Two reasons: (1) the designers did it for the look, or (2) so they can know you opened it and deny warranty coverage (illegal to do so in some countries, but they still try). Maybe even a bit of both.
They do that to save you from yourself. Anyone who has had to do customer service/troubleshooting for either internal or external customers knows what I'm talking about.
You could just look it up. Like most of the analog discovery series it is a combination oscilloscope, function generator, logic analyser, digital signal generator, data logger and a few other things. Its main advantage is the software which can combine many of the functions together to perform things like frequency or voltage sweeps as well as having add-on boards that can be used for curve tracing or impedance measuring.
Diligent: The word, which entered English in the 14th century by way of Anglo-French, comes from the Latin verb diligere, meaning “to value or esteem highly” or “to love. Or whack the Diligent out of it. 🤣 Anyway, nice video. Analog Discovery Pro ADP2230: $749.00
I am trying to get a feel for where this product slots in. $700 Yankee seems high for individual student purchase. I could use this on the benches in my student lab, but the panel should be larger to make it easier for students to use. As Dave noted, binding posts for power and banana jacks for meter probes would be desirable in an instructional lab setting. We would have to build a connection manifold to make this fit our needs. A Kensington security slot would have been handy. I am weighing if I want to switch to an environment such as the Analog Discovery series for student labs. The AD software is excellent, but it would add an additional learning curve for students to get past to execute their lab assignments.
Since this is from the pro line it probably isn’t designed for students. Since this just seems like a better AD 3 then that would probably be a better choice for students.
I haven't used the software, but if it has a traditional "scope-like" interface, then probably ok to use in an educational setting, but if students use this are dumbfounded when they go to use a hardware scope in a job later, then it's probably not the best thing to teach them on. The scopes in my udergrad labs were all TDS-1000 series, and when I bought my own good scope (an HP 54645D), I was amazed at how much more useful it was to have more than 2 waveform updates per second! The TDS-1000 also had permanent persistence turned on - just because those LCD screens were slower than molasses in January in Canada!
I would argue that the learning curve for students shouldn't be any worse than using a normal version of whatever it is you want to use, scope, logic analyser, function generator, etc.
@@gorak9000 The bench setups have a Tektronix MSO2014 and a Tektronix 2-channel arb generator, Global Specialties breadboard, Fluke meter and sundry supplies. The textbook specified in the curriculum is Floyd’s Digital Circuits book. I get the second semester which covers mid scale functions and basic FPGAs. The FPGA work is on a DE-10 board based on the Max10. The way I’ve approached the labs is to start with electrical properties comparison of TTL and CMOS based on Floyd ch. 15. Next we go though building several projects from mid scale integration parts, translate some of those projects into FPGA using Quartus Prime schematic capture and end with a simple VHDL program compiled into a functional block and deployed as a component of a schematic capture. That may not sound like a lot but it does a pretty good job of filling 15 3-hour labs in an undergrad course. Something which surprises me is students, even if they’ve used oscilloscopes before, often don’t understand the reason to use a X10 probe for taking high frequency measurements or how to compensate said probe. I have a hand-out and worksheet on the matter which goes along with the electrical characteristics lab. We have National Insturments ELVIS breadboards which are designed to work with using Multisim for schematic capture. We switched back to using the Gloabal Specialties breadboards which much older because students constantly blew the fuse on the 5 Volt supply on the ELVIS. The Global Specialties unit has electronic protection which resets itself.
If you are unsure about the differences or think there are no differences, it just means you are not the target customer and don’t require the higher sampling rates and such.
The product from the future! I had one too - the Open Circuits book, which I had in 2022, probably before the official release as the copyright notice was dated 2023. A Book From The Future! Both brought to us by the McFly Intertemporal Delivery Services, haha. ADP appeals to me more than AD2/AD3; I like the form factor and alumin(i)um enclosure. It offers some bench stackability. I like the rounded traces on the board. A thing of beauty...
