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ECE4448 L43: Diode-Based Overdrive and Distortion Effects (Guitar Amplification and Effects) 

Lantertronics - Aaron Lanterman
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0:00 -- Introduction
1:39 -- Falstad circuit simulator
1:56 -- Clean noninverting amp
3:03 -- Noninverting soft clipper
5:26 -- Clean inverting amp
5:57 -- Inverting soft clipper
6:44 -- Hard clipper
8:36 -- Asymmetric clipping
9:13 -- Ibanez Tube Screamer
11:02 -- Boss OD-1 Overdrive
11:38 -- Marshall Blues Breaker
14:18 -- Boss DS-1 Distortion
15:29 -- PrCo Rat
16:07 -- Klon Centaur
16:35 -- Fulltone Full-Drive 2 MOSFET
17:23 -- Electro-Harmonix Big Muff
17:52 -- Boss HM-2 Heavy Metal
18:55 -- Tone controls

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@TheNaboen
@TheNaboen 2 года назад
"When guitarplayers say gain, the really mean distortion. Although this is technically speaking a overdrive pedal and not what usually called a distortion pedal. Although the distinctions are fairly fuzzy". I laughed. Brilliant.
@djsnowman06
@djsnowman06 Год назад
Yea I had a chuckle as well
@totopolo2379
@totopolo2379 Год назад
I did not laugh or chuckle. You both my be amazibg at parties.... not
@FlaxeMusic
@FlaxeMusic Год назад
@@totopolo2379 Ironically you sound like the least fun person here- Nobody likes a negative Nancy.
@thewrongbike7709
@thewrongbike7709 3 месяца назад
One of very few videos that actually talk physics instead of subjective impressions. Thank you.
@philisgr8
@philisgr8 16 часов назад
After building a pile of pedals, this is the best explanation of what is actually going on. Love the term "attempted gain", so accurate.
@zaum2002
@zaum2002 Год назад
I’ve worked in audio electronics for 30 years and this was the best analysis of distortion pedals I’ve heard. Clear and concise. Great work man.
@Mogwai06
@Mogwai06 Год назад
this dude has explained about everything i actually know about audio electronics or electronic circuits etc better than anyone else. for some reason hes great at explaining it all. glad i found this place because ive searched for someone who can convey it so easily and yet so accessible. i keep coming back anytime i have a question and watch some more lectures.
@ReedRenken
@ReedRenken 11 месяцев назад
Where for school?
@MixMeMcGee
@MixMeMcGee 2 года назад
“Failed gain” vs Clean gain is a GREAT distinction! That’s a really great description for quickly clarifying with guitar players! Thank you!
@TLMuse
@TLMuse Год назад
Really excellent lecture. When I was an EE student at MIT (before switching to physics) back in the early 1980s, I took an analog electronics course with a section on op amps that included working out the transfer functions of op amp circuits with diodes. Fun stuff. But the lecturer (one of Senturia or Wedlock-we used their textbook, but I can't remember which one taught it!) didn't present it with the conceptual clarity you display here. And of course he didn't discuss guitar pedals. I had already built a distortion pedal as a teen guitarist, but didn't understand exactly what it was doing. Lightbulbs illuminated in my head during those lectures. Decades later, you provided even more insights. Thank you for sharing these lectures publicly. -Tom
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
Thank you for your kind words!
@joerectifier
@joerectifier Год назад
Man, I had the same problem in my electronics courses at OSU….internal book that was focused on the abstraction of transistors and not nearly enough practical coursework….I’ve spent many years enjoying electronics lectures like this and learned just as you explained it
@julianvenn4195
@julianvenn4195 Год назад
Senturia and Wedlock! I still have my copy bought in 1977...it remains an excellent reference
@TheMantis1point0.2
@TheMantis1point0.2 24 дня назад
I know I just learned more in this 20 min video than I have in the past month watching an assortment of other videos on RU-vid. The information was easy to digest and I'm finding that the videos and information are very linear and that the knowledge carries through. I'm 40 years old building a new life, music has been but electronics will be my new focus and attention at this mid stage of my life. Thank you for being on here and presenting us with this knowledge. I greatly appreciate it. Randy.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 23 дня назад
Thank you so much for your kind words!
@atrumluminarium
@atrumluminarium Год назад
18:26 yes it is horrific and ridiculous, but also sounds insane. The HM-2 was used a lot by the early Swedish Death Metal scene. I think Entombed's Clandestine record is the best recording of that pedal in action and very worth listening to in my opinion
@binface9
@binface9 Год назад
What do you think of the user of HM2 on records produced by Kurt Ballou? It seems like he's made a career of the back of the circuit (and being a bloody nice bloke).
@maks_0427
@maks_0427 Год назад
Don't those diodes work as a noise gate?
@atrumluminarium
@atrumluminarium Год назад
@@maks_0427 Well "kind of". They only do that for lower tuning because higher notes oscillate faster than the diode switching rate. Even then the noise has to be of smaller amplitude than a certain threshold so it's more like a "poor man's noise gate" so to speak. On the other hand, the pedal also has a weird quirk where sometimes the circuit starts to oscillate when it's maxed out and it lets out a horrible squeal so in some cases it can add more unwanted sounds
@maks_0427
@maks_0427 Год назад
@@atrumluminarium ohh okay, interresting
@Mogwai06
@Mogwai06 10 месяцев назад
@@atrumluminarium wow i dont think id seen any of that info before. thanks!
@beasterfield321
@beasterfield321 5 дней назад
On the Boss Heavey Metal schematic, the diodes that you thought were discussing are actually acting as a gate to noise that's produced with heavy distortion/amplification. the signal has to get to a specific voltage dictated by the forward voltage of the diode to continue through the circuit. this allows hissing and buzzing to be quieter while allowing the gtr signal to go through. hope that makes more sense.
