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Review of two $100 class soldering stations.
Can the new Weller WE1010 beat the venerable Hakko FX888D?
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@jamescaldwell2095 4 года назад

"I haven't used this in anger yet." 😂 that's what I need to know. How tools perform when you're ready to start throwing things.

@tingvictoriano6517 4 года назад

LOL

@mattde1976 3 года назад

@Travis Ireland LOL I have 888 for 2 years not single time need to throw it 😂😂😂😂😂

@divewizard 6 лет назад

The temperature sensor for the weller is in the tip. The Hakko is in the heating element, that is why the Weller take longer to apparently heat up, and why it cools down faster on your sponge test.

@thanatosor 14 дней назад

So is Hakko worthy ?

@bkboggy 6 лет назад

I bought my FX888D about a year ago. I was feeling a bit torn about buying it, because it looked like a poorly designed toy. I almost went for a Weller station (I think that's also a decent choice based on recommendations). However, once I got the Hakko, I was blown away by its build quality and how well it works. Don't let its looks deter you from giving it a try. The aesthetic actually grew on me and I like how it looks now -- it has a certain character to it and it's an interesting talking point with anyone who's unfamiliar with Hakko. I'm a Software Engineer, so I don't mess with electronics often, but when I do, this thing does the job and does it well.

@supersabrosinho 4 года назад

Yeah that's the only thing that's keeping me from buying right. It looks like a toy that comes in happy meals 🤣😆

@els1f 4 года назад

@@supersabrosinho that is 100% what I'm going through rn😄

@supersabrosinho 4 года назад

@@els1f I went ahead and bought it. I've never worked with such an nice iron, well worth it!

@vejymonsta3006 4 года назад

Not bad. I know some software guys that use those wunhunglo 10 dollar irons on government equipment.

@michaeldean5787 4 года назад

Haha my thoughts exactly. You've convinced me and I'll get mine now

@tomvleeuwen 6 лет назад

The Hakko clearly has an 80's alarm clock interface, as +louisrossman would call it :-)

@Josieemon 6 лет назад

i dont have much of a problem with it as i dont need to change temperature that much, but i do agree that changing temperature is a huge pain.

@Newberntrains 6 лет назад

For UI the Weller is easy but if u never change temps and use it for light use the Weller would work

@rasz 6 лет назад

its programming VCR timer interface :/ + looks like HAKKO lies about temperature - doesnt show the drop for couple of seconds, like garbage chinese clones

@Maskddingo 6 лет назад

Is it odd that I just want a knob to adjust temperature? It's almost immediate, and it's like having potentially infinite 'memories'. Repeatedly mashing buttons to get to a given temperature range doe not inspire me to want one of these things. I change temperature enough when I'm working that this is a major consideration for me. I get that there are 'memories' with the digital buttons, but I can't see how those would be easy to access, or remember what temp is in what location. All this is solved by a knob or two.

@WCM1945 4 года назад

@@KevinJDildonik It's odd that the Weller shows places for presets. That's probably gonna be a "-P" model coming out later for another $50.

@danners4302 6 лет назад

11:06 you'll thank me later

@alvawayfarer6096 3 года назад

@Joe Lachiana \[T]/

@kmorger 6 лет назад

I was a huge Weller fan, until I tried my first Hakko. We have Metcals at work, so I'm well aware of Hakko's limitations, but for an affordable iron, Hakko's rock. That said, the UI is irritating, and I'd have gladly paid a bit more for a workable UI.

@BryanTorok 2 года назад

That is what is swaying me toward the Weller. Would it really have cost Hakko anything meaningful to put another button on it?

@edinfific2576 2 месяца назад

@@BryanTorok Lacking one more button was as stupid as its look.

@edinfific2576 2 месяца назад

@@kmorger Which brand tips have the best solder wetting abilities (and lifetime)? I thought it was Hakko and Weller, but apparently I didn't know about better brands. I understand there is also a difference based on price ranges from the same brand.

@darikdatta 6 лет назад

I think the Weller simply senses temperature a lot closer to the tip.

@robertosladic3430 3 года назад

Yea i think weller actually senses temp of the tip while hakko senses temp of a heater. Cuz the heater doesnt actually cool down but the tip does.

@thefeet 3 месяца назад

@@robertosladic3430 thermister placement and yeah... like i said above... i don't know anyone that "Speed Solders" and would buy a station in this price range. my vote is Weller!

@TheDefpom 6 лет назад

I think the hakko hides the temperature drop, as though it waits for a significant drop before updating the display.

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

Seems like there is some delay

@Astaldoath 6 лет назад

well if its a drop of 1-3 c i doubt you are gonna notice it in soldering maybe im wrong a drop of 1-2 c in cpu heat isnt that great either, when your cpu is hot u wanna keep it in the 30-50c range

@johnfrancisdoe1563 6 лет назад

EEVblog Alternative theory: The Weller sensor is (thermally) closer to the tip, so if the tip drops to 200, the Weller shows it, while the Hakko won't show until the material in between has been cooled down. Similarly, the Hakko might show the core getting hot before the heat has propagated to the tip.

@Wilson84KS 6 лет назад

John I think thats it, because there is space between the tip and heating element of the Hakko the heating element doesn't cool down that fast. Also Maybe the Weller transformer has less A, couldn't see it, so it needs longer to heat up and the Hakko can hold the temp better because maybe of one more amp. But there is a mod for that Hakko tips, wrapping some thin copper around the heating element.

