The untrained, unqualified male elders listened to the tape of an assault on a 14 yr. old girl how many times? And then played it in front of the parents & victim??!! Shouldn't they be on a sex offenders' list?
Shame on those Elders!!! That poor child. 😢 what was the Elders payoff? They themselves are perverted at the price of this child. Rape is a crime! Why didn't they report it to the police so the Child could have gotten professional help. This crime should never have kept quiet. When the police don't do anything about you get counseling and the counselor is a mandatory reporter. Parents please protect your children. Do not go to the Elders! Poor Girl 5 hours of mental torture from the Elders. I hope that the rapist gets jail time and as for the Elders I hope they get charge with the crime of not mandatory reporting and keeping a crime secret. Watchtower has a legal department that they call for advice. A religion that does not report rape or child abuse cases is not the true religion. Don't let children fall into something like this again Parents. To many secrets are kept by this organization. Mr. GRACEY THE WATCHTOWER POLICIES ARE SO UNJUST. I THANK YOU FOR TALKING about this. This will help alot of people so that they will not fall into the trap of the Watchtower/JWS.
Just what I was thinking,Meghan. Why FOUR elders? Usually two or three at most. One can only guess why. Why listen to it over and over again? That poor young girl would have been traumatised for life, I truly hope that this isn't the case . I'd like to think that they didn't know exactly what they were doing but they knew alright. This was torture of a child for their own gratification. I don't know what the outcome of this case against them, but I hope that they're all prosecuted and shamed along with the Watchtower for backing them. How can this organisation keep being viewed as mainstream religion? They need to be brought down for good. That time WILL come!
My husband jus said this today listening to Lloyd rebuttal pillow talk I think. As his wife disfellowshipped since '07 finally waking up he is grateful that this organization didn't take my life being depressed and suicide attempts after being molested raped & nothing done. Side note it was step dad did me my two sisters for yrs & finally told our mom & she jus said u HV to learn truth ... So we HV struggled for yrs now 33/35 to become healthy women wives mothers ourselves. Thanks for hearing my comment/story. & Yes love & finding peace to those who HV died or suffered through sexual abuse /suicide. ❤️
"She killed herself after that meeting." - I had to pause, because his tears and those words made me cry too, and then seethe with such anger at this abusive cult. There are just no words.
It sounds as if they get off on hearing the sexual encounters. I've watched a few videos where the individuals were asked by the elders to describe and recount their sexual encounters in detail. Sick!
Prison is reserved for harden criminals, I wouldnt put the elders in that category lol. Plus that would play into the whole persecution complex. What they really need is strong therapy to wake them up and show them what they are doing is not ok and is severely damaging to people. Remember elders are trapped in a cult too, we were all there.
@@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass agreed jail may not be appropriate. But when I was a young woman I was “counseled” for my loose morals (lol) and the questions they asked and the interest they showed in intimate details was unsettling. I took a big step back from the organization after that
Wow I'm a jw and I'm crying. I've also devoted my life to this organisation and seen first hand many things. I'm getting stronger to realise this is not gods organisation. Thank u for this video. We witnesses need to know the truth, the real truth.
You're not alone, even though it might feel like it right now. Waking up isn't at all easy, and you're an incredible person for being willing to look behind the curtain.
Feeling ya! It’s very very hard to untangle it all. No one can really understand how much fear exists in even talking about it all because the organization was presented as if it is God himself. With time and a lot of support you’ll find your way through the process. Totally advise anyone leaving a high control group to get some good solid therapy, and it’s ok if it’s for years. There are beautiful experiences and discovery’s to be made on the other side.
Yes you are not alone. It's scary but also very reassuring to make this shift away from the organization. I remember when I truly realized that "worldly people" are comprised of good and bad people just like everyone else. They can be loving, caring and have my best interest at heart! It was such a beautiful realization that I wasn't hated by the world and that being part of the world wasn't wrong. You will get there and you are very brave.