@joebieke8750
@joebieke8750 Год назад
Wish we had a course like this when I was getting my EE degree. Nice work!
@Windkind0
@Windkind0 2 года назад
The two serial crossover-distortion diodes in the heavy metal distortion pedal serve a particular reason: It might act as a poor mans noise gate, so your guitar actually "shuts up" when you are not playing something. This kind of gating can be artistically useful and some pedals (mostly fuzz pedals) even have a dedicated control for this kind of gating (although I am not sure how it is typically implemented).
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Huh... that does make sense. A kind of terrifying sense. ;)
@DollysplitBand
@DollysplitBand 2 года назад
WOW
@PointlessExistence
@PointlessExistence 2 года назад
Exactly. Its a noise gate.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
@@PointlessExistence Talk about cutting corners. ;)
@benakanecrophile2878
@benakanecrophile2878 2 года назад
@@Lantertronics the tones from a boss HM-2 are for sure terrifying in Swedish death metal. It's not a great tone but it's nasty sounding in a way that not many other pedals are.
@urssounds
@urssounds Год назад
These videos of yours are such an amazing resource! Thx!
@kwgm8578
@kwgm8578 Год назад
Hello Aaron, I have a BSE from SFSU in the late 1970's, and later earned a MSCS from Cal. Today, my engineering alma mater offers a master's program in EE/CS, but I had to do it the hard way. However, I have always been interested in both radio and electric guitar electronics, and had to figure out most of that myself. We did learn op amps and both analog and digital circuits, but the 1970s was the decade of the microprocessor, and the development of LSI to VLSI. Getting a million transistors on a wafer was all the rage, and some of my classmates went on to work for Fairchild, National, and Intel, who all recruited at my school. Now, lithography is in the nanometers. I'm so happy to be retired, but I wish I had a professor like you in my time. I enjoyed your video, as it confirmed what my ear has recently taught me. I've started playing guitar again only during the pandemic. Lately, I've been trying out pedals through my little Fender tube amp, and I've learned that all of these digital distortion pedals claim to do more than they are capable of. The Dumbler and Plexion simulators that promise "real analog sound", the Tube Screamer (without a tube!), and Distortion pedals all sound phoney to my ears. Maybe you have to grow up with the sound to like the sound of digital clipping? I grew up at the Filmore listening to the new acts of 1967 and '68 these pedals are trying to emulate. The sound is different, even if the current trace is similar. Have you done a comparison of tube vs MOS harmonic content as both go from clean into overdrive? Early in the 1980s, I knew someone at HP who demoed their new harmonic analyzer. It was an amazing box, and quite expensive -- many tens of thousands of dollars. By 2000, my home DAW had a plugin with the more resolution and better functionality done in software, than that 20 year old HP box. The beat goes on. I'll share this -- I'm grateful for the Amazon Prime free return, no questions asked policy, where I can order a few pedals for a tryout, and then send them back at the end of the month, if I don't like them. I've kept two so far -- a tuning pedal that I wish we had when I was playing professionally in the 1970's, and an analog delay pedal I gave to my grandson for Christmas last year. Sound effects are fun. Thanks again for these interesting videos, Professor.
@ringsystemmusic
@ringsystemmusic Год назад
This is a treasure trove of information for someone like me that’s just getting started in pedal design! Thanks!
@StevenRoby
@StevenRoby Год назад
One of the best videos I've seen lately, and your explanations are very clear. Put my EE degree to some use. Thank you.
@mbermar
@mbermar Год назад
Greetings Professor from Brazil! Great content, with great selection of pedals for examples. Thank you a lot.
@shean4
@shean4 2 года назад
Another great breakdown of circuit elements. Thanks.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
You are welcome!
@joerectifier
@joerectifier Год назад
Outstanding lecture….and FUN!
@ayoitscat
@ayoitscat Год назад
This is the exact video I spent months looking for when I first tried learning circuit design for pedals. I wish I'd found this sooner.
@snuffbox2006
@snuffbox2006 Год назад
Wow! Amazing video. Finally a professor who can explain things in a way that is easy to understand.
@ex-genaumproject8533
@ex-genaumproject8533 Год назад
Really simple and well done explanation about how a pedal distortion works. I will check out more of your videos for sure
@chadissimusrex8038
@chadissimusrex8038 Год назад
Finally an explanation like this, on various types of overdrive/ dist! Thanks!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
You are welcome! And welcome to the channel! You will find lots of fun stuff here. :)
@BryanDenham
@BryanDenham Год назад
this was extremely helpful , thank you so much for these videos i enjoy them a lot .
@bryandraughn9830
@bryandraughn9830 Год назад
I thought you were me for a second. Peace
@esgunduz
@esgunduz 5 месяцев назад
super duper explanation. thank you, by heart 👏👏👏
@mbuiltpa
@mbuiltpa 7 месяцев назад
I’m so thankful for this video! Educated me by leaps and bounds!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for your kind word! I suggest checking out my whole Guitar Amplification and Effects playlist. You might also enjoy my ECE3400: Analog Electronics playlist.
@robertmarbun
@robertmarbun 5 месяцев назад
Thank you Dr Aaron for your very clear explanation
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 5 месяцев назад
You are welcome! :)
@zachp7684
@zachp7684 6 месяцев назад
Horrific is in the ear of the beholder. Excellent breakdown. Thanks.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 6 месяцев назад
You are welcome! :)
@TheDogPa
@TheDogPa 2 месяца назад
Indeed. Always liked my HM2, but I really hate modern metal.
