Update: The absolute maximum voltage open circuit of the 18K is 600V. Compare to sol ark 15K which is 550V max. And get this! Current Connected is doing pre-orders for the EG4 18K (affiliate link): www.currentconnected.com/product/eg4-18kpv/?ref=wp You can buy 18K direct from signature solar here: signaturesolar.com/eg4-18kpv-hybrid-inverter-all-in-one-solar-inverter-eg4-18kpv-12lv/?ref=cPwLcVc0SW-BjN&PV-product-launch& If you need a sol ark 15K, buy it from current connected: www.currentconnected.com/product/sa-15k/?ref=wp If you need a budget friendly 48V system, go here: www.mobile-solarpower.com/48v-complete-system-blueprint.html *Does off-grid solar confuse you?* Check out my DIY friendly website for solar system packages and product recommendations, and so much more! www.mobile-solarpower.com *Join our DIY solar community* #1 largest solar forum on the internet for beginners and professionals alike: www.diysolarforum.com *Check out my Book* Best-selling and beginner-friendly guide to 12V off-grid solar! amzn.to/2Aj4dX4 If DIY is not for you, but you love solar and need an offgrid system, check out Tesla Energy! They will price out a system and get your house offgrid: ts.la/william57509 *My DIY Solar Equipment Recommendations (Constantly updated! Check here first):* 12V/48V Lithium Solar Batteries: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-batteries.html Complete Solar System Component Directory: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solarcomponents.html Complete 48V System Blueprint: www.mobile-solarpower.com/48v-complete-system-blueprint.html Plug-N-Play System Recommendations: www.mobile-solarpower.com/full-size-systems.html Complete "Add to Cart" 48V System Kits: www.mobile-solarpower.com/complete-48v-solar-kits.html DIY Friendly Air Conditioner/ Heat Pumps: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-friendly-air-conditioners.html *My Favorite Online Stores for DIY Solar Products:* *Signature Solar* Offgrid One-Stop-Shop. Best Value 48V LiFePO4, Victron and Offgrid Specific Heat Pumps: www.signaturesolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek *Current Connected* SOK, Victron, Mr.Cool Heatpumps and High Quality Components. Fantastic customer support: currentconnected.com/?ref=wp *Litime* My favorite 12V budget battery!: www.litime.com/?ref=XBIA62RFcalHns *Epoch Batteries* My favorite high-quality 12V battery: www.epochbatteries.com/products/12v-460ah-lifepo4-battery-ip67-heated-bluetooth-victron-comms?rfsn=7352625.50494d *Renogy* A classic 12V solar store that has been around for ages! DC to DC Chargers and more! renogy.sjv.io/n1VjXx *Rich Solar* Renogy's biggest competitor! Similar products, but at a better price: richsolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek *Battery Hookup* Cheap cell deals bit.ly/2mIxSqt 5% off code: diysolar *Contact Information:* I am NOT available for personal solar system consult! If you wish to contact me, this is my direct email: williamprowsediysolar@gmail.com Join the forum at diysolarforum.com/ if you wish to hang out with myself and others and talk about solar *FTC Disclosure Statement and Disclaimers:* Every video includes some form of paid promotion or sponsorship. Some links on this youtube channel may be affiliate links. We may get paid if you buy something or take an action after clicking one of these. My videos are for educational purposes only. Information is subject to change/update at any time. Electricity is DANGEROUS and can kill. Be smart and use common sense :) DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com
Sol-Ark is flattered that Luxpower has imitated our revolutionary hybrid inverter design, but to suggest that a cheaper inverter is also a better inverter is inaccurate. AC power is more important than DC power, and Sol-Ark provides 25% more daytime AC power critical for those heavy HVAC and well pumps. On the DC side, either way, the batteries get full on sunny days for well-designed systems. That's a long ways towards that price difference right out of the gate, before getting into MPPT comparison. On that note, the MPPT are very different (~50% more for Sol-Ark). Getting to 18kW on the Luxpower is very difficult, requiring maxing out the MPPT which can trigger temperature design concerns on cold sunny days. Whereas it's easy to max out the Sol-Ark PV capacity due to its full sized MPPTs, even without expensive, premium solar modules. Which begs the question - what solar module configuration did Luxpower use to validate its 18kW claim? Can they show any long term endurance testing to verify that specification? Perhaps Will can do his own testing but the video only goes up to ~14kW. Other technical issues - charge/discharge efficiencies are worse and the certifications don't match Sol-Ark - which has UL9540 2020 and UL1741SB options on the market today as required in California and most of the USA grid-tied market next year, and necessary for those utility battery incentives to improve the ROI. Sol-Ark is proud to be the leader in the hybrid inverter. There are many imitations coming out daily, but only one, true original setting the standard. Also - Best-in-class is not just about engineering, innovation and R&D, but it is in the people and treatment of our customer-base. We're now moving into a 300,000 sq. ft. campus sized for 500 employees in our Texas headquarters.
