Eight political parties willing to support a referendum ahead of the LGE Cape Independence 

It's so amazing that African doesn't know their History, who amongst the Blacks who were forcebly taken to Europe or America would ask for an independent state. The Whites were not forced to come to Africa and as much as Africans in the Europe or the US have realized that the only way out is to go back to their mother land, South Africans of European descent should go back and establish them back home.

Lol got it he America and France you forced my ancestors here , and I know we’ve been demanding reparations for ever but not only are we demanding that but we demand our own country 😂😂😂

@@lonnsoworld8976 well the playing field is open to the best person for the job if you up to building a society...its been done before...so get to it...i await your imminence !

YES: you are right and furthermore the Cape of good hope has a right to reestablish it's independence stolen from them by the English in 1910!

As Phil said , it will need the support of all races. Can all races be racist while supporting the same issue ?

Tell any racists that they are racists and see if they agree with you that they are racists

@@SS-xt4kh That makes no sense, if you tell any person they're a racist and they arnt, would they agree with you that they are?

@@SS-xt4kh are you a thief? if I say you are, and you deny it, does that mean yes, you are a thief?

He can't , the word racist has lost all its meaning its used and abused by people that can't make a rational observation or state factual truths.

Divide and conquer was their Apartheid policy. Now they have found a loophole in democracy. Let me grab my popcorn 🍿lol

Exactly that's why it's so racist because look at the current state of black and colored people in CPT

What about ANC? Cos ANC is creating a sh..... hole

Yes he already lost the debate and this is now just an desperate attempt to try achieve who knows what. It makes no sense at all. If I was the Dr I would have been embarrassed saying that. What a joke

It's a case of saying something false enough times to hope people get brainwashed into believing it. The 'professor', us actually just a fake news factory.

@Dorrien If the WC goverment has to rule With referendums. Than they are useless. Instead of wasting time on referendums they should attend to the plight of the poor people in the WC.

Funny. You will be destroyed in minutes.

@Chapo Escobar Are you drunk? You make no sense.

@Chapo Escobar Funny. A black man in South Africa with a Mexican name. Are you from Latin America?

@@rdm3373 What did you drink? Are you drunk?

@@rdm3373 Are you a Zulu?

You are right...but since chatting to Des Palm of CapeXit....you hear of the deals and arrangements that favour the politicians being where they are....forever using taxpayers money...with gay abandone....

Now apply that to the other comments made here and elsewhere..

No it would be a terrinle idea for everyone. The DA is not the ruling party.

No thanks. Perhaps we should be allowed to use our democratic rights?

@@desocrate use them all you want. But SA belongs to all SAns and those who want out are more than welcome to move out🤷‍♀️

@@bukib4407 We will use them and build up the Cape to show SA how it's done, hopefully SA will learn and benefit.

@@desocrate Like I said cape belongs to SA, those who want out, no one is holding them back

@@bukib4407 the Cape belongs to the people citizens of the Cape. Agreed, no one is holding us back, thanks for supporting Cape Independence.

and before that, the Cape was the most liberal state in Southern Africa - ever heard of Simon van der Stel?

@@desocrate no I've never heard about her till now. It says on the net that the apartheid gov didn't acknowledge that she was of mixed race origin.

@Chapo Escobar jy praat die waarheid die land behoort aan ons coulored mense..hulle moet uit die land uit gaan en terug na die Congo to gaan

@@slimebeingslimey8266 coloureds lol 😂, no the country belongs to khoenas and Bantus(Africans)

U r delusional ​

That helps me make a decision

Unless they give the people who pay the taxes,,,the opportunity to prevent the ANC ever having a role to play in our future.....?????

You need to grow up and understand ..the ANC .. cannot change the fact that ...80 percentage of south Africa wealth is in the hands of whites ...in ..39 years they have ..did everything in their power to try and remove power from the minority ...and ..they are greedy enough to try and convince people they want their own country.... because they know they will own everything ...look at the difference between whites coloureds indians in cape town high Inequality...

