These EV makers don't tell people that in the cold the vehicle will lose 10-15% of the charges. That means 10-15% of $$$$ flying out of your wallet which you didn't use but had to pay.
@michaelwalker1964. My car is 38 years old, C4, 350 TPI - original engine and transmission. Snowy and cold in Mo. But, no issues with starting and running errands . I GET AVERAGE OF 25 to 27 mpg on most road trips.locally about 22. I've owned and driven for 23 years. No EV will ever take up my garage space( maybe a bicycle.)😅
Left the car at home, drove the old 89 ranger out in minus 3° and ice yesterday, ( newer all terrain tires) heater ran a little cool but the windows didn't get foggy other than that we made our trip just fine a few counties away and back.
@@ryanallen5663 Imagine electricians in large EV repair trucks and the power lines go down during an storm. The electricians can't charge up their trucks because the power lines are down. The power lines can't be fixed because the electricians can't charge up their trucks because the power lines are down. Doom loop.
That is not battery problem. EVs in Norway are doing fine in general (last stream from 1000km challenge from Bjorn Nyland - only ICE cars were kaput on road sides). This is problem of infrastructure for charging.
@@MrVolodus It doesn't get that cold in Norway. In Canada -40 -50 C is quite common. The batteries are susceptible to cold anywhere its cold. Unless Norway 🇳🇴 has some new crazy battery tech. I watch a lot of bushcrafters and even electric chain saws don't do so.well in the cold.
EVERYTHING you do in any EV loses its range. Extra passenger (weight), radio, heat, A/C, light. That's why they're built like egg shell, to save weight (thus extending range). One lil accident, it's TOTALLED though.
We’ve owned our Tesla for 7 years. Once you get used to energy management in the winter, it’s no big deal. People who can’t manage a Tesla battery are just not very bright. Sorry.
@@crabbcake Still need to change gearbox oil, coolant, brake fluid, etc. Yes, you don't have to change the engine oil, but regular maintenance is still necessary. And you can still get swindled by dishonest garage.
You know they plug in your home like a dryer? You don’t have to use these chargers at all. More than likely a run on resources and power outages caused it
@@SWOOP_SWOOP yeah, and how much does it cost to put a charging port in your house? and like she says CA has rolling blackouts to safe electricity...and that goes for northern areas. what if there's a power outage? do you own an EV? are you speaking from experience or just yapping?
@@atg1338 Tell that to people who do experience power outages a lot. Also, your logic is flawed, since the more people that start using EVs, the more drain on the power grid, which will result in more power outages. Just remember we told you so when you are later stuck and not able to go anywhere in your EV.
We just added a Tesla power station at the resort I work at. I don't understand these people. They have to sit at their charging station for hours! I'll go by several times throughout the evening and see the same exact vehicle just sitting there. The look on the driver's face is the same in every vehicle. And that look convinces me to never buy a electric vehicle
I doubt what you write is accurate. Tesla charging stations can charge 200 miles in 15 mins. Even if the cold reduce the amount to 100 miles per 15 mins then it would still not be hours as you write.
@@hanshansen3885 keep telling yourself that, soon you will realize the flaw in buying an EV when there is no infrastructure to support all these mandated cars in the future.
LOL, it's all soy boys, some of those dudes buy evs to get laid, same as any other car through out mans history. I am serious, soy boys get soy girls with the tesla.
@@hanshansen3885 It does charge so quickly. BUT if people dont preheat their battery in such weather, it takes longer to charge (even hours). It is not problem of the technology, it is user using it wrongly. Same with ICE cars. When you forget your lights on overnight, I dont think you will start in the morning. Again not problem with the technology, but problem with user.
My electric bikes greatly helped me paying off what I owed on my house and they are doing fine indoors. Very cold weather for about a weeks time but it's all over where I live. I have been riding ebikes since the year 2012.