@@Sol-Ark just learned last night about the increased AC output when solar available on the forum last night. Did not know that at all! I posted the spec after I found it. And fortress power seems to be the first imitation. Not eg4. Yes, we will see what listings they will have and how well the support is. I have no idea at this point. I love the competition though! We need more options in the market, for sure. You guys are the leaders in this space 😁 I'm surprised they didn't imitate every specification. Doesn't seem that hard to do. Love what you guys do and have a lot of happy viewers running your units! I don't think I have a single forum member to have complained about your support, either. It will be interesting to see how these other companies will compare. Do you have any plans to lower prices in the future? I assume you guys sell predominantly to installers, but I could be wrong. I feel like the luxpowers and others coming out will be more popular for direct to consumer. I can't wait to see people compete with the 18K in the next year. Perhaps voltronic will come out with something even better. By the way, I sell all of my sol arks through current connected, and they are fantastic! I am glad you work with them.
@@Sol-Ark and yes I need some more strings. They are saying it can go up to 600VDC on the input. I have a lot of viewers that want a sol ark but simply can't afford it and instead buy the lv6548 clones. For $2,999, it's not bad. Not code compliant in some areas but they are cheap and get the job done. Could sol ark make a off-grid specific unit to compete with the lv6548 clones? That would be so cool!! The more competition the better
@@pvbatts there are some variation between all of the models but I'm not sure yet to what extent. They are saying they can have the VOC up to 600 on the EG4 version. I know there are some differences with the fortress power version as well. I put 500 in the video because that's what they recommend is the working voltage. Some of the official documents are not consistent though so let's see what they have when they are listed.
My thought exactly. I bought a Sol Ark and I still would even if this had been out. It’s been rock solid. Specs mean noting if the unit dies or glitching constantly.😊😊
@@NeverTakeNoShortcuts been running a 8kw deye, 15kw solark and this 12kw luxpower. and hands down luxpower is the best value. and the solark has more issues than the others, its very sensitive to unbalanced loads.
@@alexandermoore6027 I have had my Sol Ark for over a year and never once had an unbalanced load issue, and I have had some very heavy loads on it. Of course I designed my system based on the published specification and best wiring practices and use the most recent firmware. It's a non-issue for me.
If you hook two of these up in parallel can you send 24kW to the grid or batteries? 500A? How many EG4 batteries can each each 18K be connected to? Thanks!
In your next video about this can you talk about what you can do if you have more than the 12kpv to charge? For instance if you have 2 server rack tower banks and 30kpv and want to charge faster than 12k. A side question: is there a limit on how much you can sell to the power company where you live? Do other areas have limits?
Most inverters don't like standard generators because the phase drifts as the generator speeds up and slows down, they call instead for an Inverter generator. I think that Sol-Ark can charge from a standard generator. Can you test the EG4 18KPV's standard generator compatibility?
Have you considered connecting an EG4 48V 100A chargeverter directly to the battery. It is designed to work with generators. It would essentially perform the same.
@@lunatik9696 only problem I see using a charverter is if the inverter has software to monitor charging and usage of the battery, you just took that out of the picture by charging from the side.
The way the Solark handles the generator input is incredibly stupid. It is supposed to be one of the better ones which makes me wonder how bad and awful the other inverters are.
The specs for this says that "in case of power outage, this can be used for backup power without use of solar". I assume this means that in the event of grid failure, it does not automatically (with an ATS) cut the grid connection so solar is unavailable. Can I reinstate the solar connection with a manual transfer switch so I can use solar/battery if the grid goes down?