@helgew9008 6 лет назад

Definitely. It looks like the Weller has the heating element on the outside of the tip and the thermocouple inside the bore in the tip. The result is that the Weller will display a much more honest tip temperature. The Hakko must have both the heating element and the thermocouple inside the bore, which means it measures the temperature of the heating element, and not the actual tip. Due to the design difference, you cannot use the internal thermometers to do a comparison. They simply do not measure the same thing. The wet sponge against the shaft is completely pointless, which is also confirmed by the actual soldering test.

@MatthewSuffidy 6 лет назад

Hakko looks like an SGI workstation.

@VEC7ORlt 6 лет назад

You make SGI look bad!

@csabasanta5696 6 лет назад

Wow, great observation! Now I know why I like them so much. Just take a look at the O2s ...

@xfloodcasual8124 3 года назад

@@csabasanta5696 O2 was actually a giant soldering iron in disguise

@sdiubw8943f 6 лет назад

"All the best stuff's made in Japan" -Marty McFly, 1955 (Back to the Future III) Love the reference Dave!

@Penisdoll 3 года назад

It was excellent

@thefeet 3 месяца назад

From the future 6 years in 2024. After watching this it was CLEAR the Weller was my choice. :) Personal preference. :)

@rossmanngroup 6 лет назад

I can't imagine going back to stations where the heater is not integrated into the tip. It's like going from Axiom Audio M3 to a gramophone. NEVER! A lot of the knockoff Hakko 951 look dodgy inside but they do at least work. I'd rather a ripoff of newer technology than quality manufacturer using old junk technology. I can't believe these are even sold anymore on stations costing more than $50 in 2018. Just watching the time they both took to heat up made me want to cry. It isn't simply impatience that makes these irons lame. When touching the pin of an IC that is going to absorb a bunch of heat like ground or power plane, the temp drops and the iron's controller sends more power to compensate. When the heater is not built into the tip that process takes way longer and you wind up having to solder at much higher temperatures to get anything done, or deal with the more aggravating method of doing work with an iron whose temperature dips. It sucks so bad. Never going back to this stuff!!

@electronash 6 лет назад

Louis Rossmann Have you tried any Metcal / OKI stuff with the curie point tips? I've used Metcal for about 12 years (since using them in electronics factories), and never felt the need for manual temperature control. As you say, the whole point of them is that they boost the RF power to the copper slug in the tip, so work great on both small SMT stuff and large ground planes. I agree - I don't think I could ever go back to using an iron with a heater that is "indirectly" heating the tip.

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

The near instant heat irons are great, but are there any in the $100 price bracket?

@kwpctek9190 6 лет назад

Around $230 now gets 120 watts of American Pace power ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NEUriXoYPzQ.html )

@God-CDXX 6 лет назад

I built a home made Hakko knock off station using a 33 volt transformer from a old hi fi amp and one of those EBay Hakko knock off wands and a few parts from that old hi fi amp and it will out perform bolt of these with a 8 second warm up time

@God-CDXX 6 лет назад

ps I do use real Hakko chisel tips

@CaspaB 6 лет назад

I don't believe the Hakko temperature got to 350 at 20 degrees / sec then stopped abruptly at 350! You need to measure the ACTUAL tip temperatures. This applies to the sponge cooling test also. I suspect the temperatures are measured at the heater and depending on the conductivity between heater and tip there could be quite an error. I've worked in temp measurement and control a lot of my working life and the response of the Hakko seems unrealistic. It gives naive users false confidence in the meter. The Weller is believable. btw: I published a resettable timer circuit in Silicon Chip Circuit Notebook (March 2016) to cut the power after 20 mins idle time.

@UpcycleElectronics 6 лет назад

Charles Tivendale Yup I think Roger over on KainkaLabs did a great job on a video about the Atten Digital soldering iron temperature discrepancies. Although he was doing a video about fixing the problem and looking at how Atten's 2 wire elements sense temperature with a thermocouple in series with the element. The overshoot and calibration temp are usually way off, as are the maximum temperature. I don't trust any of the ones I've owned, but I've never owned or been enslaved by someone with a fat "pro's" wallet. I've never caught up to Mr Jones's and his '$500k pencil.'

@dusanmilojevic3017 6 лет назад

A gay on one forum tested soldering stations tip temperature.He measured the tip temperature and absolute winner is old Weller magnastat.

@Stokosworld 6 лет назад

The Hakko is a bullshit artist. Huge lag on the display vs actual tip temp and creative "Brakes" when it get to temp. the Hakko is a toy.

@giorgiobiso 6 лет назад

The man who designed the Hakko control panel probably still calls friends with rotary dial phone.

@TwistTapeTechnology 5 лет назад

I heard you can get greater thermal output from the Weller, by running it off 240volts... ^_^

@electronicsNmore 6 лет назад

Great review/comparison

@roseelectronics4582 3 года назад

What's your favourite soldering station?

@happyhippr 6 лет назад

you really should do a thermal camera view for the heat dropping sponge test so we dont have to rely on the provided displays..

@jimix321 6 лет назад

A few days ago a frien of mine had to do some soldering work and i let him use my 888d and my favourite tin and he asked me how much did i spend on it. I said 120$ and he said that it was to expensive. That same day he went to buy a cheapo soldering iron and generic tin because he thought it would be the same because tin is tin and heat is heat... Lather on that same day he was asking me for the link to the hakko. You know buy cheap buy twice XD

@GLITCH_-.- 6 лет назад

Are you not able to return undamaged tech where you live? (except tin of course)

@jimix321 6 лет назад

But soldering irons get dirty and oxidized as fast as you turn them on (and the cheaper ones even more) and for the 10$ he spent on the welder wasn't worth it to lose more time with it. Pd: I live within the european union so yes we are able to do it.