@sdkee
@sdkee Год назад
One little nitpick: the primary purpose of an overdrive pedal is to gain the signal up (often with frequency emphasis) in a mostly linear way so that the preamp section of a tube amp goes nonlinear in a desirable way. Usually these circuits also have clipping diodes like a distortion pedal, but are doing so little clipping that it would be hard to notice if you listened to the output of the overdrive pedal directly. Of course if you turn the gain up then the diodes start clipping noticeable and then you're using it as a distortion pedal at that point. As the difference is how much you turn the gain knob, a large number of pedals are suitable for both uses.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
The Klon in particular seems to have a particularly wide clean range. (Of course the Klon circuit itself is extremely interesting).
@TLMuse
@TLMuse Год назад
It seems to me that this definition of "overdrive" is confusing overdrive pedals with boost pedals. Of course, there is no "official" definition of any of these. But my understanding is that overdrive pedals are designed to introduce at least *some* audible distortion of their own into the signal, albeit not as much as "distortion" or "fuzz" pedals. Maybe the main difference wrt to boost is that boost pedals mainly stay clean over their full range of settings, and perhaps overdrive pedals "clean up" at lower boost settings, only adding audible distortion of their own once you get up above low levels of boost. -Tom
@crimadellaphone9374
@crimadellaphone9374 Год назад
Great information, it's nice to finally find a source of more reliable information that also shows examples. And from my own state nonetheless. I'll be subscribing, I'm just learning this stuff, electrical circuitry, as a hobby.
@rohankeenoy2199
@rohankeenoy2199 Год назад
Great lecture, wish I had a course like this at my school. Thank you for sharing.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
Thank you for your kind words!
@JamesPearson
@JamesPearson Год назад
Thank you so much for sharing this, I'm looking into building a distortion module for my DIY modular synthesizer and this has provided me with a solid foundation. Brilliant presentation, thank you again.
@bozakarlin9034
@bozakarlin9034 Год назад
Great video, thanks.
@drumbyte
@drumbyte Год назад
Fantastic job teaching! Makes me want to go back to school:)
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
Thank you for your kind words!
@shakeorefined2514
@shakeorefined2514 7 месяцев назад
Great info, thanks!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 7 месяцев назад
You are welcome! :)
@Ghostworld1999
@Ghostworld1999 Месяц назад
I love videos and content like this
@BrianClem
@BrianClem 3 месяца назад
You can have this as a college class?!! Wow. That's really awesome. Those in the class should be honored to be learning this!
@getenlightened
@getenlightened Год назад
Thanks for this video. The animated circuit finally helped it all make sense for me. ( after deep diving into what OpAmps are actually doing ). I hope you'll consider more pedal fx circuit analysis videos. Good stuff. Thanks again.
@Meska_Statik
@Meska_Statik 2 года назад
amazing as always !!!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Thanks!
@Meska_Statik
@Meska_Statik 2 года назад
@@Lantertronics i didn't go to school very long, but you'r work let me learn so much ;)
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
@@Meska_Statik Glad to help!
@jameslin7718
@jameslin7718 Месяц назад
Two back-to-back diodes connected in series in the signal path are used to block small signals, similar to a noise gate.
@bevo65
@bevo65 Год назад
A hell of an engineer! 🤘
@mickeythompson9537
@mickeythompson9537 Год назад
The two diodes in series with the signal on the HM-2 are reckoned to be a noise gate - no conduction under a certain threshold.
@remi603
@remi603 4 месяца назад
Best video i have seen about od and ds effects so far. I am a student in engineering and I'd like to create my own guitar pedal so that'll definitely help me. Thank you very much !
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 4 месяца назад
You are welcome! :)
@Magnetron33
@Magnetron33 Год назад
I have hated distortion pedals for decades, but I heard a couple excellent players that I respect use an OCD. I bought one and love it. very versatile. Everything I have ever wanted in a gain pedal. has a bit of compression too. Interesting vid! Thak you!
@giordash
@giordash Год назад
I am an electronics hobbyist (at best) and this was extremely helpful. While I’ve learned a lot, much of what I’ve gathered has come in seemingly unrelated bits and pieces. This video just connected them all. Thank you!
@Mogwai06
@Mogwai06 10 месяцев назад
im with you there. thats me too
@Terribleguitarist89
@Terribleguitarist89 2 года назад
Annnd I've found a new channel to nerd out on...
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Welcome! :)
@jackhack1972
@jackhack1972 Год назад
Awesome somebody else to find that uses that same circuit Sim app as I really like that app
@soejrd24978
@soejrd24978 2 года назад
Great video
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Thanks!
@RichardJohnson_dydx
@RichardJohnson_dydx Год назад
This is really cool. I'm not a EE major (mechatronics engineering) but I built a preamp for one of my projects. It was basic, with a noninverting gain stage, low and high pass filters that I controlled with a pot. And a final output gain control. It sounded great with music but not so good with a guitar. I wish I found this video last semester.
@Blinkerd00d
@Blinkerd00d 2 месяца назад
I'm a pedal builder and EE, and I must say.... this was very well done. I wish I had something as helpful when I first started designing my pedal circuits. Most pedal builders are not EE, in fact Im the only one I know, but the community is definitely full of brilliant and creative minds. For some very interesting (and to me, impressive) circuit designs- look into the pedals of Jason Lamb. He worked for DOD in the late 80s early 90s and he went his own way.
@clearz3600
@clearz3600 Год назад
As a nerd and a guitar player I approve of this video :D
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
As a nerd and guitar player I approve of this comment. :D
@xavierdumont
@xavierdumont 2 года назад
So glad you are doing this series. I've been trying to make my own pedal board and it's been a complete failure. Hopefully this series will provide some insight!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Good luck with your board! (I'd recommend checking out Rhett Shull's videos on the topic; I think some of them are on his channel but some are on Rick Beato's channel).
