Elder Shadrock: Should Israelite Women be SILENT in the Church? 

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Do u know that Elder Shadrock only acknowledge the true and living God as The God of Abraham the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob as the name of his God, not the most high. Why do u say all praises to the most high god and not all praises to the God of AIJ?

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@@theresearchguystl how so?

They are so blind and deaf. If they could just look at their conditions, the situations they are facing it not hard to understand why we going through these afflictions and turn back to Their GOD and let HIM put back HIS POWER upon us, without that they will continue killed and under the bottom.

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... teach the congregation? That would be usurping authority over a man. That's not what this man is talking about. Woman through out the scripture labored in the gospel along side the men. Did you know this?

Thank you for your comment, there's no scripture that says israelite women should be silent in the church.

Read the woman by the well she was religious and knew nothing about what she was talking about... per Christ! "You know not what you speak of but WE know what WE speak of... "SPIRIT AND TRUTH"!!!

@@platnumbronz-lugo810 Thanks for commenting but the scripture you should read is "1 Corinthians 14 v34 - v35; consider where this took place, in Corinth and who Paul was speaking to..

yes it is.

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How??

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Keeping God's commandments is not oppression sister.

Thats exactly why they have taken on that white male anglosaxon christian mindset that was about oppression of their women now that some of us have recently become Israelites again they think that mindset applies to us when it never did. For more info please visit our site or call us at 1-888-505-7808

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Sharon Reeves you forgot Acts 2:16 (it was spoken in Joel ) Joel 2:27-29 he’s talking to israel in Joel 2 and Acts 2

@@theresearchguystl haven't we had this discussion before? Moses could not enter into the land and asked for someone to lead the children to subdue the land.

Being a prophetess does not mean the Israelite woman can talk on the pulpit to the elders...she is a teacher to children and young women, not to the Israelite men. Titus 2:3

Laverne Ragis So what is a prophet then? Do they only speak to their sons? Why did the most high choose to speak to prophets and prophetess?

@@laverneragis4321 Significance of Noadiah’s Objection to the Rebuilding Since Noadiah is mentioned by name by Nehemiah when he mentions his opponents, it seems she took a leading role in the opposition to his building project. This “is probably a measure of her importance and political power” (Brenner, Israelite, p.61). It appears that she was the head of the Jerusalem-based prophetic guild and she had the power to appoint kings just as Elisha before her (Fischer). As a way to circumvent her power Nehemiah set up his own prophets to anoint him as king (Neh. 6:7) and declared that Noadiah was a false prophet. Not only was Noadiah a prominent leader in the community, but all the other prophets in Jerusalem appeared to agree with her. Noadiah’s “opposition was formidable enough to send Nehemiah to appeal to YHWH, and…Nehemiah was terrified of what she could or would do if YHWH did not intervene… I suggest that she was opposed to his policies, which included breaking apart families and leaving women and their children as persons without status or identity, with neither shelter or sustenance. This may appear to be at odds with the immediate context of the dispute, the rebuilding of the walls. However, I understand the rebuilding project to be about literal and figurative separation of the reconstituted Judeans from the peoples around them [including their foreign wives and children]. The wall cannot be for defensive purposes, since Yehud (the province formed by the postexilic remains of the kingdom of Judah) is a vassal state and Persia is sponsoring the rebuilding” (Gafney, pp.111-2). The wall physically represented the compulsory exclusion of the people of non-Israelite descent. Noadiah, the False Prophet? Nehemiah implied that Noadiah was a false prophet and said that, along with the other prophets, she intimidated him. Some have argued that the Hebrew root of the word for fear can be used to express a sense of respect but in this context, there is no sign of respect for Noadiah (Shepherd, p.238). Naturally Nehemiah’s memoirs present his own point of view and therefore obliterate his opponents’ positions. Despite the fact that all the prophets in Jerusalem supported Noadiah, post-biblical commentators have neglected her because any defense she might have launched has not been preserved. “Prophets are only ‘true’ or ‘false’ from some perspective or other…Thus in Ezra-Nehemiah, Haggai and Zechariah are good and acceptable prophets because they support the project of Temple building which reflects the ideological values of the producers of Ezra-Nehemiah. Shemaiah and Noadiah are condemned because they are associated with the people who oppose Nehemiah’s building enterprise” (Carroll, p.91). Here is some research I found on Noadiah the prophetess. I'm sure more research can be done but I hope this helps to start the journey and look more deeply into this prophetess and her influence in the Jerusalem area and the community of Israelites something to do with levitical priests as well so keep digging it is very interesting I women did play some key roles in Jerusalem good or bad. SHALOM!!HALLELUYAH! Again maybe study to show ourselves approved unto Our FATHER The GREAT I AM... and become one olive tree!!!