@GLITCH_-.- 6 лет назад

Well, I'm in germany and I would still be able to give it back to a local store after 13 days of use, for no good reason or when it's broken. I may have to buy something else from them, but that's fine. I rather buy online though because there's an obvious reason here why everything is cheaper there, yet I'd still be able to get my money back for no reason, while they pay the shipping fee. I guess we're more altruistic than Americans, because I haven't heard of much people abusing that.

@daveblane6442 6 лет назад

WELL said!

@GRBtutorials 6 лет назад

Then you were lucky. Right now, the Hakko FX888D here in Spain is at 140 € ($165)! Really expensive in comparison with the US at less than 100 € ($120). Buying the US version and a transformer for 230V to 120V is cheaper than buying the European version! EDIT: Just found it for less than 120 € sold by Amazon itself! Good news for me!

@george8bitsworth 6 лет назад

Boy you sure drew a lot of comments. My little contribution is that my first soldering iron was a 30 watt thing from Radio Shack. After seeing EEVBlog #180 I decided to get the Hakko FX888. To my (initial) dismay I couldn't find one because it had been replaced by the 888D. I didn't buy it immediately waiting for a sale, In July 2016 Fry's Electronics had a two day E-Mail sale, The FX888D was $64 (US) + $5.76 tax (it has been on sale again at least once since then). A couple of notes. Even though I live where solder is pronounced sodder I changed the temp readings from °F to °C. In electrical engineering all the measurements are metric so it seemed right to apply that to soldering temperature. By the way my iron came with the chisel tip. Maybe that is a regional thing. My evaluation based on this video and my experiences is that I would go with the Hakko over the Weller. From what you showed the performance of each is essentially the same. The main deciding factor for me is the Hakko stand--I like that it has some weight to it. Until I got my Hakko I was always burning myself. The stand that I had was so flimsy I generally didn't bother to use it and thus when I picked the iron up sometimes I'd grab the tip. The user interface looks much better on the Weller but the documentation is lacking. The two buttons on the Hakko seem almost inadequate but they obviously kept it simple to keep it in the $100 range--and if you RTFM you can still do anything you need with that interface.

@stefanwilkens 4 года назад

Recently picked up a WE1010 in Europe and I re-did the temperature check with a calibrated extremal recorder. I found that the Weller does get very close to the set temperature (certainly within the +/-6 deg they advertise). I could not replicate the 20 degree offset you saw. I used 60/40 to ensure good thermal coupling to the thermocouple used for measuring. You can certainly see it undulate around the set point by about 5 degrees and it tends to be on the low side of the set point - but it's fairly good for me.

@MD0MDI Год назад

Thanks for the Video, was looking for some new irons, but these are rubbish, was hoping for something better.

@JerryWalker001 6 лет назад

You only need presets in the hakko because of the dreadful interface. The Hakko is really 'wider' than the weller because you need to leave space for access to the switch. The step change test was invalid because you started the hakko when you pressed the key but the weller did not start until you finished setting the temp. The weller shows actual tip temp but the hakko shows internal tip temp. An interesting video but the tests were a bit ambiguous.

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

No, the Weller start going up the instant you press the button, it's only the display that lags.

@RaisingAwesome 6 лет назад

Could it be that the Weller tip sensor is closer to the surface/ambient and in turn the temp reading responds more quickly? This could be a engineering trick on the Hakko and compensated in the temperature controls. A true test would be to somehow measure the temperature of the "work" versus using their readout.

@Audio_Simon 6 лет назад

Would love to see review of Ersa Icon Pico or Nano. The thing that stops be buying Hakko or Weller is the chunky soldering iron itself. I want something more delicate and pen like. I have a range of Antex fixed temp irons.

@tookitogo 6 лет назад

Simon Ashton The “i-tool” irons for the icon stations are great. I have the nano. Wonderfully short distance from grip to tip, and the heating performance wipes the floor with the irons in this video.

@robc8468 4 года назад

I like Hakko performance but the blue/yellow blob design looks like something out of my 5 yr old son's toy box.

@kungfumaster8171 6 лет назад

Been using Hakko since I've seen your first video review on them 5 years ago. Been happy ever since

@sibby1177 3 года назад

Does anyone knows how to factory reset this Weller we1010 I tried getting hold of the company they wanted to charge me money with out letting me know if they would be able to help me or not lol. If anyone knows how please let me know thank you

@rdbanks2823 6 лет назад

I’ve had my 888D since it was first released over in the U.K. and I love it, replaced an old weller that was passed down. A lot of people complain about the temp control (but I really don’t mind it, easy enough plus with presets it’s simple. The only bugs are the power switch, the forever shrinking sponge, seriously mine is the size of a 2 pence piece :/ ha and perhaps the lack of ‘stackability’ (but I can live with that for such a beauty of a design)! I am glad someone else has commented on the DIN connector, it does flap around in the breeze! Haha! I’ve had a Weller in the past and used other higher end ones and they are pretty good for the price to be fair! Plus I kind of like that colour scheme... I don’t think you’d go wrong with either to be honest, both looks great! Longevity wise, perhaps I’d look at the Weller (only down to my last one being about 15 years old) however I’m yet to have any issues with the Hakko (a lot of complaints about them burning out but perhaps it’s standby heating, I’m pretty sympathetic when it comes to tooling). Loved the review Dave!

