholicism and the Orthodox church were different flavours of the same thing as they had a similar political structure (top down with single leader). Protestantism however shook the foundations of both the faith itself and the way it was organized.
@BleedForTheWorld
@BleedForTheWorld Год назад
@@daarom3472 very good analysis. Notice how often times those who controlled the organizations of Christianity often quelled "rebellious" attitudes whenever it started to jeopardize the status quo.
@Redpilled_Retribution
@Redpilled_Retribution Год назад
@@daarom3472 the orthodox structure is not that similar to Catholicism It's much more regionalised and autonomous, and has no central, ruling elite with the same power as the pope
@BleedForTheWorld
@BleedForTheWorld Год назад
@@OptimusMaximusNero you've said it yourself. Their shared goal for consolidating power through the lore of Christianity and the image of the Christ. For some humans, everlasting greed and lust for sex (priests also have sex behind closed doors) are necessary for their survival, so be it.
@jokester3076
@jokester3076 Год назад
@@daarom3472 the eastern Orthodoxy church is much more decentralized, there is no “supreme pontiff” and no central governing authority.The metropolitan primates who enjoy autocephalous status are not subordinate to the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople, their considered peers and equals. Bartholomew I of Constantinople is more like a head franchiser and elder spokesperson for the religion. What the Eastern Orthodox share in common with the Catholic Church is they both consider the ancient church canon and sacred tradition to be equal in authority to the bible, because it was the church guided by Holy Spirit that authenticated and authorized the biblical canon.
@mikemodugno5879
@mikemodugno5879 Год назад
Also, I just read about how the Cumans who settled in Hungary (Greater Cumania) eventually converted to Calvinist Protestantism. I would love to see a video about the forgotten Turkic Protestants.
@konstantine381
@konstantine381 Год назад
I believe a Cuman identity was non existent by that time
@dnosic
@dnosic Год назад
Cumans converted to Calvinism? 😂
@Shiranu17
@Shiranu17 Год назад
@@dnosic Yes?
@Osvath97
@Osvath97 Год назад
Calvinism in general is quite popular in Hungary, especially in Transylvania.
@futureisyours3016
@futureisyours3016 Год назад
I never knew but, lets say they were later made Jannissaries and members of the royal guard.
@shehansenanayaka3046
@shehansenanayaka3046 Год назад
kings and generals always teach good history things. one of the best ever history channels ever. love ya all. a huge fan of you from sri lanka. protestant movement i think start by martin luther by his ninety five thesee. one of the best things ever.
@grimkupid8478
@grimkupid8478 Год назад
This was great, please keep all the great content coming.
@markusskram4181
@markusskram4181 Год назад
As always, I love that you are always unbiased about every subject it makes the videos interesting
@janlindtner305
@janlindtner305 Год назад
A very important and necessary knowledge to understand why early and late medieval wars were so varied. I look forward to the continuation. Thanks for now.
@muazzamshaikh2049
@muazzamshaikh2049 Год назад
Informative as always!! I bet your videos will be found in the playlists of people studying history
@christianwalton7080
@christianwalton7080 Год назад
WOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Been hoping to get some stuff on the Reformation, Proto-Reformation, and/or heretics from you guys!
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals Год назад
It is interesting how similar the Chantry from the Dragon Age universe is to our world's Catholic church: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jnWl3ioT25A.html
@FrJohnBrownSJ
@FrJohnBrownSJ Год назад
What in the world?
@Rockstar-bq5fm
@Rockstar-bq5fm Год назад
Shouldn’t this be the Wizards and Warriors channel posting this??
@alicjacaban2226
@alicjacaban2226 Год назад
Hm why many nobles supported Protestantism.becouse they can confiscate church property.🤑
@dnosic
@dnosic Год назад
@@joeypaisano9235 Straw man argument. He didnt say that at all.
@sandygehrmann6309
@sandygehrmann6309 Год назад
Also "Simony" is pronounced "sai·muh·nee", as in "Simon".
@Artur_M.
