Eboni K. Williams Defends Her Comments About Mediocrity on The Breakfast Club 

I just said the SAME thing, His body language spoke volumes, It was louder than the conversation itself!!

He had such negative simp energy over there pouting

@@keelhe893exactly he’s always like that with BW straight envious/jealous

Thank you - I was watching on my tv and had to break out the iPad DJ Envy obviously was ready to fight because of how he feels about his parents and what they did for him WHILE BEING AVERAGE WORKING CLASS… Ebony is def on point and she made the same point over and over and over again! Some men can’t handle a strong and intelligent woman outside the bedroom…he’s definitely 🤡’ing.

What are the odds he told someone to get a better job, that was serving him... To try to embarrass them... 🙄🙄🙄

She can talk all this empowerment talk but that wasn't what she originally meant. There is a life value and a sexual value. In sexual value ms eboni is closer to the average she hates so muvh

She ain't said nothing.

​@@pobj6723 Her sexual value is average to you, because you are probably a colorist like most black men! I bet you don't say trashy white women are average do you?

​@@edwhilt Iyanla and you ain't said nothing!

@@pobj6723 the idea that you believe that sexual value and life value are equal speaks to the lack of education she pointed out using factual statistics. If saying “oh she’s not sexually attractive” makes you feel better about making 1/8 of what she makes, fine. But that doesn’t change the fact that you focus on the superficial because she has what men like you wish they had, which is money and status 😂😂😂. And you trying to brainwash women to equating the two will not be sustainable when the facts come into play.

THANK YOU!

NO, Envy is standing up for the people that support his business

What’s wrong with that?

Fax

Mediocre has two definitions. She meant of low quality in her original statement but today she wanna say average lmao

It's all relative. Depending on the average income of the folks she's in the room with a woman worth $2million can be mediocre. If she in a room with Oprah, she's the mediocre.

*The funny part about it is that she look mediocre. Men value the physical of a woman not money and success. I wouldn't want to wife this regular looking chick anyway. She only qualify for a good smash* 🤷🏾

‼️ eboni k Williams is CORRECT. I'mma put my business on front Street I only make $20 an hour and I agree with everything this woman is saying. Y'all dudes are weak. Just because you're a nice person someone is supposed to take you in no matter your conditions ⁉️ stop acting like y'all would date a homeless nice person. People have a right to their standards. When you're trying to be an entrepreneur you are advised by experts to surround yourself around alike individuals. You don't think it's extremely important/necessary for that alike individual to be your sexual/life partner. If a woman told me I have to get my bread up before being in her life I wouldn't be mad. Just like I wouldn't expect a homeless woman to be mad at me if I tell her she has to upgrade her life if she wants to be with me. Y'all are weak and emotional.

Her initial comment and frame was in regards to men as a whole. The pivot to black men was her changing the conversation and moving the goal post

Bingo. #noexcuses

Lol why is it that when Kevin Samuels used statistics to point to black women's mediocrity such as obesity, it was suddenly feelings matter and how you say it matters. But with Eboni apparently only the numbers matter and who cares if the way you say it hurts feelings?

She is so sneaky. She change the story around . She had a white man

@@RKG5A5 My Brother

Very inspiring proud of you!

You don’t have a problem with what she said because you aren’t a bum with one source of income❤️

Everybody don't want to be a owner

I Can see that if this was a woman who pursued black men.. This lady pursued white men her entire life and now that she is 40 and single this is all black mens fault? She tryna scape goat men into feeling like its our fault when the stats say Black men lead black women in everything .. Smh this is just crazy

Yea but you weren’t complacent, you did what you had to do to get where you wanted to be.. at no point would I have called you or what you had to do was mediocre.. good luck witcha training G 🤝

Yea but a lot BM don't hear that though. They don't know how to read between the lines and get offended by everything that could implemented as constructive criticism

The Black women that don't push black men to be better usually are the ones that pity black men bc they don't believe they can do better. So really, Eboni clearly cares more about yall which is why she's saying to step it up.

Good stuff bro! The interviewers were horrible.

🤣😂🤣

Yes. At the same time she does not need to prove anything. We are all allowed to have our preferences. If it's not hurting someone else who cares?

What’s average? Being middle class is average? This trash woman is below average as a human being and that’s what matters the most.

I'm one-hundred-percent in agreement with her but we got off topic I thought the topic was why didn't she date black men

​@@brotherman1363 She never said. That was never the discussion. Envy was just deflecting because he was feeling beige rage and thinking with emotions and not logic

Yes!!

Finally somebody who actually gets it

“our progression as a people”? Who tf is “our” and what does “as a people” mean

She is a hypocrite. She is saying that Envy is emotional and therefore not receiving the message. Then she turns around and shits on Chris Rock because she is in her feelings as a black woman and what Chris said about Jada...

⁠Very much

Agreed

Yes!

I agree. When my children attended school C,D,F was unacceptable in my home. Period…..

🎯🎯🎯 The one thing I’ve learned in life are these words… “It is not personal, it’s business”. Personal will have you stuck in your feelings and when you FINALLY get out of your feelings, life done ran right through you.

@@girlygirllocssoul agreed!

I thought it was just me. I love the breakfast club but this conversation just hit different for some reason. I was soo mad it ended lol

And we agree. But the problem is, that’s not the argument. The argument is broke men get rejected, but broke women still get a man.

@@showmecreationsmultimedia FACTS… she literally said people with average jobs had c and d for grade point average.