@gradeahonky 3 года назад

This video is awesome and hilarious. I'm an American with possibly the most American accent that has ever existed and I vow to make the word "dickie" work in my tongue the way this guy does. Cheers!

@ZylonFPV 6 лет назад

For those who dislike the blue/yellow colour of the Hakko, it’s available in silver! www.proto-pic.co.uk/user/products/hakko_fx888d_000__50459.jpg

@ottersdangerden 6 лет назад

Futuristic tonka toy! LOL

@Maskddingo 6 лет назад

Why do they insist on making these things look like cheap toys that are from the vision of the 'future' that Hollywood had in the 90's?

@SillyOmega 3 года назад

@@Maskddingo because japenses like designs that are simple. Probaly what makes there stuff last so long.

@Maskddingo 3 года назад

@@SillyOmega um no. You don't have to look like a toy to be simple. In fact, making it look like a toy makes it more complex and thus less reliable. Love classic Haako, but they have lost their way IMHO.

@HT-jn8uh 4 года назад

I use the Hakko Fx100 soldering station everyday at work. The Fx100 costs about $500. The soldering gun on the Fx100 is light and the tip is short. I have more stability and control on the soldering gun. I recently bought the Hakko Fx888D and I dont' like the soldering iron very much. The soldering iron is bigger and the tip is longer. I have less stability and control on the soldering iron.

@Buddy-po4hv 3 года назад

I have a Weller station that was made in W.Germany, 40 years and still working like day one 👍

@thefeet 3 месяца назад

I don't doubt that one bit!

@lewgoogle5530 4 года назад

I am an amateur hobbyist but I do a fair amount of DIY. I have been using a Vellemann solder station for more than 20 years with zero problems. Recently, I may have damaged the Vellemann by leaving it on for 48 hours or more. My intention was to buy a new Vellemann, the exact same model, but it's out of production. Vellemann is not much recommended these days. What's wrong with them? The Hakko and the Weller are at the top of my alternative list, but I read that the Weller power transformer is unreliable in the long run and sometimes even the short run. Is there any truth to that?

@TheDarkTiamat2011 6 лет назад

23:15 that was an unfair race^^ the weller only took like one second more for the same thing, but you gave the hakko a head start...

@fossil25 5 лет назад

Unless you bought the Hako from hako you could have a Chinese knock off.

@Eyem1337 4 года назад

Watched the entire thing, just ordered the FX888D Good video.

@stclairstclair 4 года назад

Eyem1337, After I Bought mine, I then found videos- "real vs fake hakko 888d" I was so happy when I knew mine was genuine, so look for knock offs, and Spend the extra money when you buy the other size tips, Tests show non hakko tips gave poor performance, I'm an old mechanic and this thing changed my soldering life I LOVE it.

@captainscottlum2371 7 месяцев назад

@@stclairstclair ditto!

@stclairstclair 7 месяцев назад

@@captainscottlum2371 Soldering with this unit is like driving a formula 1 car next to Toyota's.

@chocholatemilkshake4799 4 года назад

New Quick TS1200A will interesting thing to compare

@michaelp3076 6 лет назад

I have a Weller WTCPS simple soldering station that I have had for almost 40 years. I have never had any trouble and the tips is cleaner and last longer then any of the newer Unger stations I have at work.

@pibbles-a-plenty1105 4 года назад

Right on!!! I have five WTCP's and they'll still be doing the job when I put the other foot in.

@xfloodcasual8124 3 года назад

If I could go back in time to buy American products, I would. Unfortunately, that era is long gone thanks to American laziness and greedy American CEOs. God Bless America.

@BKD70 2 года назад

The Weller could not have won this "shootout" with Dave even if it soldered Dave's whole project itself, gave him a massage, with a happy ending afterward. Not a chance. The Weller gives you a more accurate display of the actual tip temperature where the Hakko is probably showing temperature of the heating element. If you count the number of times he says the Weller is better at a particular aspect, it thoroughly trounces the Hakko.... but Dave's bias is like "How ya doin'?"

@zanthiel2009 2 года назад

At my company, everyone was using the Weller we1010. I found a Hakko Fx888 in a closet . I set it up and love it!

@obfuscated3090 2 года назад

Neither have a UI worth a damn but the Hakko is worse. I bought the Hakko because they're decent quality but would have greatly preferred the earlier Hakko dial style someone was obviously proud to have disposed of. There is really no excuse for sucking at UI design but the Weller is simpler. I don't use the Hakko in production and never would but the Hakko is OK for building wiring harness. For SMD it makes far more sense to buy an advanced hot air station. Cheap soldering stations are like cheap welding machines, they suck. The Hakko industrial designer should be ashamed of inflicting a NON-STACKABLE case on the world but now Hakko are married to this shit.

@CanaleYouTubeGeneralista 2 года назад

Hi, around € 130 which soldering station do you recommend ?

@spyroskokorinos 6 лет назад

what about the Ersa i-Con Pico though?? it's just as cheap and seems to be a bit more powerful and from a really high end brand...

@felixstoger2800 6 лет назад

napalmspyros Same, I'd also be curious!

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

Yep, been meaning to get one. It was supposed to be part of this shootout but I was lazy.

@tookitogo 6 лет назад

EEVblog Get the iCON nano instead. It’s just a few euros more, but is ESD safe, and made in Germany, not China.

@hoverman15 6 лет назад

My school has Weller soldering kids that have 3 buttons that can be used for presets. Looks like they just used the same LCD and removed the buttons/features.

@krishna34674 6 лет назад

Review a Metcal iron !!!