@Artur_M. Год назад
A great video! I love to see a nuanced view of the Middle Ages being popularized. Speaking about the Council of Constance, you could probably make a whole video just about it, including a look at the two members of the Polish delegation (who defended Jan Hus): Stanisław of Skarbimierz and Paweł Włodkowic (known in Latin as Paulus Vladimiri). The two had some interesting, ahead-of-their-time ideas.
@cdcdrr
@cdcdrr Год назад
The relative tolerance existing in Poland-Lithuania is a very interesting abberation in an age of growing absolutism and religious strife. A shame what happened under the Prussians and later Soviets would erase much of what had been built over centuries.
@compatriot852
@compatriot852 Год назад
It should be noted that Grand Duke Vytautas even became known as the king of the hussites after his intervention.
@OTDMilitaryHistory
@OTDMilitaryHistory Год назад
An excellent summary of the various movements. I really enjoyed this video.
@compatriot852
@compatriot852 Год назад
I find the slow conversion of the Teutonic order to Prussia to be an interesting topic considering their original purpose and the impact on the native Prussian Lithuanians who also eventually became Protestant and made the region a center of Lithuanian literature/culture.
@bigsarge2085
@bigsarge2085 Год назад
Always informative!
@UpendraSingh-bn6ls
@UpendraSingh-bn6ls Год назад
A very timely video, I had to write a essay on the topic Came out to be very helpful thank you K&G
@smallpotato3908
@smallpotato3908 Год назад
Glad to see your effort in putting that part of History of Religion in a fair and clear pictures. Hope another Age of Reformation will come soon.
@axelbauron155
@axelbauron155 Год назад
My favourite video from my favourite YT channel. Fascinating!
@cc-dtv
@cc-dtv Год назад
Incredible video, Thank you so much for uploading this.
@HellenicWolf
@HellenicWolf Год назад
BEST HISTORY CHANNEL EVER, FANTASTIC WORK GUYS.
@holyfreak8
@holyfreak8 Год назад
Ian Hus was on the spot!
@k.a.2253
@k.a.2253 Год назад
Man before his time
@RJ-bq5mr
@RJ-bq5mr Год назад
He was a heretic
@ravinglunatic299
@ravinglunatic299 Год назад
@@RJ-bq5mr John 10:27-23 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. The word of the living God is infallible.
@Win5ton67
@Win5ton67 Год назад
Jan Hus was a temerous lunatic who directly attacked legitimate spiritual and temporal authorities, which inevitably led to a fierce and bloody civil war in Europe - a war from which our societies are still suffering to this day.
@arethmaran1279
@arethmaran1279 Год назад
​@@ravinglunatic299 The word of the Living God was assembled by the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 Год назад
Nice video. Can't wait for more on this interesting subject.
@al_fire
@al_fire Год назад
Yes!!! This is awesome!!! Hope you can have a full series of these videos!!! It was very well balance, lots of information without deviating from the main topic, the maps were so accurate, the flow of the script was very fluid, and the conclusion leave you want it to watch more. A big congratulation all the team that made this possible, keep with the good work, and looking forward for more! 💪
@Uzair_Of_Babylon465
@Uzair_Of_Babylon465 Год назад
Fantastic video keep it up you're doing amazing job
@kyleharder3654
@kyleharder3654 Год назад
Great video, really interesting and respectful
@albertovalerio6766
@albertovalerio6766 Год назад
Excellent Video! Hope you guys can make more of this. Hope you explore the Huguenots!!
@antonnurwald5700
@antonnurwald5700 Год назад
Religious history stuff is exciting, I am looking forward to more of it. Great video!
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ Год назад
Great video on a fascinating topic.
@benedictmarkolitoquit4848
@benedictmarkolitoquit4848 Год назад
Thanks for this information great job 😊
@vrkoven
@vrkoven Год назад
A very fine overview, congratulations! Back when I was in college, I had made a special study of the Waldensians, so was glad to see them mentioned here (I also noticed, though I didn't enter, the Waldensian church in the center of Rome). A small Waldensian community emigrated to North Carolina, in the US, though this was long after they had essentially merged with the Calvinists in Italy and France. There's a town called Valdese in NC that is their epicenter there.