@Show Me Creations the black community will NEVER thrive and be at the top of the totel pole without black men. She is ultimately pushing black men to seek power and ownership. The first step in that direction, according to most people, will always be education. What is wrong with that?

All of that has nothing to do with her original statement

​@@showmecreationsmultimediashe still ain't dating the bus driver

Well said!

So true. My uncle was a bus driver and raised two kids plus me. His two kids have PHDs. I have two degrees myself.

Very true black folks use to think that way but we've gotten lost in the benefits we've come to earn for the most part after the civil and voting rights movements we need to get back to reality about what's going on

It wasn’t. He wanted a moment. Do you believe that he would advocate for his daughters to date/marriage the bus driver.

Nah this can’t be the excuse 400 years from slavery. Black men have been running that excuse into the GROUND. Get off y’all asses and stop making excuses. The community will continue to suffer until ALL of its members get their shit together. Until then individuals need to do what they need to do regardless of what the community does.

Yes I'm like why are people playing crazy. Like she doesn't keep answering the questions. And talking in circles. I would have been so frustrated with em! It was like they weren't listening,and just saying anything. Lol

Maybe it don't make sense to them..explaining don't mean anything if it doesn't make sense

@@jeffmorency3224 true.

She is double talking and what she is saying doesn’t make sense. She is saying if you don’t settle for one job and maximize your skills then you are not mediocre but at the same time there are several broke people with tons of hustles and streams of income but they are not making good money. I guarantee she will consider them mediocre. She wouldn’t date a bus driver that owned the bus if he wasn’t profitable.

@@gtsound12 She's allowed to have her personal standard, she minimized that part of the conversation because the bigger issue for her is the conversation around settling for mediocrity. And if there are several broke people with several streams of income then obviously they're not optimizing their potential. At the end of the day, she said she's not the ruler for what mediocrity is, define that for yourself!

Good for you! Wait till a couple years from now when women start dominating the work space because men decided to get in their feelings and not step up.

He really kept bringing up his father lol like huh 😂

The same men who call women emotional. I'm surprised he didn't cry or storm out like he did with desus and mero

🤦🏾

So only C average students have working class jobs???? Boy, the need for a woman to be right never ceases to amaze me lmao. Yall blast Kevin Sameuls for his tone and delivery..... go back and look at that video and see just who much of a hypocrite yall be

Speak for yourself when you say we then maybe maybe lol

Yes I agree

Question: if the role was reversed and a man said what she said, would you feel the same way she does🤔🤔🤔🤔

@@demetreusross5150 absolutely not

Right???

um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously

@@Uneducatedcapitalistwhere did you see that

@@roselynholloway7863 google it. she admitted it. she was on housewives but she had neither a house nor was she a wife.

um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously

This!!!

Fax !

Good speech Gandhi

I don’t pay attention to entertainers, what grassroots work have she did? Instead of complaining about black men?

So Albert Einstein was mediocre?

Agreed! This is how I’m raising my 2 daughters. One will be graduating and going to college in 2024. She already understands the assignment. Standards, boundaries and expectations! It’s just that simple.

Probably because a lot of women get money and let it go to their head trying to treat the man like a child

You hear of this happening all the time. That's why so many of these anti Eboni comments are coming from the men. They resent a woman of her stature saying what she said. - Especially a Black woman!

Men aren't insecure because you make more money It's your attitude you're probably masculine and treat them like shit

Women earn less than man so this is really pointless because black women earn less. Than black men and white. Women earn less than white men

Great questions 👏🏾 I would love answers

Um, dj envy wouldn't let his daughters marry a bus driver who is happy being a bus driver. Nobody else is told to settle but black women.

Envy aint feeling her..virgo energy on full display

​@@peachesandpoets dating a bus driver is not settling if you are in the same income bracket. And that what Kevin samuals was saying . Women who only make 50,000 a year saying they don't want to settle. It not settling to date in your class bracket. And if you like eboni and are a millionaire it different. She not asking for anything she not doing herself

He conflating the issue and by his own word. He didn’t watch the full clip.

Speak on it!!!!!

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂😂 I saw that😂😂😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

She’s wrong. It is about class, and because she is of a low social class, she’s single She’s said she doesn’t know her father and it effects how she views men. She’s 40 and argumentative. Socially, she’s not attractive to men of decent or high status

this feels like the infamous dame dash interview. seemed controversial at first but now dame was right in the end

Eboni is part of the problem. Where's her family at? The richest people in the world are families, people only talk about the individual billionaires on Forbes to confuse you. Every race and nationality that has done well in the states and actually has a piece of the American pie are families and cultures that are derived from those families. The biggest problem black people face(mostly black women) is not having traditional family values. Families make a community and build a nation. The worst thing that can happen is that a woman priorities a career and puts creating and nurturing a family on the back burner. It's a multi level catastrophic loss. The woman enriches the power structure by spending her time and efforts there, the children raise themselves which is never good, the women give away the families wealth to fast food/eating out(which are many multi million and multi billion dollar institutions) this also opens the door for health problems that shorten lifespan and quality of life, the woman is likely to have less kids or no kids at all(meaning population growth and voting power is stagnant or declining), the men become weak because of the ease of sex with working women using birth control to adopt a sex in the city lifestyle, and one the worst things to ever happen is that black women don't care about babies anymore and became the number one killer of black life through abortion. All of these things are the result of women and their choices to pursue careers and reject traditional female culture. They want black women to pursue careers because that keeps the community distracted and in constant chaos. The women would nurture the whole community by healing with food, providing care and medicine, empathy, teaching, and encouraging. This would boost morale, keep violence to a minimum, and more importantly take care of the man who will have to sacrifice his health and energy to build a better future for the next generation, along with leading, protecting, and providing for the current one.