@viperidaenz1 6 лет назад

The hakko has the temperature sensor embedded in to the ceramic element, so it's measuring the element temperature not the tip. I don't know where the weller sensor is. Perhaps you should do you thermal test with your thermal camera? Element temperature is irrelevant.

@laptop006 6 лет назад

We have one of the 888D's at work, if you simply use the presets at 50c increments that largely gets around the horrible UI. I'm happy with my original 888, much easier UI, and if I need to replace it I'll probably get one of the JBC irons, I've used them and they're great.

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

Yep. I'd probably set 25C increments.

@Astaldoath 6 лет назад

id prefer a non digital temp control and just a digital display for temp like the knobs, set it whatever display tells ur the real current temp thats all you need, next they will be wireless and connecting your soldering station to the internet

@LessTalkMoreDelicious 3 года назад

Hakko better than a TS100 or a KSGER T12?

@mikeypotts4732 2 года назад

Just got the Hako, but if there was perfection this would be it. Literally everything about it down to the rubber used for cording is perfect. Hopefully it lasts for many years.

@geoffreykeane4072 3 года назад

I know this is an old review, but I have had the WE1010 for a couple of years now and have some info. Some gripes. 1. The display is NOT backlit even though the online pictures from Weller show it to be; 2. How bloody hard would it have been to put a RED LED on the damn unit. I have left this iron on overnight or longer on multiple occasions. Unless you happen to glance at the correct angle onto the NON BACKLIT LCD display it is very very easy to forget that unit is on; 3. The soldering pencil is poorly made and is already loose where the metal iron tube meets the plastic handle. 4. I double sided taped the pencil holder onto the top of the unit to reduce its footprint. I previously had a Weller WTCP which lasted me 40 years! I can't see this one getting to 5 years.

@jonstenSE 6 лет назад

I'll take my TS100 any day of the week! Integrated heater in the tip and heats up in seconds, sure it makes each tip very expensive ~$12, but they are high quality and dead easy to switch. Slim design, some may argue that this is a con, but I see it as a huge con as it sits very well in the hand and means it is portable (you can literally fit it among your pens in your bag!). It's powered from DC 10-24V, meaning that you can take you with you out in the field and power from a lipo, at home I use an old laptop charger. All of this for $50, I repeat $50! It doesn't come with any stand, but for the price one can by a decent stand separately. I would also recommend that you buy a good and flexible extension cable with 90 degree power jack (standard 5.5mm DC jack), the cable drapes much better and gives significant better experience!

@jarrodroberson 6 лет назад

FYI - The Hakko FX-888D can be had at Fry's for as little as $79 US on a regular basis. Promo code sales about every 3 months have it for $79 with a promo code you get for signing up for their email list. I got mine end of Nov one year for $69 US.

@ShallRemainUnknown 3 года назад

RIP Fry's...

@mikedrz 6 лет назад

When you reset the Hakko U is for USA in degrees F. A is for Asia, and would give you degrees C

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

Ah, makes sense, thanks.

@mikedrz 6 лет назад

No Problem, I think we found the same online source where the guy says "u is to reset". I had to do some further digging. lol

@robertheal5137 6 лет назад

I don't know any kind of Asian who would think that makes sense.

@mikedrz 6 лет назад

Robert Heal One is for the Asian Market and the other is for the US market. The rest of the world is of no consequence.

@andydunnock8114 6 лет назад

Robert Heal - Lol, you're right, it doesn't. I like to see it as U for USA, and A for All Other Countries.

@superiorbeing95 6 лет назад

I have the WSD81 Weller with WSP80 iron, I acquired the next Hakko up from the 888 and it went on eBay within a week, I thought it was garbage. My Weller is used for hours every day and it just keeps working and has been for years. Some of the Hakko handsets are really crappy build quality.

@GeorgeGraves 6 лет назад

42 mins???? Some of us have a live DAVE! Edit this down ;) The hakko (to my eye) seems fakes it's temps. The weller looks awesome, but I hate the connector they use. My wesd51 has a poor connector, and sometimes read 900 F, even though it's dead cold. Unplug, and re-plug in fixes it, but still.

@TheDuckofDoom. 6 лет назад

Kelvin is the only sensible scale. For serious space saving, a portable kit, or hobbyists, give the Hakko fx-600/601 a go. $30 less than the fx-888, same tips as the fx-888, 70watts on 120v (sold as 50w on japan's 100v, all the same internal part numbers.) The 601 has a tip retainer for a thicker higher heat capacity tip style. (600 to 601 conversion is a $5 part, although discerning which part number is which for ordering was ambiguous due to both translation and corporate-fool issues, two physical pieces, a tube and a nut matched to the tube.)

@TheDuckofDoom. 6 лет назад

And Adafruit has [had?] a $35 "Atten" knockoff of the fx600. I have not compared them side by each, let alone long term.

@stephanesonneville 6 лет назад

Who really want a big flashy yellow & blue toy on his bench where just changing the temperature seems as easy as programing a recording on a 80's VCR ?

@timhip1705 5 лет назад

Damn, thought there was a scratch in my display...

@green_building 6 лет назад

This is what i call Review.. this is very cool and comprehensive 👍 thanks a lot for doing thia man, i really appreciate it 🙏

@sikkepossu 6 лет назад

Where do you need adjustable temperature feature? I've been soldering about 30 years and never had an temp controlled soldering iron. Most of that time I've been using Weller WCTP-S iron with self made power supply for it. No problems what so ever. :)

@ianmacdonald6350 6 лет назад

Used Weller irons throughout most of my career in electronics, and still rate them as the best. Some guys preferred Antex but I never liked them. The cheapest route to a decent soldering setup though, is a Yihua station with a Hakko tip. ;)

@TheAmmoniacal 6 лет назад

You should review some Ersa soldering gear!

