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Why don’t you answer questions on the DC inverter you recommended? Numerous people have asked if the DC inverter you recommended will work on their cigarette lighter in their car with a Bluetti. Shame on you!
Hey Professor Hobo. There is a thing I've been trying to figure out for awhile and don't have the test tools, perhaps you could help. I have an early ecoflow and am happy with it. Heres the question, if I have a load on the inverter AND all the solar input panels recommended on a sunny day in full sun, whats going on in there as far as power distribution? Watts out will likely exceed watts in but are the panels taking some of the load or is it all battery? Is there anyway to find out? Does this question even make sense? My wife and I have enjoyed your reviews for awhile now. We bought an overland trailer a couple years ago and your gear reviews we find entertaining as well as informative.
As a few others have said, I'm SO sorry about your tablet, Prof. HOBO. That said, another awesome video. I watch a few channels in this genre, but none do I anticipate so highly as yours. Even when the product doesn't interest me itself. This is a great beast, but I don't see myself shelling out for higher than an AC200L anytime soon. Still, it's fascinating to watch the progression of sophistication of these devices. Thank you for keeping us info-tained for 30-90 minutes each upload. 😊
One of the best reviews of the 50 plus other RU-vidrs that received an EcoFlow promo beta units, kudos to you. Please do a in-depth follow-up on a smart panel 2 and all of the geeky capabilities for on grid and off-grid that it can do
Isn’t it ironic that the tesla cybertruck is probably now the biggest ecoflow competitor? The ecoflow can scale to 90kW of battery storage while the cybertruck stores 123kW. The ecoflow inverter can scale to 21kW while the cybertruck “only” can output 11.5kW. Both have remote everything, heat and cool themselves, and are designed for longevity. The ecoflow would cost approximately $50,000 in this configuration while the cybertruck is $80,000. One looks pretty up against a wall and the other is completely mobile - you can drive it wherever you need that amount of storage and power. Crazy that this comparison might actually be something someone thinks about on the top end of battery storage.
You conveniently left out the $5-10k+ additional cost getting vehicle to home system built. 123kW massive battery that lasts 250 miles. Almost 90k after taxes, will depreciate by 50% in 2 years like most Teslas/EVs so maybe at that point Cybertruck may be worth considering.
@@MaxCaud Actually the cybertruck doesn’t need anything more than the standard wall connector to get 11.5kWh out of it. Just like with ecoflow, the home smart panel stuff is optional and not required for straightforward use.
I have this unit and wired into their smart panel 2. It works but it took a lot of fixes in the firmware. My house pulls about 1.5kW on a constant basis. I have one battery. It includes my 5 ton central AC unit and all the rest of the circuits in my home. I've tested it many times and it runs about 5-6 hours if I do nothing. If I plug in the panels (about 1800W total) and get judicious on what is running I can stretch that to maybe 9 hours. I'm not using the AC portion since it's wired right into the panel. I also got the hub that lets me plug in both older Delta Pros I had. That gives me about another 5kW. Gives me somewhere around 12-13 hours. That didn't work until the latest firmware updates though. I've lost power on two occasions and it worked fine in both cases. Didn't even notice we had lost grid power until I got the notice. I can't speak to the RV or electric car charging as I don't have either of those.
So far 5 channels that I subscribe to have uploaded reviews of this thing today, and nearly 20 other channels across the platform as of just noon. That's it, I'm creating a RU-vid channel so that I can get thousands of dollars worth of free crap too! 😂
If it was that easy everyone would be doing. Most don't understand the time and cost involved in building a channel for years before these types of offers come in.
@@TKCL Lol, we'll see. I don't think they're as discerning as you think. So far the count is up to nearly 30 promotional videos on this platform alone in the past 24hrs. I haven't even checked other social media platforms yet.
@@NikeHM69 that's because yesterday was the official launch and release date at CES, I was there. 30 channels out of millions isn't many. It's part of their promotional campaign to have these released at the same time.
@@TKCL Yes I've known how all of that works for quite some time. They send out a product under the condition that content creators post a video about it on a certain day, usually a launch day. Some people are upfront about it being a commercial, some not so much. Regardless of whether the contract requires the video to be positive or not, it's well understood that a negative review will mean that you probably won't be included in any future promotions. That's my issue with this type of stuff.
