EastEnders - Martin tells Pauline that Mark's died (15th April 2004) 

@@jd49631 well no, they were two very different people. But Mark was the closest thing to Arthur that Martin had in his life after Arthur's death.

Absolutely

Yes but she gave a baby away, killed Pauline, stole £30,000 off Dot.. what can I say ?????

@@flight101 she did the right thing giving the kid away, good for her.

@@flight101she didn’t kill Pauline. Pauline’s second husband did, and she gave Rebecca up for adoption. They never Intended to get her back only her adoptive parents died. Her guardian was too old to mind her. Yes she did try to take Rebecca at one point but that was when she was really young

Sorry to hear that x

theyb sjould of never have killed mark off

But the good news is, this is just acting and I'll bet they were trying not to laugh whilst filming this, Todd Carty peering around the door making funny faces. Let's do that take again, make it look more realistic, more tears luvvie, let's see the pain in your eye's... That's tv...

No matter how prepared you might be for it, it's always a shocker when "the call" comes. I can empathise with you because the call announcing the passing of my mother-in-law came at 2:34 a.m.

Dreaded that call 2 first with my dad had 2 rush home from work then with my mum

it does happen though-I've been in house over 15 year gaps and they look the same.

DOT hasn't changed either. Not really. Just more wrinkly

The kitchen looked different when Bianca ,Carol,Dan ,Sonia ,Billy and Alan lived there . When did Carol leave the square though

She had her hallway and living room redecorated in 2009 and little that is not really interesting but she had changed her kitchen curtains in 2014

My grandma recently moved into a care home and she has lived in her house since 1964. Some rooms have all of the same furniture she bought the year before but most are as they were in the 80s and early 90s

Totally. Will it ever be the same, l now watch out of habit. Such a pity.

I’m sorry to hear that

And that's what really happens, so sad 😢

The aids epic started in 1981.

@Champion Tonto the Wonder Horse Covid-19 hasn't alienated whole groups of society so it's not had the same thought changing impact that aids had

@@leeriches8841 covid HAS alienated people though, if you're infected you have to be quarantined. What is that if not alienation? Also, the Chinese have been getting alienated more since this started so again, it has.

HIV and AIDS are not the same thing. HIV (what Mark had) is now a very, very manageable disease and quality of life has greatly improved to the point that people with HIV now can get there Virus load so low they are ‘undetectable’ and they can’t even transmit the disease via sex. If anything a new HIV storyline should be show to break down the old stigma’s and show people that you can now have a long, full life. In 2019 98% of people receiving HIV medication had an undetectable virus load.

@@blahblaahh3004 people who catch COVID-19 are being isolated not alienated, that’s two very different things. Your response is ignorant and just idiotic to be honest.

What was left for his character to do?

After he was diagnosed with HIV, Mark was very private about his health. Why do you think it took him several years to finally tell everyone in the pub? He didn’t want his family to worry.

He’s a stage actor , Martin was very young when mark left. He wasn’t even goinh to tell Pauline . He only told 3 people he was dying . Not even Ian

The character was, that's how the script writer's developed him, Todd Carty is a very well spoke man in real life and absolutely nothing like the character he portrayed. Which was actually just An older version of Tucker Jenkins whom he played in Grange Hill, and later Tuckers Luck, the wise crackin, cheeky, Jack the lad, good hearted, helpful, leather jacket wearing, motorbike mad character

Sonia is a thief and liar.. she gave a baby away, she hit pauline, stole Dots money... smh

Are you a bit special? You think a script makes an actor decent or garbage?

I Am Othien I think you’re special if you can’t understand a script can ruin an actors character

I remember people hating on the new Martin when he first came, saying he's not the "real" Martin 😂

@@rachelmilligan95 - What else has Alexandrou done to suggest he was a good actor?

How do you mean? Mark, Arthur, Pauline are all dead and his sister Michelle keeps buggering off the other side of the world. Most people would be upset with that

I agree

Its not real 😂

@@DG-EditsYT Noooo really?!? lol yeah I got that. Doesn't mean you can't criticize the direction a soap went in.

@@iluvlafferty you are talking like it's a real plot, when all eastenders ever do is recycle storylines narratives such as: Someone is cheating, lying or dying, or a criminal, or sometimes a marriage or similar, maybe the odd fight.. pathetic soap had its time decades ago

@@DG-EditsYT I haven't watched it in years. I know full well it stated being crap when Ross Kemp first left. Also what's wrong with saying I don't like a recast? I liked the original Martin Fowler actor, no big deal.

@@iluvlafferty you are playing it down, in your other comments you are going on like its detailed real life its not a mere dislike of re-casting actors

She's good

Yeah I'll be uploading that in a bit and thanks for enjoying the video :)

Lori Ann White bex

Lou (Pauline's mother). She set the right example of how to be in life.

Dan Wilson Bull! That mean- spirited spiteful venomous old cow was hated by everyone except Pauline, Pete Dot and that other old lady with pug dog. Ethel.

@@loriannwhite8384 I think that's because she was the most honest, and people didn't like that. She lived her life 'to the book' and as a result perhaps looked down on others a little too much, but she herself was a good, sincere woman. Mind you, seeing as your question was about the Fowlers and Lou was a Beale, I don't think I've answered it anyway!

Dan Wilson Good save, lol. Still can’t stand anyone in the Beale/Fowler family line. Outside of Mark.

Her house was on a different part of the square and it was smaller.