@Just Whatever - After listening to this, how on earth can you defend this organization. What these elders did is not just a MISTAKE.. these elders should be prosecuted, along with watchtower. Don’t even bother to respond to my comment!
@Just Whatever - First, the courts don’t play recordings over & over for 5 hours while a 15 yr old cry’s hysterically & begs them to stop!!! What they did to this girl & her family is disgusting AND look what they’ve done to YOU!!! They have taken your empathy, your sympathy & your common sense and deaden it so much that you can’t even see how awful what they do is. You have been “programmed” to defend the organization to the bitter end, no matter what. I’ve seen your comments on other channels & you are as bad as watchtower! This organization has absolutely NOTHING to do with God!!! They destroy peoples lives & then wash their hands of them & go on to the next victim! When elders finally do get hauled into court, where’s watchtower then?? No where.. they will throw them under the bus! If you can’t or even worse, “won’t” see how mind controlled you are after watching this video, there’s no help for you! So you just keep trying to pull us so called apostates back into watchtower, you keep telling others not to listen to us, because you are wasting your time.. ( no amount of hours you put down on that time card is going to pull any of us back) we have opened our eyes to watchtowers evil ways! It’s about time you did the same!
@@CharlesMichaelSidwell no?? i think you're reading too much into his closing statements. he enjoyed talking to his friend! and absolutely not. videos that cover the subject of rape get little to no monetization.
Dave Gracey's story was incredibly upsetting for me to listen to. Dave has a lot of strength to tell his story. I can't believe the abuse he and his family have suffered at the hands of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Shocking is an understatement.
I love that Dave's Granddaughter said that.. why would any woman want to be part of an organisation that considers them lesser than men? If women refused to be party to being subjugated by any religion, ALL religions would fall.
Let’s not put the onus on women to take this or any religion down. This is as good as saying that it’s women’s fault that it continues. I’m sure that no one meant to say that but it comes off that way. It reminds me of the saying “happy wife; happy life”. It amounts to saying that if the home is unhappy it’s because the wife isn’t (or can’t be) satisfied. Women don’t always get to set the tone in the home; especially if they are abused or not treated as equal. An unequal power dynamic keeps many women in bad marriages and misogynistic religions.
Yet, the Organization during the Australian royal commission kept testifying that the elders instructions are to be caring and considerate to victims of sexual assault and to provide whatever care and help they need. They also kept saying they always believe the victims...seems like that was just a bunch of lies...go figure. This is absolutely disgusting!
Shining light on this will save others from such brutal psychological treatment. Many have studied and attach to this group without full discloser of what they are signing up for. Those of us who were born in don’t know for a long time that any other choice is available. Jesus, as a model of love, would never have put anyone through judicial committee processes. The original Bible students who seeded this group have become the clergy they so vehemently opposed. I’m so sorry your entire family went through this and I hope your precious daughter can make sense of her experience knowing it was entirely wrong. What a blessed one she is to have a father who loves and cares so much to see this through to becoming free of the oppression being wielded by the force of fear.
They did this to me also, they set you up for rape! I was drugged and they did a gang rape! The police and the system helps them because the JW pay for help
Who lies on the kitchen floor period??? Oh she's just taking a nap? I'm so confused, hurt, and deeply troubled by this - poor Laura! 😢 Poor Dave, I'm not yet a father, but my heart broke to smithereens to hear this. I'm soooo glad I left, I cannot say enough how disgusting this organization is and everything it represents. I'm even more glad that Dave and Miju left (Miju 💪 "I'm not going back!") and they contacted the authorities. Everyone needs to see how morally bankrupt the JWs are!!!
If I saw any neighbour on the floor like this, irrespective of their race, colour or religion, I would call for immediate help. Yet, here with have an Organisation with people that don’t even look out for their own - one that claims to be the true religion. Well, that’s clearly a lie.