We're required by law to disclose a paid promotion to RU-vid and you'll see this appear at the beginning of the video. Of course everyone gets one for free to review. How would a channel survive if they had to pay $4799 to buy a product? Anyway, I never sign contracts telling me what to say, how to say it, or stating the review must be positive. I don't ever offer video previews to the brand either to keep us all honest. So take that however you like.
Dr Hobo - Thank you for the great look at OBPP (one big powerful prototype), way better than looking at YAP. Appreciate your hard work to keep us in the know on what’s coming available, literally AS IT IS. Interesting that EF went the extra mile to have heating in the battery units. Great for quick install mobile power in a Class A/B/C, esp in a partly/not heated section of RV basement; the battery units will protect against cold charging damage. Sorry about the tablet - maybe EcoFlow will help out. Thanks again!!
Ecoflow reminds me of the early 80s with the BoomBox Battle. I mean JVC was KING back in the day with their JVC RC 550 gigantic single speaker with the smaller speakers surrounding it, and SHARP with their massive BoomBox with the double cassette player with slide equalizers, and tons of buttons to get the sound right. Ecoflow is King of the Wattages...just missing the fold up cardboard with vinyl flooring on it, and some Badass Break Dancing.
Frankly, I question the wisdom of sending prototypes (for review) ? I don't question sending out prototypes for private company evaluation, as this, of course makes sense, and helps a company who's developing a new product improve. However, all EcoFlow is doing here is demonstrating their products failing by sending company prototypes to public reviewers.
What you don't see here is we as testers/reviewers often get these new units months before launch dates. We test, give feedback, help make firmware changes and are the middle man between the company and the customer. I personally think it's a great idea and I can vouch the company does listen to us and you to implement future changes or updates. If sent to a private company, the customer is left out of the process.
@@TKCL My point was they shouldn't submit prototypes for review, because it's not a good idea for end users (Read customers) to consider the merits of an unfinished product, which in its final release form might be a considerably improved and better product than a prototype would be. I do agree pre-release units sent for testing and feedback is an excellent idea.
Excellent, real world load testing, thank you. I'm leaning against buying the Ultra, mainly because additional batteries are $2799 right now. I've shared your video with a friend who lives in a condo. I see this as helpful for him. I love the design, it's brilliant, especially compared to the Delta Pro two battery configuration. This footprint is much smaller. Ecoflow did a great job.
I think you forgot to mention that charging the DPU from 240 v 30 amp outlet gives 7200 watts into the DPU. The first time i charged my DPU at 7200 watts I backed up a ways when the display was 7200 watts, a TOU champion.
ain't no way I could ever afford nor do I have enough funds to not afford buying one .. that said I like to learn about these things. I will watch through .. but these "head units" (inverter thing), they are likely not to to allow any connection to other batteries .. other than theirs .............................. locked in
A lot of this is "over my head", BUT as a team Ecoflow person ... super info! I look forward to the Spring redo with release units :) Thanks Professor Hobo!! And cheers to Odi from Oscar the super mouser in NW Montana.
@29:44 Can you confirm or test that the backup UPS that bypasses the battery is somehow converting 120v to 240v? You have it plugged in to a 120v, but didn't test the 240v out.
Great video as usual! You answered one of the huge questions I have on the Delta Pro Ultra versus the Delta Pro. By showing the sine wave when you switched from pass through to inverting on the 20 millisecond UPS switchover the sine wave has no phase shift. That has been a big problem for many of us using the Delta Pro when running refrigerators and air conditioners. When the switchover happens, if the sine wave does not remain in Phase you can get rotor lock in your compressor which is super hard on the start relay and compressor. It is fantastic to see EcoFlow has solved this issue! With the 0ms outlets and this in phase 20ms outlets this unit TRULY is a game changer! I have one on the way from Costco with 3 batteries so we'll see.
Been waiting for you HOBOTECH, and Gavins Garage to present this powerful Ecoflow DPU 7.2K Wh...Bravo Zulu Sir. Hope to see Gavin do one soon in the near future, because the 2 of you content creators always have a fine presentation on the units you present, thats for sure.