​@@seedking40 ohhh but we wus kangssss! Just because you call youreself a king doesnt mean you are one. Your comment is of a JOKER not a king🤣🤣🤣 here's a mediocre black man who instead of picking a bone with his absent father, somehow blames his mother for stepping up to provide for her family and raising her family the best she can on her OWN. That's what selflessness is. She cared way more for you than she should have. You resent your mother and you should direct all this negative energy towards yourself, your absent father, and your homies

@@seedking40 Her mom was a bus driver so maybe she’s retired now

Very true...

One side had facts and the other was all feeling

Yes I loved the commentary

True

@@joka5345 And it wasn’t Eboni 👏🏾 !!! I love that for us

Exactly! Dude is getting all emotional, going by other people's comments rather than taking the time to actually listen to the original interview. 🙄 It was a welcome relief once he finally stopped talking!

Why is he crying like that? lmao

another suckers wallet

Yikes, attack dog, wouldn’t even let her talk! What was that?

Are you talking about the same Eboni that was building with the white man she was dating for 4 years, after the relationship failed then she run back to the black community talking about black ownership & building with blkmen. You clowns will believe anything ppl say.

Well said.

Which is the most pathetic crap I've ever heard. So a woman that decides to be successful, should expect to be alone, because her male peers can't keep up? That's STUPID. That's a huge problem. This community has get to STOP coddling lazy mfs.

That’s deep

Exactly.

Why does it have to be one or the other? There are black men that are up to the standards that she prefers. Her complaint is that there just isn’t enough of them. We as a society should strive for more ownership of property, land and businesses. We should have more conversations about building generational wealth and not living paycheck to paycheck. The sad thing is most of us are intimidated by this kind of life.

We are all mediocre to somebody.

We all mediocre in reality. We all average normal people. The top 1 and 5 percent are that for a reason. There is nothing wrong with average it’s actually the norm

@@sacresolace3669 She's 40 years old still looking for a man(clearly cant find anyone in "her tax bracket" and talked about buying sperm... At some point, you have to hold yourself accountable and know IT'S YOUR FAULT. Throwing insults to the same people that watch your shows and make you rich is the dumbest most arrogant thing

@@sacresolace3669 Mediocrity implies a negative though. Average doesn't and needs more context to be bad. No one is above dating someone average, but i'm sure nobody would EVER say they settle for mediocrity....

Working an average job and being an average person is by definition mediocre there’s nothing wrong with it but there’s nothing extraordinary either

You mean the same way you get in your feelings when you hear the harsh truth that 4 out of 5 black women are overweight, 1/2 of them have an STD. Not to mention 70% of our kids being born out of wedlock which combines for a whole lot of women who dont qualify for the type of men they desire?

I would be curious to hear your stance on Kevin Samuels? He was focused on the message and not feelings at all. He would call black women fat (statistically accurate) in an effort to improve our communities health standards while encouraging us to do better. Black women chose to focus on him calling them fat instead of the message. It seems with Eboni women are willing to ignore that the way she said things may have hurt the feelings of men. So do feelings matter in the message or no?

These females only care when they look good.

Oh gawd! A couple of kittens in here bringing up stats that actually reflects bad on the males in the demographic. Why are bw overweight? Why do bw have the highest std rate? Lets reduce down to the actual root causes. Because i want to know why you all think bm are the most illiterate and least employed? Honestly, none of it matters because this next generation of bw have no chill! They dont even want to engage with bm with 5 rubbers, and a 20ft pole!

We don't care about fake pro-black bedwench kuun.

Men have preferences all the time, she can have one too.

@@Nash0303 RIGHT!!! Since when do men care about “hurting feelings” 😂

What hurt them most? The fact that she called certain jobs and grades mediocre, or their realization that they have accepted mediocrity over greatness in work and school?

If her statement hurt you you need to level up.

@@50esq65 Sis spoke the truth and was getting dragged for ratings bc of the facts that she stated. Too many Black Folk want their ears tickled! They are hearing "what they want to hear" and twisted her words and tag-teaming her and over-speaking as she was talking. #SAD . It's a truly sad person that lives their lives by their feelings with little to no standards! I agree with her 200%

It’s dangerous to treat feelings like facts. And a little stupid lol.

“Let’s not skip a beat.” Sis got new fan today!!! Home girl was masterful. Even if you don’t agree with her, the fact that she owned this discussion must be acknowledged.

@@anime-nn9kl She didn’t. She clearly moved the goal post. There’s nothing wrong with her having a preference but what she CLEARLY said and meant was that a guy with a “regular” job was basically beneath her. And that’s fine if that’s how she feels but she needs to stand on that. Thats all.

@@anthonycruz1064 Yes she did own it. No one on the panel came close to articulating their ideas as clearly, concisely or effectively as Eboni did. I don’t care if she thinks bus drivers are beneath her, or even if she was flat out lying, she did so masterfully. That’s all I’m saying.

She cleared the room straight with no chaser.

She didn't put down any blue collar workers. She talked about the "job" itself.

Apparently, your university didn't teach you much in listening comprehension.