OMG!! I could not stop thinking about that part of the video-how could the woman do that?! She “cares” so much supposedly about this neighbor that she is helping her get to the meetings, etc., but when she sees her having a real problem in her actual REAL life, she feels no responsibility to help her??!!! WTF!!!??? I kept waiting for Dave to say that she came to him with this information, expressing remorse and apologizing, but apparently not?! To leave another human in that situation repeatedly when you have the power to call 911 and potentially save her life-THAT should be a disfellowshipping offense!!!
Absolutely appalling - disgusting! They revictimized this poor young girl in an abusive and unforgivable way! And the loss of his daughter...there are no words. 😢
One of the most heart breaking stories I’ve ever seen involving this organization, I regret ever being a part of it and I blame myself anyone I could have ever possibly roped into it, and I’d take it all back if I could.
Thank you. This channel has helped so much. Sometimes the best therapy is to listen to others who were once "in" and share my thoughts with them. We are all survivors of this cult and reaching out to each other is so therapeutic. I am so grateful for the work that people like Lloyd are doing.
No need to blame yourself. Some of us were born in. We literally had no choice, taught since infancy to behave this way People radically under estimate the power of brain washing and especially when it involves Religion and cults. Give yourself grace (not a religious grace) and recognize you did the best you could with whatever situation you were given. We are out now and that's all that matters.
This is incredibly sad. These uneducated men traumatizing this young girl and entire family. I am so glad I finally woke up and understand all of this sickening nonsense. Thank you, Lloyd for exposing all that you do. And thank you, Dave, for being able to share all the info on 1975 and such a horrific story.
I was only 7 in 1975 & I remember the talk that it was the end. I remember one talk that said to kids don’t expect to ride into paradise on your parents’ coattails. I was afraid if I was good enough to make it at even that young age. 😔
I have been saying for years watchtower is an evil spirit mascarading as a religion ( christianity Judaism Islam ) this Thing love slaves and love blood ...read the old testiment.
@@checkthefacts. I remember thinking, what if the sister is threatened with a knife, in case she screams? but apparently, they thought, its better to die and be resurrected. Even the elders ( myself and those i knew) secretly hoped that such a crime never occurs in the congregation, the same about blood transfusion. Perhaps i was too naive. I never liked to hear about any sexual « sin » nor did i like judicial meeting.
@@disassociated1731 I remember the knife and screaming scenario too,how awful,I mean for someone to go through a terrible experience like that and then get judgement rather than help and support is really bad psychological abuse
Thats a very good question. They really should have been charged for having a listening party. The 18 year old that made it should have been charged with creating CP!
She went to the meeting! It would have been discussed there 😠 I’ve no idea how Dave has coped with all of this. All that’s happened, and on top of that STILL must have believed it must have been god’s organisation throughout most of it. That’s some DEEP and destructive manipulative brainwashing.
These elders are practicing therapy without training or licenses. This is outrageous. I was JW for 26 years. Have been out for 25 and I'm now a practicing psychotherapist that specializes in trauma including sexual assault and abuse as well as helping ex-cult members. I hope this family finds peace and I hope they are suing the WTS.
For an organisation obsessed with the concept of not bringing reproach upon Jehovah's name their warped concept of justice does a far better job of bringing reproach upon their crazy , inhuman system
GOD does not need protection from humans. Parents are there to protect them . As a mother, it is our obligation to give it our all to protect them. The Elders work for the Watchtower . They will protect it so the JWS. Will not stop their donations. They will not change their policies to mandatory report child abuse. The Pedophiles will be protected by this and they know it. Parents report Child Sexual Abuse please! Elders do not Love your Children like you do, it is your obligation to seek justice for them.
Nothing surprises me about this cult, but this has shocked me to my core. I hope Dave and his family are doing well. The respect I have for you is deep.
What a loving organisation 🙄Disfelowshiping someone someone for being a victim of a horrific crime after blaming them for causing it. Then marking someone for standing up for the victim 💔💔 So glad I have never been a part of this "loving" organisation 😡😡😡
I have, kinda relieved that the point that pushed me to waking up was being judged and questioned of past mistakes by elders because i drank half bottle of vodka, and months after i get suggested by youtube the tony morris whiskey video. I couldn't imagine what would i do if i had to pass through 5 hours of listening me being raped in front of my parents.
