Also wanted to say unless bicycle infrastructure really picks up in the USA and distances become shorter (mixed use development) i don't see anything going less than 28mph as being super useful as a car replacement when we still have to "share the road" with car drivers.
Yeah I agree. I live in a large city but the bike infrastructure is very patchy, so no matter where you go you have to ride with traffic for at least a portion of the trip. I can't really consider anything under 25 mph, which is too bad because that speed is total overkill on mixed-used bike and walking paths, but it's a must for commuting.
@@paulcarmi8130 We pay registration fees and taxes on vehicles because vehicles are big and heavy and they destroy the road overtime and we need those funds to pay for the constant infrastructure maintenance. Bikes don't damage roadways and don't contribute to roadway congestion, it makes no sense for bike riders to pay in this context. Edit: Also are you coming into the comments of an electric bike video just to get into it in the comments?
I think the future of ebikes are like the one you are still riding: go everywhere tires. folding. fits in elevator. Holds 330lbs. Most importantly, can pedal at maintained 25-32kmh using only 100w-200w, and so can tour/ride 2-3, or 6 hours a fair distance. An all around great vehicle. Affordable 750w still gets useful top speed when you need it.
I'm not sure about the current folding ebikes. Even folded they're awkwardly huge and heavy for most people to actually carry around. Regular folding bike shift/brake cables also have issues from bending over time which I imagine would be the same for electrical cables. I'm basically hoping for a Brompton with a 750+w motor and future batteries with 5 times the storage capacity.
@@johndopamine7614 I'm not promissing 10+ year problem freeness. The electric cables have a pretty short span "under" the folding mechanism to the controller. They don't bend very much. Brake/shifter cables replacing every 5 years instead of 15 years may not be a big deal. Folding means putting it on a train, or cab/hitchhiking if a mechanical problem. Possible effort vs emoto styles. The heaviness is balanced with speed, acceleration, range, cargo and terrain accessibility.
I can go 30 everywhere without pedaling on a heavy cafe racer type... if it was a hybrid bike you could probably triple the range compared to fat tires and 70 pounds weight... could easily live in many places with a folder and combining bus, rail or carpool/ taxi service with ebike
The government is the problem. The government might make laws requiring registration and license fees for electric bikes. Although I like how you're thinking.
The first bike would probably next be released in countries where most people own mopeds instead of cars such as in India or Indonesia! People would probably swarm to buy those scooters in India and Indonesia because of the low prices and because of how they would be cheaper to run than a petrol scooter! :)
I expect there will be a heck of a lot of Jetson Bolts on the North American roads this year. That alone is gonna challenge cities to adapt. Many of the people buying bolts are buying a first bike and will go bigger the year after. There are also a lot of those Scrambler frames with 500w rear hubs going for under 2k. Any half clever bike nerd knows they can hodrod the bike on the instalment plan. It is gonna been an interesting few years.
I don’t think so. India secured a HUGE Deal with Russian crude oil. For many years to come. Since the war, other countries can’t buy the fuel but India can. Plus there is a huge market for parts on gas combustion ebikes. Indias electrical grid also isn’t the best. Look it up.
I really doubt electric motorbikes will become more popular than internal combustion motorbikes in less developed countries. People rely on them for their every day transportation. Having to maintain a charge all the time and having a finite range is a lot less convenient than pouring some petrol in a tank and going.
The problem, at least here in the US is the gray area between eBike and eMotorcycle. This is exacerbated with products like the Suron that have token pedals to make them appear to be bicycles so you can skirt laws requiring registration for street use. So now you have people taking them on hiking trails and sidewalks which inevitably gets other people pissed off, filing complaints and leading to local ordinances and laws banning eBikes of all sorts from such venues. Like anything, it's the assholes who mess it up for the rest of us.
We have to draw the line somewhere between a piece of sporting equipment that can be operated by children on infrastructure designed for vulnerable road users, and a motor vehicle that requires registration, insurance, and a license to operate only on designated infrastructure. There are some people who want all the performance of a motor vehicle with the convenience of a bike, and it's unfortunate that there are manufacturers willing to exploit loopholes to sell it to them.
@@wescoleman6390 Yup Wes that's the gist of it because some people just want to walk on these trails and and not have eBikes blasting past them. Accommodating both is not a simple concept.
Or you should blame those trying to restrict your freedom instead of those exercising it. Otherwise you likely will end up like us in the EU, only 250 W, only pedal assist, only 25km/h.
