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i want a stainless steel version so it matches with all my kitchen appliances...

I know this intro to the MSO-5000 is 2 years old. However, consider that in the $999 configuration, you do get FOUR probes. If you value the probes at $35 ea., you’re only paying $30 for the 4-channels vs 2-channels capability. Also, it’s now well known this scope is hackable making it a huge functionality bargain. Personally I purchased the 5074 model with a 10% discount coupon then applied the hack so I have a fully configured MSO-5354 for $899.10! Hard to beat even with its list of faults.

It might be interesting to keep the serial port hooked up while testing/reviewing it and see if there's a crash dump or anything

Bought the DS1054Z based on your advice. And it's great. Does everything I need it to do and more. Love your show!

One thing to consider: the scope is rated for CAT I. That means it is not rated to measure anything that is directly connected to mains (CAT II) or mains directly (CAT III). Depending on what type of hobbyist we are talking about, that might be relevant information.

You helped me buy my first Rigol scope. I can still hear you “Rigiol, quality shit mate!”

Black looks so much like lecroy scopes, but I do like it. Excited for this scope! Looks pretty good, especially if it's hackable, just they have to fix the lock up bug. Dislike the glossy screen though. But then again, haven't seen a touchy feely scope that has a non-gloss screen.

That model in particular is a 4000$ oscilloscope ... for 350MHz the specs versus price is really not that impressive at all.

Dave - It tickles me the way you apologise for video quality that is still better than 99.9% of RU-vid content.

in 40 minutes it would be possible to show more features of functioning and ergonomic controls.

Although I have several Rigol instruments I would have to pass on this unit. I think the Siglent would be a better choice. Thanks for sharing this Dave.

Haven't seen one that locked up before? When the Agilent 3000 locked up it let out the magic smoke first in your EEVblog #147 - $12000 Smoke video.

I appreciate your work but I'd appreciate it more with lesse emphasys when you speak and a more oredered analysis: After 40 mins video I would like to knw 1. it's worth or not the money it costs 2. dose it accomplish well its main basic tasks? 3. which are its competitors in the market at similar price and how do they compare to this?

Try "games" in the cli. Maybe its a WOPR in disguise.

kinda disappointing some of this compared to the $600 aussie bucks Siglent SDS1104X-E. The Siglent doesn't have the dedicated digital channels (does serial decode on the standard channels) or signal generator (add-on extra), but seems like the Siglent quality is better in general. But maybe that's just me justifying my purchase ;)

After a long debate I purchased a rigol 4000 series 350 scope over the siglent about a year-and-a-half ago ultimately I was impressed with the 4000 and I thought to myself wow for an extra $1,000 this year could really be a very nice scope well I guess this is the next generation and quite frankly I find it underwhelming based on your review they really missed the mark and by the way I hate the black color thanks for the review Dave

the software on this thing is terrible for the price point, oh the irony...this was the company that forced other companies to re-think low cost.

I would buy it for the black case alone. Looks cool.

Most tech I prefer in black, TVs, computers, hi fi but for some reason a DSO just doesn't look right. Who's with me?

If it'll be hackable it might be a keeper.

wanting to be able to identify board revision from fpga logic to mux in or out some workarounds or other board revision specific is a perfectly plausible thing to do, i usually make only the lower half discrete resistors and upper half hard connections in the layout to save space but still be able to differentiate between component population variations

The main question is: can we hack the options?

@14:34 the resistors next to the Xilinx Spartan FPGA, are for 0, 1 boolean binary digit selection pins. The FPGA code in the chip would have some specific settings that can be configured by setting those resistors as variables. It would be impossible to know what those settings actually control though.