@xavierdumont
@xavierdumont 2 года назад
​@@Lantertronics Thanks! I definitely will. I've also been reading Self's book on audio and watching relevant info on YT. But without proper EE training, it's hard to know what's wrong (like, why are all my boards so goddamn noisy?!?!).
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
@@xavierdumont Re: noise, are you having problems with hiss or hum (or both)? P.S. I love Self's book. It's really the only book out there like it.
@bak4320
@bak4320 2 года назад
Brian Wampler (Wampler Pedals) also dives into guitar-related distortion info on his YT channel
@xavierdumont
@xavierdumont 2 года назад
@@Lantertronics I think it's mostly Johnson noise. I know using too high resistor values can negatively affect the overall amount of noise, but I feel like cap types play a big role here too. It would make a great subject for a future video!
@mattmeckel99
@mattmeckel99 Год назад
Thanks
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
You are welcome!
@rontrabbic8827
@rontrabbic8827 Год назад
Very interesting
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
Thanks!
@anhedonianepiphany5588
@anhedonianepiphany5588 Год назад
Glad to have discovered your content. At which stage do your students explore these op-amp fundamentals?
@vlastimilelias
@vlastimilelias Год назад
Thanks for another great lesson. Worth to say that important part of the overdrive/distortion character is toneshaping before clipping. In opamp based it is often frequency dependant gain. Sometimes diode clipping is frequency dependant (eg. BigMuff).
@vlastimilelias
@vlastimilelias Год назад
And have you noticed really clever design of the Blues Breaker? With one pot you are changing gain of both opamp stages, brilliant.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
@@vlastimilelias I never quite wrapped my head around why they were doing it, but now that you mention it, that makes sense.
@MoraFermi
@MoraFermi 2 года назад
> "The difference between overdrive and distortion is pretty fuzzy." I see what you did here. :D
@dangoldbach6570
@dangoldbach6570 Год назад
This professor rocks. Literally. I WISH my professors actually knew who Rett Shill was... You don't get how cool guitar pedals are unless you actually play. Coolest professor EVER right here kids.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
Thank you for your kind words!
@dangoldbach6570
@dangoldbach6570 Год назад
@@Lantertronics the best learning ever is from someone who can take theory and make it translate to something really cool. Stewmac should partner up with you on explaining their pedal kits! I built one of their ghost drives and It sounds awesome. I know how to drive a soldering iron, what a resistor does, what an op amp is and what a diode does. But, I still am mystified WHY it does what it does. Your videos are really good at unpacking that.
@jwelliott74
@jwelliott74 Месяц назад
Check out the curcuit for Plumes od by Earthquaker Devices - it has three different clipping settings: 1)Symmetrical diode clipping, 2)Assymetrical diode clipping, and a no-diode, op-amp only clean boost, switching the diode sets completely out. One of the best TS style pedals on the market, and quite versatile
@Aleph_Null_Audio
@Aleph_Null_Audio Год назад
With regards to the diodes in series in the HM-2, crossover distortion is usually pretty unpleasant, but it's mostly being masked by the other kinds of clipping going on in the circuit. Also, by blocking signals below a certain threshold the series diodes create a primitive gate of sorts. This may help reduce the noise associated with high gain.
@prattacaster
@prattacaster Год назад
Yep, it's a noise gate. PV uses it in some tube amps, I think also bypassing the parallel diodes with a 1 meg resistor, this may reduce the crossover.
@markhammer643
@markhammer643 2 года назад
I am the proud owner of a 62 year-old "tweed" Fender Bassman. I bought it 30 years ago and have no knowledge of the previous ownership, so I have no knowledge of any changes made to the circuitry. However, when purchased, the Presence control operated in what would nowadays be considered reverse fashion. That is, as the control was turned clockwise (up to "12"), the resulting tone got *duller*, rather than brighter. It appears as thought the intent of the control was to counteract the harmonic content coming from the output transformer, using negative feedback, and "tame" the amp into something closer to linearity.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Yeah, it sounds like something is odd with that presence control. I'll talk about presence controls later in the course; basically you are right, the negative feedback from the transformer is intended to help the power stage act more linearly. Negative feedback lowers gain; by changing how much of a given frequency feeds back you can change the frequency response, but in a kind of weird way that interacts with other things in the amp so it's not a simple tone control.
@markhammer643
@markhammer643 2 года назад
@@Lantertronics We tend to forget that, for the first dozen or so years of Rock & Roll's existence, carrying on from jazz and R&B, distortion was something to be avoided, and products were designed and intended, to provide volume WITH clarity and linearity. Similarly, we tend to forget that, well into the late 1960s, many if not most guitar players relied on medium-to-heavy gauge strings, and in some instances flatwound (we tried to avoid audible finger-gliss). Processing of guitar signal was partly predicated on the signal properties and "string behaviour" that would provide. I own a device, made by Guild at the cusp of the '70s, called the Tri-Oct. I refer to it as the missing link between fuzzboxes and guitar synthesis. It comprises six discrete octave-dividers (one per string) to achieve polyphonic octave division (mixed down to mono output), and comes with a proprietary divided pickup for the task. The pickup's size forces it to be placed in a location where there is too much mistracking because of how widely the string vibrates there (we eventually learned that divided pickups needed to be placed by the bridge, or under it, for good string separation). So how could such a poorly-designed product be expected to sell? My guess is that it was predicated on use of much stiffer heavy-gauge flatwound strings, that would not wiggle enough to bleed through to adjacent pickup points; a not unreasonable assumption for the time.
@possible-realities
@possible-realities 2 года назад
@@markhammer643 How does heavier string gauge influence the signal properties, other than reducing the bleed between adjacent pickups?
