Ehrman-Licona Debate Prove Jesus Rose from Dead 

Anna Abrante My college wanted Dr. E and Ratio Christi was down to co-sponsor... Until we wanted E then all of a sudden we stopped hearing from them.

Like a JW,

Just be thankful for the man, I've been thankful for years, Dr Bart is the man, stay safe, also you will learn lots more from him

Theres like 5 things wrong with that statement he made. I havent gotten to ehrmans reply but i assume he didnt point that out. Of his 4 points...thats 1 licona point you can toss in the trash

Not to mention Mark is widely considered the original and matthew luke and john are copies with added (and hugely conflicting) details

people see all sorts of weird stuff. that wouldn't be a strong argument anyway.

We have copies of copies, of copies, of copies, of copies, of copies, of copies of anonymous written statements that don't claim to be eye witnesses, making huge claims of events we have never seen since or before and no secular scholar at the time wrote about these events and in some cases the events contradict each other and claim of events we know didn't happen like the census which never happened. That's as solid proof if I ever heard of one.

When I was a kid back in my forgotten-by-time little town, we'd make tales of seeing the ghost of a headless woman, some would say she's wearing white clothes, other would say the clothes were dark. The tales would spread across the village as truth, and people would be genuinely afraid to go out at night. It probably can be historically proven that people's imagination is real.

LICONA is the one who was extremely respectful to the shouting, bullying Bart who is taking cheap advantage of the fact that his opponent has lost his voice.

How is it circular? Prove it!

@@SugoiEnglish1 "God done it. Problem solved."

Robert Karma you said it precisely. . Christian pa$$tor never answers question with unambiguous verses of their own bible because it doesn’t support their narrative of son of Mary Jesus. They always look all over the Bible to find weak ambiguous verses to support their nonsense. They mostly really on gospel according to John which is latest and most corrupted among bibles . Or they produce from their own mind.

Keep asking after any theistic argument:' Why do you think so?', and eventually it all boils down to wishful thinking and arguments from ignorance. It will never comes down to actual evidence like we can expect from anything real.

When you have nothing else, project. It reminds me of my narcissistic ex.

Sure. Especially when his opponent is physically unwell and has lost his voice so that nothing you find uncomfortable enters your stupid and dishonest ears.

Really??? Why don't you go watch a debate where Licona has his voice and let's see if you can say that crap? The fact that you people completely ignore the fact that he had lost his voice and act as if this was a fair debate is really astonishing and it really shows how full of shit you people are.

@@vicb7259 how does his voice affect the evidence and logic and reasoning.

Vic B I watched the Licona/Dillahunty debate. Licona was embarrassingly poor. At one point he suggested that it was reasonable for people to initially attribute magic tricks to the supernatural if they weren't in full awareness of the facts. That kind of credulity for the supernatural is a big problem.

@@HugoPranavan What is a "theologian"?

Tariq Khan Maybe Jesus was just a fictional character like Moses and Abraham.😉

@@ramigilneas9274 no btw bart erhman had a debate about that,if jesus was a true chracter, it was the only debate christians wished him to won lol

To be fair, common sense is never by itself good enough for anything else than common stuff, and even then it’s pretty mediocre. However, basic epistemology does allow us to reject it fairly easily.

What if Jesus was resuscitated 😂

SIMPLE. As Erhman said, not a single error, scribal or otherwise, affects the essential teachings of Christianity.

History is trying to get a accurate picture, theology, is to cater to what you feel, or what you want regardless of what evidence shows

@@SugoiEnglish1 Ehrman is just throwing idiots a sop. Why do you think HE left Christianity himself, after discovering for himself that the Bible is historically inaccurate? (Well, to be fair, he's also mentioned that what really made him lose his faith, after his historical studies weakened it, was pondering the problem of suffering or "evil," which Christianity does NOT adequately solve, and in fact only makes more outrageous with its theology.)

