Earthling Ed: The End of Veganism? 

Listen to the full episode with Ed here - plnt.news/pod120

Being a vegan was the furthest thing from my mind until RU-vid recommended Plant Chompers to me. Those videos convinced me that my health depended on reducing animal foods and increasing plant foods. At some point, RU-vid recommended Earthling Ed. Every college student Ed debated brought up all the same objections that I had used in the past to dismiss veganism. I kept saying after each of these arguments, "Now, what are you going to say at that, Ed?" His methodical deconstruction of each of these, hearing his arguments over and over again with different students, finally convinced me to go vegan.

This is the BEGINNING of Veganism!

Ed is such a great spokesman, never gets flustered, never fails to produce a logical argument. No wonder Piers Morgan won't debate him.

Went vegan back in 2006 and celebrating my 19th anniversary this month. Very educational video, thank you.

We are only getting started. We will create a more humane and healthy world❤

I never stop learning from Ed! His Ted talk is why I went vegan overnight at 49! I’ll have 5 years in may

Never stop speaking up for the animals.

Great show this is the beginning of veganism. Well done Ed, can’t wait to read your new book. I’m 65 whole food plant based for 4 years and feel amazing. Mentally, physically, feeling a sense of worth towards all animals and the planet. ❤

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" ❤

Vegan dietitian here and my biggest daily struggle is having to deal with the misinformation and pseudoscience on social media! It truly drives me crazy! There’s always a new fad out there that people jump onto. Currently I’m constantly seeing the natural fallacy people who are all about eating meat and butter and beef tallow and ugh. Just exhausting truly.

I could listen to Ed forever

There are more vegans now than at any time in the past!

All this talk about plant based alternatives, just shows me how far things have come, its a good sign . I remember back on 1982 , there was literally no food labled vegan in the super markets and when i was introduced to my local mp that i was vegan , he responded , you spund like you come from another planet , ha ha. But really vegan ideal is having an effect now , we are being taken seriously, thats why there is this push back now. What ever is thrown at us , will fall by the wayside , go go go.

I agree with most people we are just beginning ❤

every vegan is an advocate and we all have to be on the ready! thanks to you both pbn and ed 👏🏽👏🏽

Love how Ed has focused on university students where he can actually make real change ❤❤❤

I became an ethical vegan on 2023/12/17. I added one more to the cause.

I really appreciated listening to two compassionate intelligent people discussing this topic. Great questions and great responses. Lots of info to chew on and think about. Thank you to both of you!

Number of plant based alternatives still massive in comparison to where we were at 10 years ago. I still eat too many but wfpb is the way to go. Hopefully us plant eaters move to wfpb

One of the challenges that veganism faces is that it needs to do more to promote itself through advertising and marketing. One of the essential ways the animal agriculture industry maintains its dominance is through commercials and marketing campaigns that litter our landscape.

I am so glad that both you and Joey have your own styles. Joey Carbstrong is very effective and won me over and now that I'm watching you I see the other side of it and I believe both of you can reach both sets of people. Some people need to hear the truth a little more forcefully like Joey's method and there's some people who like the more softer approach that you give. You both are very well versed gentleman in your knowledge and I just want to say Thank you very much.

My family dr told me,‘what ever you’re doing, keep doing it!’ Vegan since 2001. I did fall off a couple of yrs during college and became sick more often with acne too. I haven’t been sick since 2015, during the pandemic I ran out of deodorant and realized I have no BO. Even after training! So, I stopped using even the natural ones. I asked around to sniff test me and I was clean smelling without deodorant! My skin is clear too I rarely break out. I wish I’d started even younger, I had terrible periods and I’m sure it was dairy related as I was vegetarian before and eat far too many dairy products. I never had beyond burger, I no longer buy packaged foods either. Your taste buds change. I also at the same weight without dieting. I eat full plates too. I cannot imagine ever eating dead flesh, you are what you eat!

Such a great interview! 👌 Only wish it was longer😏 I look forward to readign Ed's book when it finally is released end of February (Canada)😊

"All the flowers of all the tomorrows are in the seeds of today..." ☮🕊💚🌱

We have a choice: Accept things the way they are or accept responsibility for changing them. A huge hurdle for humanity! Peace for humanity begins on our dinner plate

What made me "Go" Vegan, was logic. I'm actually embarrassed it me took so long to realise the harm I was doing to animals due to my own ignorance.

veganism isn't falling. In my opinion, it's about to grow, 2019 a lot of grifters jumped on the veganism bandwagon and them left once they got found out or ran to the next fad! in the next 10 years, it will be the norm!