Yep Significance of Noadiah’s Objection to the Rebuilding Since Noadiah is mentioned by name by Nehemiah when he mentions his opponents, it seems she took a leading role in the opposition to his building project. This “is probably a measure of her importance and political power” (Brenner, Israelite, p.61). It appears that she was the head of the Jerusalem-based prophetic guild and she had the power to appoint kings just as Elisha before her (Fischer). As a way to circumvent her power Nehemiah set up his own prophets to anoint him as king (Neh. 6:7) and declared that Noadiah was a false prophet. Not only was Noadiah a prominent leader in the community, but all the other prophets in Jerusalem appeared to agree with her. Noadiah’s “opposition was formidable enough to send Nehemiah to appeal to YHWH, and…Nehemiah was terrified of what she could or would do if YHWH did not intervene… I suggest that she was opposed to his policies, which included breaking apart families and leaving women and their children as persons without status or identity, with neither shelter or sustenance. This may appear to be at odds with the immediate context of the dispute, the rebuilding of the walls. However, I understand the rebuilding project to be about literal and figurative separation of the reconstituted Judeans from the peoples around them [including their foreign wives and children]. The wall cannot be for defensive purposes, since Yehud (the province formed by the postexilic remains of the kingdom of Judah) is a vassal state and Persia is sponsoring the rebuilding” (Gafney, pp.111-2). The wall physically represented the compulsory exclusion of the people of non-Israelite descent. Noadiah, the False Prophet? Nehemiah implied that Noadiah was a false prophet and said that, along with the other prophets, she intimidated him. Some have argued that the Hebrew root of the word for fear can be used to express a sense of respect but in this context, there is no sign of respect for Noadiah (Shepherd, p.238). Naturally Nehemiah’s memoirs present his own point of view and therefore obliterate his opponents’ positions. Despite the fact that all the prophets in Jerusalem supported Noadiah, post-biblical commentators have neglected her because any defense she might have launched has not been preserved. “Prophets are only ‘true’ or ‘false’ from some perspective or other…Thus in Ezra-Nehemiah, Haggai and Zechariah are good and acceptable prophets because they support the project of Temple building which reflects the ideological values of the producers of Ezra-Nehemiah. Shemaiah and Noadiah are condemned because they are associated with the people who oppose Nehemiah’s building enterprise” (Carroll, p.91). Given Noadiah’s probablem my research turn this up there was some controversy over her I hope this helps.HALLELUYAH SHALOM! Thank you

@@laverneragis4321 thanks for the comment, but its best to remember that Deborah was a judge and a prophetess. Furthermore Paul was sent to preach to gentiles not israelites. Please feel free to call israelite nation to discuss futher. (888) 505-7808

Ephesians 5:22- Women Submit yourselves to your own Husbands......1 Corinthians 14:34-35 - Women be silent

Also Gen it states it in Genesis 3:16 unto the woman he said I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children and thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee.

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Wendy as stated, you have to differentiate between what Paul instructed the "Gentile" women and men, versus what he himself and Israelites followed. If you don't the the scriptures will appear to contradict themselves. Disregard what Others say and read it as it was intended.