@TO NO Actually we don't and we don't need to be told not to kill either. We're hard wired to be kind and not kill each other. Yes, there are exceptions and there are people born with 3 hands and our emergent social behaviour is much more complex than the simple rules that apply to a wasp. Wasps don't fall in love or borrow money and have no political or strategical agenda to occupy a piece of land. If you need to be told to be kind and not kill you need a hell of a lot more than being commanded to by an invisible friend.

Johan Ericsson okay why does Bruce metzger say his faith is increased? Surely the top manuscript Scholar from the 20th century would know what’s going on

not pegasus but other being no one knows

@Παναγιώτης ΜΧΣ where is that miracle recorded?

@Παναγιώτης ΜΧΣ How so? (What apples and what oranges?)

He’s using eyewitness testimonies to draw the most probable conclusion?? Also the truth of Islam rests on the single person of Mohammed whereas the gospel writers and apostles has every reason not to immortalize such an unheard of and dangerous truth

Is the night journey of prophet Muhammad a fundamental doctrine of the Islamic belief? No. Do Muslims need to *’historically’* prove it? No. Very unlike (one of) the 2 main doctrines of Christianity. Theists believe in the supernatural to prove it, no one needs to claim they have “hysterical” evidence for it.

A degree from Liberty U. is like Richard Dawkins giving you a gold star on your essay you wrote about The Origins of Species. Except one involves facts, not magic.

ryan neitzel Didn't Kent Hovind receive his "PHD" from Liberty? Got to have something to hang on your wall, despite the claim that this "diploma mill" is a well known fraud with no accreditation what so ever.

Rob Degrey Nope. The Parole got his Masters and his PhD from Patriot University, an unaccredited correspondence university run out of someone's house in Colorado. His PhD dissertation reads like an address to a group of High School students. "Hello. My name is Ken Hovind - - - -- -"

Rob Degrey Hovind wishes he got his PhD from Liberty. Liberty is a joke compared to most schools, but it is technically an accredited university. Hovind got his supposed PhD from an unaccredited correspondence school that makes Liberty look like MIT.

+Bernise Anders - you don't know how to get a degree from Liberty? Roll, tear, and then wipe.

utubepunk my sentiments exactly. Did you notice his cop out at the end on the last question? I'd like to see these two debate biblical inaccuracies.

+Jefferson Montoya Michael Licona is also a doctor. You have no idea.

Not all doctors are equal. #PlentyOfIdeas

Jefferson Montoya Regardless, it is very disrespectful of you to refer to Ehrman as "Dr." and not do Licona the same courtesy. It shows your resentment of anybody against your Christ-denial.

***** No, silly boy, it does not. I referred to him respectfully as "Mr. Licona". One does not always have to refer to every doctor as Dr. Mr. is just fine. If it's fine for a President (and it is) it is fine for a doctor who got owned in a debate. Thanks for playing.

+M. Aaron Licona's a doctor; therefore Jesus rose from the dead.

Damn, nice one. Very perceptive.

***** awww... did you get offended, little boy?

Chloe Seconds I'm not offended. I'm just a little taken aback by the stupidity of the clear anti-Christians/Christ-haters.

Can you explain how can someone hate that in which he or she does not believe exists? Do you hate Vampires or leprechauns? No, little boy, we don't hate Christ because he doesn't exist. If he did exist, he was just a cool hippie from 2000 years ago and I don't think anyone today would waste their energy on hating some guy from year 0. What we hate is dumb ideas and people's gullibility that allows them to be affected by those dumb ideas.