WHY DOES MY LIFEPOWER 4 51.2V 100AH-5120WH BATTERY SHUT DOWN? I CAN STILL USE IT TURNED OFF, THE BRAKER DOES NOT DROP, ONLY THE GREEN LED LIGHTS, THIS HAPPENS IN THE MORNING, NOT EVERY DAY. FROM PUERTO RICO ISLAND USA.
My one question is can it run a full house heat pump, plus electric water heater, etc? I know some inverters don’t handle electric motors (heavy induction load) and such very well.
@@jmacd8817 pretty sure they would say yes. 4kW resistive load on water heater? No problem. Surge on a 3 ton heat pump and 3-4kW load? Breakfast. Well pump? Another surging load but it should be able to handle it. I’ve just about talked myself into one but my pair of 6500’s is still doing it’s job rather well.
can't help but love your content and break downs, that help with understanding what the upside and down sides to all units you show. Really helps when it comes to is this unit for me and my use. And made me realize that what I needed and didn't need depending on application use. Keep the hits coming... love your channel. So very very helpful!!!
Thank you for your kind words! I'm glad to hear that my videos have been helpful in understanding different units and their applications. The Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series could be a great addition to your outdoor gear. Its massive capacity, fast recharging, and waterproof technology make it a reliable choice for camping and home backup power. Keep exploring and enjoying your outdoor adventures!
Question on inputs. My understanding is you can use micro inverters with the sol-ark and run 240v into the generator input. Can the new EG4 do that? Second is that the optimum way to maximize the solar panels?
How would this compare to a victron Quattro 15k? Seems about the same price not saying this new eg4 isn't a good deal... but for $5200, you can buy a victron.
I'm new to this, so please forgive my ignorance. Why is the output limited to 12KW when the input is at 18KW? Why would I purchase 18KW of solar panels if it limits my output to 12KW? What is happening to the 6KW difference?
I believe that is AC output from the inverter. But I think you could be charging batteries with the excess. Plus there's some loss in the system, so output is never equal to input.
hey look inside on the boards, I am curious if all these really are the same - LUX, Deye, sol Ark, Fortress Envy, EG4, gro watts version - yes see software different some. the box, and other components on outside look similar.
So I've been doing a lot of research and I found this video to be very informative. I really like all the features on this system, it's got evening I'm looking for and then some. And for the $$ I haven't seen anything else that beats it. I personally don't care about customer support. I've been in IT for +25y & elevator mech for 11y before that and I don't ever call tech support.
Well that looks very promising, enough to look after our house and I can start with Net 0 and add batteries in future for backup, much much better than the micro inverters option our solar providers are using (we are less than a kilometre from the ocean and here in Vancouver BC with all that salt moisture etc not friendly to micro inverters), great review and again a great product, UL/CSA it is a no brainier, totally awesome! Thanks Will, you bring such a great resource to alternate energy!!! Keep it up!
Software HUI is remarkably similar to the Sol-Ark. As you mentioned, the gripe I have about the Sol-Ark 15k is the amount of room in the wiring area. Also, to use the SA as the grid connect a 200A service panel needs a minimum of 2/0 copper, but SA's punchouts are 1.5". They should have been 2" due to the NEC conduit filling percentage rules. Forget about trying to use 4/0 aluminum.
You are spot on correct about that but I have been able to get the 15K installed with 2/0 DLO cable on the output and 2/0 THHN on the input. IF you want to save $$$ by using the 4/0 Aluminum it might be beneficial to mount a distribution block in a large wire duct (gutter) under the inverter and just use a short run of 2/0 THHN up to the inverter.
@@MrWatlow Good point. After I did my first one, it occured to me I could run the aluminum 4/0 to a Polaris and go 2/0 copper from there. Too late, but at least that and your thought are possibilities.
Hi Will, love your videos. Have you considered making a video on how to run an evaporative cooler on DC. I live in West Texas and evaporative coolers are still being used. Also, could this be economical to the average person living off grid.
Question? I have designed and built my system based on the knowledge you have shared, thank you. I had 3 Eg4 v2 batteries in a rack and I bought a full rack of 6 and they are the newest with the dip switches on the front. My big question is can I just connect the tower of 3 to my busbar next to my rack of 6 and connect the BMS communications or do I need to balance the racks?