What an interesting chat. I feel like you guys hit many of the pain points vegans have while trying to change the world. Time to buy that book 📖

I’ve been living a vegan lifestyle for 20 years now. I’m getting really tired of the word vegan being equated with a silly diet. A big part of the problem is that people seemingly don’t understand what vegan means or what the reasoning for adopting a vegan lifestyle and then they end up arguing against something they’d actually prefer. Ie. less animal cruelty, less water pollution, less air pollution, less disease and suffering. These are things everyone wants but they end up ridiculing the idea and fighting against it. Vegan is not a diet.

The thing that changed me to eat more plant food wasn't after seeing Earthlings etc it was because after watching Seaspsiracy and Twin experiment they were able to connect my food to human slavery. As a black person this hits more than anything. For me connecting my food to human issues was the way it was going to get me. Like when I found out about Blood diamonds I immediately am repulsed if people show off diamond engagement rings. I think for some who grew up in certain places we are comfortable killing our own animals and we don't overfish or overconsume it is very hard to switch but when you connect our food to human suffering? then yes you got me! I don't even eat avocados as much due to the war with them. May be a different angle for people to eat less meat. This is why I consider myself plant-based and not vegan as I am concerned with human life over animals and thats just how my brain works.

Advertising is the biggest weapon animal users have, and backed up by media and government. It is so big and powerful that we should not be as successful as we are, even though relatively small. But we are only because we are truth in every important way for this world as well as morally better. In fact with that last paragraph we should be doing even better, and we certainly would if all vegans spoke out more.

I think people also need to be taught what conpassion feels like. Around the world many animals are slaughtered on the streets and children grow up learning to slaughter animals so they have forgotten compassion. If a child sees death the very first time ot affects them but on there second time they grow accustomed to it and dont see any cruelty.

great discussion guys thanks 😊

Really good interview! Thanks for posting. Going to have to get Ed's book.

Got to meet this eloquent young man a couple of week's ago in Bristol, UK. He's a wonderful advocate; measured, informed, passionate and overwhelmingly convincing. Go Ed! Keep changing the world

Feeding 8 billion people is not easy even in a best case scenario. Nonetheless feeding 80 billion land animals is 100 times harder.

'truth is what you get other people to believe' - tommy smothers❣

Wow, what a great discussion between two animal lovers trying to make the world a better place

I pray for Ed’s strength! Hoping that his presentations and books increase peoples’ awareness- he’s such a light in the world of humanities’ current dark narratives. 🌟

To have a debate with a person defending the exploitation of animals is a huge exercise in patience, poise, and intestinal fortitude.

I also think de-politicizing veganism is necessary in some ways too. The left tends to be more accepting of veganism, but I've met plenty of liberals who hate on vegans just as much as conservatives. However, I live and have lived my entire life in more conservative areas and I dont think these people are evil or bad. Many are moderate and not as extreme as the left likes to think and vice versa. Media divides us and polarizes us more than anything i think because when you have actual conversations with people, we have more in common than we often think, we just have different perspectives on an issue but more often then not we are trying to solve the same problem or just have different takes on an issue. And people get defensive when it comes to their beliefs and lifestyles and i have found the best way is to approach the issue of veganism with compassion and understanding and meet them where they're at. I think if more moderates & right leaning people are exposed to a vegan or plant based lifestyle they'll be more open to exploring it and respecting it when they see people thriving on the lifestyle. I think the extremes on both political parties are not good and neither are too friendly towards vegans. I have been vegan for 6 years, i am married to a non vegan who is open to the lifestyle since i have shared with her my recipes and explained how the lifestyle isnt as difficult as people make it out to be. My family is conservative to moderate and i always happily share my food with them during holidays, they have become quite accomodating too and make certain shared dishes vegan and they have been surprised how its not as inconvenient as they believed and they usually enjoy the meals i prepare. I hope that more people will go vegan regardless of political affiliation and it will become more widely accepted and not just considered a "woke" thing.

I’ve been vegan over 4 years. I’ve never had an impostorable burger. I’ll have a veggi burger tho! Fake cheese is wack. But cashew yogurt and plant based cultured cheeses are delicious.. good luck!! Whole Foods for the win!!