Martin was a n*b head in this era (saying that he's worse today) lol 😀

@HighGrade A - They did know he was HIV positive.

A right attitude problem and so ungrateful

He's not

Why you crying he ain't you're brother. Charming Martin

The pre-2007 Martin was awful and one of the most unlikeable people to exist.

Thank you!

Max is just a slimy piece of work

@@kevinprior3549 truue , hate him

I can't take James Bye seriously as Martin. He plays him completely different to how the original James did, looks nothing like him, and is very boring to watch. Plus, I hate that the writers destroyed Martin and Sonia when James Alexandrou didn't return.

@@jaredporikos2197 he isnt that bad

@@jahmeilwellington6681 i know

Don’t you mean SHE has the difficult task of telling HIM Marks dead and HE has a pop at HER? Such a dreadful circumstance for any family.

That green wallpaper has been around since at least 1994.

I'd say she looks too thin these days and way too needy

Was just thinking that 🤣🤣🤣

Duh! 🙄

@Dominic Wileman Watch Dad's Army, she's even younger then. She played Private Joe Walker's on/off girlfriend, Shirley.

Pauline (Wendy Richards) was stunning in her day. She played Ms Brahms in Are You Being Served?

Pauline was a knockout , when she played in "Are you being served" !

U are 34 now then

@@Jonesy-Yt yes

Rubbish, EE is still as excellent as ever. Maybe you're just not a proper fan.

I hardly watch EastEnders now. Not since the conclusion of the Lucy Beale murder storyline.

Stench Robinson and what was the last year of classic EastEnders to you?

I heard about Kush and that he slept with Stacey and baby Arthur. Max Branning's revenge on Albert Square. Abi Branning's affair with Steven Wicks. Abi Branning lying to Ben Mitchell about being pregnant with his child. Need I say more?

Sunny Grover Pauline was an awful character. A narrow-minded, sour old witch. She didn't start off like that - she was quite likable at the beginning, but she became more and more sour as the years went by.

Because that would have been a lie and wouldn’t have been any easier to accept. Mark didn’t ‘essentially’ have AIDS - he was HIV positive and developed cancer as a result. Don’t be so ignorant regarding AIDS and HIV.

He wasn't spiteful but he was an idiot.

He was just in a bad state of mind

Which is understandable

@Euro-African: In the beginning, Mark was a teenage brat too and into trouble and glue sniffing and stuff. The actor playing him though [David Scarborough ] committed suicide in 1986 by jumping off Beachy Head and his character was re-cast using Todd Carty, who had previously been known as Tucker Jenkins in the BBC Children's series, Grange Hill. He made his debut in 1987 and became part of the soaps first storyline involving HIV and AIDS which was controversial at the time, also, Mark being straight as well and contracting it from his girlfriend [ whom became his first wife], Jill [ she died from lesions on her brain and subsequent seizures arising from the condition a day after their marriage]put the disease on the map and the soap also addressed the prejudices and ignorance and the fears surrounding it. Mark was on retro-virals until 2003 when he told his mum that the medication was no longer working and that he knew he was going to die. He drove off out of the square and this story finished his character off in 2004, Michelle named her son she had had by Grant after him. Mark matured because he had too, saddled with a "death sentence" changed him, Martin just grew up and yes I like how James Bye is playing him.

The new Martin (James Bye) is boring. Also, Martin and Stacey make no sense together. James Alexandrou had the more challenging task of playing Martin as a teenager and young adult. He did a great job and had fantastic chemistry with Natalie Cassidy. He was part of the greatest EastEnders era.

I think this is played ok tbh, as Pauline had kept Mark's HiV away from Martin knowing, the way she's says no mother expects their child to die before them. Heartbreaking.

@@shaunwakefield9793 yes agreed - beautifully played reaction to death of a son she knew would come before her own. Not everyone goes to pieces and screams "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" like Lucy's death

No it isn't, I know someone who recovered from Non Hodgkins Lymphoma caused by HIV. It is not universally terminal.

@@peanutbutterbruv non-hidgkins type b is terminal. My wife has it.

@CoronaLigma42 She passed away peacefully in her sleep jJne 2022-. 3 weeks later I had surgery for cancer in the colon. They successfully removed the tumour but there were still some cancerous cells hanging around so I am undergoing chemo at the moment. Hopefuly the fourth and last session starts Tuesday 29th November.

@@peanutbutterbruv I am only telling you what the doctors said. She passed away in June 2022. It was type B, but in a rare form known as mantel cell

@@outlookesp bless you, Terry. I’m glad you recovered.

Cut him some slack, he just found out his brother had died.

@@iluvlafferty I didn't mean from this episode. I meant on other occasions. Gosh.

@@midnightstar1996 Well to be fair, did any teenager in Albert Square have an easy time? Martin grew up in a family that suffered from a whole range of problems. You had Pete Beale's wife being raped, Martin's brother Mark Fowler dying from AIDS, their father being conned and basically killed by someone he trusted... Eastenders makes everyone miserable.

then the karma got the wrong person. also, mark got hiv long before martin accidentally killed jamie

Mark died of AIDS, a bit different from someone getting run over

He didn’t deliberately kill him

Idiotic comment. Mark was Ill way before anyone knew who Jamie was. Dickhead

@@kevinprior3549 he died of cancer if you listen to what Sonya said.

What exactly is funny to you? You actually believe that only homosexuals get HIV? Ignoramus.

@@missolesoul no bellend, the joke is that back then mark kept getting accused of being gay when he wasn't and that's what made it funny