I have said this before and people seem to down play this fear.

Exactly! But coloureds lack a backbone unfortunately.

😆 Imagine.

@Lonnso world Agree with you. This is how ridiculous this idea is.

or Imagine the Catalans saying to Spain, hey we want our independence lol

Unless we give the people who pay the taxes,,,the opportunity to prevent the ANC ever having a role to play in our future.....????? Of course we want independence......!!!

Imagine London saying we want to succeed England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 because we contribute more of taxes for the whole country. Lol 😂

Extremely soft, what nonsense is this?

That will be a problem.

Lenna will leave Free State with its thugs like bo Magashule and join a new State iam tired of the mess in this country and iam not white

@Fadiel You surely have no mandate to speak for coloured people in the WC. Your party only won 8 seats in the recent election. What can you offer our people in a independent Cape.

@Chapo Escobar Stop positioning yourself as coloured, yet you're black. There's no such thing as coloured. Pick a side.

@Chapo Escobar My friend, i am from congo and i brown in color. Although i live in Kenya, where there's no racial distinction among Africans, all Africans were affected by migration. In this day and age, fight the white man, thats the big problem in SA. Bantus should be your allies right now, so you must consider yourself a black person. Outside Africa we are black, it doesn't matter how darker or lighter you're. Fight to be black, don't fight to be coloured. Saying you're coloured is just putting a target on your back.

Africa has never been united.

@@rockrabbit253 it is time we do black and white, moslim and christan and north and south. It is our continent. We have nowhere else to go but the african continent. #southafrica #Africa

@@antoniopantophlet8216 diversity is a failure.

@@antoniopantophlet8216 nederlands....there are more whites there....

@@jutsu1 should have told tht to jan van riebek...should have stayed in the nederlands where there are plenty of whites...

TRY ENGLAND

Go back to Holland.

You need a reeducation camp.

@Chapo Escobar i just met you in the previous comment section naaier

@Chapo Escobar 🤣🤣 Congo boy iam in the south side.gtfoh

Need a passport to get into lesotho and namibia, so why not in a independent cape.

@@rioscordoba606 why not go back to Holland? You won't go back cause even Holland has Learned to live with black people peacefully.

@@sandilemfeka4658 my grandparents have been here since before Bartolomew diaz rounded cape town, while nguni migrants were selling there "brothers" to to slavers in Nigeria!!! So I'm going nowhere😉

@@rioscordoba606 I'm sure you think you have really hit hard, Nguni people have always been here like the Sotho, Pedi, Venda, Tswana, Khoi, San. This story of you white Poeple claiming this place was only for Khois and Sans is just trying to devide us and confuse us, it's exactly like the story of a white person saying he discovered Africa that's very foolish. Only stupid people would buy that story.

@@rioscordoba606 Nigeria is in Africa and Nigerians are Africans, they have a right to be here more than you.

😂😂I see white people.

I think even if was whites only you still wouldn't see race...😂😂

we know whites people using some few colourds

I see white people from Europe

@Mr. Pepe Herpestesyou can go and do your self determination were you come from "europe".

It actually makes sense.

you really need to review the demographics of the Cape and then who supports Cape Independence. You might be in for a surprise.

Europeans should have less of a say in Africa than Africans.😇

@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 you really need to review the demographics of the Cape and then who supports Cape Independence. You might be in for a surprise.

@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 , not what I meant, we are Africans (Afrikaners), and South Africans. But problems can't lead to dividing South Africa. If ANC is a problem, it's gradually losing electoral support.

@@brmaila6 the minerals and energy complex causing the ANC to lose support after having used it for so many years to delay change.

The British are in on it.

He personally doesn't support Cape Independence, but, he does support the right of WC citizens to decide for themselves.

@Deformiter He is the leader of the majority party in the Western Cape. So what does his parties manifesto say. A ruling party does not call for a referendum if it is not in their interest. They might have to comply with something that might hurt them Politically.