I quite like the black, no good reason i just enjoy it but if you can ever get it to lock up again im curious what happens to the freq gen output, if it locks to a voltage and does not go in to an error state where it grounds the output you can cause some problems

I do believe it’s great 4 channel scope for

+700$ for all serial decodes, waveform generator and power analyzer option bundle. Not terribly bad. Yes, it sounds a lot on its own, but if you add this up to the base price, it is still cheap. You can also get options individually (i.e. just some serial protocols, etc), but it doesn't make any sense price wise from what I can see (every protocol, waveform and power analyzer is 270-300$ per option!). So once you want to go with UART, I2C and signal gen, you should go with a bundle and get all other options cheaper. Plus probably 100$ for digital probes. Considering you need to spend about 3800$ on R&S with such options, and you can get 1700$ from Rigol (for 70MHz), or 2200$ (for 100MHz), it is not bad after all. Sure, it doesn't have 10 bit ADC, or super high res screen, but still, pretty powerful for the price. But at the high end of the bandwidth, R&S is better value proposition than Rigol.

Thanks for sharing 👍😀 Nice review 😄

"I just turned on the scope. Time to make a coffee."

Nice! Expensive though. I will stick with my ds1054.

The commands that popped up under "help" are standard Unix shell commands, very close to what you'd get typing "help" on e.g. a Linux laptop. Not sure if anyone's mentioned that yet.

Wow, it looks almost like that scope has a shell. Crazy. I really want to poke around with that thing, the Linux nerd in me is very curious.

Wow, big money.

Can you flick scroll those menus that fill more than a page or do you have to use the dial? - 28:54

isn't the point of this scope is that you would only buy the options needed, which you could do over a period of time if you're a hobbyist, so buying slightly above the base model gives you options, when money permits, to upgrade over time. Buying a 5k scope only to use a few options is overkill and over budget. Buying 1 up over base model then adding a couple of addition options when/if needed

Awesome, Yes pls, do a comparison against the SDS2000, I was JUST abt to push the buy button on a MSO2072A... On hold for now... :-D

what does Mixed Signal mean?

I don't really think it makes much sense honestly..... like you said the Siglent 2000 series is a big competitor. Plus having to pay for serial decoding is a joke, c'mon Rigol, if I can do it by hand looking at the waveform it's just gouging! (And the 70MHz on an 8Gsps scope, insane) Big thumbs down from me, if you want to get gouged at least get gouged by Keysight :P

Well i'm liking the black. Its about time equipment stopped looking like it should be in a hospital ;o)

I would love for you to revisit this scope. I have one and like it other than a few gotchas.

Interesting that it uses sunon maglev fans. Sunon is the OEM for the quite expensive Corsair maglev fans for PC cases etc. Maybe they have just speeced the fan to run quite fast hence the whine.

Where did you get your education? These videos are a masterpiece to watch. Good thing you didn't do a detailed review. :-) You should be the new "Q" on the new James Bond films. :-) Ever consider an acting career?

10:38 Not an eagle...an osprey?

I wonder if this would be a good upgrade in the future to my little USB 20MHz Hantek 6022BL scope/logic analyzer. Maybe sometime in the future!

Better black color for humid region.. in tropical country, white become brown when in air conditioned room. ..

Compare to basic model AND effective fully specd model.

Dave, can you get hold of one of the 8 channel (up to 64 digital channels!) Tektronix scopes? I'd be curious to know if there's anything interesting about the analog front end or how it handles 8 full analog channels in terms of memory and sampling... MSO58XX or the "5" series scopes.

Is it worth $4000-$5000 for a decked out 350MHz scope, no. Is it worth $1000 for an easily hacked scope, I think it is. Rigol is bundling most of the upgrades now for free, except bandwidth and deeper memory. Buy that and hack the rest. The price of those logic probes though, ouch. Siglent isn't any better on that.

The phoenix chipset is the one that catches fire regularly.

Starts at $909.00 @70MHz, 2 channels... increase to 200 MHz and 4 channels for about $1,500 more dollars US... I'm not complaining... they have their price point for making money. Just a bit disappointed. $909.00 was in range for a hobbiest. The 5354 is $4,000 plus "accessories"... The bird logo looks like a Kestrel

With that kind of pricing they just don't stand a chance against the big players. I've tried to get some GW Instek and Rigol equipment for our lab. Purchasing department would always refuse my request unless it was Keysight, Tek, R&S etc. This is not a hacker's or maker's scope. It's not for the hobbyist. They are not competitive with this pricing!