Chloe Seconds (Comment got longer than I planned. But please read. Thanks.) Wait, why do you say Christ doesn't exist? Do you go so far as denying Jesus' historical existence? Even Bart Ehrman would never go so far, and he's an extreme skeptic. (He probably actually scorns such "historians".) No sober historians deny Jesus' historical existence. I will tell you why I can say you hate Jesus Christ. It is revealed in your entire attitude. You treat the subject of Christianity as one big fat joke, when it is thanks to this religion that you enjoy many of the benefits you possess today. Take education for example. Christians were the ones that started universities and libraries hundreds of years ago. They were also the ones that showed great interest in the natural sciences, since they understood that God designed things intelligently. Did you know that until the mid 19th century doctors and nurses in hospitals only rarely washed their hands, even going from dissecting a corpse to delivering children, resulting in many, many deaths? Ignaz Semmelweis, an Austrian-Hungarian physician enforced in his own hospital that a rule that staff should wash their hands in a chlorinated solution of lime before each examination. He knew thousands of women were needlessly dying every year and nobody would listen to him. But you know it caught on because today we take these things for granted. (I've heard people say he got this idea of washing hands from the Bible where it says to wash one's hands under _running_ water as opposed to stale water. Though I not verify this but would not be surprised if it was the case.) And Jesus was not some cool hippie from 2000 years ago. He was one of three possibilities: A liar, a lunatic, or Lord. Please think about these things. Why won't you just humble yourself? Can't you see that you hate the idea of having to answer to a holy just God? He is angry with the wicked every day, the Bible says. But he loves us because he wants us to return... And he will forgive, if we repent and believe in Jesus as personal Lord and Savior.

***** oh man, you're being nice, decent and want to have a civil discussion now. I liked it more when we were jabbing each other with a little name-calling. But ok, I guess I'll be nice too :) Ok, I'm not saying that Jesus didn't exist. I will say that the Jesus character described in the bible didn't exist because I don't believe that a virgin girl was, without her concent, impregnated supernaturally, that the son she gave birth to rose people from the dead, walked on water, healed the sick, turned water into wine, and rose from the dead himself. And no, I really don't hate anyone, let alone a made-up version of Jesus. With regard to the benefits I enjoy in my lifetime such as education or science advanced to where it is today, I don't give religion the credit you do. I'll give Christian people all the credit they deserve for their contribution to our social and scientific advancement. And perhaps some of the ideas in the bible helped or motivated those same Christians to establish and achieve certain advancements. But that does not mean that the religious teaching is true. I enjoy algebra and trigonometry invented by muslims, but I don't think Islam is true. I love democracy as I'm sure you do, too, but I don't think you believe in Zeus or any other Greek god. Bottom line is, the contribution to the society should be evaluated and judged on its own merits. Implying that those merits mean something more or that they are a proof of the supernatural is wrong. Simultaneously, horrible crimes against humanity have been and continue to be committed in the name of religion. I could argue that blows causing major setbacks to human progress have also been dealt by Christianity and Islam, but that's a long discussion. I've heard Christians claim that Jesus was either a lier, a lunatic, or a lord. How about he was neither of those. How about the possibility of others making things up about who jesus was, what he did, and what he said as they made copies of the old manuscripts by hand and translated them into multiple languages over thousands of years? Now what's more probable: the fact that Jesus was a lord or that humans made a mistake or lied? I see people make mistakes and lie every day. I've never seen a lord and neither did you. Therefore, I see no reason to humble myself before an idea made up by uneducated men thousands of years ago. What humbles me is the beauty of nature, the vastness of the cosmos, and life in all forms. And I don't want to waste one second believing silly things while I can enjoy this wonderful life, the one I know I have. Nice chatting with you, Aaron.

One would need more than an invisible man in the sky for prayer to work lol

+lljksilk Prayer has shown to be not effective for anything... Sorry...

@@eiddolon What specific theological claims of Islam?

The contradictions was not what got me out of the faith, but it was certainly a big part of it. I remember when I found my own because someone's kid was named after a King in Kings and Chronicles. I said "oh man, I love that dude, he was a cool king that did some good, then didn't do enough, but later did a lot of good and was good in the eyes of the lord. My pastor was there and said "no, Asa did evil in the eyes of the lord" and I was like "woah, are you sure? I'm certain he did good." Guess what? It depends which book you read *head smack*. I was like "huh, why is that different, this upsets me". But when you're that indoctrinated, you find any reason you can other than 'it's not reliable'.

