eBike Trends for 2023 

Very true.. no shame with the quality content he produces, he deserves as many plugs as he desires :).

3k is overpriced. For that you can buy an electric moped or motorcycle.

Agree that eBikes should cost far less for SOME models. The whole idea is transportation at a reasonable cost for MOST people. Those who want to spend $4k are free to do so.YMMV

​​@@r.d.9399But I can't ride mopeds/motorcycles on bike lanes or everywhere else than a street, which is faster in cities if you can. If you live somewhwre where this is no problem, sure. (And the running costs are way cheaper too for an e-bike)

I don't live in a city. For me, a practical car replacement ebike will require much bigger batteries than most ebikes on the market atm. If I can make a round trip to the next town over without bringing a charger and loitering, then I've got a practical car replacement. And yes, I know there are a few bikes that do that. But they're either well out of my price range, or are sporting a 1000w motor which isn't legal where I live.

You really don't need a belt: At high loads, chain is still less drag. Likewise, there's scarcely one hub shifter rated for the peak torque of a cargo ebike motor, & that's before adding _any_ pedal force. A 250lb person standing on the front pedal exceeds the rating of every one of them.

I agree! I would also like to see hub kits made here as well.

Tesla Bike?

Same here. Also use throttle assist when climbing hills. Easier than changing assist level for me.

Similar here. Was part of my reasoning of getting an ebike (along with the hot summers here, not having to pedal as hard to move really does make an difference, since its my main form of transport rn) I can be a bit trigger happy with the throttle but mine hauls at 22-24 mph, dependent on battery percentage, I use it mostly for intersections or to pick up initial speed when I'm on the roads. Before the ebike I would be stuck at intersections for nearly 10 mins because I could not give my manual bike enough of a push to zip across in time during busier traffic, nearly made me late for work in some cases!

Same for me as well. I use it to get going in intersections. Its great for that. It makes no sense that these big manufacturers are building ebikes with throttles primarily for mopeds with pedals.

@@schmitty8225 Agreed. As soon as you see a wide bench-style motorcycle seat instead of a saddle, you know nobody's going to be pedaling far on that!

@@BMA0522 I actually turn down the assist when I'm climbing hills. Hub motors don't like climbing hills. I shift to the lowest gear possible, then use assist 1 so that I'm using as little power as possible, and I'm not at risk of overheating the motor.

Thanks Kevin! That Tinker is a rare breed

I agree. The foreign junk is dangerous

@@r.d.9399 Unfortunately, foreigners do not have a monopoly on making junk bikes.

The industry brought this upon itself. Even domestic companies that were reselling foreign products should have been taking a stand against dodgy vendors selling dangerous products. It's not just poorly assembled packs that are the problems. There's also Chinese companies making fake batteries that have hardly any lithium in them. They test fine for the first week, but quickly lose their ability to hold a charge. When I worked as a bike tech, I've had foreign vendors offer me both options when it came to pack assembly. This also points to a bigger problem of the non-existent QC for most of the cheaper Chinese e-bikes. I used to catch all kinds of dangerous defects on these bikes that had nothing to do with the electrical system.

Depends on whether the US wants a protectionist society, or one that allows a full-fledged free for all with no regard to how actions negatively affect others. I agree and applaud the battery standards. I also think that battery tech should get more attention. I know several contractors that have recharged lithium batteries in their power tools for as long as 10-15 years, and our phones and tablets are often rated for as many as 500 charge cycles. These are lithium batteries. A battery life on an e-bike should be way longer than 3-5 years, that is stupid and ridiculous. I can understand it’s a different situation for daily commuters who might have to charge a bike every day, but for the average user who bikes for fun 1 or two times a week, we should get 12-15 years from a battery. If not, there is no sustainability there, sorry.

What city/community has banned ebikes?

@@dennisluz6453 Quite a few private landlords in NYC have

Agreed, any time I have raised the subject of accessibility regarding where people bicycle & now ebike, I've heard nothing but support. Walking more than two blocks would leave me aching so I ride everywhere. I sometimes felt less than stoked in >100°F heat with poor air quality after a hip injury, so I eagerly got an excellent ebike with enough power to replace my leg effort if necessary. Only concern is not wanting to park it; same as my nice manual bike. So, sometimes it comes inside with me! No complaints, lots of compliments & eager questions from all kinds of people.