@markhammer643
@markhammer643 2 года назад
@@possible-realities The more ferromagnetic material one "wiggles" near a pickup coil, the more voltage is induced in the coil (string-to-pickup distance being equal)***. Some noteworthy players over the years opted for use of heavier-gauge strings, tuned down a step or so, to achieve the flexibility/bendability of lighter strings. I had the pleasure of meeting guitar whiz Joey Landreth a few years ago. When I made a passing comment about the multi-lever palm pedal he had on one of his guitars, he handed it to me to try out, and I found it impossible to play. He uses an .019-thru-0.63 string set. How he is still able to bend those is beyond me, but I like to joke that if I ever have a pickle jar that I can't open, I think I know who to call. ***Which is why wound strings generate more voltage than unwound. I have a pet theory that the serious bass cut used in the venerable Ibanez Tube Screamer was intended to yield roughly equivalent clipping across the entire fretboard. Keep in mind that the clipping diodes conduct in response to *absolute* forward voltage. So, if one wants the same degree of clipping for the lower and higher notes, one needs to reduce the amplitude of those lower notes. Consequently, the TS is designed to apply decreasing gain for content below about 720hz. Of course, that is just how THAT particular goal was met through design, and is not any sort of "must have". Indeed, the greater amplitude produced by heavier gauge wound strings can be thought of as an available choice for the musician to generate *more* clipping/harmonic-intensity simply by making use of lower notes on the lower strings. It's a bit like a turn-up-the-distortion control, in the form of string/note choice. Make sense?
@AlanW
@AlanW Год назад
This was fascinating, thanks! Any chance you have a video explaining why the tube-screamer type overdrives sound like they have unclipped signal mixed in?
@valueofnothing2487
@valueofnothing2487 Год назад
Best source of information on the entire internet. This is amazing Is the digital distortion less fizzy? It's probably not in the scope of this class at all but it has become more popular as people search for the longer sustaining notes without a lot of fizz or losing the low end.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
The nice thing about digital signal processing algorithms is the level of flexibility you get -- just look at all the high quality pedal and amp simulations that are out there. So a DSP isn't any more or less fizzy than an analog circuit -- it depends on the particular algorithm and the particular circuit.
@TLMuse
@TLMuse Год назад
​@@Lantertronics "DSP isn't any more or less fizzy than an analog circuit -- it depends on the particular algorithm and the particular circuit." Well, there are issues that arise in the digital realm than lend themselves to producing unpleasantly "fizzy" algorithms with a naive implementation of the processing that happens in an analog circuit. Aliasing in particular is an issue both for linear processing like EQ, and nonlinear processing like distortion. In a straightforward DSP implementation of an analog circuit, high frequency content (from the input, or generated by nonlinearities) that would be inaudible or filtered to inaudibility by subsequent analog circuitry can be aliased to easily audible frequencies that are not euphonious. Algorithms that fail to properly account for this can sound "fizzy" or unpleasant. So you have to think about more than the equivalent analog circuit when doing audio DSP. -Tom
@UncleRalphABQ
@UncleRalphABQ Год назад
Very interesting video. I wish every guitar player would watch it. I've been trying to explain to them for years that every one of these pedals is basically a Tube Screamer or a Rat with different colored socks on. The series germanium diodes in the Heavy Metal pedal are probably meant to simulate the crossover distortion that one gets in a class A/B tube amplifier that is less than perfectly biased (read: practically all of them). Germanium junctions tend to be leaky and mushy which probably produces more of a swoop than a hard notch as the signal transitions between positive and negative portions of the waveform. For better or worse, overdrive/distortion pedal designers have been trying to emulate overdriven tube amplifiers from the git-go. The very first one I ever saw, an MXR Distortion+, used an ancient u741 op-amp and a "hard clipping" pair of 1N34A germanium diodes. The clipping wasn't very hard, but it was because of the sloppiness of the germanium diodes, which is exactly what MXR was trying for.
@darkone9572
@darkone9572 Год назад
These gain to eleven !!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
I'm so happy someone caught that reference! :)
@justovision
@justovision 2 года назад
When I've scoped a hard clipping circuit it has some pretty square edges on the cutoff with silicon diodes. In my understanding that's how you get the harmonics that are desirable for a hard clipping circuit. I have a rat I modded with switchable silicon, germanium and LED clipping stages. Pretty common mod but great for "hearing" how the diode's clip. For a one off germanium is nice because they're so inconsistent you can dial in a bit of asymmetry (as a treat) just by testing the forward voltage of each diode and picking ones that vary to your taste.
@justovision
@justovision 2 года назад
The Falstad circuit simulator is great but I wonder if they're doing some kind of interpolation to deal with what ever time base the javascript simulation can handle?
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
I think various companies have put so much effort into optimizing Javascript that they're probably not needing to cut too many corners. (Just a guess, though).
@ttoommmmiiee
@ttoommmmiiee 2 года назад
Hi Aaron, I really enjoy your videos. Watching this made me wonder about Jurgen Haible's Wasp Filter. It has a distortion circuit that I can't quite correlate with these designs. I would love to hear your analysis of the Wasp circuit as a whole - it's quite idiosyncratic.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Oh, I was just thinking about that the other day... because there IS an pedal that uses CMOS inverters biased to operate in as analog op amp like things. It's the Blackstone Appliances MOSFET overdrive. (Reverse engineered schematics are online).
@jawsxx8683
@jawsxx8683 Год назад
A distortion pedal is to push the amp into distortion whereas the fuzz is to emulate a broken speaker. The diodes are placed in the circuit in a different location.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
You might enjoy my lecture on fuzz pedals (it's a companion to this one): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xuzT7CSYtyI.html
@fredericpetitpas
@fredericpetitpas Год назад
INSTANT SUB.