Dave, is this the best for the price?

10:31the central heatsink is not properly aligned and the thermal paste / tape doesn't cover all the chip... Oppsie

Didn't do the tap on the bnc connector test...

So how many of the "upgrades" are software driven vs actual hardware changes? How difficult would it be to er, "hack" the software to upgrade a bottom of the line scope to the top of the line?

Hmm I like it in black, though not crazy about the plastic that does look cheap but the 1.15min is a long boot time and the responsiveness.. .ohh boi sadly very choppy, but perhaps that can be optimized with newer FW. My scope is not the fastest on boottime as it is running on Android kernel, but it is like 25s to 30s but if I install office programs, so I can plug in values on the fly to spreadsheets, and apps like that it does take 5 to 10s longer to open. Hence screen brightness.. are there not a white part you can take a reading on to get an idea of the brightness and get those values across as it is usually the best info to be able to put it into perspective as the camera really does mess such things up. was pleasantly surprised with my entry scope and the screen brightness.. peaking around 420nits but it is also a mobile variant so important you can see it out in the daytime with a degree of sun.i.imgur.com/owKrWvF.jpg and do like HDMI and see those wavelengths popping on an inky black OLED screen, looks gorgeous. i.imgur.com/AwssZqG.jpg The delay with all these wireless iOS and Android app or PC windows 10 app, were in my testing around 0.250ms ballpark and thats worst-case scenario standing out in the bathroom on a washing machine with the door close and the router /old single Google wifi, on the other side of the apartment and multiple concrete walls in between. i.imgur.com/MVst6YQ.mp4 but is it scope in a budget cat around the 400bucks 4ch incl. batt, though not incl bag which around another 30. - 90wfps, 28mpts, 1GSa, 100mb I did look into getting the MSO5000 but it expensive here and after tax and +25% danish VAT and starts around 1400 USD for the 70mhz. LIke the R&S for the screen,, though also quite glary, but besides the 10bit, the specs were nothing to write home about when you have in mind the prices here for such a model. But so far been pleasantly surprised with Micsig though not a fan of their latest OTA update, that IMO seems to have done more worse than good not least screen responsiveness.... but from scratch, it was solid early 2020 I did really like the 256 intensity grading and heatcolor-,map-grading, but definitely some weird shit' sitting and watching EEVblog videos about scopes, on a scope i.imgur.com/vpicXSy.jpg Newbie' so mostly trying to learn.. purchased a cheap (72USD) 60mhz DDS (model6900) from BGs EU warehouse and trying to make sense of what does what..ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Iy2NvuZUYXk.html but for a general overall hobbyist use case, it has been pleasant companion sofar and works great with a cheap current clamp like the Hantek when you pout it in current mode i.imgur.com/0bt36CS.jpg and really like the balance between a mobile scope and a bench scope and I can put it away when I don't need it,, and I can take it around to places and check things, and don't have to take items to the scope and can use it stand-alone or on Power delivery power banks and also be able to use with a wireless mouse. before this, I used these small versions i.imgur.com/CUvVsrV.jpg and that was a pain in the ass as a learning tool and be able to maneuver in. - 70usd (brand MiniWare) and a 20usd version, but mostly gadget-grade devices) i.imgur.com/CUvVsrV.jpg Another thing that also was important for me, was the lack of fan-noise, in this unit they have put a single big fan, that is temperature-controlled and for a good part of the time is totally silent. i.imgur.com/q8jKgdr.jpg i.imgur.com/SmZWoi2.jpg i.imgur.com/jBcyxYm.jpg i.imgur.com/8vBHWRB.mp4 i.imgur.com/8YOXOA8.jpg One thing I would appreciate are if Micsig in an OTA update could dedicate one of the knobs, with the switch-button to the well-balanced 256level intensity grading, as that is a feature you use quite a lot, and it is a minor con to go to the menu each time, same with the CCT.

it not explained even many thing why it have LA with much wider socket! it is actually simple.