This looks like something many people are waiting for, lets see how it goes "in the wild" for a few months, if it proves reliable it'll be a big seller !!! I'm using SMA Sunny Island/Boy which has been flawless for the last 5 years, hopefully they have a good recipe here !!!
I've been testing this 18k unit for over a week now it's working great And soon I will be able to provide tech support for the 18k units we sell And we will answer the phone. Great video keep up the good work.
As always good video Will. You are one of the lucky few who have been able to get their hands on this thing! I’ve heard a lot of complaints about EG4 inverter software issues. Seems like a lot of people have been burned by them before. I love their 48v lithium V2 batteries though. Hopefully they have solved the software issues.
I currently have a Generac generator with its automatic transfer switch, would like to instal grid-tie system and and just connect battery until generator kicks in, it would be so helpful if you do a video of doing something like this, if it’s possible.
Nobody ever checks out the RF emissions from these inverters. Most of the low frequency sine wave inverters I've tried produce unacceptable levels of RF noise that pretty much wipes out listening to any ham radio or shortwave or even AM radio. It would be interesting if the folks that review these inverters would also get a relative noise level specification. Ham radio operators like to go off grid too.
Yes I'd love to see Will or someone else set up an HF station or SDR and see what the bands look like in his shop. I'm betting it's entirely wiped out.. I've been playing with solar and also a Ham. They are very difficult to have working together. I haven't tried any of these all in one units and am admittedly using some cheaper chinese stuff like Renogy and a RELIABLE inverter. The problem is, you take a big risk buying one of these things because it might make your radio unusable. The typical suggestions are that you should twist together the positive and negative wires and shield all wires(conduit), plus buy a bunch of toroids and wind ALL wires through one or multiple toroids at every connection point. So PV wires at charge controller, battery wires going out of it, etc.. With an all in one or larger system(assuming it's a problem) that would mean massive toroids for the very large battery cables you need to use. Those are also expensive to purchase. In my experience(which is not a lot), it's still hard to suppress all RFI from an inverter and charge controller. Mix 31 toroids are usually suggested. Right now I'm working on trying to fix an inverter which creates hash while there are extension cords attached but the attached loads are mostly not on. If there is a higher load then the RFI is much less. However if the load is light, there is a lot more RFI. Already wrapped output wires from the inverter in a toroid which helped somewhat but not 100%. None of these companies really seem to care about this problem. I think it could be a more simple thing for them to actually design their circuits to suppress the RFI vs having us all try and suppress it externally with toroids and various things.
@@optionstrader9637 it IS enclosed in a grounded metal box. The noise is radiated mainly by the AC output wiring to the panel and also from the solar PV arrays themselves. I've put numerous mix 31 ferrite chokes on the cabling going to and from the inverter and it's knocked down most of the noise (about 27dB) but it's still not as quiet as when I run on shore power.
Do you guys have inline water heaters in the US? I have one with european three phase taking 18.000kw in my cabin - for the limited use it gets its perfect, but very expensive to take off grid. This inverter would make it possible
I'm confused on the CT's?? Don't they need to be connected to grid power coming in?? how do the CT's know how much KW the other breakers are using if the CT's are connected on the other side?
hello great video, what would you recomend as my bulk voltage setting on my inverter, i have a 24v100H lithium battery with a charge voltage of 25v and a discharge cut off voltage of 16.5v...... cant figure how to set the bulk charge voltage in my 3kva inverter
This inverter looks very encouraging. Can't wait to see your follow up videos after a few weeks of use. For your next video, can you also look into neutral ground bonding for this device to make sure it's configured correctly for various connection use cases (offgrid, on-grid/grid tied etc).
Think this will push me over the edge to build my first system. I was worried about code compliance and simplicity of design of alot of older units , I think this paired with eg4 server rack and 12kw Canadian bifacials will be the ticket!
@John Dawkins yeah, signature solar said they submitted all the released info and testing for approval. But I'm sure california will take their time and I know the "standards" for those tests being qualified are stupid strict.
@@bschmitty77 thanks. I’m glad to hear that at least the process has started. Unfortunately, we do take forever in California. I’ll hope for good news. If you hear any updates, please reply again. Thanks!