@@ano_nym In EU you are allowed to go 45km/h if you have a drivers license and wear proper equipment and use the roads that go up to 50km/h for cars. You have to use the bikelanes if cars go faster than 50km/h but you can to ride up to 40km/h depending on the place of the bikelane (city centers 30km/h). I think EU has really good rules in place that makes sure everyone can use the road safely.
@@ano_nym I don't know if running people off sidewalks or hiking trails with an electric motorcycle capable of doing 50 mph is a good example of "exercising your freedom"
Wow, I am NOT a bike person (mostly interested in tech broadly) but am just blown away by the modality in which this video is presented - so refreshing, original, and interesting! Also love the transition between POV and screen share (very nice editing omg). I just subscribed!
I gave up holding my breath a long time ago for an affordable street legal light e-motorbike equivalent to something in the 100-150cc range. I have sure seen a lot of artist's rendering of them though and promises from startup companies that never amount to anything. For now I will keep riding my converted full-sus enduro MTB.
It's so cool in the US in regards to e-bikes. I'm in Europe and we have a lot more restrictive laws (up to 250W motor and pedal assist mode ONLY). I'm buzzing around on a 125cc motorcycle for now, waiting for an affordable e-moped or something with reasonable range and not-outrageous price, but don't have my hopes too high.
If you want an electric motorcycle, get an electric motorcycle. If you want an electric moped, get an electric moped. If you want an electric bicycle, get an electric bicycle. Going 25km/h on a regular city bicycle requires quite some effort, that's why regular e-bikes are capped at a certain speed. It's about cycling infrastructure, safety, and the expectations in traffic from others. I'm even fine with how the rules are, considering how silly they are in the Netherlands where I live, for the "speed pedelec". The "speed pedelec" is essentially a pedal assisted electric moped, which comes with / requires a plate on the back, blinkers, and a helmet. But it's also going up to 45km/h. Not a very typical cycling speed, so understandable that this is not regarded as a regular bicycle either.
@@dogguy8603 actually mate I think you’ll find it’s the lack of an engine a motorcycle is a hobby first and transport second which doesn’t really coincide with any electric vehicles I’ve seen , can see emopeds going far in the next few years
I like having the options of both. I really want an electric motorcycle because my city is not bike-friendly at all, so my e-bike mostly collects dust in my apartment. But I love to take my e-bike out for leisure riding because I can get exorcis without worrying about overexerting myself
The bikes you show here are all motorcycles, an electric equivalent of a Honda Cub, which is a motorcycle requiring a license etc. So, to answer the question that you asked, e motorcycles should be treated as such, and be ridden on the road, and not on sidewalks and bike paths, where they present a significant danger to pedestrians.
I bought the K26 Kakuka since it looks like a regular bike but electric only $500 Black Friday. Normally $1300 and I love it because the battery is hidden so no one even knows first look is an ebike. After adding cool gadgets it feels like a quiet motorcycle with pedals. I'm loving ebikes!
Personally I like my Tern quick haul which is basically just a regular bike but with assist and cargo capacity. I think the closer e-bikes stay to regular bikes, the more likely it is that they get more adoption without the risk of getting banned which in turn will hopefully cause more safe infrastructure to get made
Never been interested in this scene so finding this video is random chance but you biking around my hometown DEFINITELY caught me off guard. Great vid!
I think there will always be a DIY/modding corner of the market too. You see it a lot with the Sur Ron where you can get a respectable base bike with a huge aftermarket parts selection and basically turn it into a full size electric motorcycle. The Sur Ron Storm Bee should also be released in the US soon which will really improve the options for high end electric motorcycles
cant say much for what will happen but for what i would like to see is a very wide spectrum to be honest. i want to see both the very lightweight city commuter available and also the heavy duty class 3 ebike with 40+ AHr batteries. these both have a place and different people need different kids of bikes. for example, my wife uses her bike to simply commute to work. she doesnt need anything except what will make the ride more enjoyable and less of a workout, also help on some of the slight hills. however, i use my ebike to deliver doordash/ubereats. i need something that can last for 50mi, be able to keep up with city traffic speeds, and can handle the weight of 20lbs of food at max load. all this though, i dont want to see the "motercycleification" of ebikes, because at that point they're just electric motercycles. though i guess this is less about me not wanting to see them and more afraid of legistlation that will blurr the lines between these electric mopeds and class 3 ebikes. i want to be able to ride my ebike along bike paths when i want to. i already get enough ignorant folks scream at my every other week because they think i'm riding a motercycle on a bike path, last thing i want is legal justification to ban ebikes off bike paths.
just got my aventon sinch step through not long ago and ive been lovin it. the design in my opinion is one of the best i just wish it were a little faster.