​@@prophetzarquon1922, same. I have an old injury from a conventional bike accident and an ebike allows me to commute independently without pain because I can park by the door. Thankfully my apartment doesn't seem to mind at all--in fact I had an ebike when I moved in 5 years ago so they got used to it before all the fire hubbub.

@@emma70707 Amen to that! Paying to park & then walking a city block or more, started to feel really dumb, after the day I realized I could _coast_ to work & not have to walk until I'm 30ft from the desk!

I'm not sure I'd necessarily consider that a "nice job"--the adage is that paint is not infrastructure. Better than a sharrow but only just... Hopefully you can convince them that protected lanes are worthwhile soon. And, yeah, a place to lock up is essential. I'd honestly bring the bike in with you. If businesses don't have bike parking provided, bringing you bike in seems like a reasonable response. If they object, ask them nicely to put in bike parking and suggest the staple variety.

@@emma70707 Thank you, Emma. Yeah, I suppose I was being generous about "nice job" vs. (barely) better than nothing. 😂 I also wondered about breathing in the fumes from car/truck exhaust. The second part about bringing the bike inside is what had me considering folding bikes too. That and the narrow little townhouse I have (no garage).

@@ph5915 Yeah, if ever someone was looked at askance for wearing a mask, the looks get even more nonplussed when a rider _removes_ their mask to go inside because they only wear it while riding to reduce smog particulate inhalation!

My perception of Delaware bike infrastructure is "we painted a little bike lane stencil on the shoulder of this dangerous highway". There are a lot of bike lanes, but they're just paint with no real infrastructure change.

@@TheRealE.B. I agree 100%

Amen

Yes! One time down a 5 mile dirt road into a 25MPH headwind, was enough to make me bless the throttle _and_ the extra row of parallel cells to sustain it

Great feedback! Thanks for sharing

Out of curiosity, did you ever own a pedal assist ebike? I eventually switched to an ebike with a throttle because of knee pain (even moving the knee with minimal effort became too much), but even riding uphill (7-8% grades for part) on the way home in the highest levels of assist never left me sweaty if I didn't want it to. I'd also ride home on it when sick (ah, pre-pandemic expectations...) or after a 14 hour day of being mostly on my feet. I'm 100% behind throttle ebikes for an accessibility and safety tool, but I think you're far over estimating the level of work you need to put in to actually pedal a pedal assist bike that's properly geared in the highest level of assist.

@@emma70707 Most ebikes with throttles also have peddle assist. So yes, I have a PA ebike. And I do peddle on good days. Also, please don't make assumptions about me. It feels unpleasant when a stranger is seemingly putting words in my mouth.

Getting to throttle into work and avoid having to somehow shower in the bathroom sink and figure out a way to store and dry sweat drenched clothes while still getting the workout option for the way home is game changing and makes the prospect of bike commuting so much more accessible.

Great idea

Elsewhere I chimed in about cafe locks, electronic alarms. Bricking is another option. eBikes are here to stay.

Bosch sort of does this with their new controller system and the Flow app. You can remove the display and without it, the motor won’t work. You can still pedal the bike tho. An alarm/gps solution is also available in some countries, on subscription basis. (Really dont like subscription based services. It’s a menace).

These electronic locks, like what Apple uses, are actually a huge barrier to resale and reusability. It's a balance. I don't want my bike stolen either but I'd much rather cities put in adequate infrastructure and created cultures where everyone had bikes and income inequality was lower to property crime was down.

Anti-theft systems could also be added after purchase, the same way premium car alarms work. If you're good with electronics, it's not hard to build a security system that does everything you want.

I agree. I hope it happens.

@@Propelbikes Could you get along with Louis Rossman long enough to team up for some lobbying for it?

Agree, but similar to the automobile rebates, I think it would need to be dependent on % of components (including battery) that are US sourced, which would probably limit applicability at first, but after a few years of updates to the supply chain, be a boon for ebiking and good for the economy. The issue with just requiring assembly in the us is what constitutes ‘assembly’? Could today’s packaged e-bike shipped to the home that requires minimal assembly be considered ‘assembled in the U.S.’ due to that home assembly step?

