We can all be doomed together in the upcoming DLC too MUSIC USED IN ORDER 00:00 Elden Ring - Roundtable Hold 00:43 Bloodborne - Moonlit Melody 10:20 Elden Ring - Leyndell, Royal Capital 12:11 Elden Ring - Eternal City 19:34 R4: Ridge Racer Type 4 - Silhouette Dance
In Ranni's Ending, at least in English translation. I believe she is taking either the collective rather than that of the individual. 1.Collective Will a. groups ability to impose upon the individual. b. ability to "collect" or come together under an unified idea, belief, or goal 2. Individual Will a. ability to command forward progress to the conclusion of an idea, belief, or goal
@@geordiejones5618 yeah but then the eldritch beings beyond comprehension still exist. Ignorance is bliss except when you could be violated by mr tentacles from every orifice
For Ranni's ending, the English dialogue was mistranslated from the original Japanese. She basically removed all outer god interference from the Lands Between.
Godwyn is still there though. The deathroot curse is a problem that is not solved by Ranni's ending. Her ending also assumes that you *trust* Ranni and her plan. Which is kind of stupid. It's worthy of Patrick Star. "Let's just push it somewhere else!'
@@BAEHELPJAYDO The Elden Ring taken far from the world, it prevents anyone from messing with the laws of reality anymore. Which is potentially very good! Ranni's plan prevents the Greater Will from meddling ever again. The Outer Gods influence has lasting effects, however. Even if cut off from them, many of them still have a physical presence in the Lands Between. The Rot most notable among them. That stuff isn't just gonna vanish. Godwyn, meanwhile is not an Outer God. At least not as we know them. Outer Gods exist in other dimensions/somewhere out in deep space. He died in soul but not in body. He's still very present in the Lands Between in a way Outer Gods are not and I don't think he's going anywhere. His entire existence sets up a sequel for Elden Ring, really. To be fair, no ending addresses Godwyn except for Fia's, which doesn't so much solve the problem as try to turn the problem into a solution.
@@matthewcriner1740 true, but Considering that the Greater Will seems to work differently from the other Gods, and that its iconic material (Unalloyed/Pure Gold) Is Anathema to them, odds are pretty good that the GW can Just tell them to f off once It Is given back full controll of the Ring. ..assuming It still gives even a single crap about the Lands Between and Hasn't left to plant a new Erdtree and start giving out free grace to mortals on Mars, at least. Wich, admittedly, Is a pretty big assumption to make.
Ngl the second the fingers went silent and the finger reader crone decided to let us know it could be thousands of years till we get an answer I realised how fucked the lands between were. Its like from that moment it drops us and starts searching for a new lord, head canon but I like the idea that when it went silent it actually contacted Godfrey and was showing him the grace required to get him back to the foot of the errdtree
Loved the detail too in Godfrey's cutscene the guidance points towards your character and Godfrey at the same time. Showing that you're each other's next / final objective
@@locoludwin3228 Morgott died likely quite some time before Godfrey is in the lands between, and runes come off of bodies immediately, which we personally get his when we defeat him. But it could just be a gameplay-cutscene dissonance idk :) I actually thought it was the last remnants of Morgott’s own grace weakly pointing at us for Godfrey’s sake.
From the bits and pieces of lore about Miquella, he had a hand in almost everything and trying to find a way to solve it. Rot and Frenzied Flame could be stopped with his needles, Godwyn could be brought back to life with an Eclipse. It's really ironic, the character that could solve the worst problems, is beyond fucked and incapable of helping anymore.
I have to wonder if the fire we use to burn the Erdtree reaches deep enough to burn the Prince of Death away--or if we might need to use some kind of second cleansing flame, maybe infused with the Rune of Destined Death, to truly purge him from The Lands Between? Although it might be too naive to assume that a full purge is even possible at this stage.
It's hinted that the Erdtree is itself grafted on to the root system underneath it. This is related to the crucible and the previous "Great Tree" which fed on it. The cleansing fire clears the tree and allows the root to re sprout
You reforge the ring with the rune of death. The death root only exists because its part of the rune of death spreading. So returning it and burning the tree should realistically cleanse it
@@TonkarzOfSolSystem thats clearly not the Erdtree as the lands around are nothing like the past Lands Between or the future unless the mountains all just someone got flattened. It looks like a spirit realm, Shadow of the Erdtree seems to mean some kind of copy of it in the spirit realm a reverse of it so to speak
I've always looked at the Souls games as being in Purgatory. We seem to be trapped in worlds that aren't quite right. Something feels off. It seems these worlds are a place of constant turmoil that we must repeatedly throw ourselves at to enlighten ourselves. Above and below are unreachable, almost as if we're on a stage. Nothing seems fully tangible, things just seem to be, like being in a dream, when you become aware you're dreaming the whole thing falls apart. We don't have need to eat or sleep. Our enemies are endless. All we have is seemingly endless time to figure out what's going on. I like that in Elden Ring the area is referred to "The Lands Between", as if to say between the world of the living and the plane of the gods. Though it is implied that we are just in one area of a world, I have never actually felt that anything exists outside of the play areas on the same plane. The Souls series even makes it clear that you could actually be in the same place in every game, just at vastly different eras, long after the previous game's world has crumbled and been rebuilt in a new age by new civilizations. I found an area in the Siofra River that looks a lot like the bridge area in DS1 where you have to jump under to find the merchant, near the hub. After playing these games, you start seeing truth that maybe we are in the same place, and it the remains of the previous civilizations are like fossils buried beneath your feet.