Nope, going to learn the hard and VERY costly way how useless, unnecessary, impractical and dangerous they are-sort of describes democrats. My grown son is an electrician and he can’t believe people think these will catch on. What they DO catch is on fire. Tried this over a century ago and it didn’t work then.
@@m9078jk3Doesn’t matter what they vehicle. Lithium ion (rechargeable batteries) are unstable, unreliable and impractical. I’ve bet you’ve replaced the batteries many times at a high cost but won’t admit it.
Telling people to keep their houses cold in winter and hot in the summer so the grid isn't overwhelmed all the while telling people to buy electric cars. Makes total sense.
All that makes perfect sense if you have Solar energy on your house - and you don't have to worry about the grid. When the heat is blasting, our cels put out way more juice than we use, which goes right back to the grid. So on high use days, we are helping instead of draining the grid.
I can’t feel sorry for them. They knew that this would happen the word was spread that electric cars are not good for cold weather operation. Hence why fossil fuel has been the mainstay for transportation
Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.
Don't hit a pothole, batteries are expensive. The possibility of catching on fire has been proven to be higher, and harder to extinguish. Worse for the environment, because of the mining, not to mention child labor in the Congo. Whole premise is a sham.
Two important things in this segment: 1: The guy has another car. Those Audis aren't cheap. My neighbor has one. He also has multiple other cars. 2. Forcing commercial drivers to go electric is a major mistake. They can't afford to be sitting on the side of the road, either to juice up, or to wait for help.
Setback, SETBACK. It’s more than a setback it’s a disaster. On the one hand you’re told not to charge over 80%. Then in cold weather you’re told not to let the charge drop below 30% So that’s a 50% drop in range before you take into account the loss in battery performance due to the cold, and you haven’t even turned the heater on. EV’s are a nightmare.
This is not true, and you misinterpret the data. Cold, hot, or merely warm, EV manufacturers recommend not charging to 100% (unless you have the lfp battery) because keeping ANY lithium-ion cell at 100% charge damages it -- just because the poor little electrons have no space to relax, as it were. They also suggest recharging when the cells get to 30% or thereabouts, just because a 30%-80% charge range maximizes the battery efficiency and reduces stress, thus improving battery pack longevity. It isn't a conspiracy, it's just the way things are. You certainly can charge to 100% with lithium-ion cells, and discharge below 30% -- and people do exactly this -- but it isn't considered best practice to do so regularly.
Yeah well this guy is rich enough that he has another guy so he isn’t fazed. That should tell you everything you need to know about these EV owners. So yeah, this is just a “setback” for people like him.
When you say ‘reliable’ gasoline vehicle - you are aware that they are more likely to break down right… and this is basically about weather conditions that impact 0.001% of everyday car users?
EVs were around before I.C.E. vehicles, and still have the same problems today, as they did back then. batteries, n charging, along with others. the cons far outweigh the pros.
Lithium batteries like in these electric vehicles can not be charged if the battery is colder then 0C, they have to be heated up before they can be charged (or else the battery gets ruined).
@hammerfist8763 stop trying to make ev cars okay how can the battery heat the car when it won't start cause of the cold? Your statement was stupid try again dummy!
@@hammerfist8763 Did you watch the video? Because, what you said is not happening. The battery isn't charging because it's too cold. So clearly, some effort by the driver needs to be done. Actually, effort from the mechanic is more likely.
Your battery maturity in the first year will drop a certain percentage. The second year, it will drop lower again. Some EV car manufacturer specs say up to 80% loss after the first year. So, no , you are not alone in experiencing this phenomenon.
We’ve owned our Tesla for 7 years. Once you get used to energy management in the winter, it’s no big deal. People who can’t manage a Tesla battery are just not very bright. Sorry.
But Pepperidge Farms ain't just going to keep it to pepperidge farms sell free of charge. Maybe you go out and but buy yourself some of these distinctive milano cookies maybe this whole thing just disappear.