Yep, 20mph is a great starting point but i quickly realized, the actual sweet spot for speed on alot of these ebikes is around 25mph ( or 28 if theyre going by class 3 regulations). I felt the same as you when i got my first ebike last year that topped at around 20, and always felt like id be content with alittle more. On my kepler i tend to stay around 22-25mph a majority of the time, only ever speeding up if i need to or off road on a discrete bike trail. So yeah that extra 5 mph is a game changer and was one of the reasons i eventually upgraded to the kepler recently. Glad youre enjoying the aventon though, still a great bike and im sure it now has sparked an interest in going bigger/stronger in the future when youre able too.
Fenders and storage options are a must/dealbreaker being on the bike is the dealbreaker for me. No stupid apps either, as well as low maintenence as possible.
I think it can go both ways at the same time. theres always going to be a demographic that represents each other and both the Tech Bikes and the Honda Bikes will have large amounts of supporters, in my opinion (i have no experience with ebikes)
Yeah im completely hooked on ebikes now every since i got my kepler. Came from a totguard mountain/road bike style ebike that topped at 20mph and the difference between that and kepler is night and day. But the main complaint of the kepler and fat tire bikes in general in comparison, frankly, is just the sheer size of the bike. I can handle it, but its become abit cumbersome to bring it in/out of my house now due to the weight, and its abit more annoying getting it inside the front door of my job, because aint no way this thing is being left outside lol. I could see myself eventually grabbing a smaller folding ebike, that can hopefully hit about 25mph top speed for random quick commutes, then use the kepler for the longer rides. Also the price range of ebikes are in somewhat of a sweet spot imo. Anywhere between $300-$3000+ depending on specs and whatnot but ive learned that you can very much get away with riding a simple $400-$600 ebike off amazon and be just fine for the typical usage scenario ( my first bike was a totguard that now goes for about $500, solid bike). Im excited for the future of ebikes and seeing more and more poeple get into it. I get so many questions during my rides here in south florida, and im seeing firsthand how people are beginning to see the utility of owning one, then going out and buying one themselves. Im only abit concerned about the regulations and stuff as more and more people inevitably ride ebikes dangerously, prompting local law enforcement to eventually crack down on it. But for now, we should enjoy it as much as we can, while we can.
As a bike mechanic I hate e-bikes. Every time someone brings one into my shop it’s a piece of garbage with garbage components that break all the time and are extremely difficult to service. And it’s even worse when I have to tell the customer that the bike they just paid hundreds to thousands of dollars for is actual trash and I’m going to have to charge them $50 just to change a flat tube because it takes 30 minutes just to get the wheel off
I'm a cyclist who is looking into investing in an e-bike for longer distance riding. As such, I'm looking for a do-it-all bike, that can go long distances, handle bumps and unfamiliar terrain, and keep up with traffic, all while having high-end cycling design and components.
e Bikes need to be regulated. I live in Southern California where droves of children who have no idea any of the rules of the road are dangerously zipping. Someone was recently hit by a car and killed in my town.
I'm biased but I want foldable light ebikes with no throttle but with a lot of motor help (higher than 250W and 50Nm). Foldable and light because that means it's acceptable to keep it with you wherever you go (props to if you can fold it and have an easy way to push it around with the help of the motor like a shopping cart with the bag on the front for example) this way there is no stealing possible since you keep it with you and no encumbering the sidewalk with tons of locked bike (since, again, you keep it with you). Also the no throttle thing with a country adequate speed limit might still enable us to be on the sidewalk... maybe? The high torque high power motor helps going anywhere, any hills, or to carry any cargo, maybe a cart with seats for passengers/kids or for groceries. Anyway to me that sounds like the telephone gadget solution except we all bought into it and all use that as our main transportation. That was a very interesting video, thanks!
You can still use a 250w motor and get most of what you want with a mid drive ebike. Since it's basically powering the pedal, you can keep the gearing that normal bike has. Plus with only 250w, the motor is smaller and lighter, thus don't need as much battery, which again, is lighter
@@koolkei you are totally right. I tried a Tern Vektron that has a 250W mid drive and it was awesome. It was still disappointing on the hills around my block but it is the older model with the Active Line motor, I read they have some more torque-y ones so there's hope!