There skill sets are average doesn’t have anything to do with who/ how you were raised please separate the two that’s why you went to college so you could gain skills there were not average

She doesn’t have to date a bus driver

These mfers just want to be rite....she was talking some bs period...u made a good point my boi

Which is what Iyanla was trying to get at and she still missing it. She gonna be single forever at this rate 🙄

​@Chinky Ke She isnt objective. She is defensive and insecure and behaving as though she is saying things we havent been talking about for years

​@chinkyke8266 I mean they are not wrong...the ladies on panel definitely challenged her thinking...especially at the end about her being an entertainer...pay close attention to how Eboni responded...she is a entertainer and def wants her word to be heard...and I feel that in that moment and clip, things backfired.

Forreal tho if you are yourself are striving for excellence, not accepting anything less than that for yourself, family and daughters, why should (who has already achieved excellence, not also strive snd choose excellence, why should i be comfortable with mediocre & mediocre isn’t bad but mediocre is not excellence & whatever isn’t excellence i dont want it, you can het caught up in the semantics or emotions of that, that os entirely your personal problem not mine. Im with eboni on this. Like i should settle for less? would you?

@@ghostsinger4975 Exactly. Some people want you to settle because they want to be comfortable with the bare minimum. Honestly in this economy you can’t afford to be. 28K can’t even pay your rent. I mean most of us just want atleast all our bills paid, a nice home and car, and some extra cash to travel and splurge here and there. How is that asking for to much and shaming?

Do you make 100k or more no lol

all i hear is hypergamy 🤣

@@OfficialJessicaMarie Choosing to remain single while most black women make 30-40K when if they got married to another “average” black man could double their household income is insane.

She said the representation that y'all get, but ok, lol

She did. People committed to misunderstanding will do so. Let them have it lol.

💯

No she did not have a point at all.

​ then you have a lot to learn

Exactly‼️‼️💯💯

Still offensive to call someone's job mediocre. That should be clear as day but obviously she doesn't get it

Clear as day. 💯

@@flame984 it's the truth. if you're offended deep inside you know you need to level up. it's actually good.

She *LIED* about the dictionary definition of *mediocre/mediocrity* Here is what the Merriam-Webster says:  Did you know? People interested in words always point out that mediocrity doesn't mean quite what its main root would indicate: Why doesn't it describe something that's right in the middle of the pack, exactly what you would expect? Instead the words mediocrity and mediocre always suggest disappointment. A mediocre play is one you wish you hadn't wasted an evening on, and the mediocre actor in it should probably find another profession. A person can even be called a mediocrity, though it isn't very nice and you'd never do it to his face.

Me TOO- totally agree

Maturity was real in this moment cause I AINT GOT IT.....

Yes. Because I would have left. Envy gets on my nerves.

Haha so y out would leave a conversation because you didn’t hear what you want ? Very mature lol

@@Forsaken860 Hahaha!

And rude to guests or pouting

his behavior was horrid in this debate

Because he has a poor vocabulary and communication skills- when he can’t keep up he gets riled up.

How ? He barely spoke

​@@f58534 look at his face and posture. Nonverbal is just as powerful as verbal.

I appreciated it too. I just would like our people to emote from sound bites. We need to be more prepared to handle and focus on context. We miss a lot when we get mad from a 60 sound bite.

OUR PEOPLE? IT SHOULD BE ALL.

@Get Money & Chill Yea she was wayyy off. And she totally backtracked. Talk about spinning a narrative.

​@@getmoneychill6462 Exactly. Makes no damn. Sense. Her book is called "Bet on Black" but she herself is literally doing the opposite.

@Kuro Kaizen And when she talked sh*t about the Bus Drivers, I guarantee you she was envisioning a BLACK bus driver, not a Chad.

She side stepped that question like the Matrix, too. Lol

That was stupid..

The funny thing about that is, she posting her book up bet on black LOL😂 She didn't bet on black when she married that white dude and engaged to the other one LOL

Exactly, but when she needs that money for her book, though.

Reading the comments, no one else caught this. Just a bunch of sheep. She’s code switching and gas lighting.

OMG you the only one that caught that I feel sorry for my people looking at these comments its mind blowing 🤦🏾‍♂️🚶🏾

@@enybrooklyn5482 it’s so disappointing. Envy was right but Eboni got everyone with the “black peoples unite” narrative and they all fell for it. The pompous look of disgust and indignation on her face from the original video was all that I needed to see. She used her lawyer skills to spin it and gaslight the masses. If someone needed this arrogant woman to tell them to aspire for more then they have issues.

I’m glad you caught it cuz a lot of other people in the comments missed it

Eboni was asked if she would date a bus driver, and she answered the question.

I highly doubt that because if that were the case your mother wouldn't have even looked at your father because he didn't own the post office or the school. Yes, what eboni is saying is absolutely true but she's moving the goal post. She's spewing statistics and numbers as if that had ANYTHING to do with building a romantic relationship with a man. People forget she's a lawyer. She knows how to talk and displacing the subject at hand.

Your parents will not agree with Eboni because her mindset and her language directly shits on what your parents did as a profession. Your mother didn’t sit down waiting for a guy that owned everything. She was humble and married your dad and I’m sure they lived happy lives. The problem is that Eboni is about to hit 40 and she will never have the happy family life filled with love that your mother had.

​@dialac1 no it doesn't. People just love to be offended and they listen to respond instead of understand. That lady knows her parents and here you are telling her what her parents wouldn't agree on

@@Mrderful You responded to what you wanted to respond to. This person said their parents knew they were average and wanted above average for their child. Sounds like this person parents were evenly yolked so why would the mom not consider the dad when they both were in the same tax bracket? Eboni on the other hand is a lawyer and a self made millionaire, why would she date a postal worker?