This is the only one of these units that I have seen anywhere, that has true UPS, which stands for Uninterruptible Power Supply, Emphasis on, "Uninterruptible" All of the other's are not Uninterruptabl They just transfer very fast, some more quickly than others, but this is completely glitch free, even the most critical loads will be completely safe on this unit, because the load actually never sees the line which means that it is protected from any high voltage spikes, way cool!!!!😊
This is the most honest. Everyone else who tested this swore it could run an entire house, jumbo jet and light up all Singapore after a mere 15 minute power up from a 10w solar panel. And it’d run fine for 5 years. This is the only review out of 10 where people learn. No it’ll shut down. You wanna run your central ac during peak hours. Nope. So this was great.
i watched a bunch of reviews on this unit, and didn't see anyone exaggerate to the level you described. maybe there is one niche reviewer that said this, but one person a representation does not make. Especially when other reviewed this with the transfer switch and smart panel, it was pretty clear you could put only so much on it. and you're wrong about not being able to run central AC (though it will not run for too long). depending on the size and plus with a soft starter (if necessary), it can run. But this system could scale to accommodate such situation, especially if using the smart panel and 2 (or even 3) of the delta pro ultras plus more batteries and solar to make it truly run all day, though if you're scaling up to that size I am start to wonder if your're better off with something like a true whole-home backup system like the anker solix x1 or Tesla powerwall, or heck a standy generator.
Great review. I suspect the 6400-watt limit is due to the battery limitation. It's pulling over 1C from the battery and so the battery is telling the inverter to shut down. I suspect you're correct with your theory of more battery will fix this. This is a great unit at the price till you need to add more battery power. The batteries are quite high. I built my own 240v/48v/15.2kwh HBS.
It's a prototype test model. Jasonoid, another solar channel reviewed this today as well. He said he contacted Ecoflow about it and that was the response he got.
Thank you for such a thorough video. This is exactly what I was looking for. Debating between this or 2 Delta Pros. I can get this for $5k or 2 Delta Pros for about the same cost. Which would you go with?
The only thing that bugs me is no option to hook up the Smart Generator and Wave to it. I realize this is aimed at the whole house backup market which I think is awesome.
@Hobotech: At around 6:10 you mention it can be charged at 240v from a gas/diesel generator. Does the generator need to be an inverter generator or can it be a standard (non-sine) generator?
Nice to see that it offers real sine wave output (not simulated). When you do your follow-up review, maybe address how you would do surge suppression and preventing a lightning strike from turning the investment into landfill material. Hmm... 5-year financing and 3-year warranty.
@@HOBOTECH Ahh... I was interested in a different use-case - using the Smart Home Panel in conjunction with the Delta Pro Ultra as an on-grid power backup. The Smart Home Panel has just 3 years according to EcoFlow's website.
I'm CHICKEN. 450 VOLTS Scares me. Heck even 150 volts scares me. HOBOTECH said at minute 23:30 150volts DC can KILL. On my Bluetti AC300 its MPPT can take in 150volts. But Im CHICKEN___ I staying about 105 volts with 3 x 450watt panels. Im feeding my my Bluetti AC300 with 4x B300 batteries now with 6KW Solar. Most my MPPT's used for this System is under 60 volts. During Summer Days my 12,288 watts Batteries gets Fully Charged just from Solar. I feel SAFE. With the Low Volts. I do Envy you BRAVEHEARTS here. 450 volts. WOW. Thats Mega Zap. I wonder if 5600w input Solar of the Delta Pro Ultra is EVEN enough. For like 3 to 5 DPU batteries. Would LOVE to here comments on This. Is enough Solar coming in for the DPU???
I currently have a delta pro with on additional battery, is there any way possible I can connect to the new delta pro ultra to utilize the system i already have. This application i will not be using a home panel to feed my home. My plan is a standalone system to take into the field.
Its pricing is still way out of whack. It’s way more expensive than a comparable DIY rack mount setup, and wildly overpriced compared to the capabilities of any tri fuel generator or a whole house backup from generac or kohler.
Combo is $5799 with 1 battery and additional batteries are $2999. It is a hefty price tag. EG4 8kw inverter is $1500 EG4 5kw server rack is $1500 So for the combo price ($5799) you could get a EG4 15kwh system. Same 15kwh batteries from EcoFlow would cost $9000. I guess the 240v output is that makes it interesting.
I have a 7000W solar array that is grid tied giving me solar energy when the sun shines and grid power at night. Could I use this for night power and charge from the grid/solar during the day?
I got this with 5 batteries to charge my EV. Well not so fast. The 240 outlet will not work with my home chargers, ugh! They require a ground neutral bond and there isn’t one. I have the unit grounded with the ground screw and rod but still no go. A work-around is a bonded plug into a 120 allows it to work but you can’t plug the unit into a wall, doesn’t like it and gives a fault on home charger. I bought EcoFlow’s ground neutral adapter but doesn’t work with ultra. Also, without the bonding plug, I keep getting error code 274 with a small load and plugged in wall. More ugh…still troubleshooting.