@TheAmmoniacal 6 лет назад

LabCat Weller is the worst.

@TheAmmoniacal 6 лет назад

LabCat My experience with their gear has been negative in all cases.

@TheAmmoniacal 6 лет назад

LabCat you must be lucky.

@MetalheadAndNerd 6 лет назад

LabCat Did you watch the video?

@MrRecorder1 6 лет назад

LabCat I would like to see a comparison between ERSA and Weller or Hakko as well. I have an ERSA soldering station and am very happy with it, but I also do not know how it compares to the other brands.

@peterwoo2489 6 лет назад

You should revoew the TS100 soldering iron!

@Ender_Wiggin 6 лет назад

agree my fave

@eone199 3 года назад

TS100 is for kids, not pros

@krishna34674 6 лет назад

eh I think Ill stick with my metcal.

@thsinger 6 лет назад

I used a Weller TCP 24 for about 30 years it was never broken and still works fine. 3 Years ago I got an ERSA Pico for about 150€ and I like it very small and heat up very quickly but I don’t think it will hold as long as my Weller.

@kathyquinlan5922 6 лет назад

Dave loves his Soldering Irons ribbed for his pleasure ;)

@KM_Mountain 6 лет назад

On the basis of this review, I bought the TS 100. :-D Sometimes the comments on You Tube aren't just filled with trolls and abuse, thanks to the folks who mentioned it! Not got it yet, but seems perfect for me as a hobbyist and also as someone who requires it from time to time professionally in the field. Rossmann's review sealed it for me.

@CliveChamberlain946 6 лет назад

IMO the starter range is under $20, while these two are at the top end of the getting serious range. Beyond that, with big $$ possibly getting lost on wrecked projects one should choose wisely and Pace said they'd send in their new ADS200 (120w @ $239 USD). That's the review I'll be waiting for..

@CliveChamberlain946 6 лет назад

Today $10 buys the beginner a 60W Mustool MT223 for his/her 1st year (or until serious). Light duty regulated irons run from $30 to $150 (search YT for "HAKKO T12 Temperature Controlled Soldering Iron Kit"), but they still don't have the guts or the long-life pro tips like JBC, Metcal or Pace.

@MrThebigcheese123 2 года назад

You should review the Tenma 80w soldering station with Hakko tips. It's a beast, maintains 350c with ease while boiling the water into steam continuously. it is about £90 in the UK. I would rate it over both of these as a starter iron. :D

@miip 6 лет назад

Can you review the Ersa i-CON PICO?

@alterratz665 6 лет назад

Ersa soldering stations are the best in my opinion :-)

@matthew3p 6 лет назад

Great Scott?

@tookitogo 6 лет назад

Christoph Bubel Just buy the icon nano. You won’t regret it!!

@gabiold 6 лет назад

+Antonio Tejada They are great! We use several onr for serial production at work for about 5 years now, and are working petfectly. Only two cables failed after few years, but none of the heaters or stations failed so far. A huge step ahead in my opinion, we had continuous problems with Wellers before. Not mentioning the price...

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

The RDS80 is cheaper at $100 and has presets.

@sam-douglas 5 лет назад

exactly the comparison i was looking for. thanks!

@bruhdabones 6 лет назад

The Hakko fx888d can be bought in different configurations, especially on amazon. Mine included a chisel tip and the flush (90 degree) wire cutters. Don’t knock Hakko for your cone tip, knock your supplier!

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

Fair call.

@bruhdabones 6 лет назад

EEVblog Thanks for the reply! I’m a sophomore in High School (USA). I got the 888d as a Christmas present over a year ago! It’s wonderful :D

@MrTompkins 3 года назад

I'm going to buy the one "built like a brick dunny". Thanks for the review!

@thesimbon 6 лет назад

I have the hakko and I like the compact size and the brass cleaning tip inside the holder saves also extra space. I personally hardly use the sponge as the tips gets cleaned really well with the brass. I agree that the analog version is more straightforward in changing the temperature with just a knob, but once you get the presets configured it is actually fast to change between them using just a button

@Brian-uq6jm 4 года назад

Having used rotary knobs on all my soldering irons, that atrocious Hakko UI is a pain in the rear end just to look at. :D

@andrewkowalczyk1156 6 лет назад

You'd have a hard time convincing me to trade in my Metcal for either of these, even though I got it for roughly the same price by parting it together on ebay

@BobaFettBountyHunter 3 года назад

Which Metcal do you have that I can buy retail for $100? I would like to get one.

@daveblane6442 6 лет назад

I WOULD NOT OWN something as GOOFY looking as the HAKKO

@mikkosha 6 лет назад

Had so many Weller soldering stations housing break and burn out that I'm inclined to try out a Hakko now :) It's a bit cheaper than the Weller around here :)

@johnstone7697 6 лет назад

I actually ordered a WE1010 and returned it. Once I saw the familiar lousy spring stand, and the same plug on the pencil as my WES51, I realized I wasn't getting much more for my $120 for the 1010 vs the $75 I had spent on the 51, other than a digital readout . The WES51 performed well while it lasted, which wasn't very long. The pencil died after about 3 yrs of use, first with an intermittent plug, and then with a loose tip that couldn't be fully tightened down. The 1010 pencil doesn't look like it's very different, so I wouldn't expect much longer life. I work on a lot of point to point vintage electronics, so I tend to run my iron fairly hot. Still, no reason the pencil should fail so quickly. I just pulled out my old standby WTCP, which has to be at least 25 yrs. old. Legacy Weller stuff was pretty much bulletproof, but they seem to be riding on their reputation. After seeing this video, I'm leaning heavily towards the Hakko. Funky styling not withstanding, it just looks to be a sturdier unit. Really appreciate the info.