+LasergunExtreme I think they remain skeptical of mythicist hypothesis for good reason. However, that Jesus existed a priori, should not be the null position. I think the majority of modern scholars, who are rightly secular, still don't apply enough pressure on their historical assumptions. I think Carrier appears to be radical not because his arguments have been seriously challenged (even Ehrman had a difficult time providing concrete evidence in his book 'Did Jesus Exist), but because the consensus of scholarship has yet to shift to a more skeptical position of the historicity of Jesus; NOT to mysticism. I do agree with you, if I can interpret what you said correctly, that Carrier's big mistake is making concrete claims of knowledge for something he cannot prove. This all being said, I think the problem lies with each side. Skepticism should be the first stop in investigating any claim.

If Carrier, a peer reviewed historian, is an idiot what does that make you?

And what would he debate with Carrier,may I ask?

Carriers claims are poor he says there are no contemporary evidence for Jesus then we have to put Alexander history in doubt

@@varunkurup300 Alexander the Great? If there was no archeological evidence that confirmed the contemporary historical record then we would. There is no archeological evidence for anything Jesus is said to have done and no contemporary historian seemed to have noticed Jesus and then you have the gospels that can't even have happened in the same time, specifically the vastly different stories of his birth, one happened during the reign of a Syrian governor and in another Jesus was born after the death of the same governor. Different last words, different people seeing the tomb empty, angels giving different messages to different people and in some stories no message was given. There was no census telling people to look for the city of their ancestors. Prisoners sentenced to death were buried in mass graves, etc. etc. In none of the stories people likely saw Jesus after his death. There was exactly one person who claimed to have seen Jesus in a vision while other people were with him. That's hearsay. It's claimed that a group of people saw Jesus alive. That's hearsay upon hearsay. How often in the history of humanity have we seen a dead person be resurrected and confirmed? Try it for yourself. Jump before a train and come back from the dead. You'd be the first. It's highly unlikely that any of the hearsay is anywhere near correct. So there's no evidence and it's highly unlikely. The claims about Alexander are consistent with reality, making it at least possible. Independent historians telling many of the same stories and being reliable about other facts make it believable that he actually existed and much of the stories is true. Archeological evidence confirming the historical records make it pretty certain that he existed and that the historical records aren't similar by coincidence but because they were based on a real person and actual facts. None of that can be said about Jesus. The writers of the gospels were anonymous and the gospels don't line up and the archeological evidence contradicts all of the gospels.

Laughing at someone who is unwell and has lost his voice. That is classic behavior of the kinds of immoral punks who populate threads like this.

Against a physically unwell opponent with a no voice? Congratulations! Why don't you watch their LATER debates where the same Licona knocks your hero out of the park?

@@vicb7259 having a bad voice doesn't excuse him from having a bad argument with no evidence to back up a miraculous claim

bonjour , vous croyez au 40 vierges pour les (Martyres ) mais pas en la résurrection de Jésus-christ ! quand a la vision de Mohamed de l'ange Gabriel j'en doute fort vu la vie et les barbaries commise par Mohamed tuant décapitant plus de 700 personnes durant la journée ! tuant une poétesse ET Son oncle âgées et consonant un mariage avec une enfant de 9 ans ! Jésus christ est mort et ressuscité pour les péchés du monde et c'est le seul des prophètes qui reviendra a la fin du monde vous ..nous juger ! comment accepter cela sans lui accordé la résurrection ? Les voies de Dieu sont impenetrable comment ne pas lui accordé ce Miracle fait en son nom pour Marquée l'humanité durant des siècles et des siècles :) votre plaisir de nier la Crucifiction et la résurrection ainsi que les Miracles De Christ est une hérésie une insulte faite a Dieu lui meme ! et surtout dite moi pourquoi ce fait la(resurrection ) serait un mensonge mais aussi dans quel but :) nier aussi tout les Miracle fait par Jésus-christ et sa vie remplie d'amour et de compassion pour les autres quel qui soit sa vie a été plus exemplaire et il est Née de la volonté de Dieu lui meme ! et oui encore un Miracle les voies de DIEU sont impénétrable comment voulez vous savoir ? Judas la compris un peu tard :)