In UK any electric bike (with pedal assist) that is over 250w or faster 15.5 MPH on battery power is classed as a motorbike and needs a driving licence and vehicle insurance.
There's already laws almost exactly like that. They're a little less strict as you can have a class 3 ebike with 20mph throttle and 28mph pedal assist before you have to register it as a moped/scooter. I suspect they made 3 classifications so they could require registration in the future or eventually outlaw class 3s
I see plenty of people in the UK riding diy kits at 750w+ . You can ride a normal bicycle faster than 15mph easy. What a terrible law. Practice some civil disobedience.
Hey enjoyed the video, and I've gotta assume someone mentioned this, but I didn't see anything, but you may want to boost your audio levels next time! Was able to turn things up enough to hear, but it was waaaayyy quieter than other YT vids.
Those things look fast enough to where people should maybe be required to take a basic motorcycle safety course and license. There are certain processes that should be followed when driving on a motorcycle to improve your visibility and to ensure someone doesn’t just step out in front of you. For example, if an e-bike rider is hugging the sidewalk or driving near parked vehicles at high speed, they could get “doored” or run into someone stepping out from behind a vehicle. What do you think?
Yeah in loads of countries the limit is 20mph or even 15 & pedal-assist only before they start considering them as mopeds. The limiters are relatively trivial to bypass though & you often see drug runners using them with the speed restrictions removed.
They gotta stop making bikes with beach-wheels. It makes it insanely heavy for no reason, while keeping thinner tires, makes balancing easier and the weight small. Something you definitely want on a bike- and it does not look stupid. I like where the "moped" designs are going. But in my opinion, the Tech-Bike designs are by far the worst. Generally anything electric I think is great. Noisy mopeds that sounds like 10 lawnmowers at once, should be in the past- but the youth still noise up the streets with illegal mopeds from the early 2000s. Great video!
Since a majority of the USA is not yet ready for bicycles nor even pedestrians, I want to see more powerful EBikes. The likes of Ariel Rider X-Class and the Ride1Up Revv. In order to travel safely on a bike in many towns, well... You cant. It's not safe in most places due to a lack of sidewalks, bike lanes, bike paths, and the abundance of 30mph+ suburban roads and 40mph+ stroads with no room for cars to pass. My solution has been powerful ebikes so that I can near-in on just under 40mph in order to not get ran over. Ironically I feel safer hauling at 38mph downhill on my x-class, than I do going 10mph on a normal bike on the roads around me. High speeds are virtually a safety feature for me. My cousin recently got hit by a truck on his traditional bicycle on the roads in town and has since gone electric too to avoid getting hit, by keeping up with cars. There are of course proper mopeds nowadays that get the speed and price I desire, but there's a realm of bicycle and motorcycle style of riding that I and a lot of people want. So were waiting for motorcycles and Ebikes to meet in terms of power and price. But right now electric motorcycles are astonishingly expensive. And companies that sell affordable electric mopeds are also selling motorcycle style versions of the same hardware, but are increasing the price tag for a sorta "style tax". Anything with a moto shape is jacked in price even if its brother products share the exact same components. For example, I recently saw a cheap moped with a lot of power and range. It's brand is selling another moped with all the exact same parts, power and range, but made it moto shaped and have almost doubled the price on it.
Electric motorcycles really aren't that expensive. They are boutique bikes and are sold at that price. The Damon hypersport is competitive in speed and price with the BMW S1000RR.
@@rewt127 "They are boutique bikes" yes exactly. Even when sharing hardware of very cheap scooters, they are "boutique" and come loaded with a higher price. Also, didn't even know about the Damon. But the lowest value you can find for a true highway electric motorcycle is around $10k for 90mph bikes. When for half the price, a gas bike could get you over 110mph new. There are electric motorcycles under $10k but they quickly drop in available performance by the mentioned metrics. The market is already moving towards offering higher power electric motorcycles for cheaper, but its just moving a bit slow.
