Egyptian Influence on Israel's God | Ben Stanhope 

I love how Ben is an artist! Great how he mixes that into his scholarship and interpretation.

Oh wow I remember watching this guy's channel years ago, I think even before I found Mythvision. Been a long time

Considering that Canaan had been a vasal state of Egypt, I wonder if the Egyptian-styled seals are an administrative motif that's a hold over from this period where Canaanite kings were both the subordinate to the pharaoh as well as an extension of his authority in their territory.

Judaism: 👀 can I copy your homework? Egyptians: sure, just change a few things so it’s not obvious Islam: 👀 can I copy your homework? Judaism: …..

Small point. These seals would also have to be understood by people outside of the organization. So an Israeli seal would also have to be understood by surrounding societies.

Thank you so very much for this discussion! I have long believed early Hebraic worship was heavily influenced if not evolved from Egyptian religious beliefs. A great presentation, mahalos! 🤙

The history of religion is like that of human societies themselves, constantly evolving and influencing one another. Thanks - that was interesting.

Ben's presentation is of the highest academic and artistic caliber. I am really looking forward to seeing how his career develops.

I love this format - where you have a scholar making a presentation!

Great fan of Ben Stanhope. I recently bought his book. It was mind-blowing!

I was always of the opinion that the solar influence came from ancient Canaan, Syria, and - in the context of the Babylonian exile - Zoroastrianism. I still maintain this view, though clearly multiple convergences could have included Egypt as an influence as well.

Incredible! Thanks so much for this interview!

This is most interesting!Well done Myth Vision Podcast to bring on Ben Stanhope!

I wonder if it would be more helpful to look at Egypt as a meta culture during this time period, similar to how Latin America shares common Spanish themes across multiple cultures.

The sun disks and snakes represent Seraphim. Seraphim are dragons that guard the throne of God. Just like they guard the throne of Egypt. Micheal Heiser has great work on this stuff

So when it comes to real biblical analysis, MythVision is my prefered choice and finally did hit the subscribe button (long overdue). Very educational again, as always: Thanks a lot for this truly great contribution!

I love this guy, great episode! Definitely will be buying the book.

Hello Derek, I dont know if you will ever get to read this but could you please do a video on "Christians Fasting". The purpose of fasting in OT and it's developmental stages in the NT compare to how they consider fasting at present.

A Q&A with Ben would be awesome!

Great to see Ben again! Going to enjoy this one with some Pringles and Coke!

Great Guest. Didn't the Moses story originate with Ankenathen ? Many scholars claim this. I believe you should bring Jabari Osaze to your channel. He knows tons about Kemit/Egypt. He will connect Christmas back to Kemit.

"The Nelumbium (Indian pink lotus) speciosum was formerly cultivated in Egypt, for it is mentioned among others by Herodotus, and Theophrastus assures us that its cultivation required particular care, Its rhisomes do not survive the drying up of the soil like those of the nymphaea: and consequently, in order to thrive, they must be constantly submerged.The conditions necessary for its growth are therefore, very rare in Egypt, and accordingly it has gradually disappeared from that country on its cultivation being given up. It is generally assumed that it was not indigenous to Egypt, but introduced there at some very early period. I do not know whether there is any specific information upon this point; but its disappearance, after it had ceased to be an object of cultivation, supports the view that it was originally introduced. As it had no connection with the great phenomenon of Egypt-the overflowing of the Nile-it must have held a very subordinate rank as a sacred plant, compared with the blue and white lotus…."The flowers and nearly all the leaves of the Nelumbium are lifted above the water; those of the Nymphaea, on the other hand, float upon its surface; the myths of floating divinities therefore naturally attach themselves to the latter. The Flemish legend refers to the N. alba; the N. pubescens is venerated in the Indian Archipelago; and in India too, although the Nelumbium is the more sacred plant, the floating lotus is also venerated, and lamp wicks are made from its spiral vessels and used in the temples. Does it not seem natural, therefore, to conclude that the earliest forms of the myths of floating divinities referred to the Nymphaea, and were subsequently transferred to the more beautiful allied plant, the rose lotus? "" The Atlantis: a register of literature and science,v2,p.177 "The pink lotus ( Nelumbium speciosum) {India Lotus} produces a seed head 'shaped like a wasp's comb'. Each contains up to 36 seeds the size of an olive stone, which are sometimes called Egyptian beans. These and the roots of the lily were eaten in ancient times. Models of the seed heads made of clay and faience have been found but none dates from earlier than the Eughteenth Dynasty, when the pink lotus was introduced into Egypt." Egyptian Food and Drink, p. 26