@@EEVblog as you are for in scopes these days. Like yeah, hardware costs what it costs but majority of stuff people choose one scope over other is software. Shame there isn't any open hardware worth mentioning for scopes
To be honest. I dont watch these videos anymore. I would assume, 99% of the people here. Even if they wanted to, cannot afford such stuff. I am not watching things that just piss me off. I rather see cheap chinese gear that 99% of the people here could afford somehow.
I love my AD2 och DD2. But they are both limited by USB 2.0 data rates. I like that AD3 Pro ADP2230 have FX3 so hopefully it will support USB 3.0 transfer speeds.
With age I've kind of been looking more into colored products. Used to go all black. Then realized when you start accumulating THOUSANDS of products like I have, gets really hard to find what you're looking for, so color products are kind of nice in that regard, even if it's a GRAY color. Is that as "FOREST GREEN" as it looks or is it more "GREEN" "GREEN"? It's nice.
I still wish for something like this, but affordable for students, price class about 100 USD. No high demands, for bradboard constructions nothing more than 1 MHz or max 10 MHz analog bandwidth, 8 bit resolution would be needed, including an arb function generator with 2 channels of max 1 MHz, fixed and variable voltage sources, that's it. I believe there should be a worldwide demand for something like this...
Once you get into that price range it is usually better to just buy cheap individual devices, like a cheap 2 channel scope and a cheap logic analyser. At those requirements you may even be able to get away with a decent microcontroller if you can live with the 0-whatever voltage range. I think there are some basic scope projects using microcontrollers, I think there was one for the rp2040 with not too bad inputs.
@@conorstewart2214 I know that it is, even better with 2nd hand, but it should not need to be. the needed parts are cheap, an STM32 or similar instead of a FPGA should be enough for example. Also not many students have the place for power supply, function generator and oscilloscope.
Since when is Romania a hotbed for high quality tech? I mean I'm glad to see my old home country do so well. They make silly high end headphones as well. So weird.
Why not? Can good stuff only be made in USA or something? Sometimes the better stuff comes from where you least expect... I've "recently" found out that Poland makes a lot of excellent stuff at great prices, honestly i would never guessed that some years ago.
@@tiagoferreira086 Never said ONLY IN THE USA. Just not a country you think of for "TECH". Like Taiwan, Japan, China, Germany, UK, South Korea, Switzerland, Sweden, to name a few. THOUGH, cute you thought I meant only USA. I mean personally, my default would be Japan first and foremost.
IT industry in a development country always develops the best as it doesn't require massive investments like for example in semiconductors which is reserved for most advanced countries.
@@BakedPrawns Never said anything pro or negative about the USA, cool you kids have an irrational hate boner for the USA; by the way, check which country leads in inventions. LOL... You're welcome for most computer, cellular, and communication advancements and inventions. Also these platforms you can get on to spout your silly anti-American bigotry. By the way, I'm European Born. Not even an American. Romanian by birth. Second place was Germany... weird I'd have pegged Scotland coming in second. They didn't even crack the top 10.
i wanna see something like this also include a function to drive SDR software by hooking up an antenna to the inputs....the bandwidth and resolution would be awesome... i really like the markings on the board for the different sections.... Teardown took a new meaning with this one! :P
As it is just FPGA with few ADC/DACs you could technically "just" write alternative firmware for it. Or alternative client sofrware That being said SDRs got far cheaper and you'd be getting much wider frequency range out of it... and for the saved money also buy a scope. This thing is overpriced
You wouldn't get much by connecting an antenna to the input. It's missing the RF front end circuitry that an SDR has. It would only be able to receive very strong, nearby signals.
@@rocketman221projects That too. You could attach frontend and a mixer generating IQ signal then send it to ADP but at that point buying existing SDR is cheaper.
I have the ADP3450 but unfortunately it doesn't work well. The software seems good on surface but in reality, it is very glitchy and when you try to use even 1/8th of the full buffer spec, the software glitches so much and often crashes. I even contacted Digilent but they said that its a known bug. It already has a small buffer compared to other similar price point units and you cant even use it properly. So I am not happy with it at all and looking to switch to the new Rigol.