@@davidcarrico3385 To be clear, I would prefer a rebate such as you describe, but if that were asserted to be too restrictive, I would even be OK with a federal rebate requiring nothing more than the final assembly (as in, the steps a customer buying a prebuilt boxed bike would otherwise do) performed domestically by a registered entity, mostly for liability\"warranty" reasons: Without a rebate requiring that final assembly be done prior to sale, a lot of people ill-equipped to do that assembly, end up trying to, in order to save a sometimes significant amount of money; whereas a rebate requiring final assembly by some registered entity establishes a much clearer line of liability should any of the most common assembly issues arise (under\over-tightened, wrong/no spacer, parts straight-up-missing, etc). True, Walmart would be selling chinese bikes with a rebate, but I'd prefer _even that_ over boxed bikes which can trivially avoid many otherwise common warranty claims, being the best price point for entry-level ebike riders. Essentially, I would grudgingly approve of any ebike rebate that adds monetary incentive to buy from a US retailer in one's area. _Right now,_ hastily rebadged "white label" chinese ebikes sold thru local retailers are already qualifying for state rebates (which lack such sourcing restrictions). I would prefer that new riders get a federal rebate which fails to improve on that but is still a rebate, versus no federal rebate. Even better _would_ be a rebate that only applies if the battery & other vital components are sourced domestically. That would be awesome, & I think it would pass the moment they got around to voting on it. I would _really_ like to see a federal rebate that also requires a real warranty _with_ right to repair. That would exclude most of the wall-art ebikes from the rebate anyway.

You guys have some great shops in Chicago, Four Star Family Cyclery is an awesome spot for cargo bikes.

@@Propelbikes I didn't know we a type bike shop like that here, gonna give that place a look to see if anything catches my eye Thanks!

Yes yes yes

EN15194 is an EU standard, that is quite similar to what has been developed by UL. It is not however recognized in the US. Our regulations which are presented by the CPSC are different in terms of motor size, maximum speed allowed through assist, and what equipment that bike must have attached. The EN standard is an actual law.

@@rayverhelst yes, however, given it encompasses the same things, and a bit beyond, and is just as rigorous a standard as UL2849, it should be sufficient to be sold in the US. Anytime we can save manufacturers cost without compromise to safety by cutting what are essentially duplicate regulations, we should.

@@StephanieDaugherty Unfortunately, as an EU standard it will never be adopted here in North America. The regulations supported by EN15194 are different in terms of the power of the motor, equipment specifications (on the bike as a whole), and allowed assist speed. North America allows more powerful motors, higher speed limits, and whether we like it or not, throttles that bypass the exclusive use of pedal activation (class 2). Also, the EN15194 is an actual legal piece of legislation for the majority of Europe and comes with penalties if caught not meeting the regulations. Our CPSC suggestions are just that, a "suggested" standard. It is up to the individual states (and sometimes cities). This is where we get the three classes that have been established by a combination of the California Bicycle Coalition and the eBike committee within the People For Bikes organization. These classes have been adopted by more than 30 states with more on the way. They have created a legal framework, with some penalties but are still working on the enforcement part.

The bike industry is still out of touch with what consumers want. As long as tech bros and dentists are willing to pay $10,000+ for a carbon fiber racing machine, they're not going to be lowering their prices anytime soon. It's sad though because they're really missing out on a growing demographic that wants affordable transportation. The European bike brands get it. I wouldn't be surprised if I see foreign companies bring their products here to fill this market!

IDK where you live, but here in the US there are a ton of great options under $2k. Tenways, ADO, Velotric, Aventon, RadPower... I could list a dozen more companies selling quality ebikes at that price point. What features in particular do you feel are lacking?

I think it's coming

Also, for smoothly getting over a high spot, where otherwise any less than flawless rider might experience an ever-dangerous pedal strike! Also, on slick mud / rutted ice / gravelly pavement, in places where the front &\or rear wheel persistently steps out of line, a throttle allows a rider to maintain a slow-but-steady forward power while keeping one's footing braced for maximum balance ecovery. (In the slickest places where even walking is almost impossible, hanging one leg out like an outrigger ski & feathering the throttle, can carry a prudent rider through where either feet or pedals alone simply fail!) That third point isn't relevant to tadpole trikes (whether upright cargo style or recumbent emtb style), but your point about uphill starts & my first point about pedal strikes, are each enough reason alone, to consider throttles a boon to safety; especially considering that pedal assist _is faster_ than throttle alone, anyway!

The other place I've found the throttle useful is carrying speed through corners. I find that my e-bike has so much rolling resistance, that I need to feather the throttle a bit so it can smoothly keep it's momentum in a corner.