@llwonder
@llwonder 2 года назад
I never realized that all pedal circuits are based around diodes. I always thought that BJTs were driven into saturation or cut off which caused the distortion.
@freddykruger3320
@freddykruger3320 Год назад
That boss heavy metal distortion has such a unique sound. Behringer make a clone but for some reason it isn't the same despite all their other analogue clones being identical. I wonder if they neglected to use germanium diodes to cut cost and it changed things? Or if perhaps that oddball cross diode set up you mentioned at the end wasn't implemented correctly and changed it up.
@teslate
@teslate 2 года назад
Electronics pendant here :) Isn't the Boss DS-1 distortion stage inverting - input in to pin 2 of a single DIL op amp? Also, I found germanium diodes have a less abrupt turn on voltage or a softer "knee" than silicon diodes which give a less aggressive distortion. As an old audio electronics engineer, I still learn from each video you make! What a great resource they are.. I'm even starting to get more of the in depth math(s). Thanks!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Oh my goodness, that pin demarkation of the on the DS-1 is weird! It must be some sort of typo... if what's marked as pin "2" really is the negative terminal, and what's marked as pin "3" is the positive terminal, then that op amp would be wired with POSITIVE feedback, and would fly towards one of the rails and stick there (I think). The redraw of the schematic on the Electrosmash website shows it as I interpreted it (which is the only way that makes sense). If anyone reading this can shed more light on this, please do. If it was an actual inverting configuration, then the + terminal would be hooked to some sort of reference (like 4.5 V here).
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Thank you for your kind words!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Yeah, the Germanium is apparently important to the Klon design.
@unrelatedactivities
@unrelatedactivities 5 месяцев назад
@@Lantertronics I also thought it was a typo, but seems the TA7136 used in that version has a weird pinout (pin 2 is the non-inverting input).
@synthnerd4539
@synthnerd4539 2 года назад
I was reading recently that although germanium diodes have a lower forward voltage than silicon, they also have a softer curve into clipping. It's not something I've measured but it's an interesting point. I wonder what transistors wired as diodes look like on a scope?
@georgegkountouras4311
@georgegkountouras4311 2 года назад
I'm doing pedal simulations and it's interesting to observe the efects of Silicon versus Germanium, parametric feedback, soft versus hard clipping, cascaded diodes, symmetric versus asymmetric clipping and so on.
@possible-realities
@possible-realities 2 года назад
If that is true, that should be the main difference I think? You can always change the gain before and after the diodes to account for the difference in forward voltage.
@noodlezeep5159
@noodlezeep5159 2 года назад
A gain of 11 ... I see what you did there :D
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
@baranelitez8016
@baranelitez8016 5 месяцев назад
@18:40 I've heard somewhere that tthe crossover distortion diode pair functions more like a "poor man's noisegate" and that might be the reasoning behind it.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, since I posted that several people have wrote me to say in practice that particular configuration doesn't contribute to much to the overall distortion characteristics per se.
@degoyen
@degoyen 2 года назад
1+(10K/1K) I see what you did there!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
"But this one goes to..."
@KyleKalevra
@KyleKalevra 4 месяца назад
The distinctions between distortion and overdrive are fuzzy? Lol Awesome analogy.
@Stopkins
@Stopkins 17 дней назад
Love that the gain in the 1st example goes up to 11. 😂
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 17 дней назад
I’m so happy somebody caught that.
@Stopkins
@Stopkins 17 дней назад
⁠@@Lantertronicstoo good to be a happy accident! \m/
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 17 дней назад
@@Stopkins Yeah, I picked the resistors to have a 10:1 ratio since that was easy too compute, and then I realized that with the +1... ;)
@user-js3op5lu7y
@user-js3op5lu7y 2 года назад
Hello Aaron, I really enjoy your videos, so knowledgable. Since you're talking about diode, how about diode based audio compressor? It was so old-fashion and compromised compressor method at that time but still in production, what's your thoughts? Thanks.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Diode bridge compression is the one studio compressor topology that (to my knowledge) hasn't been made into a guitar pedal, so it seems like a wide open avenue for guitar pedal companies to explore. The Neve approach involves transformers on each side of the diode bridge, another approach might be to look at what Korg did in the MS-50 VCA.
@user-js3op5lu7y
@user-js3op5lu7y 2 года назад
@@Lantertronics Thank you!
@marcel_max
@marcel_max Год назад
Great video! Don't forget to ask Marty McFly, he knows a lot about this.
@feudiable
@feudiable Год назад
18:36 I have found the series diodes D6/D7 don't actually provide a huge crossover distortion. Couldn't we consider them as a "diode divider" with the D9/D8 diodes? I get the impression that combined, they actually cancel out some of the effects.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
I've had some folks tell me that they're really acting more as a super primitive noise gate than a deliberate distortion mechanism.
@Roderick_Legato
@Roderick_Legato 2 года назад
11:38 -10 points to tonegeek for missing junction dots. The node at op-amp pin 2 - yeah, you can figure it out, but it is ambiguous.
@andywander
@andywander Год назад
Thanks for the video. I'm curious, though, why did you use triangle wave input instead of sine wave?
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
It makes the exact nature of the nonlinearity more clear. With a sine wave, it's already a bit rounded off, so it can be hard to tell what additional rounding the nonlinearity provides.
@abelcorvalan3664
@abelcorvalan3664 11 месяцев назад
What's that simulator? That's so great. Awesome signal analysis!!!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 11 месяцев назад
Look up falstad.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 11 месяцев назад
www.falstad.com/circuit/
@zingzing6550
@zingzing6550 Год назад
The Boss HM with the germanium diods...listen to Entombeds albums Clandestine or Left hand path, and you can hear what the Boss HM pedal can do. Its called the chainsaw distortion.
