Sorry, I haven't seen on. All I can do it look up the same available info online. Sorry I was more of a help here. To comment on the subject though, you know ECX is a budget based company and if they have a chance to provide you with a running toy for less money, they will. I , however, have not been disappointed in any of my exc and they are among the oldest on the shelf. They break less because the plastic is better. The transmission gears are the ONLY upgrade needed just to have fun. I also use my EXC on an "aggressive bashing" level and they always amaze me. I fully support EXC knowing the tramission gears are Crud.