People who cry that they are the victims are the very same people that are guilty of the things that they accuse others of. No matter what you say, everyone can see you for who you really are. As far as we see, the ANC picked up the torch of apartheid instead of reforming the country. Do you remember how people had to walk around with passes because they were not white? And now the president wants people to get a vaccine to have a travel pass. The ANC can't even treat their elders with respect. This is not what we signed up for. How long do you think they will last? Forever? The western cape should rule over the whole country if they know what is good for them. Accountability is not racist, its what you need to learn, its what you should know as an adult.

Now your ignorance is showing. Perhaps you should look at the constitution first. Wp is entitled to ask for a referendum under the current constitution plain and simple. The rest of the country don't have any say in that.

@Coach Go overseas without a vaccine travel passport and see how quickly You are deported back to South Africa.

@@maryduplessis2510 Is that true? If it is, then ANC negotiated for the worst constitution i have ever seen.

Thank you proffessor... ohhh maybe you not

@@jamludentertainment common sense always beats paper and titles

@Andrew Just because he is not white

@@errolbasson1836 you must be racist

@Andrew I think you're talking about yourself.

Racist mindset is what most white people are ...bring back the land your father's stole ....we coming to claim it ....back ....

@Chapo Escobar don't involve yourself in African matters. Go the same way you came. Stuff you in container ships like sardines in a can.

@Chapo Escobar Chapo Escobar am not Bantu thy are our brothers. You boers met Khoi imnthe peninsula and thought they are the only once in southern Africa. You had no scale of landscape and you settle in the cape till you made further explorations. We are not appealing to you, in any form of way. At all, we are not anc. You have yet to realise your imperial masters won't intervene. They are preoccupied with figuring out a defence system for the Nuclear Capable Supersonic missle that Communist China created. Your master's haven't told you China overtook them in 50 years. From peasants to new world order in 50 years. We want to unit africa while boertjies are still reliant on colonial tactics like independent cape (segregation) on who's land. The sooner we realise you people arw working against us and accept whatever sanctions (china peasants 50 years back) the better. Mandela was a sellout betrayed alot of what African national Congress stood for freedom charter and unification of africa. Ma se poes

@Chapo Escobar Nguni people are a group of closely related Bantu-speaking ethnic groups that reside in Southern Africa. Related ethnic group sotho-tswana people, Tsonga people, Venda people and Khoi-san people. what would be some of the ancestors of the Nguni people migrated from west of the geographic Centre of Africa towards modern-day South Africa 7000 years ago (5000 BC)] Nguni ancestors had migrated within South Africa to KwaZulu-Natal by the 1st century AD, and were also present in the Transvaal region at the same time

@Chapo Escobar en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguni_people

@Chapo Escobar kan jy nie liester. Am not Bantu am Nguni. My name is Tshiamisho.

oh democratic right!!! who gave them that right - the ANC never ever forget that

Independence in Europe and Malysia yes. Not in Africa.

@@bonginkosinzimande1256 you really need to review the demographics of the Cape and then who supports Cape Independence. You might be in for a surprise.

@@desocrate it's still Africa though, demographics aside

@@blacklyte6444 Cradle of Mankind.

I think it should not be independent because it is angry (if not raged) about the way ZA is progressing. Competitive Cape can put pressure on any party willing to run the country. But separating ZA into chunks is only leading to the challenges EU is faced with (if not worse). Besides our history and theirs is totally different. Orania is also another issue. And Afrikaans is the language of interest over English which is already in use. What about other local languages. What about Khoi-San. But segregation is not a solution. Let us try another route: not segregation please.

@@pie.lot.bliksem it's not segregation on racial lines ..but wisdom to be excluded from corruption ..the cape people are if not the most cosmopolitan of the provinces...the rage is on the other side of the fence of common sense...