@admiraltiberius1989
@admiraltiberius1989 Год назад
Absolutely love stuff like this Bravo Bravo 👏
@PrivateBeerStash
@PrivateBeerStash Год назад
Great video as always!
@mat3714
@mat3714 Год назад
Great work guys
@isaaclobo7311
@isaaclobo7311 Год назад
Incredible work!!!!
@jonathandumigan8041
@jonathandumigan8041 Год назад
This is awesome and I've been trying to find videos on the 40 years war about the Protestant/Catholic split. This so far has been the closest I could find. Please keep it up!
@hanzup4117
@hanzup4117 Год назад
I've had my fingers crossed for a video from K&G on this subject :)
@aiyanasaf4849
@aiyanasaf4849 Год назад
Loved the video, very informative. Could you please make a video about Protestant Reformation and Martin Luther King in this series because in RU-vid wherever we've searched there's no such simple explanation like yours.
@whamsdram
@whamsdram Год назад
Fascinating - thanks!
@tschohanfaitscher3481
@tschohanfaitscher3481 Год назад
Yes! How cool. Please more videos on the history of religion
@tommy-er6hh
@tommy-er6hh Год назад
you mean like: c.539 Mazdaism (aka Magi) Persian King Cyrus the great conquers Pagan Babylon, soon after decrees conquered people (including Hebrews) will rebuild their temples. c.550-522 BC Persian Achaemenid Empire has pre-Zoroastrian Mazdaism as official religion, until the Magian priest Gaumata rebellion vs king Cambyses II - Cambyses II died, then cousin heir king Darius recovers empire and in 522--330 BC Persian Achaemenid Empire becomes officially Zoroastrian religion instead. Original Mazdaism(Magianism) with the Magi priests fall out of power, although still around. Persian Empire from Egypt to central Asia estimated contains about 45% of all humanity (45 million of 100 million Earth Pop!) at the time.
@bijornswordraise2916
@bijornswordraise2916 Год назад
These was amazing video , welll done
@rafaelcanosantos3554
@rafaelcanosantos3554 Год назад
Great video guys
@brucebisbey9554
@brucebisbey9554 Год назад
Awesome stuff. Our people left Sandwich, England in1635 on the HMS Hercules for both religious and political reasons and landed at Plymouth. Yup we fought in the Revaluation and every US war since, we lost 7 (Union) in the US Civil War, Yankee blue bellies, with much respect to the Rebs and their Stars and Bars. Great to get some historical input of our 180ish million Protestants in the US, with total respect for our brothers and sisters in Catholic, Jewish and other religious groups.
@AustinSauce3
@AustinSauce3 Год назад
Good stuff. American stuff 💪
@jglangdon7
@jglangdon7 Год назад
Hope to see the next one soon
@-RONNIE
@-RONNIE Год назад
Thank you for the video it was good 👍🏻
@024Nimma
@024Nimma Год назад
Love these videos about religion (especially within the Western and Eastern Roman Empire) and how detailed they are. Keep up the good work Kings and Generals!
@jamesforreal
@jamesforreal Год назад
I never knew there was this many attempts at dissension and reformation before the actual Reformation. Love these videos!
@utopia4056
@utopia4056 Год назад
Everything starts from a previous attempt, minus the 1st one, which is usually always unsuccessful. But people have the ability to learn from mistakes.
@Procopius464
@Procopius464 9 месяцев назад
Martin Luther was greatly assisted by the printing press. Before the printing press it was much harder to mass produce anything or make anything go viral.
@nicklepin7133
@nicklepin7133 Год назад
I love your channel. You’re voice also belongs on history shows on the history channel
@mgrzx3367
@mgrzx3367 Год назад
This was very interesting. I didn't know this history. Thank you so much. I learn so much from you all. My family had a religious war. Protestant Uncle married a Catholic girl. I wasn't even born yet, but I heard about it. The sh*t hit the fan. Wow! Arigatou gozaimasu Sensei. Deep bow of respect.