I’m crying because isn’t envy the same guy that said he wouldn’t send his kids to public schools because public schools don’t “breed millionaires”? You can’t make this up😂

Bam!

I agree. But like you stated, I also agree with letting people stay where they are.

@Princess BC Everyone cannot go where you are going, and everyone cannot see what you see. Godspeed to everyone.

@@teracarter This is so true. Cause I want to be a millionaire, but I also know I'm not doing what I need to do to get there. I'm not blaming anybody and I'm good with my 6 figures. Godspeed to you too.

FACTS!!!!!!

She misrepresented a bunch of facts

@@MrMeToo-fh7pe IMO; I believe the main message was about levelling up & creating generational wealth within the black community, that to me is spitting pure facts!

@@dessya7474 For instance out of 250 major cities, black women in only 22 of those cities are earning more than men .. so what about the 200 + other cities BM are earning more.???? they also add the men working in jails for super-low wages to skew those stats. its disingenuous when women get on these platforms n act like women are outpacing men , its simply not true. BM earn about $3,500 more a year than BW... and w lest debt.

​@Justy B Well then why not just say No I wouldn't date a bus driver unless or because then what you posted

Right! I agreed with him!

Faxx💯💯

Tired of our people gettin put down💯🙏🏾

Envy is rich, he agrees,they probably all laughed after. You think Envy’s wife would date an average man after Envy God forbid they divorced? He’s just pandering to his audience.

​@Sydney Thompson he came up in that class as well as his wife I mean they came up together he speaks on that a lot

So why did you stop being a bus driver ?

@@RalphSingl95 Did it for 7 years then went to get a mechanic diploma but it was bad for my health as a young man.

She never said she think working class people r shit. She just said she ain’t want to date a bus driver 🤷🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️

@@uncaged172 so basically you went to better yourself and your way of living ?

@@uncaged172 no disrespect but what did you disagree with? Mta bus drivers make enough money to be upwardly mobile. Idk anyone who necessarily enjoyed driving a bus, it takes a toll on your body and your stuck in a job dealing with the public for 30 years.

Hahaha I did the sameee thing! I’m like there is no way in hell that’s the definition! N sure enough… she picked out what served her enology

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She thinks she's smarter than everyone else but she's not smart enough to know when to shut up

“Mediocre” has always been defined as “below average”

Shiiid it sounds like she echoed the same shit KS was saying right? Didn’t he say BW was average, below average, etc..fuk outta here..y’all get on my same nerves..

It's called equality. Women wanted it, so here it is. She made it something that she didn't mean, and got mad that she was called out on it.

@@sdb1218 That's not how "equality" works, sir. 🙄 Learn to listen.

​@@sdb1218 Yes and most women are doing better sooo....

@@LUX_8 that's your best response? You know I'm right, lol.

She is very disrespectful. The women who are agreeing with her Are single women or who have bad relationships

He spoke up for the bums dragging the community down. This is why successful members of the community need to leave y’all in the ghetto where y’all want to stay so bad

Yes he did 🎉

I said the same damn thing in different context 💯

Envy wasn't having it today.... Kudos to him

How did he wake up on the RIGHT side of history when BW already have a history of making more money than BM? BW have always dated and married down, due to the BM's statue in this country. Of the BW college grads 60% of them are financially supporting the household. Where is the other 30% coming from? And Yet a multi millionaire BW is being told to consider the bus driver? Even Envy sent his daughter to a private school when he got the money.

Egggxactly, thats why the conversation got heated. Tryna mix sugar with salt. It started off as her preferences (which was fine) to her saying she just trying to uplift and motivate black people 🤔

💯 I was thinking the same thing. I agree with uplifting but that’s not the convo she started with. IMO

That’s interesting. I think the conversation ties together. I also feel like envy mostly wanted her to respond to how she offended people so that’s where it kind of pivoted.

But she's changing what she said to sound better.

@@crimsonbandit3511 I’m trying to listen again to hear where you’re coming from but I don’t hear it. I think it’s the same message. Maybe the tone changed?

I absolutely love the show and the energy it gave. Informative, insightful, productive, powerful, and exciting at the same dang time

She said a whole bunch of nothing! Hats off to envy & Shame on Charla for pandering for his friends 😅

@@TopShotta2.23 per usual

Repeat for what?? 😂

Y’all giving mediocre😂😂

This was her purpose ❤

Girlllllll me too!!! I’m a teacher and she got me thinking about how I can elevate!

Gurl, I'm here with you!

This is why she alone with no relationships 🤷‍♂️and resulted to a sperm donor. She’s a self centered psycho who can’t never accept being wrong or something not going her way 👎. Everything is about her. “Can’t say no to my baby girl” mentally raised and overspoiled syndrome

She answered it plenty. The answer is that black women don't have to settle for a fucking thing when no other race is asked to.

@peachesandpoets Using the word settle is foolish. None of you are special enough to settle. Nobody wants black women. Sorry.

​​@@peachesandpoets and that is why most will only be good for the stroke but not the isle. Overlooking your blessing that the Average man can provide. A regular working man is not settling in real life. Period! And she and anyone who agrees is out of pocket and out of touch with reality. Find someone you can build with together, or... Keep reaching and expecting the 1% of men and end up alone,

@@michaelthomas4249 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

This is a low value topic ...Running a Fortune 500 company is a thought-provoking conversation...never a relationship topic!