So, any updates to your 7+ year old recommendation of the Rigol DS1052E scope for basic lab equipment?

*Up to $5000 scope and CapXons?!?!?!?!?!?*

I would be interested to see how the external interfaces perform USB/Ethernet/HDMI. I assume the HDMI is a mirror of the display but does it support say 1920x1080 or higher? The refresh rate of the web interface if it has one would be good information as well. Thanks.

es recomendable

Still has a highly reflective screen?

I want a scope with a good logic analyzer and I have a 2200 dollar budget. I already have 2 scopes. Can I get a stand alone Logic Analyzer for 2200cad

@10:43 Top right "GoldFinger"? Oh its the UART :)

That boot time is awful. Does it also display a little white dot when you turn it off?

One look at it was enough for me. I do not like the trend to make instruments black. I think they look terrible and I will not have them in my labs. There is a similar trend in software to make applications with black interfaces and I think they are equally horrible as well as being unpleasant to use. Designers need to stop trying to be trendy.

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Do a review on cheap multimeters again! Try out some aneng. I suggest the AN870 as they’re the top of the line aneng. I bought it and I’m pretty happy!

Of course it has much more functionality, but it's no low cost compared to 1054z.

I’d rather have a used hp scope then a new Rigol.

Low cost :)

09:40 - hate sinks :)

Another half-a@#!! piece from Rigol. I admit they are trying to perform with the big boys, they will eventually get there once the design team is replaced. At work, we have had 2 Rigol PSUs since February that failed for the Analog board. I have bench PSU that are olderr than some you out there that still work a treat. C'mon Rigol, step it up!!!

My guess, the bird is a Phoenix. If so are they really rising from the ashes, or maybe the nothing before their innovation?

The chart said it was $3999, that's not under a thousand bucks! Besides there's too much pink on it!

36:54 ... Tektronix offer is a complete joke. 480x234 ahhaha wuuuut

Is it hackable😉

Ohh it's Linux, I wonder if it'll run doom?

I have a DSO138 oscilloscope...LOL

The osciloscope channel

Why is electronic lab equipment always designed for a maximum inconvenient shape ? The entire circuitry could have easily been made into a rack shaped part. (without screen) If these devices would be made flat you could put a secondhand screen on top of it. (with higher resolution) And add a midi controller on it for the adjustment knobs and buttons. Why is audio equipment oftenly perfectly stackable, it`s like these lab companies think you have infinite space and/or this will be the only device you will use from now on and you will sell/throw-in-the-dumpster all equipment you used before. It`s imho time someone tried to find a way to use standard parts to make a hobby oscilloscope (Case, powersupply, CPU cooler, raspberry-pie (for visual output), midi controller, generic monitor, and other parts) Since the only part that needs to be high-end is the signal path and analog to digital conversion.

Not low cost enough for me. I'll get sds1202x-e

> Keysight

can it get bbc 2?

Yet again, not that impressive :( Just for starter no 50Ohm, digital zoom for 2 an 1 mV/div, no high res or eres, runs very hot (i would guess that the ADC and FPGA are 85°C rated but that's just a bold assumption) and awful long boot time.Yes, a ton of memory (memory's cheap) and "high" samplerate (not so high once you enable more channels) but that's it. The base model may be "competitive" but as you said siglent,keysight and r&s have much better value products once you get higher bandwidth models. and for the record, at 999 i'd rather get an used lecroy But obviously, this thing is begging to be unlocked.

@15:59 they almost went all the way with LVJ

EAGLE! lol surely it's a Phoenix...

Owon is looking good - right;)

The verdict is: Wait until the riglol hack is available to upgrade the cheapest version to the most expensive version.