Can you charge the eco delta pro ultra with a EG4 LL-S Lithium Battery 48V 100AH Server Rack Battery through the solar port. The Delta Pro ultra says 150v 15 amp. Will the EG4 battery mess up the delta Pro Ulta BMS?
Professor Hobo, I love all of your reviews and am a subscriber now, but I was wondering why you don't ever actually demonstrate using these PowerStations with solar panels. In buying a PowerStation, one of the most important things (for me) is how well it takes charge from solar panels. I get that you use a simulator to test the solar input, but I want to test it with actual solar panels, EF brand and possibly others, to gauge how long it really would take under different conditions, and how well the panels work as well. Because when you REALLY need a backup battery system, is when you have no electric power AND you have no access to gas or propane, so a gas generator is useless. Now you are only relying on the Sun. How far can you get along with the ECOFLOW Ultra and some panels? That's wha tI am most interested in knowing. Just a suggestion for a future video. Perhaps others would want to see that as well. Thanks!
Because even though I live in AZ, we don't always have sun. I also work at night. The simulator test is exactly the same as using a solar panel. In fact, better because you don't have to deal with the variances in build or brand. I'd literally have to test with dozens of brands to make everyone happy and that's not happening. I'm testing the power station, not the solar panels.
Advice please. I need 15kwh a day to power for power outages that can last from a couple hours to a few days. I'm in Michigan so my solar hours is 4.48, 1,278 Kwh per 1Kw, says need 4.24 Kwh array I'm looking at a 400w, 36v panel, says output DC 39V, 10.25a max, transfer efficiency greater or equal to 21% A MPPT Charge controller of 100a, says 12/24/36/48v Auto, Max Input 100v. Max charging current 100a. Max Input volts of panels should be 30v-45v (for 24v battery). Max Input power of panels should be 2000w. Output voltage DC5v/1.5a Inverter of 4000w/8000w Peak, Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter, DC24v-AC110 And Battery is LiTime 24v 100Ah, LifeP04 Lithium Ion, Build-in 100a BMS, 2,560 Wh Energy. Up to 4P2S (don't know what that means) 48v battery 400Ah of 20.48 Kwh It's only 1000sq' apartment, 2bd/2ba. Old Kenmore Fridge, elec range, micro, dishwasher (which I'd forgo during an outage), a couple computers and tvs, wifi, lights, a mini-fridge, that's about it. No washer/dryer and if I did use my hair dryer, it's 5 mins or less, but I don't use it every day (and my housemate is bald). For obvs. reasons I wanna keep the heat on and the fridge. We'd unplug things we don't need for a few days, but I'll stick with what we've averaged over the last year anyway just to be safe at the 15Kwh a day. Am I on the right track here? Too much, too little, just right? Any part of this not work with another or could be downgraded or done better/easier/cheaper? Any part of it I don't need? Anything I do that's not here? Thanks for your time!
I want to run my desktop Computer or 2 on a solar generator 24/7 with Solar & A/C plugged in at the same time. I want it to run on solar power but have the A/C power kick in if the battery gets too low. Can this unit (or any unit) do this??
Hi Professor Hobo, I have a question if I have 7200W solar panel installed, which is over 4000 w max high voltage PV input, even combine with the 1600 w max low voltage PV input, seems it is not possible to connect it all to the DPU? Should I need 2 DPU runs parallel? Hope can get your input. Thanks!🥰
I received my DPU on Thursday and there are two things I have questions about. When I use the 240v/30a output, which is tied to a transfer switch, the input wattage won't go above 281 watts. This is with inputting the grid power only (120v). I have my charging rate set to 1,200 watts which, does work with the 120v/30a output but not the 240-volt plug. The other thing is when the generator (120/30a output) reaches 100%, it seems to change from AC only(grid) to battery/inverter. When it does this it trips my UPSs into battery mode for 1 second. I can see it on the app, when it hits 100%, the input voltage goes to 0 and it then transfers and interrupts the power very quickly. and the Smart UPS catches it and switches to battery and back to AC. Would you check that on your unit and let me know if you are seeing the same thing?