Well, duh. I'm sure people didn't see this coming. Who'd a thunk batteries struggle in cold weather? The "transition" to "renewable energy" is about control. People won't be able to go far, and unreliable energy will cost more and be less reliable. Poorer, less mobile people are easier to control. If you are completely reliant on electricity, you may find yourself without power when you upset those who control it.
Yeah, I read up on battery technology years ago, long before the first EV ever rolled off the line. I know that very, very little has improved in the time since.@TUNNELRATS-ss6ny
They are the future, it's just right now they are in a very infant stage, it will take at least 10 years to get up to par. One that is getting there not sure if it will hit the market is the Emily gt. I won't get one for a long time till all issues are resolved.
@anafrinil6310-- Yes, you can't beat these Panther Platform cars for their comfort and reliability. It's sad that Ford discontinued the Crown Victoria, Mercury discontinued the Grand Marquis, and Lincoln discontinued the Town Car after the 2011 model year.
I don’t want to be forced into purchasing an EV. Edit: California is requiring that all NEW cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles. Source: California Government website
@@donaldstinnett5630 What are you talking about? They ARE forcing everyone to get EVs, according to agenda 2030 combustion engine cars will be completely banned by then.
@@donaldstinnett5630 CA and MI are banning small engines for lawn mowers and other lawn care equipment. Forcing people into electric. They have been using taxpayer money to help subsidizes this endeavor. Your statement "nobody is forcing you to get one anyway" should include YET.
@@donaldstinnett5630 California disagrees with you. Edit: California is requiring that all NEW cars sold in 2035 and beyond are zero-emission vehicles. Source: California Government website
I had a nightmare the other night that my husband traded in my old car for a brand new Tesla without my permission. I woke up relieved it wasn’t real and I’ve never been more thankful to have my 2003 CRV lol. It may be old but at least its a dependable car and won’t stop working just because it got a little too cold outside 😂
It’s great that Kevin can have an expensive, luxury EV that he only uses in fair weather. However many don’t have that luxury and actually rely on the one car that they have for everything. Secondly, getting stranded in below zero temps in a car that won’t run the heater sounds unsafe. I’m waiting for them to find a frozen dead body in one of these EVs.
They probably already have, but the MSM will never report it. I saw a video last week where an EV caught fire and the occupants had to break the windows to get out because the doors would not open and the windows would not roll down.
Correct. Industry and political leaders are leading everyone down a cycle of dependency on public transportation instead of an ecological primrose path.
Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.
Imagine driving your EV to the Long Term Parking at the airport and returning from a week or two abroad to find your battery completely out of juice in the dead of winter? Push it to the nearest charger and wait for the temperature to warm enough to even start charging it? Is there any rational reason to even manufacture these boner vehicles? They bring nothing to the table. Acceleration is about it. Probably a good commuter car to drive 10 or 12 miles to the train station and back home again and hope there are no rolling brownouts so you can charge it up again.
Imagine electricians in large EV repair trucks and the power lines go down during an storm. The electricians can't charge up their trucks because the power lines are down. The power lines can't be fixed because the electricians can't charge up their trucks because the power lines are down. Doom loop for the entire region that mandates EV's.
Imagine being in not the best of neighborhoods, drug deals going down, prostitutes, shady characters loitering around staring at you, Saturday night, ten-o-clock at night, it's pouring down rain, and you have to sit there in that neighborhood with your expensive Tesla waiting half an hour for your car to charge just enough to get out of that neighborhood. Yea, not to many people waiting in line for that deal.
It gets around 40F here in Southern California during the nights, maybe 30F depending where you’re at, and recently, during winter, there’s been a lot of EVs dying and leaving their owners stranded. You’ll notice this as you drive. This EV BS is comedy. It’s got me dying laughing. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not as comic as all the anti-EV propaganda. I drove my Model S in North Dakota every day, even when it got -30 and it didn't die. I do agree EV's are not for everyone. I'm an X'er and handle it fine. I've noticed a great number of my generation and Boomers are incapable of keeping their cell phones charged. If you can't do something that simple, it logically follows you can't do something equally simple (keeping the EV charged).