You have it wrong. You get that impression, because the player's adventure always starts at the end of a glorious time.There might have been thousands of years of nothing really terrible happening until the shattering and we arriving who knows how much time after the war.
Iirc for Dark Souls it pretty much is a purgatory/hell due to Gwyn trying to extend the age of fire past when it was supposed to end. The age was supposed to pass and lead to the age of dark with humanity but the gods wanted to retain their power and everything goes to crap and warps in a lot of ways because of it.
Wouldn't a god/lord with a complete Elden Ring containing the Rune of Destined Death be capable of putting an end to Godwyn? And Malenia and Rykard too? Destined Death kills body and soul, even for gods. I think sealing away the Rune is what led to a lot of this chaos in the first place
Yep. In theory, the rune of perfected order could solve all the conflicts involving both those forces too, as it would prevent either of them from gaining the power required to completely overtake the lands between. (I don't even really think that's the goal of Malenia or Godwyn though, both of them seem to be suffering because of Marika's influence. Godwyn is treated like a horrible misbegotten curse, rather than being welcomed as a new god, the first of the dead. And Malenia just wants to live through the cycle of rot and rebirth. I doubt the goddess of rot really desires anything other than to see the world experience that cycle of death and rebirth, which... I mean, isn't that what Marika directly stopped, by removing the rune of death from the Elden Ring?
Yes too all of these questions. Thats why i wish we had a destined death ending. Maybe we could possibly get a new ending with the dlc? Maybe even a further explanation to what happens after each ending if we dont expect any sequel or expansion on the story itself? Some of them are too vague and we cant really tell whats it like in the lands afterwards. For example, im a huge fan of the age of duskborn but i cant really see whats in for the lands in that one. Massive corruption from deathroot possibly 😂
Gloam Eyed Queen is a fascinating concept too. It feels like she was a power rival in equality to Marika. Maybe the Greater Will had like a ‘contest’ between Empyrean and powerful beings to see who would rule with it. Seems like Marika won and then she set the rules which was no destined death whilst gloam eyed queen believed in destined death. Like the idea of the Shattering was a breaking of all reality and spirituality and Marika conquering was like her getting the blueprints to create the reality she wanted.
I have a theory that the Gloam-Eyed Queen and the Godskin movement is all related to the Fell God. For one, they use Black Flame, and the Fell God is associated with fire. Two, the Black Flame Monk armor very much resembles the Fire Giant's torso with a big ol' cyclops face on its front.
This is why I think Shadow of the Erdtree will deal with tying up loose ends. At least the two main ones. Those being Miquella and Godwyn. The Outer Gods I think if we don't take care of them in Shadow of the Erdtree, we'll take care of them in a future expansion. If we get another one.
Nah the story gives out for at least 2 more games, it kinda feels like God of War because after killing our first God the elden beast our new objective is to rid of all outer gods
@@locoludwin3228 I think the game gives infinite possibilities, it definitely seems to be built that way. A sequel can be an entirely refreshed lands between with a brand new Elden ring configuration and a transformed lands between with areas we traversed in the first game pushed underground like the eternal cities. Imagine Elden Ring 2 set at the end of the Age of Stars or Age of the Helphen. It would be awesome.
there is absolutely a connection with mohg and the formless mother and the blood star. Remember, all of the deities, including the elden beast, are from the stars it would seem. Its lovecraft stuff. Mohg discovered the blood star/formless mother through faith, the abhorent sorcerors through intelligence. Same god but perceived differently.
I dont think the blood star and formless mother are necessarily the same entity. The formless mother seems to deal with cursed blood and appears to mohg in the subterranean shunning grounds. The blood star is really only mentioned in the thorn sorcery descriptions where its described to appear to criminals who had their eyes gouged out. They seem similar but I think they're probably two different entities.
Blood Star might be an Astel, star-like lifeform that serves as vassal of the Formless Mother just as Elden Beast is vassal of Greater Will. We already have Astel, Stars of Darkness. And Astel, Natural-born of the Void. Why not red variant: Astel, the Blood-Star in DLC, using arcane bloodflame attacks?
I think a lot of entities are linked in elden ring, there are a lot of beings which come from the stars and have more or less the same abilities, while there are others like death birds, crucible of life, the ancestors spirits and now godwyn who seem to be from earth or some other plane of existence, i don't know
Every FromSoft game makes you believe that you're a hero in a world that can't be saved, when really, you're just the final manifestation of a great cataclysm.