She sounds like a back peddler

Yes 👍🏽

um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously

Faxx

She definitely tried to move the goal post. All that talk about white supremacy and black folks settling for mediocrity was her changing the goal post. Iyanla asked her a question specific to her and she made it about black people being mediocre! Don't speak about the so called "mediocre" folks...you ain't trying to date them anyway! Thank you Envy for calling her out! Her demeanor is rude and arrogant.

She wasn't. She justified what average was and the average person didn't like being called average. She had to explain it a few for ppl to get out of their feelings. It insecurity on the average people.

​@Dee Rich Facts, red rag to a bull when she started talking that whyte supremacy bull. She was disgusted at the thought of dating a bus driver. The bus driver was beneath her due to his salary. Iyanla didn't even call the bus driver black - Eboni is the person who made this a race debate. It's quite obvious that they men she believes she qualifies for, don't want her. They'd rather somebody young and more feminine (she confesses she is masculine).

Yep. All they heard was the word mediocre and their feelings took over. Everything said after that was nonexistent to them. Part of maturity is being able to disengage your feelings and accept constructive criticism.

Exactly. I was not falling for it.

Big facts

Man y'all men just hurt by her comments. Everybody has a preference damn this world sensitive

@@goldteethpoohproductions2707 Lmao nah see. I personally think she has the right message, just at the wrong time. Not a single soul gave af that she wouldn’t date a bus driver, she’s rich, if her preference is rich, that only makes sense. The part where I got turned off is when as soon as she started taking heat for her comments, instead of just clearing up what she meant for HER preference? She got in her feelings (as she accused everyone in the room of) and got in her lawyer bag to create a case for her defense, and she did so by pulling stats about the black community. Is she right about wanting better for the culture? 100% yes. …but nobody on earth asked her about wanting better for the culture. They just said “would you date a bus driver” and “no” would’ve been fine, but her follow up statements landed her here

@@drace8291 no the conversation here was WHY she made that statement. Why she wouldn't date a bus driver. Now since she is a highly educated woman, her reasoning isnt as shallow as , because its not enough money nd blahblahblah , her reasonin is rooted in the fact that she feels it's average and gave statistics and information on how that can be harmful to our community. She is literally just telling you why she doesn't want to date a bus driver. The answer is more profound which is why she was able to speak so passionately because this is something she has studied and it's literally her job to try to teach and educate

Perfectly said 🎯

Yep

I agree..her heart is in the right direction..just bougie the way it's coming off

*Men don't value a woman's success anyway. She's a regular looking chick. What she desires in a man doesn't matter because she only qualifies for a good 1 night smash*

Exactly!!...She's talking out of both sides of her mouth...She's trying to come off as Pro-Black and also come off as an Elitist at the same time...And you can't insult and uplift "your people" at the very same time!!!

The problem is you should feel value and pride in the job you have. She doesn't talk about how immigrants have extended family dynamics that Americans don't have.

Thank you, someone that gets it; these comments are vibrating so low. Black excellence is about raising your personal bar, I don't get why she's being crucified?

I don't know you

I totally agree with what she is saying also. Ppl are just in there feelings so looking over the whole point.

First off, with the type of grammar you have, if you work for the government they need to fire you. 2nd, there is no reason to judge someone’s income based off their occupation. There are hedge fund brokers who change their careers due to stress. Occupation is NOT a determination of someone’s wealth. Seek therapy

You must be yellow

Two things are true: black people shouldn’t settle although that’s easier said than done considering the systemic racism we face, 2. she was also insulting. Even in this interview she continued to juxtapose being a bus driver as a settlement assuming that a bus driver must have other ambitions which continues to suggest that being a bus driver is “less than” and not enough.

@@jtrippjr can we agree that the qualifications to be a bus driver are average or mediocre, at best? That’s the point. The person driving the bus can be exceptional, but is driving the bus all that you are and all that you can do?

@@teeblack2875 we don’t know the circumstances that could cause someone to drive a buss and then they end up loving it and are content with it. Bus drivers in Atlanta make upwards $23/24 an hour. That’s not mediocre. I’ve hired accountants that earn less than that. Let’s be clear, the frustration with Eboni is not that anyone should settle but who says being a bus driving is settling and let’s remember, this conversation started from her energy about the idea of dating a buss driver, not that he wanted to remain one. While what she’s saying is true, it’s muddying the waters and once you strip all the noise down, at the end of the day, she belittled bus drivers. Her energy said it, her words said it and she doubled down on it here. And as someone who’s made six figures and hasn’t made it, I didn’t marry someone because they made what i made or had the same level of career i have. i married someone that was down for me, loved me unconditionally, and was good to me. If i judged my spouse based on what she said, then I would have skipped out on the best thing. Lastly, my uncle retired as a buss driver, married for over 35 years, and has bought my aunt houses and cars and everything else. So being a bus driver is not mediocre by a long shot. It depends on the man driving the bus. Based on her logic, then most of working class America is out here settling. Cause I’m sure she wouldn’t date an insurance agent, a Walmart manager, a nurse either based on her logic. All of those are mediocre jobs. Based on her dictionary definition. “Standard, average and mediocre” - nothing exceptional - standard.

@@jtrippjr they keyword you used is “content”. Content means it’s “enough”. If it’s enough for the person driving the bus then that’s fine. That’s the person she is NOT wanting to date. It’s not belittling. I think the words were definitely harsh, blunt, matter of fact, and to the point, but very true. Those are average jobs. The people can be exceptional, your uncle for example, but that doesn’t change the fact that the jobs are average or basic and there’s nothing wrong with wanting a person who’s perusing more and isn’t content because it makes them happy.