I personally don't have an EV yet, but I know someone in WI that drives in -20F with no issues. Sure the range is shorter, but how often are you driving 200 miles in -20F, I'm not.
The more i see about EVs, the more i am realizing they are a great second vehicle to run about town for rich people who can afford that. But for the rest of us who only have room / finances for one vehicle, usually purchased second hand, we will be sticking with regular cars.
I have a 2005 Ford Explorer Sports Track. Runs fine in all seasons ! 150,000 miles on it and have never had a breakdown ! Still has all the original parts !!!
Monday it was -6 with -25 windchills in my area of MI. I had my phone in the inside pocket of my Carhartt while filing bird feeders and the charge dropped off a cliff. BUT my ICE F-150 started up no problem!😁
My Son played club soccer. One particular game a front came through. I was attempting to film. Shortest filmed game ever. Kept putting the camera under my arm in my coat. Film die, Film die. LOL.
Researchers at the Department of Energy’s SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory have identified an overlooked aspect of the problem: Storing lithium-ion batteries at below-freezing temperatures can crack some parts of the battery and separate them from surrounding materials, reducing their electric storage capacity.
Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.
These electric vehicles don't get their heat from the engine the way an internal combustion engine does. So I can imagine when you try to turn the heat on the energy goes straight down. We know how much electric heaters use in electricity
So if you crack open a physics handbook and do a little math, you will determine that the amount of energy to run the heater is tiny compared to the amount used to propel a 4000 pound vehicle.
@@hammerfist8763Little bit of physics tell us to push 4,000 lbs on wheels you would just have to multiply the Coeffection of rolling friction of the wheels and bearings, which is in-between 0.010f-0.015f by the weight of the vehicle. So it would only take about 40lbf-60lbf to move a 4,000 vehicle.
@@hammerfist8763The percentage of battery for heater used for an hour compared to used driving 60mph is about 9.4% for a Telsa Model 3. The heater uses 1.36kWh. While it consume while driving 4.17mi/kwh. With a max capacity of 60kWh for the standard edition.
This kind of frustrating experience is something I had some 50 years ago when I was only 10: My battery driven toy car went out of battery power very frequently. That was very frustrating!
Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.
When Hertz car rental said EV's don't make business sense and are getting rid of their EV fleet, says it all, politicians always push solutions that don't work, shame on them.
Let me guess you've seen like 2 news stories so now every single EV catches fire 😂 I know someone who's house burned down from a power tool battery charger. Are you going to stop using rechargeable batteries?
Just think what it will do to a person's insurance that doesn't own an EV but lives next door to someone who has an EV in their garage. An EV fire burns at about 4000 degrees Fahrenheit and they are very hard to put out.
@@eugeniaskelley5194 you don't have to live next door to one. You don't even have to live in the same state as one. Insurance, if you think about it, is a socialist system. You pay into the kitty, "by law," to both pay for other people's mistakes, further keep the insurance companies rich no matter what happens. In California, Hispanics have closed numerous hospitals down, and many insurance companies don't even do business there anymore; due primarily to the degradation hispanic culture has brought to our own. Who do you think funds housing projects? Not banks. Insurance companies do. They have the liquidity; not banks. So yea; whatever effects this socialist systems of checks and balances is going to have a negative effect on you. Think about that the next time someone speaks to you about the environment or the immigration of non compatible cultures.
I just returned on a trip from SC to Delaware. I filled up once on the return trip and still had over 120 miles range when I pulled into my garage. 2.0L Ecoboost Lincoln AWD, driving 75-85mph the whole way. Theres no way an EV would have done that.
That's funny, I forgot about this...I drove past a charging station near me that seldom had cars charging in the summer, this week almost every spot was filled.