Not necessarily that it can’t be saved, more that you would only be prolonging and worsening everyone’s suffering if you chose to maintain the status quo, and that you should instead judge the path to save the world for yourself not following the biases of those invested in keeping things as they were It’s the main message of Dark Souls & Sekiro (not sure about blood borne need to play it)
@@algorithmicabyss4150 bloodborne is pretty much the same. Two of the three endings are maintaining status quo (albeit with one major difference), while the last one breakthrough the status quo (but at a huge cost on our part). That's all I can say without being too spoilery (I hope)
The aeonia flower near Malenia’s arena is also one of Malenia’s blooms. It’s said that the scarlet rot within her will bloom three times and she will ascend to becoming a god. The first was in Radahn’s fight and the last in our fight which turned her into the goddess of rot, so the second bloom must’ve been the one in that side room.
I think it's most likely the blooming of one of Malenia's offshoots, that is to say, one of Millicent sisters. When Malenia bloomed for the first time, several aspects of her mind were separated from her, and ended up landing in the swamp of aeonia, where the fanatics of rot found and raised them. That is the origin of Millicent and her sisters I think the blooming in that room is a safeguard that the developers left there in case some other part of the game expansion needs to use one of the blooms sometime in the future. When playing the game we witness 3 blooms, one when fighting Malenia, one when finishing Millicent quest and the one you just "randomly" find in that room
I think the first time she bloomed was from radahn, the 2nd was her 2nd phase transformation, and her her 3rd is after she is defeated but we have yet to see her finish. I have a feeling if we do get a sequel, she is reborn from that last bloom as the new god
@@dennismadrid5146 Yes, it's exactly as you say, and that’s a good idea for the sequel. Gowry says something along the lines of an eternal cycle of rot and rebirth so maybe, getting rid of Malenia and her “daughters” is nigh impossible. The fanatics of rot wanted to bring a new order of rot to the lands between, but Malenia disowned them, she despised them. Malenia was searching for a cure for her condition along with Miquella. The fanatics of rot idealize scarlet rot, Malenia sees it as a disease... It is a bit confusing, but we saw all the way back in the trailer how Malenia broke her needle when fighting Radahn, so that she could bloom, and when you return (the corrupt, repaired by Gowry) needle to her, it becomes the true Miquella needle… Maybe the Malenia we fight is under the influence of the scarlet rot outer god, and she is not in full use of her mental faculties, because she lost them when she first bloomed (and those offshoots became her daughters). Maybe that is the reason she didn’t go to Mogh and kicked his ass for kidnapping her brother… ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WcyE9ba7xrE.html&ab_channel=HonoredMadman watch this video and pay attention to what Millicent says at the minute 15:30
Becoming Elden Lord gives you access to the Elden Ring, makes you Marika's consort and allows you to change whatever you want on the level of reality itself, just as Marika removed death from her world. You as a tarnished can only be a consort for an empyrean, but with Marika being just an empty husk, I guess you can "edit" the Elden Ring as you want to and effectively destroy any opposers who may challenge you or solve any problems already present in the lands between. You gain unrivaled power and sorcerer Sellen herself tells you that when you are Elden Lord, she will be your student, because all the secrets of life will be open for you. So yeah, I think we, the player, can use our imagination to decide what happens or does not happen after the ending, but there is nothing the new Elden Lord can't fix with the power of the Elden Ring
Interesting you mentioned sellen bc in my first run, i really expected there to be something like Ranni's ending but for sellen. And then when that quest ended i went with ranni bc it was the next best thing
I think it's very FromSoft for even lords and gods to be ultimately powerless against fundamental realities like the passage of time in Dark Souls or the cycle of growth and decay in Elden Ring.
@@___.51 If you can stop death and the stars you can stop time and rot they're all just facets of the universe which can be controlled because the being that govern them have no bodies in the physical realm while you do as elden lord.