The problem is society labels Career and money based on gender like it’s 1900s, when in 2023 it’s all about mental and skills. Degrees and certifications *NO major high paying job is exclusive to men because of their physical strength* the wall street and tech guys are tiny sticks🤷‍♂️

Listen she ain’t dating or married to a a rich Nigga herself 🤷🏾‍♂️

I agree with your first sentence being the real reason most people are in an uproar.

Well said

@@johnnyboyjt8909Who cares about physical strength lol

She’s playing over aggressive to compensate for the fact that she doesn’t have a strong point. Lawyers do it all the time. She can’t equate bus drivers with C and D students. She also can’t equate college with higher income. Like they say in the lawyer world, “If you got the law on your side, argue the law. If you got the facts on your side, argue the facts. If you don’t have either one, argue your ass off.”

Shes over aggressive because Envy started attacking her over people's feelings instead of the point she was trying to make. He didn't come up for air for a few minutes 😂. All in all this is a necessary (albeit tense) conversation.

I agree…. Her delivery is too prosecuter”ish”

She wasn't aggressive, yall just soft

She’s “lawyering” and Envy saw through it. Her calling average earning men mediocre with the tone she had has nothing to do with white supremacy or her granddaddy and whatever other shit she brought up.

Yes AMEN

I agree

@@EboniThompson-u4x He also stood up to Dame Dash

@@EboniThompson-u4x Because he stood up for the working class while also sharing words to grow. You can't talk down and as like it's hard truth and have nothing of real value in your words. Thats a smokescreen and I think how he explained moving up and working hard to earn for a family is more impactful.

@@EboniThompson-u4x nothing to do with being a woman or black…etc. just appreciate how he kept that same energy in person and made some really valid points. She did as well, which is expected with her background, but I think she made the conversation bigger than what it initially was, which should have been she has a certain standard for the type of man she wants to date. I don’t think anyone would’ve had a problem with that.

Respect 🙏🏿 to your mom 1st and foremost and respect to you for achievements and acknowledging your mom should get the praise 👏🏿 well done .

This is the exact point she is making. Our parents generation did not have the opportunity, they did what they could. But they worked hard so we can be better. Your mother did not work at Hardees so that you can work at Hardees too. She wanted better. That is the point Ebony is making. A lot of us have the opportunity to do better, but we do not. I would also like to mention that in our parents generation, 1945 and below, the cost of living was waaaay lower, so what is considered low paying today was not the case back then. You could buy a nice house and fully support a family on a bus driver's salary.

Thank you for sharing your fascinating story and congrats on your success! I think Eboni was only calling certain jobs average, mediocre, and not difficult to obtain. She didn't call any actual individuals mediocre....Just the jobs that they are either forced to work or settle for.

To you Dr. Would you date a bus driver nah you probably won’t.

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That part!!

Exactly. And that's why we will always be at the bottom.

Man this hit home. I currently work as a mail carrier. I remember the day i said nope ! I went back to school as a cca in my 2nd year. I have about 17 classes to complete for a bachelor of science in cybersecurity. I want to be where the money reside and also have leisure time to live. I watched so many older ppl tell me to get out now!! So many limping , mad, angry and CRAZY. A lot of ppl don’t understand this is not a regular job it is depressing and takes a toll on your body heavy. This is my 3 1/2 year mark I’m hoping to finish by next year as soon as i get that degree in hand maybe before I’m interviewing where ever i can. I got to go!!!! I know you know exactly what I’m mean.

I can agree with that

The problem is that this mindset is very individualistic. Everyone can't be an owner. Everyone can't be rich. We have to also let bm who work in warehouses and construction feel pride in themselves and not feel invisible.

@nkabyocz the most important thing is rich in character right. Woman in every demo go to school more than men. I work at a warehouse, I make 100k. Both my kids graduate hs this year. I'm an average man. I raised my boys right. They have bright futures. We have to let the men who doing the dirty work that the communities back stand on feel valued.

@@fanaticbox I get what you’re saying and congrats to you. But that is not the average or even common. And also she never said there was anything wrong with average. People put a negative connotation to it. I get that her message is “rude” but a lot of people in our community must hear it. There’s so many kids that don’t want to go to school, college, community college, trade school, anything for that matter and decide to do illegal activities to gain money. Then they promote it to others and then push it on to younger people. The cycle doesn’t end until we make an effort to end it.

For the first time Envy surprised me and come at it.

Absolutely 💯

He has no bone in this fight , he cheated on his wife for years . He has no character or integrity . It’s pathetic. He sees Eboni fault but not the moment he decided to cheat on his wife 😭

@@sacresolace3669 did his wife leave him . She didn’t they are still together. We are talking about working class people and you are the only clown 🤡 thinking about his personal life

​@Sacré Solace he already addressed him and his wife with books, TV shows, and radio shows.

TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!!! Envy stood UP and Grounded for us "Mediocre Average" people, all while holding himself together because you can tell he was getting highly offended and wanted to go in, but couldn't. Eboni (whack azz) did a LOT of back-peddling and her aggressive ("better than") tone didn't help much. And I loved how Envy clapped back at her with the "but your ex-fiance was white"... Eboni is a bunch of Horse S**t if you ask me, and that's why her azz is single and searching for love. She's dark and tainted on the inside and needs to seek some emotional healing.