@@grantbarnado7695 It is not a racial issue but it is biased. It embraces the Afrikaans speaking community. And it promotes Afrikaans language. At it prefers Afrikaans culture. We are a Multicultural Southern Africa. We have many wonderful languages including Afrikaans and English. We must take pride in ourselves. We conquered Apartheid. We must now defeat corruption. But not with segregation and language that benefit only a certain community. Corruption is an enemy to all governance. And ZA belongs to us all. Let us reconsider. Let us find an alternative. Let us not fight corruption in Afrikaans and using Afrikaans speaking communities only. Incoroperate all other parties. They are willing to contribute towards Multicultural ZA. Not Afrikaans ZA. Together We Stand. But Divided We Fall.

@@pie.lot.bliksem true it's broken and has become the thing it hated...dysfunctional on every level...

@@grantbarnado7695 The Tower of Pisa is still leaning. But yet still standing. So will Multicultural ZA. Just be patient. And think again. And again. And Again. Untill we hear from our true only Almighty God. But Together We Stand. And Divided We Fall.

no he doesn't think so he knows so. tell me when you say "everyone's dignity would be equal and intact" why is not happening now in western cape areas like cape flat,Langa,nyanza, gugulethu,,khayelisha etc. I'm from gugulethu by the way.

No need to amend the constitution, section 235 allows for the right of self-determination - SA is also signatory to numerous international documents which provide basic rights, including self-determination.

Almost as ridiculous as the America Electoral college... You have the right to secede, if you can get enough votes. Too bad we have all the votes....

@Deformiter The UN have too many humanitarian issues to handle in the world. Don't Think they have time for your nonsense.

Bullshit Racist mindset ......deviding Africa it's what white people always have been doing ...why ..live here if ..you have a problem with how things African people run things imeans ..there are more the 50 white countries you can go to

Xenophobia laughs in the corner

@@cameronpillay8050 xenophobia is everywhere even in Europe

@theonly6359 blacks south africans are thr most racist ppl in the country.

No it is what's the racist minority want ...and they are greedy as fuck ...we are blacks living in Cape town ...you can't blame ANC for development while most of the cape is run by DA and it took more than 300 years for racist to obtain ....power why do you expect ANC to solve inequality in 30 years ....blacks are struggling just because few ANC members steal ...now you gonna have to trick us ...into .. stealing the land .....you must bring back the land you stole from us.....

@@StrangeforceSA Since 1994 this has been voted by the people of the Western Cape to be Non-ANC....We don't want the ANC...WE (coloured,black,indian,white,asian voters.....citizen who pay taxes ) want the type of democracy that suits US....the best run province in South Africa....YOU can do, and go to wherever you want....we wont stop you going to a ANC run province....hanbe gahle !

@@peterkemp4235 we'll be ready for war ...you not going to win

@@StrangeforceSA you are hiding behind a symbol, just like a politician would, come out as a individual....then talk....

Have you noticed that only white people with racist intentions agree with this

I pity you.

lol, it's the Cape citizens who paid for all the infrastructure, it's theirs to keep.

@Themba You will be shocked to hear that the Western Cape is just the beginning. They have their eyes On Afrikaans speaking regions in the Eastern Cape and the whole of the Northern Cape. You can google the manifesto of the Cape Independence Party.

Impatient ? racist is more like it

Waiting 27 years for a rainbow nation to materialise is not impatient it is called "a virtue or long suffering" True racist don't want other people to differ from their views, immaterial of how warped, delusional or corrupt their views are. Free South Africa from corruption and incompetence.

How long did President Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela remain in prison for our enjoyment today?

@@pie.lot.bliksem He waited 27 years in the hope for a dream to come true, the reality of the matter is that the ANC government has turned that dream into a living nightmare. The country is more devided now than during apartheid.

@@clintonwieneke8934 And the dream came true. We need to look back at what happened then to learn and improve our lives today towards the future.

@Willem Just because he does not agree with you.

@Johan Just because he is not white.