_Here's How You Can Save The World_ 1. You make greater Will's presence stronger in Goldmask's age of order. which increases your power as the Elden Lord . 2. Seal destined death once more. But keep it in a blade for yourself: your new signature weapon. Master hewg is still smithing.. use him. 3. You put Nepheli in charge of limgrave who's oath bound to serve you. She has a castle. An army. People & resources. Take her help. She also has a crucible knight. Take direct command of some soldiers and rebrand them in new Leyndell knights. 4. Do not give ranni finger slayer blade. She's a threat to your rule. So keep it to yourself. Let blaid stay imprisoned. 5. As the Lord.. liberate the crucible knight imprisoned in limgrave. If he doesn't serve you.. kill him. 6. take your 2 new crucible knights & soldiers to venture down leyndel. Offer the omen born freedom in exchange for life long service in the military. 7. Venture to Redmane castle in caelid . You're the champion of the radahn festival & the new Elden lord. Demand their loyalty to the New golden order . Redmane knights are some of the finest warriors in the continent & loyal. Radahn loved the golden order so use that sense of loyalty . 8. Search for villages .. still functioning. Start rebuilding . Start rebuilding Leyndell. Install waygates to every important castle. Station Soldiers to monitor the death blight situation. Keep the rot at bay with fire. 9. Start research on the litany of proper death incantation. 10. Rule.. help people rebuild their lives. Let people heal, prosper & re establish their selfs. Let the omen breed to increase their numbers. Keep them away from education. You need their brute strength. Not Int or wis. You have plenty of time... let your Royal army grow to pre shattering level. 12. Invade Ranni's domain. Blood the region with omens . Lead the charge with destined death in hand. Find her. Kill her. 13. Invade deep root depths and burn the corpse with Godslaying flames or destined death. 14. Marry Rodrika because ..hey she's beautiful and you need a queen & she's a kind woman. 15. Live forever
I might add: 1. Put Sellen in charge of Liurnia as the returned governess of the Academy. Do not tell her whereabouts of Lusat so she stays in human form and give her loyal bodyguards that protect her from Ranni and Carian loyalists that once before imprisoned her. And as Sellen said, teach her the secrets that course in the Elden Ring to bring greater understanding of the universe's metaphysics to formal academia. It should benefit everyone. Also, rebuild Academy Gate Town and turn Rays Lucaria to teach non-magic people formal education. Those magic puppets sorcerers have could become free labour to work the fields for you! So you need to prepare for post-scarcity world. 2. Put Boc in charge of Gelmir, there are demi-humans already living in there normally and region could be given to them entirely. Though I wonder if Demi-human society accepts a male ruler. 3. Roderika is good choice for Queen, so no complaints there. 4. Ranni is a difficult problem, however. She cannot be killed as a pure spirit, and will always scheme against you from the shadows. She can easily avoid capture, even should you manage to destroy her doll body. You would need to consult Roderika to how to contain or mitigate her risks. Furthermore, Black Knife assassins are still around, serve they her or not. You have to protect your own people and allies from them. Nokron and Nokstella must be confronted for their crimes. Either peace treaty, or war. 5. Malenia might or might not still be around. 6. Godwyn has to be dealt with permanently. Finger-slaying Blade might not be enough to kill what is dead. I propose spearing Godwyn through with Miquella's needle. Employ both Gowry and Sellen, and other geniuses of Lands Between to study Miquella's Needles for this purpose. 7. If Gowry is around, he is still trying to prepare ground for the Order of Rot. That would imply Malenia will be reborn some day from her flower. Prepare for that eventuality. 8. Rennala might be too far gone, and knowledge that her children are dead might drive her crazy. But as a morally upstanding Elden Lord you still should think a way to snap her back into reality, heal her or either end her misery for good.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 1. Saving sellen: I never tell her about lusat. That's how i save her. But.. when you're the elden lord you have to ensure she _never_ finds lusat . Or... you can give her the great rune of rebirth to protect her from _herself_ . Nudge her into researching what benefits the new golden order. 2. Raya lucaria: yes, Definitely ensure more students get into the academy. Install secret waygates with stonesword key to inner raya lucaria. Rebuild the bridge & open trades between the regions. 3. Ranni: She's difficult. Whether destined death works or not... there's one thing in Golden order that has never failed. Law of regression. It can counter even _destined death_ . Goldmask is dead... so this makes sellen even more important than she already is. For black knives: Make the entire new leyndell light up with sentry's torch day & night. But that might take time & resources.. so until then.. Rodrika & hewg must get one available Crucible knight sworn to protect them. Another one For Sellen. All will carry a sentry's torch. 4. Malenia/Miquella/Mohg all three have one solution. Personal strength. Halgitree can't regain it's lost army. You can. So their individual strength is the true threat. As i said before... use hewg to fashion a new blade That can use the full power of destined death. Become your own Maliketh.. don't trust anyone with it. 5. Godwyn : Miquella's needle Stops outer God's influence. It probably disrupts their connection to the lands between. For example Two fingers needed centuries to communicate with the GW. So it's not going to be useful against godwyn . I can only hope Some combination of destined death, law of regression & Finger slayer blade can stop it. For the time being.. research & observation are the only real solution. 6. Boc : as much as i like boc.. he's a seamster that won't leave his Lord's side. He's no leader. The great serpent is another problem. 7. Mount Gelmir: I have a solution. Invite Great Horned Tragoth, Old Knight Istavan & older Hoslow brother . Return to them the guidance of grace. And give them the serpent hunter. Install them as guards to watch over the volcano manor. 8. Rennala: Destined death. Unless law of regression can heal her mind.. i see no other solution. The poor woman did nothing wrong.. she doesn't deserve to suffer any longer. 10. Lastly & most importantly: destined death must be sealed into your new weapon. Because if it isn't.. if it remains unbound then the Godslaying apostles & the nobles will regain their red black flames. They will come for you even if one them survives.
@@dragonlordplacidusax9413 I feel like you're a weirdo based on your obsession with ranni and what you said about the omen. Ranni is a doll that basically can't do anything without the player helping her and you went into caelid killing thousands of soldiers and the omen are meant to be citizens they're not just crazed brutes that's what the golden order made them.