Men MUST sub'mitt 2 their WIVES, SO HE CAN ONCE AGAIN, ONLY IF SHE ALLOWS HIM TO COME UN'-IN-'TO HER 2 PRECREATE WITH HER, YR BIBLE IS YR MOTHER'S AMBIBICAL CORD, THINK ABOUT IT, A MAN DOES NOT BIRTH CHILDREN, UNLESS HE HAS AN PERSONABAG, SO DA HELLLLLLLLLLL AWAY WITH I CAME FROM HIS RIBS, DATS STRICTLY BULLSHIT, LOVE YA MUCH

That is so, so true, these gentiles is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob HIt men when HE send HIS Judgment!!!!

Which god are you talking for every nations has a god, but there is only one True and Living GOD. What the name of the one you are talking?

@@lurlenemax8628 How many gods have a Bible with a book of Acts in it?

And Timothy father was a Greek not a Grecian. And Paul office is to the scattered Israelites who was sometimes called Gentiles, not the Original Gentiles.

And know one is able to explain, if they are to speak. What should they speak about, their feeling or the breakdown of scriptures. Because when a man say, Would you tell Mary to shut up. Mary wouldn't be trying to speak and teach in the church

you need to clean your ear

@@chavonechakhan383 thanks for your comment. Israelites were never called or referred to as gentiles.

@@chavonechakhan383 That which you just stated is a lie. It is not in any way scriptural and cannot be proven. Gentiles are from the seed of Japheth.

Where did you find an old bible

Where does it say the gentiles join me self to us??? I thought it was bind themselves to the ministry of Creator Word. It mention to us.

Thanks for the comment. Paul was sent to teach the gentiles not Israelites. Israelites already had the law of moses. Feel free to contact israelite nation to discuss futher (888) 505-7808

It comes from a white christian male anglosaxon perspective that has no authority to teach from the Israelite bible hence the confusion. For more info please visit our site or call us at 1888-505-7808

original suze WHAT A RIDICULOUS THING TO STATE. Your scriptures are take from where? You’re understanding is zero here and not worth any time explaining

@@tyswa3178 Bible said "bible said fr by grace are you saved TROUGH faith it is a gift of God not of work lest anyone should boast "That is the beauty and superiority of Christianity, SAVE BY GRACE. Every religion in the face of the world said"save by doing good deeds including Judaism,but God said"i love you so much that I want to give you a brake"Just accept my son who already pay your fine on the cross and turn away from you r wicked ways and you will receive eternal life.jhn 3,16 God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever believed in him shouldn't PERISHED but have everlasting life. Jhn 3,16

@@originalsue8323 Are you dumb???THE BIBLE IS AN ISRAELITE BOOK!!! Whatever doctrine or concept christianity has to offer is a LIE so whatever you have to say as a christian does not apply to us who know the Truth. Jesus was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah. John 3:16 is part of a conversation between two Israelites. GO TO HELL WITH YOU CHRISTIANITY BS!!!

@@isaiah21121221 Read yr bible, don't just follow a leader like a zombie,that is why God give you a brain.I say "there's no way that you read yr bible and be so focused on old testament. Read yr bible after that we will talk.Until then ush.God said my children perish from lack of knowledge. Anyone who focuses on old testament will be lost in judgment day. ANYONE WHO FOCUSES ON RELIGION WILL BE LOST IN JUDGMENT DAY. JESUS IS THE DOOR, THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE(ETERNAL LIFE).NO ONE COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY HIM.

@@originalsue8323 Read my bible? Funny you should say that because as I told you it is an Israelite book. I usually dont cast my pearls to swine but Ill give you these from the new testament because Im bored Matt 1:21, Joh 1:31, Rom 9:1-6, Rom 11:1, 2 Cor 11:22, Phi 3:5, Rev 7:4 all these people are Israelites. Jesus came only for his people. Paul was an Israelite. The 144,000 sealed are 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. You make yourself look like an idiot trying to quote Hosa 4:6 to me and then tell me I only read the old testament. "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews" thats John 4:22 spoken by the Jesus who seem to know nothing about. I can go for a life time...but no more pearls for you...be gone with your false doctrine my people have had enough of your christianity we're tired of being lied to.