This reminds me of being a child and every time my parents suspected me of doing something “wrong” they would threaten to tell all of the elders and subsequently the entire congregation would find out. I feel so so bad for this poor girl. It really is a form of terrorism and she must have issues with CPTSD :(
The "truth" destroyed my childhood and still affects me today at 50 years old. I'm sure all the children raised in the JW cult you remember school being pure hell. We had to sit out all things that had to do with any holidays at school having teachers try and sneak gifts to us because they felt bad. Children making fun of us and if they ever forgot we were a member of a cult we were forced to remind them EVERY morning that we were not allowed to salute the flag.
How quickly the elders shift blame. I can relate, as my own daughter was a victim of sexual assault and pivoted the blame from the perpetrator to victims. Amazing story, thank you for sharing it.
We all can say that such dangerous acts of abuse is unforgivable but only Jehovah can judge. I don't condone abuse at all an I would hold a bro or sis accountable for their actions because they have destroyed someone's life maliciously.
The GB has taken away every humanity on its supporters. This organization is cruel and sick. I’m glad I woke up. My prayers and support to all its victims
But yet they parents allowed it to happen. I have a hard time understanding being so brainwashed you sit and allow that to happen to your child for 5 hours.
@@cindybydesign Can ask you for a little sympathy?. He explained that at the time his greatest fear was that his daughter would be disfellowshipped. Do you know who are the ones who decide that? The elders at the request of the watchtower.
@@cindybydesign Please stop blaming the victims of this sect. It is clear that no sane father would harm his daughters in this way. He trusted that the "trial" would be fair and he was misled.
@@URPndJs I know what you're saying and I do have sympathy for all the horrible things that happened, but how devastating for the child, her parents sat by and let her be interrogated like a criminal for 5 hours and even after that still kowtowed to the organization. How can she ever feel safe or trust anyone if even her own parents can't be counted on to protect her? They could have literally walked out and stopped it at anytime. Insanity.
I have one thing to say...I grew up being taught that you will be able to recognize the true religion by the love they have for one another...it DEFINITELY IS NOT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
Ty Andrea for your compassion 🙂. This cult has destroyed my life and something similar to that happened to me and I told my mother and she told me to shut up I'm a liar. I'm 57 and I'm on antidepressant meds and I will be for life.
If I wasn’t already out, I would be after this. I know the pain of losing a child, but not in circumstances like this. Dave and Miju.. sending you all my respect and love. Words just fail me.
So many people in organisation still view these men as God’s spirit appointed elders whereas many of them should be in prison for their manipulative behaviour.
Here is to Rita. Sending love to you and admiration to you. As an ex-JW and a father of 2 daughters, this story rings true and is just heart breaking. I am so sorry you went through this. I do admire that you are fighting back through the court. From victim, to survivor to champion. I am sure it has been a hard journey, but for whatever this is worth, I am sending you love, support and a big, long hug.
I can almost imagine how a deeply misguided zealot could think playing that tape would be a good idea - But to keep going for 5 hours while an obviously traumatized child is crying and begging you to stop ... What kind of person does that? How can a whole group of people do this and live with themselves? I think that's exactly the kind of unfeeling, merciless mindset a rapist would have.
As bad as what happened to his step daughter, I'm most horrified by what happened to his daughter. For all we know, she might have just been unconscious at that time. How could she just ignore her like that? How could anyone do that?? How hard is it to dial 911?
I just couldn’t watch this video at once, I had to take breaks because it’s so.... I can’t even describe it. Imagining the daughter’s pain and trauma makes my heart literally aching. I’m so so deeply sorry for what the whole family had to go through..... I’m sending you all a lot of love
I met Dave and Miju at the Lake Tahoe Apostafest and heard a little bit of their story but not the details that this interview has brought out. What HORRIFIC situations they have been put through and that sick JW Cult still arrogantly defies every shred of decency and human compassion. "Love never fails"??? Love NEVER existed in JW and my personal situation also testifies to that. Both Dave and Miju are wonderful people and they are both badasses. I hope they finally get some Justice down the road.