I think Land Between is fascinating , it felt more to me a like metaphysical pocket universe which is why something like Godwyn spreads everywhere because he is like a metaphysical disaster. It’s fascinating the sort colonising spirituality and physically - metaphysics. Like to me Elden Ring is the laws of the universe so it shattering completely breaks rules or cosmos.
I mean I know Godwyn is an existential threat, but as far as the physical threats I don't discount the player character just going out and solving problems theirself. I mean we aren't glued to the throne when we sit on it. We had to fight our way through every army in the Lands Between to get to that throne, so assuming we can raise one of our own there's quite little a strong enough application of violence can't solve.
18:39 no the frenzied flame is objectively the worst ending. In it, you kill everyone and then die, leaving only the frienzied flame, and nobody is even there to narrate the ending.
15:25 malenia's mentor is the blind swordsman, i dont think he had the rot but it would be a possible explanation for why he is blind, if that even needed explaining. But he sealed away the god of rot, so idk
He sealed away the god of rot with the aid of the fairies. Perhaps he dealt with the god's physical form (much like how we beat elden beast), then had the faeries locked the god's essence underground. As for who/what these faeries actually were, who knows? Perhaps it's yet another god with vendetta toward the god of rot? Or maybe they're just that; faeries?
I feel like Ranni's ending is the best ending free of influence of outer gods, its the end of the world but with some hope of something new and cold its a different kind of nhilism from the frenzied flame ending lol.
I'm not sure that's what Rannis ending is. I think she's leaving the world and taking the influence of the elden ring with her. Leaving the lands between without a God.
Personally i think its the most frightening, taking order away from the lands between stops people like Marika messing with it but we also know outer god can enforce there order upon the world without dealing with the elden ring. No way is Ranni stopping the outer god of rot, the frenzy flame or the Prince of death
Did you not pay attention to the video? She's removing the Greater Will's influence, not the other Outer Gods. She just removed one player in the field.
Ranni's name literally means female thief in old Norse. She caused undead apocalypse by plotting to kill Godwyn, and when she has you ensnared as her puppet enforcer, she flees the Lands Between. Ranni's entire story is to free herself alone, everyone else she betrays, kills, or enslaves. Did you not play the same game?
Just pointing out due to horrid mistranslation, Age of Stars' darkness is supposed to be for the two of you, staving off the night, while the people will be free of the influence of the other gods.
Nah, I'm sure my character fixed everything after becoming Elden Lord. It wouldn't make sense to go through all that just to let Godwyn or the Scarlet Rot ruin the world all over again.
honestly i like the idea it's not us becoming God who rules everything. it's just our turn to claw our way to play King of the Hill until someone else shows up to try us
@@russian_knight see that makes sense but i always chose the age of dark which is more "smashes the throne to splinters and buggers off without a word"
This is true for every soulsborne game. They all center around maintaining the status quo or breaking the cycle, when in truth none of it makes a difference. That’s why there’s no such thing as a truly “good” ending in these games.
I think the greater will IS the elden ring, a parasite living inside a powerful host, using the erd tree to feed on the lands between. Marika realized this and tried to kill it via shattering, hence why the fingers cant really hear the will anymore. Any endingnthat removes the elden ring is a good ending, up too and including the Dung Eaters curse.
Funnily, i actually Ended up with the exact OPPOSITE interpretation: Of the Greater Will really beeing the only actually positive God in the Lands Between (It and MAYBE Miquella, we don't know enought about him yet), and Marika herself beeing the real problem in the Order. As an Aside, Dung Eater doesn't really Remove the Elden Ring? Its the same as the other Elden Lord endings but also everyone Is Cursed (Blessed?)
@@inserisciunnome basically by cursing everyone we "taint" them, making them inedible. Omen souls dont go to the tree upon death, meaning the tree cant feed on them, by makjng everyone omen we starve the greater will to death.
Im more and more convinced that the blessing of dispair is the Happy Ending. The erd tree/greater will is now doomed to starve, freeing the lands from it at long last. The Dung did evil that allows good to flourish unknowingly.
I find it rather funny that you suggest killing the god of rot or Godwynn would stall or thwart the spread of their influence, considering both are heavily tied to themes of death, rebirth and continuing past death. Hell, the centipedal mark on all of those who live in death is even a direct callback to the immortal centipede infestation from Sekiro. How can you kill that which defies death? And if there's any lesson to be learned in Elden Ring, it's that the act of killing doesn't bring about change. It only galvinzes those who back those causes. You effectively make martyrs out of those you seek to destroy. Collecting their power is also fruitless, as in the cycles of Elden Ring, it seems you are destined to die and give those hard-earned runes away, just the same as Marika. Perhaps that was her goal all along? To die, and be freed from the station of the one above all, in an attempt to break the Elder One's influence. (Though ironically, it seems as if there is no escaping the Elder One's influence, as the player who inevitably defeats Marika and becomes an Elden Lord finds out. Whoever becomes Elden Lord just gets to be a beacon of the philosophy they followed for a short while, before their rule is corroded and supplanted in time.