@@lihtan Hmm, that sounds unusual; with modern low-pressure tires, even fat tires 5 inches wide should roll with little resistance. I mean certainly more resistance than a 3" or 2" tire, but it also shouldn't feel like a slog. Our ebike weighs _80 pounds,_ but it's still no big deal to ride it around flat land with the motor off. I have noticed that a steeply inclined chainline imparts a _lot_ of drag, but that wouldn't affect coasting... With low pressure tires, just a few pounds more *_or less_* can dramatically reduce rolling resistance. Sometimes I add air on a cold day, or let air out when riding on hot pavement; literally just 5 PSI more or less than ideal, feels like twice the effort. Aside from over-tightening when mounting the wheel on the bike(?), I'd say tire pressure & tread pattern would be the prime suspects, in tracking down excess rolling resistance.

@@prophetzarquon1922 I do most of my riding on sub-30 pound gravel bike with narrow 38c tires. The e-bike is triple the weight, and feels like a lumbering beast in comparison. I have noticed that I get more steering flop if the tire pressure gets low on the e-bike. I usually ride it during winter, so there's a good chance the tires need more air.

@@lihtan Yeah, that tire flop feeling is _awful_ when cornering! I agree that the heavier bike feels like a lumbering beast, for sure. I even have to commit a bit earlier & carve more sharply. The first time out (before calibrating the pedal torque sensor's baseline) I likened it to trying to ride atop a bulldozer. I went to pivot at an intersection & accidentally sent the bike up the landscaping boulders onto the top of a 4ft tall relay box! I stepped off the back & let it wheelie to a stop, but good lord it was like reining in a bull. Now I call it Matsukaze ('wind in the pines'), after the huge black horse that could only be ridden by one tall samurai of legend. (There's also a terribly sad play by that name, but that's another topic entirely.) Do you use offroad tread? I switched my manual bike to a tread with a pretty continuous centerline, & that helped rolling resistance enormously. I wouldn't go so far as slicks or "road tires", but I have been surprised _how much_ difference any slight change to the tires makes. I am intrigued by the new tinier portable compressors: Throwing away CO2 cartridges sucks, but so has every portable pump I've had since the '90s!

Glad it was helpful!

You might find suitable clothing in the trail running or the nordic skiing section

I'm a big fan of fleece lined pants (black/colored jeans or corduroy pants, depending on what you can wear to work, from LL Bean) along with full zip rain pants. I think mine are from Marmot? If you're pedaling, that should keep your lower body toasty but you shouldn't need to change at work, just a quick unzip of the wind/waterproof layer. Alternatively, I do also wear normal work pants with Nordic skiing pants (again, full zip because no one has time to awkwardly go to the backroom or to take off shoes) that are wind and water resistant on the fronts on slightly less cold days. Idk what brand they are but I think I got them from Eddie Bauer or REI.

In a fast changing bike development we hope to see improved and less costly hub and mid motors and lighter bikes. For older people like myself I would like to see improved ergonomically designed eBikes which emphasize seating comfort, suspension and cruiser type handles which does not cause as much arm and neck strain as straight handles. Because there are so many mfrs in China I would hope to see more quality control , meaning that U.S companies should periodically send reps to visit Chinese factories to assure QC. Fit and finish (especially welded joints) can be a sore point visually.

@@dennisluz6453 completely agree! I’ll make a note of this in my future designs!

This is what the car manufacturers realized. They managed to get entire city blocks torn down to make room for cars. Meanwhile in my city, they're still struggling to finish a 1/4 mile section of a bike path that was proposed 20 years ago.

I wonder if you can talk to some of the local high schools to see if there's a student who's interested in working with the older gentleman as an apprentice. It's really important that regions don't lose to the skilled trades.

That sounds like a great opportunity for an enterprising individual to serve a captive market!

@@lihtan Unfortunately the degree of what I would call general knowledge about even the simple concept of what an e-bike is and how it works is sadly lacking in this area of the country. Earlier today I was talking to someone who I would consider to be smart and technically knowledgeable but I had to spend 10 - 12 minutes explaining how an e-bike with it's pedal assist is NOT an electric motorcycle. I.E. you HAVE to pedal to get any assistance from the electric motor. He looked at me while I was explaining this like I was crazy. This is the common level of knowledge about e-bikes in this area of the country. Basically people have no clue.