@@who_the_fuck_is_riley5813 I just can't imagine how people like you feel when hearing about these things. It feels kind of embarrassing now that I'm awake to know how entrenched I was. We must look really stupid to you guys.
@@Freeeeeeeee27 I don't think you look stupid. Like you said, you were entrenched in the organization. I was raised in a Baptist church environment and was hardcore religious until like middle school, so I can see how that influences one's life. I only got a taste, thankfully, but I can see why people believe these things when their social lives and families depend on it.
@@Freeeeeeeee27 As a person who was in Pentecostal cults I do understand your embarrassment, but I would echo what others have said. that you have nothing to feel embarrassed about. Anyone can end up indoctrinated, either into religion or another group. I think I can speak for the majority of Lloyd’s audience who were never in by saying that we are happy that you are free to live your life. I hope that you and other exJWs have managed to find some happiness.
This is disgusting. I'm gonna say it again, Jehovah's witnesses don't know what love is. As a father of daughters myself I can only imagine what kind of absolute RAGE he must have been feeling when the elders played that tape. Disgusting, there is no excuse for that.
i relate totally to this story, i was appointed as an elder at age 22, at the same time as Dave...and very soon became the unique elder in a congregation... also remembering the 100 h per month as a regular pioneer. Fortunately, i resigned and DA sooner as him:) so i got my children out of the cult, which i consider as one of my best achievements in my life
@@realkef yes, i agree, this was at the beginning of the elders arrangement, before they had only the overseer, and two others for judicial committee. You could be a helper to theocratic ministry school as young as 17, if you were a good teacher. As a pioneer you could be asked also to go to a congregation with problems, which had led to the removal of the ( old) overseer...But i was definitively too young, and also a too young father at this time. They took all of our youth:(
@@carolsimpson4422 no, i had a few classical « adulterous » men, repentant and already forgiven by their wife...And some fellow elders who disassociated especially in the 80s after Ray Franz s book. To be honest, i did not even know that sex abuse existed among jw, at least in my country, or in my district. I dont remember that we ever spoke of this, even in kingdom ministry school or other special meetings for elders. But this was 50 years ago.
What a revolting story. I'm a lifelong, 2nd generation atheist who watches this channel in fascinated horror. My best wishes to the whole wonderful family. I hope they can heal and continue to bring good from their heartbreaking experiences.
Misogyny to a new plateau. Control by ignorant and authoritarian people for some kind of weird God and org. And marking someone for trying to get help. The literature and talks from stage always attribute or calls it trials and a test of faith. To keep you in. And to listened to the dreaded, mentally diseased apostates! After listening to the first 5 or 6 "apostate" you tubers, I felt real love for apostates.
@VideoAudioDisco09 He clarified what happened with the '75 prediction. Also they drill people with such insensitivity. The death of his daughter by suicide was too sad. Not there to shepherd the flock or se the appearance as to bind up the wounds. I do not believe all elders are like that. By ignorant I meant their lack of knowledge in dealing with these serious issues. Their head is only filled with Shephard the Flock book- that is their realty that explains everything. I have good memories but also a lot of stress. I clean for a living, actually tried to be able to go in a different direction- which failed and added to exhaustion and stress. We(I) was lulled into acceptance and complacency- everything is temporary, Jehovah is looking over us, and rely on him. That is one of the more serious plight I find myself in.
1:00:57 Elders mistakenly ask Dave's youngest amazing granddaughter, ( whom was 17 at the time ) *"Why aren't you baptized like your older sister?"* Dave's youngest amazing granddaughter replied, *"When you let sister's be elders and sit in on Judicial Meetings, then I'll think about it."* ❤👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤ ☝🏼 *From ApostaBabe Linda James.* ☝🏼
This is beyond words. I cant imagine what this poor child went through. These elders need jail time because of the abuse. And then his eldest daughter that committed suicide???? Both Dave and his wife really went through HELL. ALL BECAUSE OF THESE JW'S. I was born and raised in this toxic organization and no one gives any respect to those people going through difficulties.