Not many people will bring up serpents and early yawhe worship makes sense though if you study ancient religion the serpent was a holy animal in every ancient religion and even represents kundalini the means used the shape of the serpent for the steps on their temples I also like to discuss suppressed history

To be sure, the Egyptian lotus is native to India and used to represent the ACHARYAS-BUDHA / OSIRIS-PTAH as the MOORish COPTS were the MAURYA GUPTAS

Great video. I've seen these seals of winged sun and winged snakes, great to see it all compiled in one place, and more. A bunch of good info (but not too much to overwhelm), plus great art, an awesome presentation.

As a matter of example: the word Messiah is highly likely to come from the egyptian word Msh that means Crocodile in reference to the crocodile oil used to anoint the new Pharaoh

A great presenter! And fantastic hairstyle, like Derek's but gone wild.

Facinating info!

I'm impressed by the amount of historical evidence they brought forth for the Kingdom of Judah

Very interesting. Loved the slides showing the icons.

Fascinating!!

Oh, man! Ben Stanhope, always gives me “Hope!” 😉😉🤪🤪

19:38 - Yes, absolutely. This understanding is echoed, in fact, by some of the legit occultists in the past, such as the Jewish Kabbalah practitioner, Eliphas Levi, in his 'The Book of Splendours': _"The Israelites were forbidden to give divine concepts the figure of a man or of any animal; thus, on the ark of the covenant and in the sanctuary, they dared sculpt only cherubs, that is, sphinxes with the bodies of bulls and the heads of men, eagles or lions. These mixed figures reproduced neither the complete form of any man, nor that of any animal. These hybrid creations of impossible animals gave to understand that the image was not an idol or reproduction of a living thing, but rather a character or representation of something having its existence in thought."_ Most modern people not educated in this ancient symbolism (a la Christians) cannot catch the nuance here. They imagine, instead, NO depictions of Yahweh or his heavenly entourage, because he is falsely assumed to be invisible, omniscient, omnipresent, etc.

*Do you think the 'law' of YHWH not to worship 'images' stems from their desire to separate from these ancients roots identified by the iconography & thus postulate YHWH as the Ancient of days?*

Good work bro,

People forget that it's a cleric's job to uncover the Devine. Any religious leader worth their salt would be reading their competitors books and learning their philosophy, if nothing else then to argue against foreign clerics who came to visit them. You can't argue philosophy and religion day in and day out without ending up borrowing ideas.

Lovely presentation!

Sigmund Freud has wrote Moses and Monotheism, connecting Moses to Akhenaten.

Btw .genesis 1 is a polemic against almost all sorounding religions .each day of creation has a parallel with another creation account in another religion . Genesis 1. Is essentially " oh. You think your God did that ?" No!"..our God did that " ha

B Stanhope, you could expand your god-feature chart to a book, “Genalogy of the ANE Gods” I tried to comment on your site, but it kept asking me to log in, even after I did login

Yes!!!! Love this

Great show! (No comment on personal characteristics of the host and presenter. I watch entertainment shows for that kind of thing aka fiction movies.)

Conan O’Brien has some serious competition when it comes to Ben’s hair 😉😁

Yeah, the two terms aren't so clear at times; look at Romuva and Dievas

We symbolize Jesus with a Roman cross. We would think it odd that Christians do that if we lost all documentation as to why.

Look at the kinds of structures that have stood for thousands of years in many , many countries worldwide. Just the architecture alone would lead one to assume that the people of those era's/times were more than capable of cohesive literature that might just be exactly what was written. Why would they piss around ? Maybe the bigheads that did the translating weren't as smart as they thought. No drama here, just asking questions that might give a different perspective.....

Ben is a savage!!! He is a top 5 guest on the MV.