Complete nonsense. EV's are more reliable on any scale. Far less likely to catch on fire than ICE or hybrid, no mechanical issues, and far less maintenance. My Model S was my daily driver for 3 years in North Dakota and my Hummer H3 sat sad and lonely in my garage the entire time.
@@hammerfist8763No one is going to listen to you when we have constant reports of people dying, going to hospital from the toxic chemicals released from EV battery fires or the buses that keep burning to the ground. This is not comparable to an ICE. These fires are 10x more deadly hotter and toxic. And when your car does catch fire you cant fix it.Its finished. You want to drive one and have no issues great but its a novelty. Nothing more. EV is going nowhere. People are not buying them and this year you will see the biggest EV crash ever. There is nothing practical about going EV. Nothing at all.
@mixemup. As long as your charger is in a heated garage... and your power is not out at home, which often happens during cold snaps.. and as long as you don't need to go further than half your vehicle's total range... (BTW, 80-90% of EV owners DO charge at home, also, but like to be able to go as far as liquid hydrocarbon fueled vehicles do, like the man they interviewed, taking his vacation.
No one is forcing you to buy one. Your just falling in line like they tell you too. If they told you that you had to walk off a cliff, Would you do it?? Some would.
Flew into DC. My destination was rural E MD. Rental car co only had 2 electric cars left. Cold night but not record temps. Car range went from 320 mi (predicted) to about 175 mi actual. Small MD town had one charger...broken. Nothing else nearby according to the app. I'm stuck. Rental car company tells me I'll have to pay $600 for a tow back to the airport. Spent two hours on the phone over 2 days until a supervisor reluctantly agreed to let me turn in the car at a nearby rental outlet. My argument: you chose to adopt this immature technology. Not me. I had no choice at your rental counter... electric or nothing. So you should bear the cost & inconvenience of broken & unavailable chargers. Be careful out there.
even diesel don't have this much trouble in the cold. EV's are for the 1% that have their own heated 5 car garage with their own charging stations and where they work they have a special parking space in a heated garage. Not only is climate change a hoax, but if you want to really go after the big polluters look at the maritime transport where just 3 of their big ships making a 1-way trip from Africa or Asia produce more pollution than every ICE vehicle in north America does in an entire year combined. The pollution from these ships makes the Cummins emissions scandal insignificant, just look into bunker fuel and how dirty and toxic it is and 99% of those 70K+ ships burn it
Most aircraft aren't much better. Any of the light aircraft that use air cooled engines, basically use a third of the fuel consumed as coolant and lubricant. The unburnt fuel carries the heat out with the exhaust. And then there are jet turbine engines, anyone that has had to sit in line waiting to take off can attest to the disgusting haze of unburnt jet fuel that saturates the ground from these goliaths as they idle waiting to take off.
My 2004 Saturn Vue runs great also. Also easy and cheap to fix. Plus no body rust being plastic. Gets me around in -11 degree temps. I believe the car should work for you not the other way around.🤑
Exaclty. Fox wants to find anything hey can to try and divide Americans against one another. Conservatives only win elections in divided countries stoked in chaos.
Taxpayers should not be on the hook to pay for charging stations....let the vehicle manufacturers pay for them, much like oil companies construct their own gasoline filling stations or franchise them out. Or charge EV owners an excise tax at time of purchase to pay for the charging stations. Keep the taxpayer out of it.
Man makes me miss the days of 600 dollar Tercels. My first car was a rusty Tercel that I got for 600. On a Real cold day , -30 , that car started and ran.
Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.
Anybody who lives in a cold climate and who's used battery powered devices KNEW this would happen. Meanwhile I'm driving warm and safe in my ICE F-150 (with heated seats too!)- even when we had power outages during last week's snowstorm!
Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.
California has mandated them because of their crazy governor Gavin Newscum. 😢😢 Then last summer during a heat wave, he tells people not to charge their EV's because of possible power outages.
Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.
I live in Rochester ny, back in 2006 I was driving to Buffalo and when I was halfway there it turned into a white out crazy snowstorm. There was a huge accident a bunch of cars piled up people were stuck on the thruway for a something like 36 hours we’re talking miles and miles of cars and it’s not the first time that’s happened. Now just imagine if even half them cars were electric it would be an absolute disaster.
last year my 2020 toyota rav fired up instantly at minus forty two celcius without the block heater plugged in, took an hour for the steering to warm up but it did run, lol
One thing I’ve seen in the past, that is sort of being brought up, is, criminals are figuring out these charging stations, they are targeting ones, in abandoned sites at night, you get a desperate person pulling in to get their vehicle charged and they are vulnerable for a very long time now. Buyers be warned. Your physical safety is also at risk just trying to charge them.
Never thought of that! Good point! We have a Tesla Super station adjacent to my grocery store, I pass it almost every day. I see apprx. 20 Tesla charging while the owners sit there passing time on phones and laptops. This could be a creeps goldmine!
Should not come as a surprise! It was clear from the start, to anyone who did proper due diligence, that in cold and on the highway, you’re looking at half the range, at best.
Yikes!! I saw some guy on youtube that has I think a Nissan EV and when he priced a battery replacement he was told that a new battery would cost about 12,000.
Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.
Varangerbotn, some 400 kilometers inside the Arctic Circle, is the most faraway location Tesla has turned on the power anywhere on the European continent. The two nearest Supercharger stations are Puoltikasvaara (Sweden), 623 km to the south, and Sørkjosen (Norway) 562 km to the west.
Why weren't these people educated on the current technology of batteries before buying an EV? It's been known from day one that batteries don't like cold. Not informing buyers borders on deceptive business practices. I'm waiting for a lawsuit to be filed against an EV car company for just that. Just wait, it's coming.
It's not the first time it happened in fact there's been many times when the charging station doesn't work but I'm so hell-bent on virtue signaling that I will make myself as uncomfortable as I have to to try to make myself look good in front of everybody.... This my friends is the very definition of the word douchebag.
I think I'll stick with my 4WD Tacoma. Rock solid reliability, you can run the heater, and quite fun to drive in the snow or rain. I would be happy to tow some of you EV guys into the charging station.
I feel similarly with my Sequoia during cold/snow. However i am super envious of non-Winter driving “mileage” vs my 2013 Sequoia (15-16 mpg freeway avg).
Worse than the fact that they lose charge quickly at cold temperatures, once a lithium ion battery gets down around the freezing point it's battery management system will prevent it from being charged in order to prevent the battery from being damaged. Charging a frozen lithium-ion battery will cause internal shorts which will result in the battery catching on fire.
Took a road trip in our Model Y from Chicago Burbs to MPLS this past Sunday when it was -10F. I think the real world range at this temperature was a range loss of about 50%. Battery went from 90% down to 45% to drive 76 miles. First time driving it in these low temperatures. Now I know. Normally (in more typical weather) driving and charging is a non issue.
We’ve owned our Tesla for 7 years. Once you get used to energy management in the winter, it’s no big deal. People who can’t manage a Tesla battery are just not very bright. Sorry.
So if you want to charge your EV faster just pull up next to one that has caught fire. Maybe someone can make an app that directs you to the nearest EV fire.
This is easily avoidable. Telsa needs to develop heating systems to keep the onboard battery at temperature and then a heater to keep the charging station warm. The technology is there Elon just needs to deal with it.
It has been well below -40F for the past week all over the province of Alberta, now here in Ontario we will see the temperature go to about -30F tonight. We must rid CANADA of insane Liberalism.
Watching this while sitting in my cozy high mileage Lexus hybrid. Literally melting in my heated leather seats. Glad I didn't make the switch. Because this is exactly what I was afraid of. ❄️ 🥶