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals Год назад
Scandalous!
@mgrzx3367
@mgrzx3367 Год назад
@@KingsandGenerals Arigatou gozaimasu Sensei Kings and Generals. so much to learn from you. Deepest most respectful bow. Thank you.💘
@patof72clune51
@patof72clune51 Год назад
@@KingsandGenerals The protestant heretics DID NOT reform anything but caused evil revolution. The ACTUAL reformers were Catholics within the Catholic church who reformed misabuses to catholic truth by those not properly following it.
@hajlinger
@hajlinger Год назад
I am a very big fan of this topic, but even I myself have not heard about the Catharism. It's great video thank you for your work!!
@jessealexander9074
@jessealexander9074 Год назад
Great stuff
@emadabz6886
@emadabz6886 Год назад
Great job
@benbutler9282
@benbutler9282 Год назад
great stuff
@hardlo7146
@hardlo7146 Год назад
I wished you mentioned the Pelagians, such an interesting and Druidic/Celtic-inspired heresy.
@Shiranu17
@Shiranu17 Год назад
The Huguenots/Acadians and the French Wars of Religion are an amazingly interesting topic as well... lots of content that often gets overlooked, lots of really amazing people and some truly horrifically awful people.
@Alejojojo6
@Alejojojo6 Год назад
Most Acadians were pious catholics. You had to be a good well behaved catholic to be allowed to move to Acadia or Quebec. Huguenots were forbidden to do so. They had tried to settled in South Carolina/Florida and Rio de Janeiro but were unsuccessful before the laws changed and they were forced to migrate either to the 13 colonies or other European states like the Netherlands or Prusia.
@Shiranu17
@Shiranu17 Год назад
@@Alejojojo6 I'm not sure who told you this, but it's not accurate. My ancestors arrived in Port Royal in the 1680s-1700s; they came from La Rochelle, Louden (Aquitaine) and Rouen (Normandy) primarily, and many had fled to Amsterdam, Liden and Kent before that to flee Catholic persecution. For 150 years they lived in peace in Acadia, making treaties with the Mi'kmaq and other local Algonquin-speaking peoples, until Le Grand Dérangement killed 2/3rds of our people; I have direct grand-parents who died on the ships that were denied entry into Virginia as they headed down to Louisiana and the swamps. ("Fun" fact - in the 1930s Huey Long, renowned P.o.S. of Lousiana, built highways through Acadian ("Cajun" - a slur) lands and forced them to become "Americans" - change our names to English, give up speaking French, adopt Roman Catholicism. Even in America we faced persecution and have almost been completely assimilated at this point.) I can assure you, Huguenots were very much a part of Acadian history - and the fact that their history continues to be so misrepresented and erased is exactly why I would love to see a major channel like this cover it; they already covered the Catholic war on Protestantism & humanism (not linked, just both attacked at the same time) in France, so it would be a logical conclusion to it.
@austincharles967
@austincharles967 Год назад
I'm proud to be Protestant but I also have Catholic friends. Crazy to think we would have been at each other's throats back then.
@thecriticalnous
@thecriticalnous 3 месяца назад
What is there to be “proud” about. Christianity isn’t about pride it’s about humility. Look into the Orthodox Church brother. That is the true apostolic church .
@carlosfilho3402
@carlosfilho3402 Год назад
Thanks Tô This Vídeo.
@radomircita9420
@radomircita9420 Год назад
Intetesting thing is that offspring of Peter Payne, english scholar who brought Wikliffes teachings to Prague, still live here, two families descended from him. Paynové (Payne family) and Engliš (he was called mister English while in Bohenia)
@dr.zoidberg197
@dr.zoidberg197 Год назад
I love this style of animation.