If it can do over 20 without pedal assist, it is a moped or motorbike and should be treated as such. I think we need low powered micromobility solutions, but it is ridiculous sometimes. I had a moped that topped out around 40 and some "ebikes" are now exceeding this. I don't have a problem with someone having an electric moped or motorcycle if they are licensed and insured and having smaller lighter variants with a more bike like design that are easy to store is great, but the classifications need looked at. Limit e-bikes to 20MPH under throttle, if you want to go faster, pedal, if you are unable to pedal, 20 is still plenty for the niche ebikes fill, if you are going faster than that on any vehicle, it is a motor vehicle and you need a liscence and insurance to operate it on public highways- bike paths are off-limits.
I think a good ebike has to have the following: - torque (if you cant climb hills with cargo/passenger then its useless) - cargo (take advantage of the freespace in the frame as well as front/rear cargo capabilities) - range (pretty obvious) - speed (there should be laws limiting the speed of ebikes, not the power from the motor. We have 1,000hp cars that have to adhere to 50km/hr (Canada) on city streets. Ebikes should be governed the same way.) - Style (No one wants to ride a bike that is unappealing.) - Safety features (standard and built in signals, lights, mirrors, good brakes, suspension, etc) Anything else?
@@JamesRhodes1941 if you arent going to require people to take motorcycle safety courses, then ABS becomes a basic necessity. Otherwise at 30+mph kids are going to lock their front tire, and ragdoll their body straight into traffic. So I think ifs more than just "it would be nice to have". I think it needs to be mandated if we aren't going to have licensure for ebikes.
@@rewt127 Honestly I agree. You cannot even buy a car without ABS now adays and that is a full metal cage protecting you already. I don't know about "mandated" but definitely a common feature.
The good thing about Hondas idea is they're so heavy you don't really have to worry about them being stolen in public so u could actually take them to work without getting them stolen or having to take them into the building to prevent theft
@Moto Mutt I know I mean it's higher chance that it won't happen if they think it's a moped or motorcycle and it being bigger and heavier will make them think twice.
I am techie with not much knowledge of e-bikes. Personally, I would love to have a smart bike, however, its function is to get me from point A to point B and anything other than weather forecast and GPS seem redundant. It is easy to envision a situation where people get their attentions snatched by an app and get into accidents, taking into account that bicycles do not require a driver's license to be driven.
Honestly I love the Cub look, that's so cool they're making ebike versions now. I dunno how practical it is to pedal that, but still like it a lot better than the latter bikes you showed.
I'd like the smart bike piece of small and able to bring up a stairs or on a train, but also none of these smart bells and whistles to reduce the cost. My mobile phone is still able to do all that, a plastic mount is fine. Put all the money into battery capacity, range and lightness and that I'll pay for. Yes, that is actually hard, and why I don't expect to truly see it on the market.
These new type of e-bikes with scooter tires gain popularity in the Netherlands, our laws ban fuel burners on a big part of cycling paths and in some city's. E-bike and regular bicycles are the most reliable to get from point A to point B without tickets where scooters and mopeds used to be in this list until end 2022. Personally I like to see low power smaller form factor fold-able e-bikes with fast charging to allow for travel by train.
What I'd like is probably unlikely/impossible: a tiny, light, and cheap (near/under $1K) ebike with decent range(not city-only). Hopefully something with at least 3 gears (internal hub?) and has enough power to be competently class-1 (I don't care about throttle). Unfortunately at that price range and lower, useful/needed features cut and sometimes sold as add-ons so it often seems that a cheaper bike isn't actually much higher value. Plus for my budget, all of the extra things that I'd need to buy.
@@CH-vm6cq a bit too heavy and no gears. Fiido D4S seems *slightly* closer there, but there's also no keys and the battery is screwed in. Though the D4S probably has less peak power, but I'm not sure it'd lose a real world test w/2 points stated. In either case I wish adhering to class 1 were more of a point, like having a more obviously removable thumb throttle rather than twist throttle. Fiido also has a mode switch which seems kinda dumb (that could be useful when you're not on trails, but I'm not sure there's any way it could be acceptable within laws... *maybe* a super inconvenient key). I'm still on the fence though, so will probably just sit out and wait for better battery tech particularly.
I’m waiting for a new update regarding the E-Bike expansion pack, most places on the map have you riding with the NPC’s in cars, and their AI is shoddy at best. Right now using a powerful E-Bike is considered cheating! And I’ve had mods threaten to ban me if I don’t stick to the labeled transport zones.
as a do-it-yourself person I am kinda interested in the latest tech developments, but fear that the e-bike market will eventually end up too professional and heavily regulated. Like the car market where 100 years ago you could put basically anything to the road and today it is impossible to buy a simple headlight, that is not a specific headlight for a specific car made in a specific year.