The next era of veganism needs all of these to make any progress: -engaging SMART people using RESPECTABLE tactics. no harassing strangers, no slogans, no trying to appeal to the most number of people by watering down the intellectual integrity of the philosophy. no trying to recruit easily manipulated people because it’s easier than recruiting useful, intelligent people -good ethic frameworks. no utilitarianism, no reducing suffering, no cultural relativism. -no pseudoscience, no dubious psychology/sociology claims saying direct action is the best most efficient strategy. - NEW creative methods. no more trying to copy Joey Carbstrong and doing it worse, no more trying to copy Ed and doing it work. bringing YOUR personality and skills into the equation. -NO preaching to the choir. We should be reaching outsiders, -Leading by positive example. Live a happy, fulfilling life. Be a charismatic leader. Be an inspiration.

I could listen to Ed for hours, he is so interesting and I always seem to learn something new from him. Thanks PBN

Eloquent-Earthling Ed. You inspire me and my teams to do even more as academic clinician-scientists. Yet another scientific article is in the works as reaching health professionals, public health authorities, and politicians is another important way of reaching the public. Thank you for all that you do. Professor-E

Great interview. Catchy title!

Plants saved me. Meat, dairy and eggs destroyed me. I suffered from metabolic syndrome (obesity, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and high blood sugar). I went whole food plant based no sugar oil or salt and I lost 65 pounds, all my conditions greatly improved, my gums stopped bleeding, and erections and energy returned. I used to have an appetite that was never satisfied; whole foods cured it. I no longer use a sleep apnea machine. Finally, the food is cheap-Beans, lentils, rice, potatoes and seasonal apples. Also, I save money by not having to buy pills or visit the Doctor. I am thankful to all the vegans who suffered attacks to reveal the truth to me.

Fabulous.

In Sweden they do not listen to Piers Morgan 😊

Great discussion!

This man is killing it. Veganism has a bright future

I know many will disagree but I don't think its all or nothing. If 90% ate a 90% plant based we'd go a long way. I think the jury is still out on using animals in regenerative agriculture.

I’ve talked with many ranchers on discord farming forums…. They don’t spray their pastures with pesticides or avinicides or rodenticides … but strawberry growers do

Excellent information. I’m in the US and here waiting for my book to arrive with bated heart.

I appreciate Ed so much because I’ve very much become that mean vegan that goes off in people. 😂 There are times when I just send the facts but sometimes when they troll it sets me off. But totally right that we should definitely treat them how we would have wanted to be treated. 💗

Excellent exchange!

Veganism will go through phrases of ups and downs. Just like any movement!

I'm not sure veganism is a particularly successful project if by that we mean the number of people who are "vegans", which remains stubbornly very low. But the broader debate has been gaining ground - I believe that the core idea that we should have moral concern for other sentient species has taken solid root. It is no longer odd to think this and significant progress has been made both in general philosophical terms as well as hard legislative reform. However, if current strategies are failing to encourage general agreement with veganism and doing little to change public attitudes, a new strategy is needed. The way I see it, far too much weight is being placed on the tactic of complete individual conversion to veganism. Too often, success is measured by the number of people becoming vegan, yet so far at least very few people do this and the vast majority reject the idea out of hand. Worse, many vegans eventully abandon their veganism. My suggestion then is to focus instead on encouraging a more positive community attitude to veganism. That is, the aim of vegan advocacy should not be converting people to veganism (with often doubtful results) but rather promoting a more positive public attitude to how we regard and treat other animals. How this could be done is open to debate, but I would take the tack of providing an educative and guiding role more than anything else. For example, one could conduct street advocacy where people can learn more, ask questions and even contribute their own perspectives without being judged. I think Ed does a very good job of this klind of advocacy.

"Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made for vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole structure of the human body shows that man should not be a non-vegetarian. Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute vegetarians. If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian. Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of the intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers, lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a digested food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of digestion has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal’s meat. It is already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the longest intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed, and much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out. If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - have emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that is a secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep meditation your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to be unloaded; and a non-vegetarian’s body is very loaded. Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly. If somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you and kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill a lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness - all these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish, agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the body glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried in your body. That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a specific purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal’s body. You are on a higher plane than the animal’s consciousness, and when you eat the animal’s meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the lower plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness and your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises. One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nuts, vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat more of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you a satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are satiated. In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a food. Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the body need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the controller. The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about the stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a specific purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge, that is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which food is not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the master, and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will be confused. Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can be tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to eat, you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple if the nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the smell, is decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious or not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemicals which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body. Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince buffaloes to eat ice cream. Try! A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body needs. The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you eat the meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then you will have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts. When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violent, a certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The energy moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These are the two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the animal kingdom. When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to the teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not always profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot behave like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too much for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do? You suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth - you go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger. I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natural - blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw of a person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace, they lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People who have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when you touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming angry. There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts feeling angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to be released. If you don’t release them the body will remain heavy."