@amitkenan3878
@amitkenan3878 Год назад
If only they had enough money to make it a moving animation
@leonrambach1216
@leonrambach1216 Год назад
I'm from Constance and the council of Constance from 1414-1418 and Jan Hus's execution are a pretty big topic in my cities history. The building(s) where the council tool place is/are still intact and a popular tourist attraction as well as the monastery where Jan Hus was detained during his trial (although it's not a monastery anymore). The council of Constance actually primarily served to end the period of multiple competing popes and ended up with the election of a new, single pope to lead the Catholic church. From what I've learned/heard in local stories, Jan Hus came to Constance only after the Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund and the other council members promised him free passage (and guarantees). But when he arrived he was instead imprisoned, trialed and burnt at the stake. There are still a number of Museums, streets and plazas/areas named after Jan Hus today and you sometimes see a memorial plate/inscription at different places in the old city and surrounding areas.
@g4m3life86
@g4m3life86 Год назад
illuminating!
@davidcunningham2074
@davidcunningham2074 Год назад
fascinating
@silvershadchan4085
@silvershadchan4085 Год назад
@KingsandGenerals could you please make a video about Johannes Gutenberg the inventor of the printing press.
@LyngkotSwer
@LyngkotSwer Год назад
Nice
@rogernull6151
@rogernull6151 Год назад
I think the general belief by most Christians is that the early church was a single, unified entity that morphed into the Roman catholic church & only began to fragment during the Renaissance. But there never really was a single, uniform Christianity.
@dirgniflesuoh7950
@dirgniflesuoh7950 Год назад
Will You bring up the butter theory? The importance of the butter prohibition for Lent.
@Numba003
@Numba003 Год назад
This was fascinating! I very much enjoyed hearing about some of these early movements within and outside of Complication. I would be very interested to hear more about Christianity's early spread eastward into Persia, India, China, etc. too if you guys ever get the chance. Regardless, thank you very much for another excellent episode! God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
@Hangfire1
@Hangfire1 Год назад
The problem with discussing religon, in particular, is that all the sources are biased in their own way, to a greater or lesser extent. The key is to try to interpret them with an open mind. Though doing this does have the tendency for you to be considered heretical as this will likely be contrary to the accepted doctrine. Heresy tends is condemned because of its social & political ramifications. Something which is explicitly mentioned in this video. One thing I love about the guys at Kings & Generals is that they do try to be as unbiased as possible. Keep it up!
@ramdallytimothee2242
@ramdallytimothee2242 Год назад
Currently viewing
@Jon_the_Apostate
@Jon_the_Apostate Год назад
Please make more videos on the history of Christianity and other major religions.
@firestorm1088
@firestorm1088 Год назад
Once again we see how ideas can never truly be killed.
@TheHiYaku
@TheHiYaku Год назад
Man! It's amazing how shallow and terrible spiritual illumination was throughout these centuries. Sad also to know that some have survived till this day. But this was an awesome presentation!! As a Christian and a "touch and go" student of church history, I am eternally grateful for this!!
@sonnymp1337
@sonnymp1337 Год назад
Please more economics history and social development videos
@Argacyan
@Argacyan Год назад
I've had some interest in non-czech hussitism for a while now as it's often discussed in terms retroactively projecting nationalism onto the topic, while it would've absolutely made sense that much like other forms of protestantism, there would've been non-czech Hussites given time & area. Since this has also been mentioned in this video, what is some good literature going into non-czech local Bohemian perspectives on Hussitism?
@mango2005
@mango2005 Год назад
It should be noted that even within Catholicism - pre Ultramontanism - monarchs had a greater role on issues like appointing bishops than now. That might have made the Establishment of national Protestant churches seem less of a change than it seems now.
@LarsLiveLaughLove
@LarsLiveLaughLove 6 месяцев назад
Part of one of these movements. Group has over 1million adherents in the USA, mostly northern Europe and missionary enclaves in 2 continents
@aname4me
@aname4me Год назад
I'm looking forward to more on the Protestant Movements. I would like to hear how the Puritans shaped the North American beliefs of today.
@sayuas4293
@sayuas4293 Год назад
I like how they were called heretics just for being against church corruption and living in an ascetic way, helping people
@Chestyfriend
@Chestyfriend Год назад
Even better is that they eventually just became the same as the thing they fought against.