I’ve been recommending Analog Discoveries to any young engineer I’ve met (especially while they are in school since you can get it at a discount as a student). Such a useful and versatile little desktop tool and waveforms just gets progressively more useful as they add features to it.
I really like the design of the analog discovery! The last one I had seen looked like some dollar store USB hub. It looked so awful that I actually lost interest in buying one :D
I'm just impressed the Tektronix 710A I just found in the junkyard still works. I cant wit until these things are 100$. Hell to affording this thing. I got excited whenever I saw a new small greatest thing. Always looking for cool new things and love your work.
what is it? No, seriously. Yeah, I'm a lowly technologist, but I got no idea. Maybe it's too early in the morning. Every word is understood except what it's supposed to do. BNC leads, FPGA, bandwidth, , Analog, digital, yadda yada.... The name of the device isn't descriptive at all. I'm skimming to a fro looking for what is done with it and nothing. I'm impatient. Sorry.
Several people have said this. Noted. I've done several videos on the Digilent Analog Discovery before, so it's kind a implied knowledge on this channel. But I can understand some people might just be seeing this video and have no idea.
@@EEVblog I'm an old timer who likes a chance to ramble and I see a chance here. It's about the urge to help that exists in electronics both amateur and professional. A long time ago I was a lad who wandered into a radio/TV workshop to ask what the coloured bands on a resistor meant. The salesman took 4-5 minutes to explain it all. A week later I came back holding another resistor, expecting to be spoon-fed the ohms value. The salesman remembered me and curtly said he had customers waiting and that by now I should read resistor bands myself or buy myself a multimeter. This was also very good advice. Now to answer in the same spirit to @schitlipz: BNC is the name of the quick-on quick-off connectors on signal cables that have been popular for ages and are just what we like to find on test equipment. For advanced learners, "BNC" stands for "Bayonet Neill-Concelman" and BNC connectors are suitable for coaxial cable connections for all but very high frequency (over 1 or 2 GHz) or high power connections. I step aside now because now you've read my yadda-yada there is surely a queue waiting and eager to explain about FPGA, bandwidth, , Analog, digital,.....
So if this is just a slightly better AD3 with a larger buffer, why did they need a larger FPGA? Surely it would be cheaper to add a high speed SDRAM or similar to increase the buffer size.
@@jaro6985 did you read my comment before you replied? If all they wanted was a larger buffer then why upgrade to a bigger FPGA rather than adding RAM? All the extra resources in the larger FPGA other than the block ram will be wasted unless they added extra features that used them.
@@jaro6985 still not the point even if true, FPGAs are expensive, you want to use the smallest one you can manage with. From what I could see they doubled the cost of the FPGA used in the board just for extra buffer size.
This was a weird video, one Item in mailbag that turns out to be from a decent company with a product that is not for sale yet. Can't turn it on because it's not compatible in anyway to the earlier variants, but we know its kinda pricey. Then proceed to actualy use a lump hammer to physically break the case open, that with all the mechanical shock renders this thing fucking scrap, and then we look at the chips all the while we practically worship the software. They don't want it back (obviously) but the software "Is realy what your paying for" but the chips are quite expensive. In conclusion we know nothing except the software is awesome and its broken, but we can't prove that because the awesome software "doesn't exist"....very odd video IMO...cheers!!
Both true. Straight up aluminium is kinda useless nasty gummy stuff, so practically all .... practical aluminium is alloyed with something to suit the processing and application. This one would be alloyed with material to improve extrusion. Then chopped off and anodized. So both "alloy" and "anodized".
Test equipment. Primarily used in a lab environment with students. You can generate, analyze, monitor and play with waveforms. There is also a multimeter and logger function. Meh, very narrow bandwidth. I don't see the point of such a thing for my own personal or professional use.