When referencing Faraam Azula & the other various places/areas in which the people/creature's within all "LIVE IN DEATH" , if you look closely at the "Elden Ring" symbol (as seen in the video) you'll notice that at its centerpiece, lies a "Symbol", more specifically a "Rune" that, when looked at in isolation, seems to be the Rune of Death. Which honestly would make sense when you consider the Rune of death is essentially the exact opposite of Marikas Symbol/ the symbol representing the Erdtree &life. In conclusion... the areas in the lands between that are "Pro" Marika/abide by the "beliefs" of the erdtree and what it said to represent, all contain the symbol of Marika golden order/ of the Erdtree,the Elden Ring symbol featured on the face of the game...while the areas that persist to live in death,all bare the Elden Ring symbol hosting the Rune of death as its centerpiece
Which is why I decided to f off and go on a magical space journey with Ranni instead of trying to fix this mess. She took the rules with us, so the people down there can figure out how to fix it themselves.
You do realize that Ranni's name means female thief in old Norse? She just stole metaphysical laws to govern the world for her own benefit and abandoned the world. Her entire arc is a heist movie, where she, the main antagonist, manages to get what she wants. You become puppet's puppet, enforcer to enact her dark will. Ranni's entire quest is to realize she will betray anyone to free herself alone. Everyone else she kills, betrays or enslaves. It is telling that she never "frees" anyone in her questline, she just has them killed to tie up loose ends. She has her servants kill Iji and Blaidd to betray "everyone and everything." And to remove all ties to her past. She shirks responsibility, abandoning both Caria and Leyndell of Golden Order. Her scheming led to Godwyn's death and undead epidemic. Lands Between are now bereft of sunlight, infected by Deathroot, and Ranni took away only means people can actually prevent or influence their lives. Star like lifeforms can assail the planet, and nobody can stop the flux of these lovecraftian monstrosities. Ranni's Dark Moon is sinister Outer God of loneliness and leaden coldness, and Ranni is herself no less sinister entity. Entire world has to be betrayed, and plunged into loneliness and cold, do she can be free to do what she wants. Who frees herself alone and enslaves in doing so others? A tyrant.
Perfect order doesn't work in that way. Goldmask pitied the undead hunters because they constantly seeked a great evil to contend with. Perfect order seeks to fix the faults of the golden order.
While I don't inherently disagree with anything said here, we have to consider that taking on Lordship isn't very well-defined. Supposedly all former Lords of the land have championed the Greater Will, so we really don't know what championing another Outer God does. It's entirely possible, knowing how the Greater Will basically changed the laws of reality for the Lands Between with the Elden Ring, that the moment we champion another God and put it on a pedestal that the new rules they want to impose on the land simply wipes out all the stuff it doesn't want around anymore like Godwyn's corruption or the Scarlet Rot. Things like that may have simply existed because the Greater Will didn't give a shit due to it still getting what it wants anyways (having more followers than the other gods and gettin' all that lovely soul-juice being recycled through the tree roots). Standard Lovecraftian God behavior, basically. Maybe the expansion will delve into this some more, but it seems like with most of Fromsoft games the ending is slightly ambiguous and you're supposed to just take it at face value (in the case of Elden Ring, that being your status as Elden Lord and the Land's new god being able to enact actual change on a reality level).
The frenzied flame can't do anything unless somebody inherits it and if someone does, the tarnished that's became elden lord would probably stop him. Also the tarnished becomes basically a god after inheriting the elden ring, so if Malenia is rebord he should have no problem keeping her away too. Even after Mohg's death, the formless mother might still have a connection with Miquella, leaving that up for the DLC. The dragon god probably has no plans to return since it just left on it's own. The Godwyn situation is dire as I don't think there is a way to stop him. It was shown that the power of the golden order counters those who live in death. So with the elden ring, maybe the tarnished can cleanse the Lands Between from Godwyn's influence or since the rune of death has been restored, maybe the tarnished can kill his body too. The gloam-eyed queen is probably Melina as many people theorize. If so, she's burned anyway. If Rykard is rebord he can probably be defeated again and then banished away from the Lands Between before he gets reborn again.
I never went back to Godwyn but it’s worth considering that from a lore aspect Godwin’s main body would die with the burning of the Erdtree as he was mixed in with its Roots when it was burned. I do feel like I’m the DLC we will actually fight Godwyn. At least I hope we do bc his design screams boss.
Ranni's ending abolishes the Golden Order and replaces it with an order based on the wisdom of the moon, which not only tells us nothing about the proceeding future but also doesn't stave off the influence of the Outer Gods. Goldmask's ending prevents the Golden Order from being altered ever again, but that's all. It doesn't stave off the Outer Gods or prevent people from becoming zombified due to old age, and it condemns and encourages the persecution of anyone who exists outside the Order (Albinaurics, Misbegotten, spirits and skeletons). And the other three basic endings are trash, so... Burn the Erdtree to the ground, and incinerate all that divides and distinguishes. MAY CHAOS! TAKE!! THE WOOOORLD!!!