Thanks! Hope you're well!

So one ad says the city of Oakland, CA is planning on a eBike library? Sorry but I would not recommend a high crime city to be a first test city for this. And by the way, this idea would make those bike/scooter companies like Lime (?) and such unhappy because it cuts into their business.

We can choose? Who is “we”? “We” are the problem behind the problem already. Come back here when you figure out ALL the things that your employer has to pay and do for a full time employee. “We” have made employees something everyone is trying to avoid. Read the frigging room. Investors are all looking for low employee count investments and it’s not helping people one bit.

@@nunyabidness3075 “We” as in the people of any country can tax the rich to pay for all the things we need. If you’re in America, you should start with your healthcare system. Fund it through general taxation and make it free at the point of use. Like our NHS. Which was the world leading healthcare provider before 2010, when the conservatives came to power, defunded it and privatised parts of it. But the fundamental idea of it works, and will work again once it’s properly funded and fully renationalised.

Bike education and road sense.

If they can earn enough for an ebike, I'd let them get the best parts they can afford; I would even chip in to make sure they get excellent brakes, battery, lock, etc. Bikes are more about good components than which brand did the pre-assembly. Make sure they can work on their _bicycle,_ & keep that in good shape, before throwing an ebike at them. In addition, an ebike rider should understand a good deal about how batteries & motors work (hopefully, a teenager can learn even more about that than we can!) & needs to be aware that a more expensive & heavier vehicle is a lot more responsibility & liability. Be advised they may not be able to bring some types of ebike on some buses \ trains. _Lots_ of them require you to remove the battery during transit. Whether sealed or open style, a **full-face helmet** can save a lot more than their pretty face. **A half-shell helmet is half a helmet.** On sedate trails that are mostly dirt & vegetation, away from traffic zones, lighter helmets can prevail, but when crossing amongst automobile traffic &\or riding on asphalt & concrete, the helmet needs to scale to the terrain & velocities involved. Get a fancy ventilated one if necessary, but ***track down a full-face helmet!*** They're worth it. If any of you use iOS, stash an AirTag on the ebike somewhere that's a bit inconvenient to find/remove. Or better yet get an ebike with integrated Apple FindMy UWB tracker. Or _ideally,_ stash an LTE+3G device on the ebike, with a prepaid SIM: the paltry SMS usage required to respond with a location when requested, can last all year on a minimum balance. As a kid in Austin TX & outside towns south of there, & then in & around the Gretna\Terrytown New Orleans area, & finally as a busy student in Denver\metro & Boulder & the "front range", the only way any of my friends & I could see each other, was to swindle a ride from a parent or _to have a bicycle._ With a bicycle, there were parks & friend's houses & arcades & air-conditioned libraries with scifi & magazines, & just about all the freedoms a kid should have. _Without_ a bike, each kid was stranded until someone was so sick of them they'd sit in traffic & burn gas just to drop them off somewhere for a few hours in a week.

@@prophetzarquon1922 I agree completely. I always look at an e-bike as being secondary to a pedal bicycle. My gravel bike gets ridden 90% of the time. I bust out the e-bike on recover days, or during winter the ground is covered in snow.

@@lihtan Yes, bicycle competency is vital, before taking on a moped. Personally, I ride the ebike about half the time: heatwaves, (increasingly frequent) bad air days, snow\ice, & grocery runs, are sure to get me on the ebike. For anything more recreational I'm usually on the manual bike. If a few KWh could be made light enough, I might _someday_ want just one bike, but even then, it still seems essential to know how they work & how to do at least some of the work on them. Like horses, one kinda _needs_ to know a bit about them, before one is ready to own & ride. Otherwise both rider & mount are likely to encounter trouble.

I can imagine a small hand crank winch to be able to be used if the bike gets stuck in mud or something

Much appreciated!

Yeah, considering that Bosch has US versions of their motor these days anyway, I'd really love to see them implement a throttle. I had to switch to a Dapu mid with throttle when my knee pain became bad enough that I could no longer always pedal home on my Bosch, even on the highest levels of assist. Maybe now that the US market is getting large enough, they'll put in the work to do so. I'd buy it in an instant for my next bike. As much as I like my Evelo and appreciate the 4 year warranty on everything (it's a solid, relatively premium brand with a long history for a DTC company!), the Dapu is just not as buttery smooth as the Bosch, nor is the battery system as well designed.