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 Год назад
​@@Chestyfriend if Luther saw what American protestantism because he'd probably just shut up and pay his indulgences.
@remilenoir1271
@remilenoir1271 Год назад
Nope you're wrong. Plenty of monastic orders who worked against Church corruption and lived in ascetic conditions were never deemed heretical. Being against corruption and for asceticism isn't and was never ground for being schismatic, as evident from the plethora of saints who held these convictions.
@sayuas4293
@sayuas4293 Год назад
@@remilenoir1271 in some places yeah and others no, but what is certain is that catholics murdered hundreds of thousands of people for being part of movements that resulted from catholic corruption. What jesus would've wanted right?
@remilenoir1271
@remilenoir1271 Год назад
@Sayuas The catholic Church has never, ever, in History, murdered hundreds of thousands of people or ordered such a thing to happen. So unless you have something to back up that claim there is no need to go any further with that conversation. What Jesus would've wanted doesn't really matter. Mankind is still mankind, with all its sin, contradictions and pettiness. As terrible as it is you can't except people not to indulge in violence on a political level just because the Bible said so. Especially when the issues at hand are politic issues as much, if not more, as they are religious (which was the case for cathars, hugenots, and protestants). Jesus coming didn't cure the world of sin, it only allowed those willing to not indulge in sin to be able to reconcile with God and enter paradise.
@JustaRobot
@JustaRobot Год назад
As a Protestant myself and raised by German parents I believe in the one way connection to gos above and our lord Jesus the Catholic ways we’re evil and to pay your way to god is inconceivable. To this day I am a loyal follower of the Lutheran faith and will remain to the day I die.
@miketacos9034
@miketacos9034 Год назад
How I had no idea these popular uprisings and sentiments stretched back so far!
@craigkdillon
@craigkdillon Год назад
I wonder what prior sects influenced the Shakers and Quakers? The Quakers devotion to all people being equal is a foundational principle of the United States. David Hackett Fischer describes it well in his book - The Seeds Of Albion. One of the best history books I have ever read (and I read many.)
@dougdimmedome5552
@dougdimmedome5552 Год назад
I am slowly finding the absolute disastrous state of the world along with the endless political revolution that scarred the 16th and 17th century eerily similar to our modern conditions and cannot get enough history about this late medieval/early modern period these days, probably out of need to cope with all that’s going wrong these days. To be honest it is both disturbing but also strangely hopeful to see all this horrific endless violence actually resulting in real political change and not just utter apocalypse, maybe there is really hope in all this decay.
@Leo-ud2iz
@Leo-ud2iz Год назад
Ótimo!!!
@marcus4532
@marcus4532 Год назад
The Protestant reformation could be a fun oversimplified video
@lerneanlion
@lerneanlion Год назад
I am sorry but I needed to ask this. Will the proto-Protestant movements be featured in the video about alternate history on the "other" channel as well? I think the reactions of the Cathars and the Waldesians to the Sack of Rome by the "nomadic invaders who are the exception to all rules" are important here. Also, how much chance these proto-Protestant movements have the chances of accomplishing their endgames?
@futureisyours3016
@futureisyours3016 Год назад
Wow!!! Do they have an endgame agenda??? Talk about it!!!!
@lerneanlion
@lerneanlion Год назад
@@futureisyours3016 If I remembered correctly, their main goals most likely might be reforming the Church from within or break away from it. I really do not know because I forgot about it already. I am sorry.
@futureisyours3016
@futureisyours3016 Год назад
@@lerneanlion well, I'll give some stuff to read on. Lead u a bit down the rabbit hole. Albert Pike, Freemasonry,(free bespoke)religion, Zelensky, rise of Turkey, open society, free immigrants in Europe, Italy facing immigrants. Failure of Crusades, Shriners. In one word...... I.L.M
@thekingshussar1808
@thekingshussar1808 Год назад
Shoutout to the Reformers who doctored the Church from the inside: The badass St Catherine of Siena St Francis of Asissi (Franciscans were interestingly the successful variant of Waldensians) St Bonaventure Etc Also, traditional Franciscans actually still survived called Capuchins and were not deemed as heretics thanks to the defense of St Bonaventure.