I'm Vegan for 12yrs & I don't agree with this woke culture, but it has nothing to do with being against animal abuse.

Thank you for everything you do 💚

I think the maturation of veganism is very important now. This means that some meat and dairy alternative producers have reduced their product lines because the most successful have come to the fore. Other companies have also disappeared because that same maturation means that more people are going for whole plant foods, as you mentioned.

2016-2019 was a golden period, yes. As to what happened during the second half of 2019, I would very much be interested to learn.

People will listen to whatever supports what they want to hear.

Nice conversation guys great stuff.🌱🌅🍀

I think very true... even though there was one particular event for me, sitting and watching Dominion, there were also a number of other catalysts that brought me to that point.

The slowness at which veganism grows and spreads is sometimes depressing. If only it could go faster so more animals would avoid suffering & torture

That was really wonderful! Thanks to both.

Vegan diet is actually cheaper. Peanut Butter, Wheat, Corn are basically the cheapest food. The largest expense is tofu and peanut butter powder which is still cheaper than meats/dairy.

I think my goal lately is pretty much eat and cook vegan every day, but to eat some fish. It's because of my health and I really don't do well with all or nothing thinking. I'm also pretty poor and have a history of orthorexia. I used to be vegetarian, was pescatarian, and want to go back

For anyone complaining of GI issues with plant-based, I’m writing this for YOU. One word: probiotics. When you start subbing out animal flesh, milk, eggs etc with fiber, your gut micro biome simply doesn’t have the right bacteria to eat all the gas that the fermentable starch is creating. This can be really uncomfortable. Eating a probiotic-rich food adds those bugs back into circulation. So now you have the good bacteria, and their favorite food source: FIBER! I make my own soy yogurt (it’s soooo easy with an instant pot, and so cheap). I found an easy recipe here on YT. I eat it alone, with fruit, between meals. I add it to chia puddings, homemade ice cream, and popsicles. Anyway, hope this helps anyone who sees it. Peace!

I love We The Free’s coaching approach the 3minute movie challenges have been great, also the free online training (I’m a bit biased of course:). I think the pandemic really took a toll but I also think it was a wake up call. Seeing a lot of new faces in Toronto joining us. 👊🌱

Another wonderful interview Ed. As a vegan activist for fourteen years, what I find is people do not understand that all meat is processed and unnatural, for the definition of the word processed refers to anything that is changed from its own original natural state. The original natural state of an animal is a living state. Meat changes and alters the natural physical state of an animal’s natural life, natural purpose, and appearance, from a state of being alive and active, to a state of being lifeless, butchered, mutilated, desecrated, dismembered, and dead. No matter where you look in nature, you will never be able to find meat growing from the Earth’s ground, soil, sand, or from any tree, seed, bush, or natural waterway and landscape. A fish swimming in its natural habitat is a natural living creation of God, a fish on a plate ready to be eaten, is an unnatural invention made by a human being. Hamburgers, roasts, bacon, ham, venison, hotdogs, veal, chicken, turkey, roasts, steaks and all other meats and animal products are literally nothing more than the interference, intrusion, invasion, and imposition, of nature by human beings. God created natural living beings; humans invented unnatural, processed, meat. Malachi 3:18, “See, and know, the distinction between those who serve God and those who do not.” A plant-based diet is natural, so a plant-based diet serves God, Meat is unnatural, so meat does not serve God.

good stuff!