‼️ eboni k Williams is CORRECT. I'mma put my business on front Street I only make $20 an hour and I agree with everything this woman is saying. Y'all dudes are weak. Just because you're a nice person someone is supposed to take you in no matter your conditions ⁉️ stop acting like y'all would date a homeless nice person. People have a right to their standards. When you're trying to be an entrepreneur you are advised by experts to surround yourself around alike individuals. You don't think it's extremely important/necessary for that alike individual to be your sexual/life partner. If a woman told me I have to get my bread up before being in her life I wouldn't be mad. Just like I wouldn't expect a homeless woman to be mad at me if I tell her she has to upgrade her life if she wants to be with me. Y'all are weak and emotional.

Envy need them bus drivers to drop off the average folks to his car carnivals.

@@cheese5851 😂😂😂

@@princeshine9062but why is success measured only by success income?

He sensing the BS

@@mikeillgaming4224 straight BS 😂

​@@mikeillgaming4224 exactly 💯 👍🏽🤣

He knew she was full of it. She should run for office. She got the saying a lot of nothing thing down.

It really is tragic. A lot of black women..credentialed or not are just as out of touch with reality. They will remain unmarried. Eboni had the opportunity to reinforce the gems inyanla provided as a guide to women and fostering healthy relationships and unions with black men.

I think you meant to say, "than" not "then".

@@independ4416 thanks for the English lesson Teach. Lol

I love this comment, and I am the same my mother did the same thing!!

Well sir. Do you want her? You seem to be available and meet her standards. Last I checked she was on the market and seeking a sperm donor. I’m sure nightly diners and travel would be so pleasureful with her. Question… with her mom being a bus driver and you growing up in a home of excellence, wouldn’t your mom want you to partner with someone with similar upbringing or would the mediocre job rub her the wrong way. “Our kind of people”

Dude you are part of a much bigger problem.

Fact

I stand with Ebony, the truth doesn't care about feelings, we just need to get it and improve as a community. We need to be exceptional and not settle for average.

Yea but we know who run the country an why we at the bottom we gotta war

You sound goofy as hell

😂

That's why she single, she talks and act like a man.

I am a alpha successful Black man. Oregon chemistry 🧪 degree 📜. Own land in Kenya 🇰🇪. Have homes in Oregon and Texas! Sales Engineer 👨‍💻 at Intel Corporation. Make 250k 5’8 165lbs. I can’t find a fit, feminine, childless, friendly and cooperative African American woman. Hence I am going back to Kenya 🇰🇪 or Ethiopia 🇪🇹 for a wife! So sad 😞 that only 1/4 African American women will ever marry. 75% of black kids are born out of wedlock! I am a Kappa and want a AA woman but they are mean , fat, masculine and think the are better than a AA man!

@@shyne1308 facts ! Imagine being married to Eboni she would want to peg her husband!

​@@shyne1308 Welp just hope she finds a woman on her level then and keep it pushing.

Whats missing is agood man...

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Facts. Her book is literally called "Bet on Black" but she herself is literally doing the opposite. Makes no damn. Sense.

But how did you Offend anyone by her words? The woman Read the definition to those words she used. Average, Mediocre, etc. So, it sounds like people wanted to get upset because the truth hurts. Average is Not bad and she repeatedly said there is Nothing wrong with average. She was speaking to those that Want and Desire More from their lives. I have a great job in healthcare and I want More out of my job and life, as I am Average within my level at this moment. It's not saying my job is average its more so Where I want to be and I am NOT there Yet, so I am living an average life, for me. She said if you're okay with C's and D's then God bless you. Everyone can't hold your hand and make sure your feelings don't get hurt. But it doesn't mean she can't or isn't uplifting people. She's stern and direction and in that space is her nurture. Everyone can't make things palpable like an Oprah or Gayle King.

What you said is true, but we have to create our own businesses as well. You make it seem like getting an education/trade or whatever will guarantee your success in this country, but we all know it won't due to racial discrimination. If you have ever worked in a corporation ran mostly by whites like I have then you know that qualifications, and being the best person for the job won't always get you where you want to be if you're black. Even when you do "get there" in these places you will often be taken through pure h*ll while you hold whatever position you've reached.

​@@markhill7418 SELF DESTRUCTION SMH. SO STOP TRYING HUH. IF THE ANCESTORS STOPPED OR HAD UR MIND FRAME WED STILL BE IN CHAINS

Most people with generational wealth and success have no college degree. And fewer people with those degrees have higher-paying jobs. Even though degrees help (if you're allowed in the door to use them) it's still a *Job* . It's Not the degree, it's the social construct that has robbed indigenous people of Color of their resources and wealth. Period!

2 millions black Americans that are college graduates without a job explain that?

@@torreywallace1494 Thank you. That's Reality.

This 👏🏾

BINGO. everybody else racing to the bottom. lord.

Once again, everyone, please stop DRINKING THE KOOL-AID! This speech and rhetoric is reserved for motivating your children, family members, community, etc.! We should all thrive to be the best version of ourselves...BUT, that has nothing to do with being with a person, a spouse, who is going to have the best qualities for the family unit! If he is a provider (even driving buses), he's a great spouse and a great dad, protector and supportive of his spouse and kids dreams, WTF else can you ask for, for the family unit?!! When you start bringing in $$$, careers, what people do, that has destroyed the family unit in many cultures and is the driving force...scripture says, money is the root of all evil...this is no different! Again, this has nothing to do with or nor has any business being applied to the family unit! Dating leads to love, love leads to marriage, marriage leads to family...if you decline at dating, you're placing a number/value on love and family...period!

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