I think Ralph Ellis would love this interview

They used those symbols (Phoenicians using Egyptian iconography, Israelites using winged disc's) because all religions bar none are all hiding the same thing using different gods or symbols depending on the culture.. recall the famous teaching of bhudda and the lotus. The entire sermon is just him holding up a lotus.. man decends into matter through the 4 elements and the journey out is the same process in reverse.. this is symbolized by a lotus..a lotus will grow in water with its roots in the earth . It grows from earth to water to the air and reaches for the sun (fire) fire is transformation.. when a person goes through the mystery schools they are learning how to "know thyself" to directly experience their divine part here while alive.. they go through a symbolic death where they experience directly what becomes of us.. this is why they would say that people who undergo the mysteries lose their fear of death.. the sun is symbolic of our divine self.. our spirit.. so horus is symbolic of that transformed person and is coming out of the lotus which symbolized him ascending back up the 4 elements .. Ba'al , Tamurz Jesus krishna Odin and every other "sun" god is symbolic of this process.... as for the winged sun .. that is your spirit that now has the ability to fly or enter the Realm of air (air is symbolic of thought or the mine) it is your spirit which can now soar above the earth and water

The motif of God speaking everthing into existence in Genesis comes directly from the Egyptian creation myth. This motif is not found in the creation myths of the Greeks, Hittites, or Mesopotamians. Later Hellenised Jews like Philo of Alexandria identified this creative speech of God with the Logos of Greek Stoicism (Philo called Logos God's first-born son). In the New Testament this Logos appears as Jesus.

Riding in the clouds or heavens or the spirit is speaking about someone who has passed away

A lot of cultures from long ago worshipped the sun god from Egypt to the Aztecs that may be a reason why Catholics make pictures of Jesus with the sun surrounding his head. The Aztecs made human sacrifices to the Sun god just like the Baals. The jews decided to use bulls and sheep as sacrifices instead but they would also mimic other cultures and sacrifice their kids also. Before the jews were established as a culture a lot of these stories has been around such as the Sumerians. The story of Cain killing Abel sounds like the story of Seth killing Osiris. The story of referring to both Jesus and Satan as the morning star seems to come from an earlier story.

The SUN is God, Yahwah, and all deities.

I don’t buy that the Egyptian winged sun symbol Is really JHWH in disguise.

Any possible connection between the Old Testament hero Joseph and the ancient Egyptian figure Imhotep? What if the name Joseph is a corruption or variation of the name Imhotep? Imhotep was a chancellor to the Pharaoh Djoser, perhaps similar to Joseph being second in command in Egypt to the pharaoh. Joseph could explain dreams, which suggests that he was wise, and Imhotep was also associated with wisdom. Joseph's story shares many similarities with that of Jesus (it's possible that the gospel authors borrowed from the OT Joseph story when writing about Jesus). Having said that, Jesus was a healer, and Imhotep was also linked with healing. Also, Joseph was the product of a miraculous conception and God may have been Joseph's father, similar to how God was Jesus's father. This would make both Joseph and Jesus demi-gods, since their mothers, Rachel and Mary, were mortal women. Imhotep was also a demi-god, whose mortal mother was named Kheredu-ankh. Imhotep and his brother Amenhotep is similar to Joseph and his brother Benjamin. Joseph saved Egypt during a famine, which makes Joseph a savior like Jesus. There is a late story about Imhotep and a 7 year famine and the Pharaoh's dreams, which eerily sounds similar to the story of Joseph. Imhotep was also associated with the Greek healing god Asclepius, who is also very similar to Jesus.

l like your conclusions. ancient jews were residents in egypt and mesopatamia, and elsewhere. citizens or slaves or government admin, probably all. none of it happens without ships, the long haul containers of their day.

You should invite Dr falk on the channel to discuss Egypt's influence on Israel

'Isis Ra EL"??? 🤔🤨, 😜🤪!!!

13:40 Ahaz canned cheeseburger?

*Yahweh as the sun* 🌞 doesn’t make sense in Genesis 1, since he speaks it into existence on the fourth day, just as he does the Moon. If Yahweh is the sun in G1, he is also the moon. G1 is written as if days, including dusks and dawns, exist independently of the sun and the sun just happens to appear during the day. That is a simpler explanation of the 3 dusks and dawns without a sun. But the rest of Stanhope’s assessment about G1 makes sense. “When Elohim began to create the skies and the land…” flows better than “In the beginning…”. Also, sticking more closely to the Hebrew, we have Skies, Land, and the waters identified in in G1:1-2. The traditional translation is awkward and the “Earth” should include its waters, but the text reads as if it is a separate entity.

