So ends the reign of Twilight Imperium 4, all hail the new master of 4x gaming! Long story short, i have a baby, i just can't afford the time to play TI anymore, and the last 5 or 6 plays have left me feeling a bit bleh about the genre. Then along comes 2nd dawn and BOOM, i just want to play this over and over again.
Rock on man. Great game. After sinking over 100 hours in this bad boy it only gets better and better. Only flaw for me is super experienced players will win 10/10 times if not stopped by other players, but that is true of most games I suppose
I still love TI4 more for its weird war game goofiness: the fun horse trading antics of bribing one another, the voting in council of decrees, and the battles that may or may not happen. Eclipse takes itself a bit more seriously. But … I love Eclipse too, because tech trees are fun fun fun.
i find them so different.. I mean, I see why people compared, but i expected more similarities. Eclipse is like 70 % Gaia project and only 30 % Twilight if u compare. I still prefere Twilight because of the moments, but Eclipse is more of a "game". Solid top 2 in my list.
Always love your videos! I just purchased a used copy of the first edition set and it looks like not too much has changed. Can't wait to get it to the table with my game group!
Yeah, i played it with some veterans of 1st ed and they said asides from the cosmetic overhaul, the main changes are around tech tiles and a few other details. It's 95% the same game as 1st ed in terms of gameplay
I have to say as a 1st ed veteran the only thing really like more in the 2nd ed is the ancients and galactic center having actual minis and not just carboard tiles. However the tech tree still seems a bit wack to me and some additions like the strength 3 cannon and strength 1 missile seem a bit redundant by better options. It's still mostly the same game i love but i can't help but feel like the changes made either add too little or take away something. also they took one of Planta's colony ships and i hate it.
Did I tell you you were going to love this? One of my couple favorite games of all time. It is the first game I painted and it makes it that much better. I just could not have a game this good and not take that extra step. I actually mildly disagree about the confrontation. The game plays very differently at different player counts. At 4-6 players, you are nose to nose. At 2-3 players, there is a lot of room to explore and expand. And the game doesn't get into a lot of fights until the latter half anyway. One interesting bit about the player counts too is that different factions are better and worse at different player counts.
The random tech tiles short circuit so many issues with 4x technologies, where there is an optimal path. You simply cannot plan an optimal tech approach from turn 1 and that's great.
Half price at Pop-Stop currently! So hard to make a decision... I'm slightly cautious about it being my first large scale war game, but at the same time it just looks so awesome 🤯
Way to late for that offer, but for anyone reading this later on, IMO Eclipse is an excellent first large scale war game. I managed to get some casual players from my group convinced about it and it is a good entry that doesn't intimidate new players with lore. All the different ways your game is influenced by what you find in the galaxy make each game pretty unique and gives less experienced players a chance to take the upper hand while not being so random that there wouldn't be any strategy.
I actually have Empires of the Void 2, but its simply not clicking for our playergroup. Some of the rules feel clunky, and the dice battles involve a ton of luck. However, I find myself super intrigued about Eclipse, which is rated way higher on Boardgame geek as well. Does the combat feel less luck-based than Empires? And if I didnt like Empires, will I be able to like Eclipse?
Had and awesome game of this at 3rd time of playing (was 3 players) two prior times was at 2 and felt OK. But I guess just the luck of what tiles etc came out. Was on the fence with this but after that 3rd game can't wait to play it again!
1st edition is still good too and a LOT cheaper. And if you can find the Rise of the Ancients expansion you can implement most of the changes they've made to the rules of the 2nd edition.
I had a bad taste with eclipse, I played it with some friends but the owner of the game played it with a homebrew faction that was extremely op and I knew that we hadn't any chance of winning so I tried to have fun in other ways besides winning (like making his turns as miserable as possible 😂) I guess what I'm trying to say is that other players can make or hurt your experience with a game unfortunately, even if its amazing.
That really does not sound like it was the games fault. It's like playing monopoly with someone who decides they get double starting money and 400 bucks for passing go
Looks like 1993 Game of the Year Master's of Orion, from Microprose. I'd be interested in playing, not sure I'd want to own it when I still have the original on PC
I'm pretty old school. I have a vid you might like based on your comments "The best game of every year i've been alive", where i go right back to 1977 and do a year by year review. As for 4x, my favs in that genre are MOO2, Alpha Centauri, Civ 5, medieval total war 2, and Warhammer total war 1-3
@@3MBG Sad Endless games aren't on that list, they're pretty awesome and their music is straight up insane. By the way talking about old school there's a HoMM3 board game coming up!
Did they change which 'ring' homeworlds start on between versions? 1:30 shows a homeworld in ring III and they were all starting in ring II in first edition. (Unless playing with more than 6.) I'm another firmly in the camp of this being better (for me) than TI. Close to half the time alone makes it more in my wheelhouse.
I'm interested In this game for sure. How long does a play typically last? Longer games are a hard sell for my group and I've heard this one is a shorter 4x