@AnalogDude_
@AnalogDude_ 2 года назад
Professor, i have super important question and me hope you have or can find the answer. Since you can do math with opamps. How do i measure the audio amplitude that goes above a certain "custom" threshold and measure with another op amp the difference above the max allowed and act on a VCA to remove the excess amount of amplitude. Would that something you could discus with your students to see how it could be done, how to use an op amp to do math ... on audio signals. Vertasium showed analog computers a few time and these principle although analog hardware device (wires and pulley's), but basically it was the same thing, doing math with opamps ... and converted into a video.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
I think what you've described is a threshold control on a compressor side chain. I'd suggest checking out the various app notes on the THAT Corp website.
@AnalogDude_
@AnalogDude_ 2 года назад
@@Lantertronics Thank you for the reply, i have a slight idea, using a precision wave rectifier and use that for the gliding on and determine the amplitude of the incomming audio. What i would like to try, that if i use a calculated variable voltage divider ( pot meter ) to set the threshold and SOME HOW measure the difference between the threshold and amplitudes that exceed the threshold ... from there reducing the VCA is a piece of cake .. if you use LM13700 or comparable. But figuring how to isolate out the voltage to reduce! Maybe using a LM393 comparator as well, not sure. what kind of differential opamp setup would do the trick? I have watched seen the SSL compressor clone from Gyraf (DK) various times over the years. it isn't quite clear what happens between the audio input and the DBX vca. as well other compressor schematics. will check the THAT corp website aswel.
@akkudakkupl
@akkudakkupl Год назад
That Boss heavy metal pedal has crossover generating diodes probably because a tube power amplifier driven to overdrive will get less and less bias eventualy going into crossover.
@iblesbosuok
@iblesbosuok Год назад
I'm curious, what would happen if the N-JFET is utilized as an SD or DS diode. The gate leg as the anode, the drain leg which is connected to the source leg as the cathode.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Год назад
I bet that would be interesting. I've seen people use MOSFETs like that in distortion devices. You get a current-voltage relationship that's square law instead of an exponential law, so you will get a different nonlinearity.
@possible-realities
@possible-realities 2 года назад
17:34 Is this really soft clipping? It's an inverting op amp configuration and there is no resistor in series with the diodes, so the result should be hard clipping in the sense that once the diodes start to conduct, the output voltage can not go any further? Or did you just mean that the circuit topology is the same that is used for soft clipping?
@derekgve
@derekgve 9 месяцев назад
When you do the analysis of the Bluesbreaker and you point out the voltage divider on the single sided PS you call it a local ground. Is that the same as bias voltage? I assumed that the 4.5V was meant to bias the signal up so that it doesn't dip into the negative. I am a bit of a noob with this stuff so please let me know if I am wrong.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 9 месяцев назад
Ah, yes. When I say "local ground" I mean the bias voltage, I think of the 4.5V as being a new created "ground reference" for the signals. That's just the way I like to think about it -- that's not standard terminology.
@derekgve
@derekgve 9 месяцев назад
@@Lantertronics thanks a bunch for the reply. I'm not sure if you have a video or if there is a good one out there that explains what is happening in the diodes to clip the signal. IE: is the clipping occuring in the diode or is the diode causing the op-amp to clip? If it is in the diode, what is happening to the voltage and why? Etc... Your videos are fantastic by the way!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 9 месяцев назад
@@derekgve The op amp itself isn't clipping -- if the output of the op amp hits the limit defined by the power rails, that's typically a hard clip sound (there are some pedals that use that effect). The way to think about it is to think about the current-voltage relationship of a resistor and the current-voltage relationship of a diode and think about what currents are flowing.
@heggy_69
@heggy_69 6 месяцев назад
I wonder if anyone gave in a Nobels odr 1 or something as an example of both hard and soft since it has both lol. Also really like crossover distortion, should check out the zvex machine I think that pedal has it deliberately, I think the lovepedal Karl is the same circuit
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 6 месяцев назад
I just looked up the Nobels schematic, that is interesting!
@JamesReedy
@JamesReedy Год назад
I’m 🌽 fusion, the input and output emitter followers on the Ibanez don’t appear to be biased at all?! That’s not an amp that’s a rectifier with gain. The boss clearly had a biasing network at the base to set the emitter at some median voltage so you can get some reasonable swing in both directions.
@JamesReedy
@JamesReedy Год назад
Nevermind, I really hate when peeps use triangles pointing downward for power supplies 😐 I see it now…it’s also a shitty design with high beta dependency. The boss design is a bit better thought out tho could be improved on for pennies.
@alexmcintosh1030
@alexmcintosh1030 Месяц назад
Yo this is the fuckin jackpot
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics Месяц назад
Thank you for your kind words! You'll find my whole "Guitar Amplification and Effects" series here on RU-vid. If you like this, I also recommend checking out my "Analog Circuits for Music Synthesis" and "ECE Design Fundamentals" playlists.
@MixMeMcGee
@MixMeMcGee 2 года назад
I’m very curious why a diode bridge can be used to create a softer soft clipper. I’ve been working on better understanding Mr. Neve’s use of a diode bridge as a control voltage/soft clipper in his classic diode bridge comp/limiters - finding this technique very interesting!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
Ah! This is an important distinction to make: the kind of clipping we talk about in distortion and overdrive and fuzz effects is VERY different that what compressors and limiters do. The diode bridge in a Neve compressor is not being used as a clipper as described in this video. The nonlinearities I describe here act instantaneously on the signal. A compressor like one of Neve's or an 1176 or an LA-2A is looking at the *average* energy in a signal, usually rectifying the signal and then heavily filtering it that rectified version, and then reducing the gain (or not) based on that. That's the "side chain." The diode bridge really has two inputs -- one is the main audio signal, the other is the control signal used to control the amount of gain. By changing the amount of bias current running through diodes you effectively change their dynamic resistance. An 1176 uses the voltage on the base of a JFET as its dynamic resistance element. The clippers I describe in the video just have a single input, the signal. A compressor/limiter gain control element has two inputs.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
That said, I have seen people use diode bridge structures as clippers (again, that's not how Neve is using it). Check out this paper by my colleague Marshall Leach, where he uses rings of Zeners: leachlegacy.ece.gatech.edu/papers/fmlimiter.pdf
@MixMeMcGee
@MixMeMcGee 2 года назад
Thank you so much! This paper is rad
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
@@MixMeMcGee Happy to help!