I don't like the larger/fat e-bikes because they take up so much space on the cycle path and take up more space parking. Also, I live in the Netherlands, and the city of Amsterdam here is looking into installing a 20km/h speed limit for all bikes on the cycle path in the city to make the cycle paths even saver. I hope the e-bike market moves into the the direction of brands like vanmoof, that don't take up much space, easy to use and also look good.
The "bike" paths drive in this video are so ridiculously bad and narrow :D I'm pretty sure even the people are wider than those and you can't have two people side-by-side on them... I love how nice the audio in this video is despite being on a bike. Well done!
One thing that frustrates the hell out of me with where the market is going: an ebike isn't necessarily an electric bicycle, and for any of these to be ridden efficiently as a pedal bicycle, the seat and geometry needs to be made with this in mind. The diamond frame bicycle geometry and design is timeless because it works. Async has an extremely uncomfortable looking seat if you intend to pedal. The motor scooter style Honda bikes have pedals only to be symbolic that they are low power, because let's be real, you're not gonna pedal that unless the battery is completely out. What i see with these "futuristic" designs is an inferior bicycle if you intend to pedal, but my background is more in the bicycle camp than the motorcycle one. It frustrates me that there isn't a differentiation. Also wanted to say with the Asus bicycle: missing tons of potential in just not making that a folding ebike.
Don't worry there is a old school electric bicycles in europe and they sell way more than the 'moped' replacements and eveolving very fast. The name ebike is just messy since they somehow replace 2 devices at least the motor based 2 wheelers and the normal bicycle. It would have been better if each one had its own name.
Ikr. That Honda ebike is straight up an electric scooter but with pedals added as an afterthought behind where the footwell goes. Its fine if you were to ride it as a normal scooter. But pedaling that thing looks extremely uncomfortable with the way the seat and pedals are positioned
@@scb2scb2 i think the confusion has always existed though, because bike could mean motorcycle or pedal bicycle. I think a more fitting and descriptive name being picked up in Europe is "pedelec" which is easy to say and says more about what exactly it is.
@@totoroben Yeah i think its more a usa thing on the naming but also how they are seen. In europe there seems to be a less 'need for speed and megawatts' on avg. Also personally the electric speedpedelecs or electric scooters are seen as a plus by many since the patrol versions are now mostly the loudest things on the road. The 'where goes what' is still a little of a issue but that can only happen because (well at least in netherlands) there is assigned paths for most modes of traffic. Stil i think in general think would be better if the naming evolved more clearly on what is what.
I want 60V and 72av to become cheap and normalized. 😅 I went with the Wicked 20 ah 60V 39 mph cruiser. The full suspension was on 2 month delay and I couldn't wait. 😅 I say wait for full suspension tbh. Off-road Is still fun just add suspension seat and lower tire pressure.
the Compact Folding e-bike design with Carry On Luggage type mini wheels & handle. an e-bike design that has its own Luggage folding basket included. you can take it on a city bus or train. also 50V is highest safe voltage for all or wet weather e-bike also 25kmph safest e-bike speed limit for big City traffic . also suspension is unnecessary below 25kmph.
I like the carry-sized bikes, I also like that I can track them since crime is an issue in the city. I would actually love to go to work every day on one of these.
I think the concept of those "bikes" on public walking paths is crazy. It's tough enough with those scooters whizzing past you at speed, and especially nerve wrecking when you have small kids that like to suddenly move in a diagonal direction when they are walking.
I don't se why it needs a direction. Variety of products is nice. and perhaps we will even se a blend of both. I will ad however that being able to track your bike should be a feature for all of them based on how often they get stolen.
I feel like an ebike that could go 75mph but also let you cap it at 25 for paths etc would be best. Have pedals that will come out if you want to bike + pedal assist unless dead battery and it'd be great.
What id love to see is a very cheap durable and reliable e bike. No extras, such as gadgets and extra costs. Something almost anyone could afford. Also with pedals.