@@errolbasson1836 how is race applicable to WP independence? Do you even understand what racism is? Fool please stay on topic 🖕🔥🖕

@Johan You comment has nothing to do with Cape independence. You were attacking the integrity ofone of penalist. He worked for his degrees. Why should it be taken away.,because he does not agree with you. You just demonstrated why People of colour should not vote for Cape independence.

@Johan For you your information I have a social phsycology degree majoring In racism. I wonder if you know what a degree is fool.

@@errolbasson1836 if someone like me with no schooling/education can see that racism got nothing to do with WP independence.. In short ask your money back where ever you bought your degree from. How does racism or race got anything to do with WP independence??

You calling for war ....it is just ..easy to drive whites people out of SA ....if you want us to be like Zimbabwe and chase out white people we will do that because you are really starting to annoy us

Like you came from all over to support Apartheid. We are ready.

If the ANC is as bad it is fight it through the ballot box.. to many of us it looks like they want a country where they are the ANC and behave like the ANC. So yhea it racists

@@MrMalimaali No need to vote, Anc is part of the New World Order & Great Reset Something 100× worse than slavery Notice Ramaphosa has started using the words ; End poverty by 2030 & No no one left behind - If you know what that means you'll be in tears by now. S.Africa is gone for ever, forget

@@bngmln5326 well i am not delusion al about the conduct of the AN C i know tbis country was packaged and brabded and sold a long time ago but how we fight for its soul is very important if we cant unite and be the poeple that god intended us to be it wont matter which part of this country gets its indipendence it wont work. Not becouse poeple won't support it but the external forces are deeply rooted in the SA alite.

@@MrMalimaali Considering that Westen cape doesn't have enough population to change the federal government, then the only way to kick the ANC out would be to convince the rest of South Africa, but the rest of South Africa wants to keep being controlled by the ANC, so the only way out is to exit the union, hence why the Western Cape meets the requirements of international law to demand a referendum

@@christophercano4809 its the Poeples choice to vote for the ANC you making it sounds like the QNC made its self a government. It was voted by the majority of the poeple of this country. That is the beuty of democracy you dont have to like but its what we all wanted, majority rule!!..the only problem is that the majority rule no longer benefit the ruling manority benefited at the expense of the majority

Don't you believe in democracy or do you prefer to be ruled by autocratic dictators ?

What took the sealanders a century to build up, which you readily enjoy the benefits of, took the ANC only 27 years to loot and destroy. Who is the real racist, apartheid or a government who steals from the very people they claim to advocate for. The reason independence is being discussed is clearly because the ANC government has caused division in our country.

@@rockrabbit253 democracy is what's been playing out, the ANC crooks have been winning elections...now this group, wants to split from SA because they can't win elections?..I think they are the ones who don't believe in democracy

@@clintonwieneke8934 first of all, don't credit the sealanders who sat on beaches in Stellies without crediting the over worked slaves that did all the work. I enjoy none of that legacy, I live in the rurals. This mindset of "benefits from the past" yo you can't call a society built on human rights abuses as something that left fruits for the kids to eat. Those fruits have worms and mould on them. The ANC, sold out the people in whatever happened during Codesa, so you can't paint the ANC evil while we have always know that it's evil. Hell, they are the last standing masters of political killings an apartheid era sport...

@@Psciyentist As Phil pointed out , the WC has never supported the ANC , so why should they be governed by it ? Democracy is the will of the people. If it is the will of the people of the WC to govern themselves , then democracy should allow them to do so. There is a similar movement in KZN

I dont think this is how democracy works. Democracy isn't meant to encourage a secession movement.

@@neilnelson7603 Democracy only works when you let people decide what is best for themselves. You might not like their choice, and it might not be the right choice, but it's still their choice.

you really need to review the demographics of the Cape and then who supports Cape Independence. You might be in for a surprise.

@Chapo Escobar , you are a South African, every piece of South Africa is yours.

@@brmaila6 only in the province you vote for , do you have any say or control.....you know that....you do not own the rest of the country....

@@peterkemp4235 , I own everything about South Africa. Do you have a with that?