@alexanderwaite9403
@alexanderwaite9403 Год назад
You are doing excellent work. Try not to beat yourself up about those who don't want to view evidence about the h people's socialism. You have opened my eyes about Germany from the 1900s to 1945.
@civilengineer3349
@civilengineer3349 Год назад
Albigensian Crusade and Hussite Wars are the most infamous
@christopherseivard8925
@christopherseivard8925 Год назад
Thanks so much. I am a stroke survivor. ( I lived) my Father is a Lutheran Minister. Despite having ibeen well trained, it is great to review. Everything I remember, helps my confidence. SIN BOLDLY!( Luther)
@scottnunnemaker5209
@scottnunnemaker5209 Год назад
I hope you go much much much further back too
@1108penguin
@1108penguin Год назад
Kings and Generals is eventually going to have to make a video called "What is Christianity?" for people who were raised so secular that they legitimately don't know.
@andrzejstefangrosbart6607
@andrzejstefangrosbart6607 Год назад
@kingsandgenerals, thank You for that episode and all the good work! At the same time, allow me to utter two points of criticism: 1) You have called all the heresies ,early protestant'; yet a) these are very different groups and b) it is very difficult to call anything ,pre-protestant' before Wiclyffe, the Peasants Revolt in England or Jan Hus. 2) the heretic groups are here - as traditonally - portrayed as ascetic holy men and victims of the Catholic Church. Well, it is not that simple; let us take the Cathars in the south of France: they have been well known for their violent action against catholic clergy and monasteries (one of the reasons, why the crusades against them happened). On another level they are said to have been huge fans of abortion (including forced abortions) and suicides (yes ... Including forcing their believers to commit suicide sometimes) , which lay in their doctrin (in short: everything that is of this world is evil and must be destroyed).
@eliwray3300
@eliwray3300 Год назад
Great video, but I would dig a little deeper on the so called "cathars". Recent scholarship suggests they were not gnostic dualists with a old eastern tradition. They were more likely just seen as backward and in the way of a quickly changing papacy. They were certainly heretical by a Catholic standard but not in the way the are portrayed. I recommend "The Rest is History Podcast" episodes on the "Cathars".
@herreramissions6283
@herreramissions6283 Год назад
I've always been a bit confused about exactly how Buddhism got to Japan. It seems like everything about Japan does really well on RU-vid so maybe you guys would be interested in covering that
@caniblmolstr4503
@caniblmolstr4503 Год назад
Monks from India... Is your answer
@sic7501
@sic7501 Год назад
@@caniblmolstr4503 nah...
@rodrickhatton8636
@rodrickhatton8636 Год назад
What program do you guys use for these videos?!
@KingsandGenerals
@KingsandGenerals Год назад
After Effects
@RandomCitizen369
@RandomCitizen369 Год назад
It would be cool if you would do a video on Freemasonry in the middle ages and its effects on the politics and history of the time
@henninghesse9910
@henninghesse9910 Год назад
There is non in the middleages, so it´s hard to potray any. There are only freemasons claiming to origin in , for example "Knights templar", but free maisonry is a modern phenomenom starting in the 17th cent.
@maddogbasil
@maddogbasil Год назад
Nice 👌 Great video Now can we see the moment when eastern religions met abrahamic religions.
@tommy-er6hh
@tommy-er6hh Год назад
That happened centuries earlier, there were Buddhist and Hindu missionaries in the Roman Empire, there were also Jews in Persia, south India and even into China! There was the Christian Assyrian Church of the East from Persia into India and into China, even evidence of Japan by 800s. Folks got around!
@lovelynightmare1485
@lovelynightmare1485 Год назад
Dang, I was hoping for an appearance by Savonarola.
@keithprice4711
@keithprice4711 Год назад
That dude was crazy, certainly made Florence an interesting place to be at the time
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