This took so much emotional courage for him to share this. I admire him very much for sharing so much painful information that is so important for others to hear. Thank you Dave Gracey.
"There is no real love in Jehovah's organization" says everything you need to know about Jehovah's Witnesses. Dave you have helped so many people telling your story because it lets those of us that felt the same lack of love that we weren't the only ones. I remember feeling it was me, I wasn't pleasing Jehovah so he was letting me know thru his holy spirit based organization, in the end we all just felt the effects of window washer hillbillies.
Jeffrey that is how we felt until we started do our research and meeting other ex jw's and found out through online videos and reading ex jw's stories that it is endemic to the entire org
43:22 That nurse's behavior is a violation of HIPAA law. Medical organizations fire people for breaking HIPAA law. The nurse and possibly the organization can be sued by the daughter.
Generally I dont understand how they allow members of cults that go against the Hippocratic oath, the fundamental principle of Medicine, practicing in the US.
I believe you totally. Something like this happened to my own sister and she was 14 at the time. We weren't allowed to go to the police the elders made that very clear. I tried to get other elders involved from another congregation and they all concocted a story that my 14 year old sister asked for it. Disgusting. Of course she didn't! !!!
I sent a voicemail, but I didn't even cover half of what happened in this "religion" that I was raised in. The sexual abuse cover ups within the hall, the shaming if you got assaulted outside, the shunning, the indoctrination "make sure you take your notes" "make sure you study your material so you can preach better" "we're doing sign language classes so we can reach more people; make sure you learn" "don't let anything interfere with your meetings" I can't stand it. I left my full name. I faded out, but since 2017, the elders were telling my parents that I should've been disfellowshipped. Only reason I know is because my dad wasn't as indoctrinated and he was angry at that statement, and let me know.
I can't even imagine... I am so incredibly sorry for your daughter and yourself. I'm happy to hear that you were able to leave this unbelievably sick and disgusting cult.
It took me a few days to prepare myself to watch this. As a SA survivor, I cannot even FATHOM being forced to listen to it! It’s shocking and repulsive. They need to be held accountable somehow for putting this poor young lady through this trauma again.
This is just madness , hope this lady has recover from these traumas .... I do not know if that is even possible. Edit .... I have finished the video ...... I am so sorry ..... I have no other words
This was absolutely sickening. It takes years of training to interview rape victims. The elders' arrogance is unbelievable. I don't understand how they can look themselves in the mirror. Destroy a child's life for what purpose? How can the JWs who are listening to this accept this as Jehovah's will?
Dave I'm so sorry about all you have been through and the loss of your daughter. Thank you for sharing your story. I'm so happy that you can enjoy your family with "unconditional" love! I left when I was 18 and have been out for 30 years! It's a big beautiful world out there with kind people. 😊
I am disgusted and furious on so many levels with this story. This young woman's entire life on every level has been irreparable. The " society " is so sick spiritually they are not even on life support. They are the disease. I can't believe this father would even have anything to do with the society anymore. What a unbelievable nightmare. I pray for this young woman. 🙏
Just when you think you’ve heard it all, another devastating wave of abusive, coercive, manipulative behaviour comes crashing down on the people Watchtower is meant to protect. 💔
I had to hold back the tears listening to Dave’ story and the family’s fight for justice - heartbreaking and showing the Watchtower in their true colours. The actions of the Elders are in my view a clear case of child abuse - it may not have been physical but the effects and damage are no less than the original rape. HQ in New York can’t wash their hands of this - they know exactly what’s happened and yet there is no one iota or remorse, or sympathy, for the family. How can this be a spirit directed Organisation? Stephen Lett can stand up and deny that the Organisation is permissive towards child abuse, but the reality is that they are complicit in conducting it through their Organisation. Truly shocking.