I think this guy has this what seems like a nice personality but he doesn't really care about anybody does he ever answer any questions or just short with everyone. I get here's a big following but I'm sick of looking through his comments and seeing very subpar responses
I get 100s of comments and emails every day. Explain how I am supposed to respond to them all and still make content? I'm a one man show and don't have a PR team. My content is free, so I can't afford employees. If you want to work for free to help out, let me know.
@@HOBOTECH I didn't say you said that. I was saying it was a limitation of the system, and you mention it being a potential limitation around 19 minutes in. I could have worded it a bit differently to differentiate who said what.
I'm bummed my DP Ultra won't charge in the middle range (3000-4000w) from my RV generator. Yeah it does the 1800w, but I just assumed, with the optional "AC Generator Cable", that it would be smart enough to fast charge to the limit of of my generator. I tried and got that 256 error. It's still a solid unit so far. Just hope they can change some software to allow 90% of the generators fast charge.
My understanding is that the AC input is physically limited to 20A so unless you're charging from 240v the limit is 1800w (15A). The app settings confirm the 1800w limit. The only way to charge at 3600w is through the "Power in/out port" that's used for the SHP2.
@@HOBOTECH Thats what I'm talking about. I bought the optional AC generator power in/out cable ($70). I'm perplexed that port only charges at 240v. I plugged it into my RV 30A shorepower and it throws a 256 code. This unit does soooo much. You would think fast charging it with a standard mid wattage (2500-5500w) generator would be a no brainier. So now Im stuck at 1800w, even though I have my Onan 4000 and a dedicated 30A.
I need a 22 kw whole house backup solution. General offers a $5500 product plus about $2000 install fee plus taxes plus permit plus any changes to gas line hookup plus shipping. I estimate about $9000. What type of configuration would be required for this product to compare to general solution?
I never trust companies that I’ve heard zero about. Especially when it comes to putting massive (potential huge fire) batteries in my house. No thanks. What brand of batteries are they and where are they manufactured? Do your homework folks.
You must be very new to the channel. Ecoflow is one of the biggest and most innovative lithium power station companies. LiFePO4 batteries don't catch fire. They are the safest tech out there.
Looking for power supply that has liFePo4 battery that will do 12v at 25A. You have the 2000 watt hr, $2000. Models that have this, but I’m looking for something under $600 with this feature. Anyone found something like this?
I have a eco flow river pro and would like a video on how to safely “over panel” one so that you can (more commonly) get the max solar charge, without damaging the unit.
@Hobotech - It would be great if you could test it on Solar Charging with your whole house on it fire a few days. That’s the true test of a unit this size, IMHO. Thanks in advance.
Excellent presentation. Thank you. Would love to this review in detail when it comes out if you can get one: Orion XS 12/12-50A DC-DC Battery Charger. Would like to see how truly efficient it is at various loads. Would also like to see how low the adjustable output is, if it can go below 1 amp and the granularity tested. This thing could be a real game-changer (even at lower outputs) if it works as the doc/manuals suggest.
Always great videos....any chance you could make a video on your "fake solar simulator setup"? And could that setup be powered by a 36v battery? Thanks
neat unit but anyone putting one of these systems should check the floor loading of their home … a single stack (head unit plus 5 battery modules) comes in at a stout 652 Lbls. while the full systems (3 stacks) is 3260 Lbs. 😮 That’s the weight of more that most medium cars, not going to stack that in you utility closet without some serous reinforcement 😅
It would be nice to see on the average run time chart, a smaller mini-split ac/heat pump(9k btu) being this seems to be the future of HVAC. Great video, as usual!
EcoFlow DPU is definitely feature rich. I have 8 EcoFlow products when I count the extra batteries. The only feature missing is the direct DC charging of batteries from their EcoFlow smart generator. With all the built in charging capabilities I guess its not needed. Everyone I know with 240VAC needs are to provide power to their well water pumps. I have had no issues monitoring my EcoFlow units with their App. The first solar/powerstation I purchased was a Goal Zero Lithium 1400 For $1800.00 in June 2019. Do the math. It is still functional but its features are no where near the capabilities of todays products.
I have tried to find a power adaptor to make this run a 240V US electric drier and can not seem to find one and the wheels/cart to help in moving this unit around and no such luck. Any help would be appreciated
Loving your extensive reviews, Professor! If you have some time, could you look into the VDL HS2400? I believe it’s their newest flagship power station.
Would love to see video on smart home panel 2, specifically if it needs a cloud connection just to function / how much data it’s transmitting about your power consumption, etc.