@@bschmitty77 I’ve been in contact w SDGE and Signature Solar the last week trying to get this and the batteries on the CEC list. We are still waiting on SS to provide the testing for the inverter to the contact I have at SDGE and then they will submit. Frustrating, and maybe a bit of a red flag, that SS isn’t eager to provide that. That opens up a bunch of business as soon as these are CEC approved.
My FL utility raised its kWh rates to $0.11 for the 1st 1000 kWh then $0.13 over 1000 kWh each month for residential. Raised about 1 penny. You guys are tough out west paying those high rates.
Really hope to see self consumption working on this inverter. I can’t sell to grid in my area but would like to power loads in main panel if critical loads are met and there is excess PV or battery.
I don't see the off grid diagram in the manual where you can stack two of these units only for the on grid. etc. Is it designed to run two units in parallel for OFF GRID applications and if so, which wiring diagram should be used?
Does the single Current Transfomer have two coils - One for L1 and one for L2? I want to NEVER give anything to the grid but want to take as little as possible from the grid.
Great content Will. I'm amazed on how hybrid inverters have evolved in the last 12 months. Can this unit operate as a 240v single phase system if you love outside United States? Thanks again.🙂
I am currently setting up an EG4 18KPV and just wanted to report my experience so far with EG4 support, I have made 2 calls and have received great support with very short wait times so far, I just wanted to put that out there if anything changes I will post it up. Depending on how this goes I may be buying a second to be able to use Solar and Battery as my primary source (right now I am setting it up as a critical load panel setup only) with grid for back up under extreme load scenario's (it's in a very large house) but we will see, this is my first solar setup (I do have prior residential electrician experience so can't really comment on the DIY end, it could be a bit daunting I suppose but for me it has been pretty simple), so still experimenting.
Hello Will; New subscriber here and enjoying your videos. I am awaiting delivery of your book on mobile solar and am at the design stage of a complete electrical makeover of a travel trailer for full time boondocking forced upon me by failing health and finances. Everything will be DIY. Just getting ready to order cells and EVE LF280K seem to be the best bang for the buck, and if the 6000 cycle life is correct, it seems they should have a long life. I can order them with 2 threaded posts or the 4 female threaded holes. I own thread chasers and know how to use a torque wrench so I'm not afraid of stripping holes. I'm thinking the 4 bolts on each busbar would have better conduction than the threaded posts. Your opinion please! Any mentoring you are willing to give will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Robin
I can understand they may serve the off grid purpose but when it comes to grid tie, I will stay the fk away from any of these. They simply are overpriced for their purpose.
Hey Will Would i need some sort of cut off switch for this unit to grid or does this unit do that automatically if the power goes out, then senses when power is back and starts pulling again from grid? LIke a giant house UPS, thats legal? lol...
Will, I reviewed this video several times to see if you had mentioned the difference in power loss between Sol-Ark and the EG4 regarding efficiency ? I know that Sol-Ark has a company standard on their inverters of 97% efficiency.
Excellent video, but the Sol-Ark 15K produce 3KW of extra power? You said 12K was the output of this model from PV. I would also like to know about the Generator starting function and also how many time slots this one has compared to the Sol-Ark 15K.
I have a Sol-Ark 15k and did a video on it. It can push 15kw (12kw to loads and 3kw to charge batteries) when it’s running on solar. When it’s pulling solely from the batteries (off grid at night) it can only push 12kw to the loads. I’ve reviewed the spec sheet on the EG4 18kpv and did a video on it as well. I still can’t figure out if like the Sol-Ark it can utilize 15kw when it’s pulling in solar energy. EG4 hasn’t been very clear on it thus far.
@@unpluggedtexan Sorry, but your wrong about that. There is a RU-vid video showing a Sol-Ark 15K sending 15KW to the Loads and an extra 1KW to charge the battery.
Yeah, I was going back and forth between the 2(18k and 6500's). It's my first jump into solar for the house. I'll spend the extra and have the options. I'm like you Will, I hate the phone trying to get help, I'll figure it out. sig has some really good PV pallet deals. Go big or go home? Eh...it's better than Solar City for sure...