Simply #govegan , people.... 💚

It makes me incredibly upset that the vegan movement has been roped in with woke left wing ideology. I’m a Catholic, conservative, vegan of 13 years. When I made the decision to come back to the church in 2022, I lost left wing friends. They said I can’t be a vegan republican because those two things don’t mix. Well, maybe that’s the problem? The extreme polarization of this issue, as well as the perpetuation of left/right wing stereotypes, is something I’m actively trying to heal. To me it’s silly that you have to be all right or all left. I’m an individual person. I can both disagree with the way democrats run the country while also not wanting to harm animals through my diet. It’s not all or nothing. I pray that we can heal this acute division between both sides and start to actually have conversations that allow us to discover the real objective truth of issues. Truth is what lead me to both veganism and the Catholic Church. They can and should be able to co exist. Imo, we are so out of balance. The sooner we stop name calling and finger pointing and start implementing methods of communication like Ed has laid out in his book, the better we will be at finding common ground and in doing so, achieving peace.

im vegan for over then 10 years and im happy af

The peak definitely was during 2016-2019 what with the plant based alternatives coming into the market. However, whilst these products served a purpose they are not the answer long term and many are coming to realise this. The next few years will be an interesting period for company’s like Beyond meats.

It is expected that Veganism will soon have a HUGE cultural boom. It's incredible to witness it! ☺

I’ve been eating Tofurky for over 20 years, and other processed vegan foods, with moderation and am pretty much healthy. Except for some joint pain I thought it was due to old age and lack of exercise but it’s actually due to mold. All my blood panels have been perfect since becoming vegan.

I love it you are the absolute Don, Ed Earthling

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As far as I am concerned 1980-2000 was the ‘’golden era’’ for Veganism, that was a time when the movement was grassroots networking and collective activism, we were strong and built what has come since. These days I see ‘celebrity’ RU-vid activity/influencers taking over direct real life social activism, we are not connected in real life as we used to be, and I think that is weaker for the movement. ✊🏽🌻🌎

I’ve never heard a good vegan argument. Essentially this is the best argument they have “you kill beings but you are also a being so do you justify killing people? No? Well there you go, I win.” 😂😂😂😂

Shipping industry emissions are not regulated.

It getting to the point where there will never be a compromise so it just noise on repeat over and over meat vs veggies - do both

I always wonder what these people that have spoken to Ed during his campaigns on college campus or on the street have done post-conversation. Has the conversation and replay of it on RU-vid caused any changes? Have they dug in their feet more or softened their views and made a change in their life?

Veganism will not end it will remain a choice for some people.

People are becoming more informed and less tolerant of animal cruelty.

#VeganForLife ❤ ✌️

Good interview

I was brought up eating meat but told my grandmother (who raised me) that when I grew up I wouldn’t eat meat. She had insisted that I must learn to cook it but after seeing her gutting rabbits and ducks and hens for years ( and being expected to pluck chickens myself) I decided I simply couldn’t do it. I didn’t have much choice about being a vegetarian as a child in the 1960s and early 1970s but when I grew up I did become a vegetarian and it was bloody hard work in those days but I stuck to it for 27 years. Then I became a vegan 18 years ago and I’ve no intention of going back to my childhood menu thank you. And as for health I was a horribly sickly kid, plagued with colds, anaemia and chilblains so my meat stuffed diet didn’t have a positive effect on me! In later years after I became a vegetarian and then a vegan I had the stamina of an ox and could work 70 to 100 hours a week (that’s whole days followed by waking nights) as a care worker whilst my colleagues less than half my age (none of them vegetarians or vegans) were on the point of collapse after doing one extra shift a week. So I don’t think my diet has exactly done me any harm but then it isn’t for my benefit that I stopped eating meat. It’s for the benefit of non human species. I’m well aware that most people don’t really care that much about animals or would find it difficult to become vegan or vegetarian but I would just say to you ‘okay carry on. But can you not just cut down a bit or insist on seeing how the animals are reared and killed and then call for higher welfare standards where it’s necessary? And in intensive farming it is necessary. Only a sadist and a moron could disagree.

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14:21 The truth is often unpleasant or difficult. If an idea feels uncomfortable or unsatisfying, it can still be truth.

I don’t love the word “argument”. Why does it always have to be an “argument”? Well, it doesn’t…that’s why we have (and love) Ed.💯 I tend (or try) and avoid these “arguments” or discussions. Letting people do or say whatever they’d like to get off their chest (sometimes it’s A LOT) about MY choices for ME. I need to pick up Ed’s book, for what I assume is some acceptable and intelligent “ammo” when needed. Awesome stuff!☮️&💟

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I would say 2014 to 2019 was the golden years of veganism. Interest in veganism has really deteriorated since then.

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