The English translation of the Age of Stars End is wrong. Ranni actually creates a barrier against the influence of the Outer Gods themselves. Then she and the new Elden Lord leave so that everyone left can live independently without Greater Beings controlling them.
Only like 1m 30 sec in but since burning the erdtree is the first sin I feel like we’re going against the golden order no matter what ending we choose. Since the Elden Ring seems to control some aspects of reality (death), even repairing the Elden Ring (base ending) is just trying to fix some of Marikas faults E: 1:22
I love how the greater will doesn't really give a shit about how the Lands between are ruled. If proves the Outer God's aren't really the problem, it's the demigods that think they can do anything.
i disagree with this on a fundamental level. there IS hope for the lands between, however small. trying to obtain the elden ring at all is proof of that. why journey for it if theres no point? not everything is ruined and rotted completely either, there IS good to be found. and as long as ONE good person exists, its worth fighting for. for roderika, for hewg, for miriel, for jar-bairn, for zorayas, for boc. even if youre somehow right, and theres no saving it, for them we at least have to try.
I mean the 6 endings are corresponding to the 6 towers ... but theres still the 7th tower directly in the middle of the other 6 towers which hopefully will be touched on in the DLC which hopefully with the 7th tower also gives us a 7th ending which might change alot of things ... Patches lovestory leading to best ending????
You missed so much about miquella , we know so much about him , like miquella and st trina are the same person ,much like marika and radagon , and the halligtree was planted to be a haven for all that is good and evil , godly and maligne , or so it was said in cut content but still makes sense seeing the place , lotta reasons could e plains why he embeded himself in the tree , but one theory wich makes a lotta sense is that the dream world is closely connected to the outer god , miquella is a bieng of great empathy , hes also loved by all , either by force or by hes infinite knowledge and wisdom , wich explain why no parties tried fo stop him to build hes own lil kingdom , the reject leave the lands between and he gets to do whatever he wants everyone win , but both trees died , he needed the halligtree to continue growing , and now he needs another way to become st trina this time completely , not only to cure his sister malenia but also bring back the soul of godwynn , the favorite demi god of them all , who cared for him and his sister wich we see statue in the halligtree , so he needed more power , something that would go against the greater will so not morgot , rykard has been driven mad by the serpent , rannie is taken with hee own plan altho she seems to have complied to a favor still , haora loux is gone and nowhere to be found far behind the fog , marika is old captive , the only one left is mogh and hes not a discrete one , everyone knows about the dynastie , so hes got to tell malenia to create a diversion , because lets be honest , if malenia would have waited at the tree she would have kicked mogh ass back to the sewers , maybe the diversion is her fight with radhan , maybe also complying with rannie so she does what she was ask to , mogh is powerfull but not really withy , so he think hes abducting miquella while in fact his being tricked into it , what is left to know is , has miquella really tought it through , because while mogh is far from a genius hes directly connecter to the mother , wich is a lot less gullible than him , and if he actually manage to make it , can he actually contact the god of the eclipse and save the world from godwynn and bring back hes beloved brother , i know i havent told what was rannies part , the statue you see in farum azula right under the ancient elden ring , the young boy with three wolves , is actually miquella , he gave the bell of summoning and the spirit wolves to her and so she would give them to the tarnisehd that torrent chosed to be the next elden lord , milena was also involve somehow into miquellas plot , as the wistle ring tells that an empirian close to the spirit gave it to her , wich is a pretty huge bread crum when you connect those dot , wich also kinda connect marika somewhere around it , since milena might very well be the gloom queen since she have the eye at the ending of the frenzied flame , milena wich might be the new "forbidden child" , a lot like gwendolyn in dark souls , tho miquella is also another good exemple but not martirised like the gloom queen , it wwould make sense knowing all this that shadow of the erdtree would either start in the past from farum azula , wich is held nowhere in time , or still between two second , wich leads us to beleive that dragons still have power over time , or could actually start at moghs temple in the dream of miquella and then have to go back in time at farum azula probably to stop the death of godwynn ... wich will probably fail ... and so far nothing as been revealed about the tarnished without any reknown , who is the main character , he was entomb in a heros tomb , he must have been important somehow even tho it was from the shadows , and why do the grafted want him to stay there if hes a nobody ... so much stuff to come i cant wait 😊
Finally someone who doesn't simp over Ranni's ending as if it's the perfect solution. Ranni to me is very naive to think she can go into space and wage war on the outer gods on their own turf. She's never coming back or doing anything worthwhile.
While I think age of stars is the best ending but I cant ignore that apparently the deathroot would also destroy the lands between as well and if in being frank here the frenzy flame is the only one to make all the problems go away and to start over from scratch for as messed up that ending truly is
I was the best elden lord. I melted death root and rot... and everything and everyone else. But that's the price we pay for progress. Now I just need to figure out how to tax my constituents.