Kind of a dumb question, but on all these generator accessible connections on units such as this, can a geny be started automatically ? ( if it’s a button start model) I’ve sort of assumed this, but was never sure- plus I only saw 2 connectors as some have 3. ( and I only have a pull start atm..)
sounds like a great upgrade for those of us who originally built string inverter systems before there were any offgrid/hybrid options for grid connected systems. Any panel adds at this point would kill my NEM 1 agreement with utilities. But in the meantime, I could add this, add battery, and when the time is right (after NEM agreement expires) I can add more panels, and handle fully electric home needs plus EV. Thanks.
I just bought two batteries and the 18k. I’m praying I can use your videos to get my system up and running. My plan is to use a generator to recharge daily, while I’m trying to decide if I need to invest in solar panels. I’m in west central Illinois right on the Mississippi River at lock and dam 19.
Hello! I live in the Philippines and predominantly use appliances that requires 220v outlets. What are your recommendations on portable solar power generators and also on/off the grid solar power system that can power A/C, refrigerator, fans and microwave? I appreciate your videos and thank you for your time.
Can you please test all of these systems you are reviewing with an oscilloscope. I would like to see the "quality" of the AC sine wave itself from the inverters going to the main load panel. People may be using sensitive electronic equipment in an off grid situation. The quality of the sine wave is critical for longevity and consistency of the equipment. From my experience the cheaper inverters can chop or distort the sine wave where it can cause problems. Curious if these products are cutting corners in this department.
I've tested all of the inverters in my shop about a year ago and the THD was lower than the grid so it's not even a concern to me at all. If you're buying an inverter from harbor freight then yes you should be worried. When you spend a few thousand dollars it's just not going to happen. I'll keep checking them though, I still do.
🇨🇦/🇺🇸... @WillProwse, will you be, or are you writing, a more expansive book on HOME DIY solar? (whole house... off grid... grid tie-in) I like your little "Mobile Solar Power Made Easy!"... it has its place but it has its limitations. Cheers! 🙂
What a great video. What a great product I hope the long-term is great. There's no way I can afford it right now but if it's a great product long-term I want to get one. What a great idle consumption. I have to watch the video again I can't quite remember or understand how much PV input you need to make it run. It seemed like that was rather High. That could be one downfall for people that don't have a million panels. I'll have to recheck it or if somebody has time they can let me know in a comment. Very impressive . N once again i really love your video presentations.😊😊
When installing the 18kw, do I bring my L1 & L2 N from the meter connection from the grid and install it in the “Grid” on the inverter and then run back to the main panel from the 200Amp “Load” to power my panel? Or do I tie into the panel with a 240v breaker?
Awesome , finally something that just works. This looks ideal for my shop and it should run my AC, lighting tools and possibly my air compressor as well.
I have a question (maybe I miss it in video). Can this thing mix grid and battery power? The reason is I have limited grid input that I cannot increase (5.5kW and non-reachble breaker goes off. I have to call electrician). But I have load up to 9kW (oven) that on only for a short period of time (secs to 1-2min). I need a solution to hold short 9kW load and keep grid input lower than 5.5kW
@WillProwse thank you for the video! Looking to make an off grid system for my house right now. You mentioned connecting the inverter to the bms with the EG4 batteries, is this required for the inverter to play nicely and function to its fullest? I intend on getting non-eg4 batteries. Also, how has it held up thus far, and how have the LV6548's doing? Thanks :)
Question regarding pass-through: When the house load exceeds the AC output of the inverter (supply from battery or solar or both), does the inverter passthrough the grid completely? Or does the inverter passthrough only the incremental power from grid? Example: If house load goes from 10kw to 17kw, will it passthrough all of the 17kw from grid? or just the additional 5kw from grid (17kw load - 12kw output rating) . Thank you
In Texas it does not currently pay to grid tie as those electric plans are much more expensive. But this seems viable for back up power and select off grid power to split system hvac and EV. Ready to get going. Thanks for your thorough instructions.
ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BUY THIS UNIT! My system worked great for like 9 months then started having problems and Signature Solar technical support gave incorrect solutions and unit burned up and could have burned down my house. I'm off grid and Signature Solar dragging their feet with replacement. I have no electricity except generator. Don't get all in one system as if one component goes down you have to replace entire unit and it will take weeks to get replacement. This will cost me in fuel 23:18 tremendously .