+alain baggi Il n'existe aucunes preuves de l'existence même de Jésus, il n'y a aucun témoin de sa vie ou de sa résurrection. tout les écrits du Nouveau Testaments sont fait pas des auteurs qui n'ont jamais connu Jésus. Les évangiles ont été écrits au moins 40 a 60 ans après les faits. Les écrits de Paul (du moins ceux qui ne sont pas des contrefaçons) ne mentionne rien de la vie ou du ministère de Jésus. En fait Paul ne prend même pas en considération l'enseignement des apôtres et avec qui il est en conflit à chaque fois qu'il doit leur faire face. Les évangiles eux-même restent inconnus des premiers Chrétien et n'arrive que dans l'histoire avec Irénée de Lyon qui est le premier a en faire référence en l'an 180 apr. J-C. il n'existe aucune mention du nom de Jésus dans aucun document Juif, Grec ou Romain laïcs ni dans aucune correspondance privé durant tout le premier siècle de notre ère. La première fois que les Chrétiens sont mentionnés c'est dans une correspondance de Pline le Jeune à l'empereur Trajan en l'an 112 apr. J-C. à qui il demande conseil pour savoir quoi faire avec le groupe de chrétien qui grandit dans sa province. Et rien n'est dit a propos de Jésus. En fait il n'y a aucune preuves d'ailleurs qu'il y a eu une persécution des Chrétiens avant le début du 2e siècle

+alain baggi Doucement doucement, mon gars; donc vous reconnaissez que Jésus (psl) n'est qu'un prophètes comme beaucoup d'autres et son avantage est de revenir à la fin des temps. Exactement ce que disent les musulmans. L'Islam n'a jamais nié les miracles de Jésus (psl), au contraire, il a cité des miracles que votre bible n'a pas rapporté. Allez maintenant jouer à la pétanque, vieux.

sidahmed azed non la je rentre de la Mer du nord plus le moment de jouer a la pétanque ;) belle nuit ...scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11059963_1053127804731347_6767525432221030722_n.jpg?oh=5178d70fb354807630eb59cfedc5a355&oe=5692B7D8

Jesus raised Jesus. Jesus says in John 2:19: “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

None of them ever do

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Did a "great job" against a guy who was unwell and had lost his voice? That's what it takes for you people to do a great job? Congratulations.

@@vicb7259 He always does a good job

I need to make a compilation so when someone asks me why i dont believe theres a god...i can be... Here. Watch these. Ehrmans rant there would make that cut

40:00

roughly 15 years apart - but what's your point?

Your book is just as fictional as theirs

Kankun ...comparing Abrahamic ‘holy’ books is akin to comparing various piles of animal dung: sure, both have their differences in texture, color, odor, etc., but when you get right down to it, they’re all just shit.

nathan mckenzie faces bro that Quran bullshit is the same too, fake ass islam

decided to look it up- apparently some sort of illusion was created to make it look like he was crucified when he wasn't? That's awfully convenient and completely impossible to historically prove, especially since the quran was written centuries after his death- thus it is a completely unreliable source.

And study of theology is a fetish.

Sure. It is easy to "obliterate" someone when the person has lost his voice and cannot speak. The dishonesty of you people is really astonishing. Why don't you morons watch their later debates when Licona has his voice and see him crush Ehrman?

Were you people aware that Licona was not well in this debate and had lost his voice??? The way you people are ignoring that fact is astonishing.

Chris Broussard thx