@mikeknowlden5117 5 лет назад

i didnt know nardwuar did product reviews. Thanks for the video!

@naibaf710 6 лет назад

Your tests are a bit invalid, since the Weller has the temperature sensor flapping inside the tip, while the Hakko has the temperature sensor inside the heating element...

@natecontarino1748 6 лет назад

I can play with the knob on my WES51 all day.

@fartrellcluggins930 4 года назад

They stopped selling em it looks like! I want that iron!

@melgross 4 года назад

The hakko is simply hideous. You usually heavily criticize that kind of styling.

@scotshabalam2432 6 лет назад

I love my Hakko 888D but I have to admit the Weller does feel better to work with having up and down buttons to change temp. Hakko has a rather nutty idea with how you set the temperature on the 888D

@boilerbots 6 лет назад

The Hakko decimal point shows the duty cycle, as the temp dropped during the sponge test it went to 100% duty. I have several Wellers and the DIN connectors have intermittent connection issues and it can go open circuit. I have never had a problem with the Hakko brand and have a dozen at work but we used the next step up that has the thin pencil type handles and the tips you can just pull out, never like those threaded holders.

@Cyberjjc 6 лет назад

What's wrong with Fahrenheit?

@HazeAnderson 5 лет назад

Takes longer to heat up. 😏👉 (see what I did there?)

@nikolamasic7395 5 лет назад

@@HazeAnderson If you need to point out that you 'did something' you aren't doing it well.

@antiphet3696 5 лет назад

hahahaha, nothing

@sparcnut Год назад

I've had my FX888D since 2014 and have used it to build, hack, and scavenge hundreds of non-trivial boards by now. It's never skipped a beat. I'm still on the original heating element, and I think all of my genuine Hakko tips are still in good shape too. Note: There is a HUGE difference between generic Chinesium Hakko-clone tips and genuine Hakko tips. In particular, the latter have far better thermal mass. Don't bother with anything other than genuine Hakko tips for soldering. I'll still use a Chinesium tip on my Hakko on occasion - but only for welding plastic, removing epoxy, or installing heat-set inserts...

@BMRStudio 6 лет назад

I’m the biggest Weller fan here :) I have all sorts of system from them. From more than 20 years, they never felt on Me. And no iron or soldering station repair ever! Not even a fuse!

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

Space Jesus Dogstar - The Hakko 926 is famously reliable. My 30 year old still works fine with the original iron.

@justinnink2396 6 лет назад

My Hakko took a few dives off my bench and it's working like a champ

@bruhdabones 6 лет назад

Justin Nink The mark of a true engineer is a lack of coordination!

@kathyquinlan5922 6 лет назад

I have a Hakko 926 that I won as a prize for work skills industrial electronics regional finals here in Perth (I represented Perth twice and received two 926's ;) The one I still have (my ex business partner has the other) has run like a champ for ~ 26 years, the only thing I have ever replaced are the tips :) Mine has had things hit it, been dropped off stages etc. I now own a 888D which is my go to Iron for general work BUT my 926 has a big chisel tip of the bigger ground plane joints :)

@BMRStudio 6 лет назад

EEVblog let me see in 2027 :) both are good brand. But I prefer more the industrial looking ugly German Ursula :)

@2216sammy Месяц назад

I've had Wellers in the past but when I got the FX888D OMG . That thing is the best soldering station I've ever used by leaps and bounds .

@arongooch 6 лет назад

Been a subscriber since the early days of around video 30 or so and have to say your channel is awesome Dave. Couldn't imagine a week go by without a good EEVBlog video. Keep up the great work. Cheers.

@philiphoeffer7442 6 лет назад

I'll keep my FX-951. Though I had a wesd Weller from the 70's until last year when I decided to try surface mounted stuff & decided to relegate the weller to backup duty.

@Arnthorg 6 лет назад

how much do the handles heat up? The handles of the ridiculously expensive weller irons at my previous work literally got burning hot very quickly.

@8bitjunkie8 6 лет назад

Arnþór Gíslason my hakko doesn’t get hot at all

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

Not a problem with these.

@mildyproductive9726 6 лет назад

Leaded, here. I use my 888 at 315 to 335C. To summarize: I can't tell the iron is on/off by the temp of the handle. I can and do use the iron for many hours at a time, and it does not change. My method is to turn it on when I first need it for the day, and it is pretty much left on until I am done for the day other than for tip changes. It is many times that I have picked it up and tried to solder, and after a few seconds of pressing and wondering what gives, I finally realize I haven't turned it on, yet. The thing that finally registers for me is the lack of flux smoke. There's no perception of handle temperature. Chinese 936/888 knockoffs? Hooyah, many of them get hot right quick at the same set temps. I purchased one, recently, and the handle gets hot within 1 minute of turning it on; uncomfortably hot within 5 minutes. One of the clone handles now comes with a feature that automatically throttles down the temperature when the handle heats up to avoid damage. So instead of offering a more expensive handle with better construction and materials, they can continue to sell bottom dollar junk by cheaping out and imposing a duty cycle on the handpiece. 20 minutes of work, manually turn it off and let it have 40 min to cool down. Or simply leave it on and let it reach half your set temp forever after. There IS technology in these "old-fashioned" stations. There's nothing special in the electronics. There are no fancy software algorithms. The technology and experience is in the materials science and engineering and manufacturing methods in the handpiece and heater. I suppose regulations against asbestos are pretty effective, else cheap clones would just load their handpiece plastic with it and be able to compete with the real thing.