I expect you remember the legal case in Manchester England, where elders made a victim face her abuser. The Charity Commission told WT in no uncertain terms that it was a breach of human rights and a breach of Charity rules or similar.
How is it that (I wish I could say their names) those elders aren't in prison? The elders were in possession of child abuse material and they used it to harm the victim and her family. The elders (those perverts) should be in prison.
It’s infuriating how they get away with absolutely everything. They think they are above the law, and unfortunately when they have been allowed to do such despicable things with little to no consequences, then it just plays into that mindset they have of themselves even more.
@@amys5029 I agree, and it also tricks the congregation into thinking everything is ok, because of the lack of consequences. So they're left wondering "I heard rumors that Brother so-and-so got questioned about child abuse, but he's still here in the meeting, so I guess everything is ok!" And, if anything DOES come of it and there are consequences, then a lot of the die hard witnesses will simply say "satan's system is attacking god's earthly and heavenly organization"
Bro I had to hold back tears while I'm at work listening to this. You sir went through so much pain. And I couldn't believe having to be told that my daughter possibly laid dead on the floor for like 3 days and that old bitty of a sister never thought "maybe there's something wrong" when seeing a young woman sprawled out on the god damn kitchen floor. That's so heartbreaking
I thought I knew a lot about this organization, having been married to one. However, this goes beyond anything that I imagined. The fact that this man could still want to be a part of it speaks of the tremendous psychological hold that it has on its members.
The being pulled back and being reproved for talking to her disfellowshipped fleshly Sister is unhinged enough, but as for the reason for that disfellowshipping, that of being r*p*d at 14, then ALL the rest, is beyond sickening. So unnecessary that this family have had to go through all of this. ALL down to wt policies. Sympathies, and love out to you Dave, and your family.
Although the elders actions were reprehensible, I could never imagine being a father and allowing my daughter to be put through such an interrogation. Poor girl.
I can almost understand. He was deeply brainwashed, and his logic was "If we leave this meeting, my daughter will be disfellowshipped and go to hell. I can't let that happen." He's a victim as well, even if he made a huge mistake. You can see the deep regret he has now, and he understands that he did wrong by his daughter.
They are so anxious to have the world end!!?????? This is why Hitchens says that religion poisons everything. The incident with his daughter is horrifying.
Brave brave man. I've had my own horrible experiences with elders psychologically/mentally/emotionally abusing me, but what your family went through should be made into a documentary! Thankfully I woke up 30 years ago and got out.
Dave, I felt your pain. I was part of the cult for decades. My only son is shunning me since 2017. I pray to my God that he wakes up & hopefully he is free from the cult.
I have no words. Such a horrific situation! I have 14 year old daughters, I can't imagine going through something like this with them. Thank you for sharing your story. Sending your family loads of love xx
This is an incredibly sad yet thought provoking account i remember someone saying to me some time back be careful what you buy into I now question everything I always like to listen to your program Lloyd it's very enlightening
Wow, so incredibly sad. I’m fully awake now and getting the HELL OUT ASAP! Thankful my husband and children saw through the BS and never wanted anything to do with “The Truth”. Thank you for your brave story.
How come those elders are still alive ? I mean, serious, i could not have taken it with his strength and bravery. His daughter went through hell. Beeing there for and helping her is one hell of a challenge.
Judicial meetings are completely unscriptural - just unbelievable that they even continue. I know people who have been questioned like this - made my blood boil.
So deeply sorry for your loss. I’m commenting along the way as i listen and I am completely horrified at the outcome and loss of your sweet girl . Sending you so much heart and care. The blood on the hands of this organization will be called to an account!
"When you let sisters be elders and sit in on judicial meetings, then I'll think about it" WOW some of the most powerful and courageous words I've ever heard, you should be proud of your granddaughter Dave, I'll never forget those words, they hit the nail right on the head.