“We are Woke Vision”

Was the wing sun disc used by akhenaten?

Joshua and Jesus Scepter and Star ☪️ [... = Greek] 1) [Just as] that (IHSOUS), not Moses, conducted the people into the holy land, and that (IHSOUS) apportioned it to those who came in with him; so also IHSOUS XRISTOS will reassemble the diaspora and will allot the good land to each, but not in the same way! ... 2) [Just as] that (IHSOUS) stayed the sun ..., so (IHSOUS XRISTOS) is he from whom [A)F' OU(] and through whom the father is about to make both heaven and earth new, he is the one who will shine in Jerusalem an everlasting light, he is the King of Salem after the order of Melchizedek and the eternal priest of the most high. 3) [Just as] that (IHSOUS) is said to have circumcised the people a second circumcision with stony knives [so IHSOUS XRISTOS by his words circumcised us from idols of stone, etc.]. ... And now I say that, just as by the name of IHSOUS (given) to the son of Naue, certain miracles and mighty deeds were done which heralded/proclaimed beforehand the things about to be done by our Lord, so also I come now to show that the revelation concerning the priest IHSOUS who was in Babylon among your people was a proclaiming/heralding beforehand of the things about to be done by our priest and God and XRISTOS, son of the father of All.

200 years in Egypt. they were Egyptians

But Ancient Egyptians wrote on their walls “Shasu of YWE”. Shasu(Israelites) were Semitic nomads along the Levant. The Egyptians knew He was a foreign deity who according to the Medu Neter, was a pre-dynastic deity. He left that part out…

Hezekiah had an alliance with Egypt, and it was very common back then to share art and other forms of symbology in order to publicize your alliances. Also Hebrew was a language that is arguably OLDER than Egyptian, and the words used in Hab are concepts, not dieties, that existed in Hebrew throught before they ever came to Egypt. Much like "Fate" is both a concept and a God among the Greeks. The fact that there was commonality among languages doesn't mean that Israel was giving credence to them!

*Some Israelites thought Yahweh was El’s underling* Dr Kipp Davis points out that the Dead Sea Scrolls version of Deuteronomy 32:8-12 clarifies that El Elyon was the chief god and Yahweh one of his underlings. The current biblical text (Masoretic Text, Leningrad Text, and translations from them) doesn’t make sense, since the term Israel is used as if it means All People as opposed to Jacob, who represents the Jews. No, Jacob *was* Israel. Starting 24:25 in video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g2cTJcYqu2c.html “When El Elyon apportioned the nations, when he divided the sons of Adam, he fixed the boundaries of the people according to the numbers of the sons of the gods (not Israel). Thus Yahweh’s portion is his people Jacob, the region of his hereditary property.” So El Elyon divvied up the land and Jacob’s people got Yahweh’s territory.

Is it me, or is there an effort to not see the Hebrews as religious-plagiarist lol

Is Ben an atheist?

That's an interesting take Yahweh being a sun therfore not needing to create the sun in Genesis

So what? The Bible talks about Egypt all the time. Big discovery-- uh, no. Dont care.

Anyway. You have missed the point entirely.

Learn how to pronounce all the names properly before making presentations and such.

Blow your socks off? Looks more like you are trying to blow your hair off.

yawn, too much methodology, too little narrative.

I believe a lot of archaeology that is being mentioned in that specific video has less to do with the influence of Egypt on Israel, but the influence of _ Sumeria, Mesopotamia/ Babylonia the images seem to be of the Sumerian God's who were deified/ or worshiped in those time. The Book of Enoch tells us that "The watchers" or the falling where of the seraphim angels mode, or what those would call the anunnaki. The gods of Kemet seem to be either attributes of nature that the_ Egyptian deified or they were statues and replicas build in worship of those seraphim creatures. Many Kings of Israel showed signs of idolatry,_ so making any Graven image of their Elohim YHWH would have put them in error or _ transgression of their Constitution, but unfortunately it seems that throughout certain periods some Kings may have done so. May I add though it seems that; maybe the creations of the Elohim of Israel are symbols and attributes of the Creator's _ "personality or character.."

Boring