The greater will isn't referenced as an outer god to the lands between because it's the Inner God. Ofc - since it rules the land through the god regent and their lord - GW is the winner and is the "author" of the story, just like the war winners who call the losers bad and invaders if they manage to repel them. From the perspective of the GW and its adherents, all other gods are Outer and try to exert their control over the lands between, they are invaders to the Order that is applied to the world through the God regent (this moment marika/radagon).
Godwyn and deathroot isn't that much of a problem. The source of deathroot us godwyn still alive body mixing with erdtree roots. So simply just stab him was a black knife again to destroy him.
No that's not how it works, Godwyn's body has spread so far now that you can't just destroy one instance and be fine. Gurranq's whole quest is about that.
I actually thing the basic ending is rather good, heres why. From what we know the Erdtree is all about life and death and the cycle of it, just like our world. The Greater Will does not care who is lord or what order the world is in only that there is an order shown by how Placidusax was an Elden Lord at some stage. Marika is the reason the world is in shit due to removing the rune of death. If you restore the elden ring with death intact then the deathroot spread stops as it is part of the rune of death. Yes frenzied flame and scarlot rot are an issue still but i really dont think that ending is bad and after watching Smoughtowns video on the Greater Will i really dont think its bad for the land at all and it was all Marikas actions that caused the Shattering and the deathroot spread. Think about it if Marika didnt do what she did the Gloam Eyed Queen wouldnt try to rise up to return Destined Death, the Shattering and the war wouldnt have happened which means Caelid wouldnt be covered in Rot. Rykard would still be an issue though.
Yah know it's funny, I always thought all of the Souls series games where nihilistic by every conclusion. However I think this video kinda proves the opposite. Basically in order for something new to come about the old must fade away or be brought to an end. In some strange way it's like a total transition of not just the world the stories take place in but of what is considered "life" in those places. Making it's name sake the Lands Between when looked at literally more of a metaphorical land. That's the end of my Ted Talk.
Rebirth requiring destruction is a heavy-handed narrative being pushed into the public consciousness as our ruling class attempts to consolidate power and remake the world order. The new Batman clumsily hammered the same idea.
That's just zombie apocalypse with Lands Between under the pall of eternal grey mist. No more births, no more new lives, everyone just stagnating and wandering around as undead husks forever, ruled by mute, idiot corpse of God. Fia has misconception of Godwyn and Those-Who-Live in Death, because she was forced into sacred prostitution by the living. Those are soulless beings, they soul has perished, but their husk continues to live and torment those who are still living. They are not capable of thinking or have mental functions left. Fia tells you she was forced to lay with dozen of champions to pass their combined vigour to the dead exalted noble to reinvigorate him. So as a result, she started hating all the living and identify with the dead. She wants to force entire world live in the dead, because her own personal trauma. That makes her pitiable, but not in the right.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 Have to disagree. Fia is hating the living for ideological reasons not because living forced her into certain lifestyle. Plus she probably was necro philiac from very beginning, and also her goal to make everyone to become THLiD is because she is one and she wants everyone to suffer like her.
So Mohg and Morgott get imprisoned underground for being Omens (an abomination in the eyes of the Golden Order) but Godwyn is allowed to live above ground looking like that?
@@danielpurcell7203 thier apperence was simply used to justify the oppression, the omen souls are in some way immune to the greater wills feeding methods.
Possible hot take, but I don't believe the moons are outer gods. Every power of an outer god in the game that the player can use requires faith in some form; blood flame, fire incantations, thorn sorceries, etc. But the moons and primeval current use intelligence. They are more forces of power to be understood and used, while each outer god has its own will and vision. The dark moon does not wish to have its own age. Ranni and the Nox have their own ages that they wish to use the dark moon to bring about. Another thing I want to touch on is the state of the outer gods and Godwyn after Ranni's ending. Presumably, Ranni rids the world of all powers and orders that came before, meaning no golden order, and maybe even no memory of that order. Firstly, with no golden order, that would mean Godwyn gets a good ending. He's no longer stuck in the glitch of the golden order and can finally die a true death. Secondly, Ranni states that in her world, faith will be an impossibility. This could mean that the outer gods cannot impose their will on the world. They can't reveal themselves to mortals or choose an embodiment of their will, such as Mohg or Melania. I think Ranni's dark moon, because of how her ending erases the trace of all outer gods, is not a god itself but a powerful neutral force of nature.
You spouting a bit of nonsense. The carians almost rivaled the golden order and the moons literally appear to who they want to follow them obviously showing they want their power used in the world. The difference between stars and moons compared to other outer entities is that they don't focus on death rot, blood, and madness all want the entire world under their power and to basically destroy it. While the moons are fine with taking their destiny to the stars away from the other orders
Elden Ring is cool, but it's missing something. I just don't feel connected to it like I did Dark/Demon Souls or Bloodborne. I think it ahould have been more of it's own thing. Being yet another game with the same formula makes it feel tired. I hope Armored Core doesn't have the same problems.