Let's think of four easily distinguishably colors for the input channels! Yellow Blue Pink Blue, yeah that should do it.

Regarding the HIGH RESOLUTION mode: High Resolution mode is accessed via the Acquisition settings. Here’s what the manual says; “High Resolution: This mode uses an over-sample technique to average the neighboring points of the sample waveform. This reduces the random noise on the input signal, generates a much smoother waveform on the screen and improves the vertical resolution. This is generally used when the sample rate of the digital converter is greater than the storage rate of the acquisition memory. Note: ⚫ The "Average" and "High Res" modes use different averaging methods. The former uses "Multi-sample Average" and the latter uses "Single-sample Average". ⚫ In"HighRes"mode,the signal bandwidth does not exceed 1/32 of the sampling rate. ⚫ In "High Res" mode, the highest waveform refresh rate mode is not supported.”

I like to watch these videos and pretend I know what he's talking about.

Rounding up my own thoughts about the unit: It seems to have "decent" performance, the front end is simple enough, but could just be a high bandwidth analog mux with an inbuilt selectable amplifier, would kinda give the same expected circuit for the front end. All the software options seems to be a ripoff, paying 300$ for the extra two channels that costs 90$ up front is nothing but a scam. HDMI output is a welcomed addition in my opinion. The color scheme seems like it has gotten a dose of the "gamer" marketing idea from the general PC world. (Should we expect RGB lighting and Noctua fans in the future? (Though, Noctua fans are though pricey and generally superb quality (not to mention practically silent) so that I wouldn't mind seeing.)) "intensity graded waveforms" suffers the same exact problem that all scope manufacturers have. Non of them seem to know the difference between fading to background color, and fading to 0% opacity. (Yes, the trace color should be static, it is the transparency that should change. (This can easily be checked by generating the 1KHz 100% AM modulated 1MHz signal on channel 1, and have a 90 degree offset 1KHz waveform on channel two. The second channel should then be visible in the faded regions of channel 1. (something it isn't on any scope I have ever seen. Except on analog scopes using the traditional electron beam.))) 10x probe sensing seems like the cheapest and easiest feature to add to a scope, after all, it is mostly just checking for continuity on the connection to see if it connects to ground, if it does, then it is a 10x probe most likely. (Only cost is to have a small PCB for the front of the unit, and literally 4 wires jumping over to the main board, here one can just use a typical 4 pin Fan connector used on most PC motherboards, mostly since it is a cheap and a well established connector.) So why doesn't all scopes have it? (Penny pinching is the answer, until someone wants market differentiation for their cheap scope.) The inconsistent UI of this scope seems like it could get confusing rather fast. But the scope seems to be a bit lacking in its performance, I generally don't like working with an instrument that takes time to just react on my inputs to it. That it needs time to sample and such is totally fine, but clicking around in menus and such should never have an appreciable amount of lag. (Though, even Tektronix haven't really understood that yet....) And now yes, this is too long and no one will really read it.

So basically they designed a $999 scope in order to not sell even the lowest tier models at a loss and everything on top of that is just (supposedly justified) software feature unlocks. That's all great and everything, if you get a one of the $999-$2000 models, but such low build quality in the $5000 model is absurd. This business model actually reminds me of the state of the video game industry in 2018 and having to buy a bunch of DLCs to unlock the interesting content for your games.

Looks like Rigol's CEO still has his kids "designing" the UI. Maybe next time, Rigol. Maybe next time.

14:05 Triple Flux capacitors!

5:23 That's a weird way of saying "$1000 and about an hour firmware hack".

Those complaining about boot time, all modern ASIC based scopes are slow since huge amounts of code (firmware) must be downloaded and initialized to various ASICs on board. Minute and 15 seconds isn't really that bad, Dave Jones just being sarcastic I suspect ...

Dave and his ideas about what is "low cost"

there is the eeVBlog multi-meter - how long until the eeVBlog DSO ??

"Check out the new scope based on their Phoenix chipset. The icon is a... what is that... an eagle?"