@mildyproductive9726 6 лет назад

@Ampor Gislason: update: having just experienced this issue, I have to append my previous statement. It depends on what you are soldering! If your duty cycle is very high and your joints are sinking a lot of heat, the 888 handle can get uncomfortably hot. If you are doing continuous production work with large joints, the 888 is not the best at this, regarding handle temp!

@Arnthorg 6 лет назад

very interesting, thank you

@thefeet 3 месяца назад

What a great review/comparison video. I went with the Weller. It may be hypothesis but I think the temp. sensors/circuitry in the Hakko is misleading as the "delay" is clearly noticeable from the sensor to the readout. If you are not "Speed-soldering" ( i know not of one person who does) go with that one if it makes you feel warm/fuzzy. Weller. Hands down. My choice but that's just me! GREAT VIDEO!

@FooBar89 6 лет назад

but TS100 is so good, you should try one Dave

@Ender_Wiggin 6 лет назад

please try it dave!!!!!!!! it is the bom

@2dfx 6 лет назад

It really isn't.

@FooBar89 6 лет назад

I own both a JBC and Metcal, and I was surprised at how close the TS100 is to them at a fraction of the price; what didn't you like? I got the TS100 btw not because I didn't have an already great soldering station, but just because of the curiosity, and it effectively costed me $0

@skmetal7 6 лет назад

We go through so many of those damn weller iron handles because the cord swivels around and eventually breaks the wires inside. I've been taking a large zip tie and tightening it around the flexible part of the strain relief. Holds the wire tight at least.

@gradeahonky 2 года назад

Well, I bought a hakku partially based on this video. I tripped over the cord and pulled it off my table and crashing into the ground. The this host was right - it's solid as hell and still works like a charm

@SeanBZA 6 лет назад

Hakko also has that software that hides the actual tip temperature till it is far enough away from the set point, then follows the actual temp, but in the interim it simply displays set point only. Weller does follow actual temp in real time. Weller will benefit with some Copaslip on the tip to improve thermal transfer, plus the tips will not seize with long term use.

@EEVblog 6 лет назад

The Weller actually seems to do the same thing.

@Kosmonooit 6 лет назад

I've always liked my dicky Weller spring stand

@christopherkise 6 лет назад

Me2

@Maskddingo 6 лет назад

Weller's stand is clearly safer with the hot tip completely enclosed. It would be very easy to drop something in (or even touch) the exposed tip in the Hakko stand. BTW: The one I have (from an older station) lays flat on the table no worries. It's massive, and not at all 'dicky' (the spring is fairly solid). I wonder if they cheapened up the construction.

@melgross 6 лет назад

I prefer the Weller, no question. The Hakko iron seems flimsy. The Weller smartly protects the heating element. It also has better transfer efficiency. It may seem dicky because it’s thinner, but it is protected, and more efficient, as I said. I also don’t like the Hakko foam tip cleaner. Overall, the Weller is more professional, particularly at this price level. Hate Celsius. Too inaccurate. Too many fractions for any kind of accuracy. I prefer devices that you can select either. The Weller is just so more sophisticated. And yes, it is great. It senses non use, and comes back on when you start. Mine also allows you to reheat the tip by tapping any button.

@dashcamandy2242 6 лет назад

Mine always falls out of the plastic stand. Then again, it's only an entry-level WLC-100... I had to superglue the spring stand into the plastic to keep it from dropping onto the workbench every time I set the iron inside.

@dashcamandy2242 6 лет назад

My Other Weller is a WP40P, its stand works perfectly (a spool of solder that I shove the back end into). LOL

@goldfishapps 4 года назад

Don't ever forget in the future to plug that step down transformer into the Weller before turning it on! As there is no fuse on the input. But I'm sure you would never do something as reckless as that! 😉

@BKD70 Год назад

Yeah, he is stupid enough to. And then even stupid enough to blame Weller for his stupidity.

@GRBtutorials 6 лет назад

"Bloody Fahrenheit garbage" That made me laugh so hard! Yeah, Celsius and Kelvin FTW!

@WCM1945 4 года назад

I still say "centigrade" instead of "Celsius". But then I also say "cycles" instead of "Hertz", so...

@CptJistuce 4 года назад

Rankine or GTFO!

@salmanrashid6245 6 месяцев назад

I have both. Hakko is well built but Weller looks more professional. I use my Hakko all the time. Just started using FX-951 and FM-203-DP. Love the Made in Japan feel of these FX-951 and FM-203DP.

@jokue2002 6 лет назад

Your 350 to 450 transition test wasn't really fair. The Hakko was already heating up as you were still setting the Weller.

@andicus1 5 лет назад

Agreed. Since it takes longer to set the Weller, he should've set it first. It also takes about 4 seconds until it times out and confirm you want to change the temperature. Then it starts heating.

@comettoPL 5 лет назад

It is rather irrelevant - when you are losing your time for confirmation or for actual heating.

@finallyjoined 6 лет назад

I bought an FX888D a couple of months ago, at Microcenter. It was priced at $99 on the shelf, but it rang up for $68. I asked if that was correct, and they told me yes. If you're looking to buy and FX888D, and you happen to live near a Microcenter, you really ought to check it out. I can't imagine that you will get a better soldering station for $68.