Thanks for your comment. Lets look at the whole chapter for context. I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. 9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. What does verse 7 mean to you

Thanks for the comment. Lets look at the whole chapter for context. I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. 9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. What does verse 7 mean to you

@@anthonyross3255 Such a simple point but it will be missed. We await his response.

@@biblebigmouth6694 never understood how its always missed, but yes we await.

JbGch Herbs Then you show me where in the Bible it says women should be silent .I find nothing wrong with anything that he has said. We are so brainwashed wrong with information that when it's explained we don't want to hear because we are comfortable with the way things are and afraid to acknowledge it. Leave Elder Shadrock alone.

JbGch Herbs Then you show me where in the Bible it says women should be silent .I find nothing wrong with anything that he has said. We are so brainwashed wrong with information that when it's explained we don't want to hear because we are comfortable with the way things are and afraid to acknowledge it. Leave Elder Shadrock alone.

jbGch Herbs)))))((((( LET'S GO TO SCHOOL AS UNLEARNED SHEEPLE N LEARN AS ONE. IT'S ENOUGH FUSSING N ARGUMENTS AS IT IS NOT NEEDED. PLEASE CHECK OUT "PROFESSOR WALTER WILLIAMS" VIDEO CALLED "THE THREE DIRTY RELIGIONS"; N BROTHER'S, N SISTERS LET'S GROW IN WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AS ONE. YOU'LL ALL BE KNOWLEDGEABLE. PEACE BE STILL

jbGch Herbs..the only thing unbelievable is that you could make such a long winded empty comment you must be a christian...news flash THE BIBLE IS A ISRAELITE BOOK!!!

Was Timothy taught by Paul? Does his writings but reflect his teachings of Paul and his thoughts? Here's another question is that hebraic thought in every area the way the most high utilized women as in the Book of Joel. As at the Tomb of Jesus rose from the dead? WHERE YAHSHUA HAMASHIACH asked a woman to speak to the disciples on his behalf? There is some contradiction here in scriptures in the writings and we need to be strong enough to compare what JESUS CHRIST of NAZARETH told women to do compared to Paul! HALLELUYAH! To Our FATHER YAH who is The GREAT I AM the GOD of Abraham the GOD of Isaac and the GOD of Jacob! He gave women voice and jobs to do even in Genesis had it not been for Rachel perhaps Esau would have gotten the birthright because she heard from The GREAT I AM! Who is the GOD of Abraham Isaac and Jacob!HALLELUYAH! Psalms 68:4 “Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.” For he is the many breasted one.

Lets discuss what verese 7 is saying

Absolute lies, if you believe that you believe lies. If you teach that you teach lies. Seems that you are a liar.

It mentions in one of Paul's letter also women should covered her hair

Google it

Corrintin 11:3

Ora Smart I don't get what you are trying to say

@@americaisajokenow1090 that must be to the Gentile women because the Israelite women if you think about it they already had their heads covered when they entered the temple it's in the Torah

Ok, thanks for commenting

Paul's mission was to the gentiles. 1 Timothy chapter 2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. Take notice of verse 7

Thank you for your CARNAL opinion.

what are you a child playing with the word "Search the scriptures"!

@@platnumbronz-lugo810 what scripture says an israelite woman can't teach?

1 Timothy 2:12

@@platnumbronz-lugo810 who was paul speaking to

Apostle Simeon???

Thanks for the comment. Lets look at that entire chapter for context. I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. 9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. What does verse 7 mean to you

Job Judah Israel is that your real name? LMAO, who gave you the authority to change your name? Complete lack of understanding and wicked practices to change your name. Did Moses change his name for example??NO !!! So before you criticise Elder Shadrock on things you’ve zero understanding, think about what evil made you do disobedient to go against the true and living God of Israel.

The truth is Christianity spun thus scripture to say that all women should be quiet. Those that follow that teaching shows just how deep and long the chains if slaver reach. Gentile women are to be quiet not the women of the 12 tribes. If you reach that Israelite women must be quiet you should follow it by saying Merry Xmas or happy easter. Very uninformed.

Petey Karorero If these are false teaching rebuke it with scripture.

How so?

Petey Karorero the truth hurts, I know!

Petey please provide scriptures