I've never heard of these before I thought "Hey it would be cool if something like that existed" and checked myself. I'd consider that a real failure of marketing. I'm not cool with the tech integration as its likely a front for data harvesting and locking in first party repairs. If the tech were running on something free & open sourced I'd feel differently. Since as far as I can tell this is still a niche market for enthusiasts, I'd like to encourage you all to spend your money on the offerings that lead us down the least dystopian time line in terms of users rights and sustainability. I think this would solve a lot of problems if it were developed alongside railways which were designed with the ability to transport bikes between cities and possibly offer charging. That would bypass a lot of the safety concerns re: sharing highways with cars. Can't blame someone for fantasizing I guess.
I'm pretty confident it should go both ways, the more people this appeals to and the more people on board with it the more efficient this tech can become and at the same time more popular because of that
It's crazy how previously underdeveloped countries are going to see in the next 10-50 years better QoL than the US just due to infrastructure improvements and how they can more readily adopt them. People here refuse to redevelop land, refuse to abandon their cars, and generally refuse to change their outdated ways of life that they've gotten used to.
what is a good e-bike for rural areas? something that prioritizes range and torque to go as far as possible and make it up large hills or over rough terrain and stuff like that.
These budget electrics are available in China because buyers there are likely using them as daily drivers, errand runners/grocery-getters ....generally in lieu of a car or second car. Relatively low purchase cost, ease of use and less storage needs are important. There is probably a BIG market in small cities and bigger towns for low maintenance, inexpensive personal transportation with just a little more speed and endurance than a "classic" e-bike. Not the same demand here (yet) .... so they aren't profitable enough to market and ship to the US.
I think the BEST option is the simplest, so both of the featured modes, retrofitted gas scooter and Teslafied from the ground up are not as appealing to me as adding battery powered motors to existing bicycle concepts. The perfect solution IMO is something that can be quickly attached (and detached) to almost any bicycle ONLY WHEN I WANT IT, charges quickly and easily, and stores in a clean, compact way when not in use.
None of those moped looking e-bikes are for pedaling. Seat is too wide, they aren’t ergonomic to pedal. I don’t like any of them, just looks like a wannabe motorcycle.
@@EBikeBuilder_ main reason I really don't want one is can't attach rear racks and trailers that attach to seat post. Mainly because I want a specific trailer that can hold 450 pounds that attaches to seatpost.
I think both styles will continue to be made. I would like to see all the handlebar instrumentation moved to a connected HUD system in your helmet. Give this the ability to integrate with your phone and any other wearable tech. This would have the additional benefit of encouraging helmet use.
Those are not bicycles. They are an electric moped. A bicycle has a frame with four trapezoidal tubes. These do not, they are a step through moped for street commuting.
bi·cy·cle /ˈbīsəkəl/ noun a vehicle composed of two wheels held in a frame one behind the other, propelled by pedals and steered with handlebars attached to the front wheel.
So.... an electric motorcycle. Those exist. And every year are getting better. We already have things like the Damon hypersport providing a 200mile range, sub 3 second 0-60 and a top speed of 200mph. Now, if you are looking for something that fits the E-bike niche, but is looks and rides like a motorcycle, then look no further than the Super Soco TC. Classic styling, 28mph and 30m range.
Here in Miami lot of kids go to school on electric scooter. You’re see adults on e-bikes more and more every day . Gas scooters is starting to become more popular also with new comers from South America.
There's going to have to be more of a division between "ebike" bicycles and "ebike" motorcycle/scooters. You can't have heavier/larger ebikes using the same bike lanes and multi use paths as regular/slower bicycle and pedestrians. I ride my ebike all year round, like a regular bicycle and it annoys me when someone rides their electric scooter down the paths where they're not supposed to be. For the larger electric scooter/motorcycles to be feasible, they're going to need a higher speed of at least 30 mph or 50 km/h so they can keep up with traffic in town. If they can do that then also expect they're going to be treated like a moped/motorcycle and require registration and insurance (hopefully at a much lower rate). I know people like their free ride but people throttling around on their fast, cheap ebikes at no other cost, without a licence is unlikely and probably not reasonable and those people probably make up a small percentage of ebike riders anyway just as motorcycle riders do... riding a bike as your daily driver is just not that convenient. Where i live they've had a pilot project for rental scooters in part of the city but you're still not allowed to ride scooters everywhere and you can't have an ebike with a throttle. The only ebikes allowed on the road and bike paths are class 1 which allows a max of 20 mph / 32 km/h and i think that's plenty fast for a bicycle; the speed limit on most bike trails now is 20 km/h
I ride a unlocked xclass 52 v and I can go 40mph stock all I did is put the code in through the display. Full suspension a ok headlight. I can’t complain