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
@@MixMeMcGee Marshall was amazing. You should check out his website (If you just google Marshall Leach) it's the first hit.
@mathieudoe9748
@mathieudoe9748 8 месяцев назад
How does hard clipping (back to back diodes) works ?
@ckngmad1357
@ckngmad1357 10 месяцев назад
I'm learning a lot man, it's easy to understand and informative thank you 🙏🙏 Can u please do analytical schematic of Mountainking Megalith please? Cause that pedal is the heaviest fuzz ever in universe Crazy unstable low end texture
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 10 месяцев назад
Found schematic here: music.codydeschenes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Mountainking-Electronics-Megalith-Schematics.png
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 10 месяцев назад
Let's see -- the first two transistors form an NPN shunt-shunt stage as is typical with silicon-based Fuzz Face circuits. There's a switchable notched filter connecting the output of that to the input of a common emitter amplifier. The "more knob" changes both the biasing and the amount of emitter degeneration. I'm guessing that the CE amp provides some additional distortion beyond the usual fuzz face.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 10 месяцев назад
I confess I have no idea what the LED in the middle of the schematic is doing; the way it's drawn it should always be reverse biased and hence off.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 10 месяцев назад
Oh, and I see there's a switch to let you select whether to use the final CE amp or not, so if you have it switched out it's more like a regular Fuzz Face.
@ckngmad1357
@ckngmad1357 10 месяцев назад
@@Lantertronics That was fast hehe. Thank you. So I guess CE Amp means Collector Emitter amplification? I remember some guy on diy pedal forum said that the 4.7k resistor on first bc338 Emitter is "near edge" causing it to enter oscillation territory. That's why on other schematic it's modified to add 220uf as power filter cap and 100r series resistor. What do you think? And if I subs transistor with another npn, same hfe How much sounds will it change? And last don't u think now days pedal are boring in term of enclosure design? Hehe same boxy aluminum Hammond
@robertmann9822
@robertmann9822 Год назад
The catalogue for National Semiconductors, 1983, featured in an appendix a simple circuit for a fuzz box, using diodes in the feedback of an op amp. One of my students, and independently a phone technician, constructed this 'fuzz' circuit. i phoned in to National Semiconductors the fact that both these specimens turned out to be low-noisse preamps, yielding NO distortion. Whoever I struck on the phone predicably intoned 'diodes in feedback of op amp - will give distortion. They wouldn't believe me that their circuit did NOT work as claimed.
@VegaDW
@VegaDW 2 года назад
So, uhh, what does the Gamechanger plasma drive count as? Is that Hard, Soft, or Just Why clipping?
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
That's probably classified information from Area 51. ;)
@silvertongues2
@silvertongues2 2 года назад
I was testing this type of circuit today, with diodes in the feedback loop, there was less drive than I expected, but I couldn’t work out how to increase it. I increased the value of Rf and lowered R1 and it helped, but what I can’t understand is why the distortion increased a lot when I removed Rf altogether, more than I could achieve playing with the values. this seemed contradictory to my understanding of op amps and increasing gain.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
I don't have good intuition for it. I found some counterintuitive behavior when playing around with my Falstad demo (you can download those off the GitHub link in the description). I think having Rf in there gives the op amp more leeway in which it operates "normally" before the diodes kick in. But if you just have the diodes in there, their nonlinear aspect kicks in immediately. I'm sort of spitballing here, though.
@silvertongues2
@silvertongues2 2 года назад
@@Lantertronics hmm yes I can kind of see where you're coming from. and maybe the resultant distortion is related to the forward voltage of the diode and and the amount of current going through them, hence different diodes in the same configuration, create a different sonic result.
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
@@silvertongues2 Yup, sounds right.
@peterbonucci9661
@peterbonucci9661 Год назад
Rf controls the maximum gain. When you remove Rf, the gain becomes very high at the zero crossings. The circuit basically turn s everything into square waves. That's around the maximum possible. As you make Rf larger, you will get more distortion. The maximum output level is is determined by diode branches. If you just use single diodes the output will be between +/-0.6 Volts. Two diodes is +/- 1.2 Volts. A series resistance gives you a different type of distortion. TL,DR: I the inverting circuit: 1. Rf controls the maximum gain. Higher means more distortion. 2. A diode series resistor sets the minimum gain. This is like the non-inverting form, but you get more control over the peaks. 3. The diode network sets the output level. One silicon diode is +/-0.6 V, two is +/-1.2 V. One germanium is +/-0.3 V. Series resistors change that. I like to use an amplifier after the circuit. It gives me more control. 4. The type of diode can matter. I like 1N914s. A 1N4001 might give a different sound. Avoid Schottky diodes. Experiment. More expensive does not mean better.
@nunofalqueto3369
@nunofalqueto3369 8 месяцев назад
I love you
@FilipLamparski
@FilipLamparski 2 года назад
One time I had the idea of making a distortion effect that used two tape heads facing each other... I wonder how one would analyse that :p
@Lantertronics
@Lantertronics 2 года назад
You could do interesting things by changing the relative alignment of the heads, rotating one relative to another, etc.
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