In some European cities bikes are fitted with "cafe" locks. Going one step further, maybe bikes can have electronic theft alarms that give out a large 120 dB alarm.

Alarms are a bad idea. If you look at the research on car alarms, it's quite clear that they don't actually dissuade people from stealing them. The tools thieves use to steal bikes, if you're using a serious lock, are going to be equally loud, anyway, and that clearly doesn't draw enough attention to prevent the theft so why would you think an alarm would? In the end, you're just adding to noise pollution in your area when someone wants to use the same rack your bike is on the vast majority of the time your alarm is triggered. This leads to them being ignored, and therefore why they likely don't work (see again, car alarms, which people in cities automatically assume someone set off by accident). Loud noises also are not harmless. There's an increasing amount of research that ambient sound levels increase stress and actual violent crimes in the area. So I don't think we should be adding to that by choosing ineffective "protections" that mostly serve to annoy others attempting to share the bike rack with us.

Biggest problem upcoming: Turning bicycle paths into bicycle expressways! Higher speeds stay on streets!

We are definitely looking forward to this!

Stromer is working on a prototype solid-state e-bike battery. The only problem right now, is that the battery alone costs $10,000.

*lithium

I was glad that I was able to really try a number of excellent e bikes at Propel Brooklyn and was even able to take one home to Connecticut to try and return before settling on the Reise Mueller novo 3 . I love the bike, use it constantly w/ daily 32 mile commute - belt drive . It is smooth quick with fabulous lights for night riding through back woods roads. I rarely use my car . I love the bike and the persistent service and sound advice at Propel. Great bike and a great bicycle store- they are committed to rigorous safety . As a busy OB/GYN I appreciate these qualities.

@@julieflagg9171 sounds awesome! I have yet to ride a reise and mueller bike but I’ve heard many good things about them and that’s why I’m really interested in trying some of them out. Glad to hear you’re putting miles on yours!

Much appreciated!

Let's put it this way : as bike development advance why can't we have BOTH throttle and pedal in mid motor bikes? You then have a choice to select which to ride. And I think Evelo bikes (or is it Priority bikes) that offer that feature in one model. Best of both worlds.

I love my Evelo mid-drive with a throttle. I used to be a pedal assist snob, too, until my injury from an old bike accident (which is why I got an ebike in the first place) got to be too painful and I started not to be able to make it home from rides even on the highest levels of assist. The throttle allows me to be able to get out and get exercise by off-loading the pain-inducing parts of the ride (starting) fully to the motor and still be able to be independent on the really bad pain days where I might need to throttle most of the ride. It is critical that we "right size" our transportation as we try to become greener as a society. It would be utterly stupid to buy a 500 lb motorcycle with excess Li-ion batteries, have to carry motorcycle insurance, and have to pay for parking when I just want to go ~20 mph, get exercise when I can, and be able to park by the door (because of the injury, walking excessively is difficult too on bad days). A 65 lb ebike more than meets my needs, even if you weirdly want to insist it's a motorcycle despite it having a 500 W (i.e., 2/3 hp) motor, which wouldn't even qualify it as a moped. Maybe take a look at why you think you need to gatekeep such things? I'm sensing some abelism here...

Even as an intermediate bicycle rider, I've noticed that an e-bike requires a few new skills to learn to ride them safely, and deal with the intricacies of the power system. The education should also include basic maintenance and how to do safety checks.

I think it's tough to say no fires, but the risk is definitely less. I hope we do see more offerings which will improve the safety overall for eBikes

@@Propelbikeslithium iron phosphate is MUCH safer than lithium ion. It does not have the risk of runaway reactions that lithium ion has. I understand the reticence to say ‘no fires’ but like the original poster, I have never heard of a fire with lithium iron phosphate that was due to the chemistry.

For that price go get a car instead. There are less expensive but well equipped ones (e.g.

Aah, I finally remembered the other trike brand : Tern. Thanks to another poster.

@@dennisluz6453 Dennis, Dennis, Dennis! I want go shopping and visiting without using a car. I'm 80 and have quit bicycles. I do agree that an old truck is tempting. But I'm tired of supporting the petroleum industry.

Hase brand delta trikes for elderly getting on/off. Tallest seat Lepus model owned here with E-assist, 2WD, and Rohloff gearbox. Most suspension/comfort under rider's torso. @@unclegeorge7845