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Quick Tip 12 - Fixing Frustrating Box Issue
The combination between a loose stud mounted box and an oversized cut around a mud ring creates this issue. Unfortunately, simply using caterpillars won’t fix the issue, so this is what I came up with. I know, it’s a bit hacky…but it works! As long as you cut your bolt short enough, once you get your cover plate on, you won’t have any issues with the bolt pushing through the other side of the wall. Let me know what you think and if you know of any better solutions!
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@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
As long as you trim your bolt short enough to only push your box forward enough so that you can get your cover plate on, your cover plate should keep your box from pushing back further when things are being plugged in. The main idea for this trick is just to get your box forward enough to get your cover plate on. ⚡️
@icevariable9600
@icevariable9600 Год назад
I was thinking the same thing, that the length of the bolt depends on the depth of space behind the box.
@dennismccolley1380
@dennismccolley1380 Год назад
Just do it right in the first place. And yes there are more ways of doing it than have been mentioned here. The plastic face plates are not that strong they'll break before too long if you use the outlet often
@tommyt414
@tommyt414 11 месяцев назад
The major problem with this hack is in time, you'll end up with a sunken box again and a screw sticking out the wall on the other side.
@morganhamm6753
@morganhamm6753 11 месяцев назад
True for a good quality Lutron plate, but the 50 cent plates everyone gets from like ace hardware will crack at the screw and fail every time. This is a good trick for rental properties where you’re trying to keep the cost down and not buy a $50 box of outlet covers.
@Nothingsrealwhyumad
@Nothingsrealwhyumad 11 месяцев назад
​@@dennismccolley1380itd be good for going behind dummies 10 years later when the plug fails.
@LoganNumber7
@LoganNumber7 Год назад
Good way to poke a hole through the back of the wall you're "anchoring" off of. 😂
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
As long as you trim your bolt short enough to only push your box forward enough so that you can get your cover plate on, your cover plate should keep your box from pushing back further when things are being plugged in. The main idea for this trick is just to get your box forward enough to get your cover plate on.
@nourdraw1548
@nourdraw1548 Год назад
In Germany they say, this will last from 12 to noon!😂
@JoeNathan42420
@JoeNathan42420 Год назад
​@@MadElectrician also if you don't have enough room to safely drill a hole in the back of the box then you can bet your sweet bippy it's not pushing back. Awesome tip. I've been doing something very similar for years
@matthewmartin9215
@matthewmartin9215 Год назад
Worst Hack job ever. If you trim your bolt short what’s the point. First time the receptacle is used it’s still going to push through or crack the drywall on any adjacent wall.
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
@@matthewmartin9215 the point is to get the cover plate on, but if the box is too far back, a screw won’t go in. And a long screw won’t work because it will stop before getting flush with the cover plate. Trim your screw enough to push the box forward so you can get your cover plate on. Once the cover plate is on, it will pull the box further forward and when something is plugged in, it will prevent it from being pushed back/ making a hole. Never once had a hole poke through (granted I’ve done this only a couple of times in rare situations). Obviously the best thing would be to have whoever installed the box install it correctly the first place, or to open the wall and support the box better.
@Loredo_1
@Loredo_1 Месяц назад
And that screw is showing in the other room 😂😂😂
@nicholaskingsolver2417
@nicholaskingsolver2417 7 месяцев назад
This channel: keeping electricians and handymen in business since 2005. Thanks! 👍
@jeanious2009
@jeanious2009 Год назад
Neighbor on opposite side of wall wondering why he has a 1/4-20 screw poking out his wall!😂😂😂
@lawoull.6581
@lawoull.6581 7 месяцев назад
good sheet rockah can make adjustments. 😂
@imdeplorable2241
@imdeplorable2241 3 месяца назад
The neighbor is like, "WTF?" Then, hammers it back in.😂😂😂
@mightymight365
@mightymight365 2 месяца назад
@@imdeplorable2241Sounds like my neighbor who hammers in his screws. 😂
@ryukobestwaifu3319
@ryukobestwaifu3319 Месяц назад
That's when you go over and charge them to fix that too
@mikemacdonald2032
@mikemacdonald2032 Месяц назад
If anyone has a screw 4" long then maybe....looks like a 2.5 " so you're good
@patrickbroadhead1982
@patrickbroadhead1982 Год назад
Next tip video "how to fix a hole caused by a bolt pushing through from the inside"
@zyankali2357
@zyankali2357 11 месяцев назад
Only by paper Walls
@808JuJu
@808JuJu 11 месяцев назад
Dry wallers problem
@patrickbroadhead1982
@patrickbroadhead1982 11 месяцев назад
@808JuJu if you're doing this hack, it would be assumed that you are doing diy fixes. Therefore, you are probably the one doing the drywall also. Not many people are doing work on electrical terminals and then saying "nope not going to mess with that drywall"
@BelaPeralta-bp6lu
@BelaPeralta-bp6lu 9 месяцев назад
Drywaller problem,… now move this damn broom outta my way
@ElectricalCurrent-bz7ou
@ElectricalCurrent-bz7ou 8 месяцев назад
Maybe live in a country with proper walls
@B81Mack
@B81Mack Год назад
... and the protruding screw on the opposite side of the wall in the adjoining room is great for hanging a framed picture.
@williamkeeler3342
@williamkeeler3342 3 месяца назад
Hahaha! Why would I want a picture, 8 inches off the ground?
@bullboss7698
@bullboss7698 3 месяца назад
Not only that, it gives someone in the other room a place to hang their hat. Nice.
@ricardovalentin2410
@ricardovalentin2410 Месяц назад
😂😂😂
@farkmuckerzerg634
@farkmuckerzerg634 8 месяцев назад
Or, you could use an f clamp made for cut in boxes and avoid ruining the on the backside of that box
@bushgnome
@bushgnome 3 месяца назад
How do you do that? Concidering that is a 4 square/1900 box with a mud ring? Not to mention, the yokes on those devices don't look like they make contact with the rock. There is nothing on the front to hold it to the rock. How does a battle ship work in this situation? honest question
@ajfrederick9142
@ajfrederick9142 2 месяца назад
@@bushgnome yes I would like to know as well
@ElMachoNacho193
@ElMachoNacho193 11 месяцев назад
Nice. My box is now rock solid. Thanks
@mdnite2941
@mdnite2941 7 месяцев назад
As long as it’s a solid back wall the screw is not going to poke a hole through.
@Z-Ack
@Z-Ack 11 месяцев назад
If the outlets high enough on the wall you can use the end of the screw on the other side to hang a picture or something.
@charlesbakes2855
@charlesbakes2855 9 месяцев назад
Lol great idea I think I'll do that on all my outlet boxes
@MarioHernandez-hb8eh
@MarioHernandez-hb8eh Год назад
Good job, can also use a battle ship. But I like your idea
@For891
@For891 Год назад
Like a wedge?
@user-rt5ep4ux2g
@user-rt5ep4ux2g 10 месяцев назад
Just use a stainless steel cover plate. The tenant is just gonna have to live with it
@JDM_Electric-SanDiego
@JDM_Electric-SanDiego 7 месяцев назад
He does
@redecks336
@redecks336 9 месяцев назад
The Milwaukee 4-1 is a such a bad ass little gun. Got my first one to help with installing kitchen cabs. Got a second one recently.
@brianhilligoss
@brianhilligoss 28 дней назад
I love a rock solid box with no play in it.
@seanbishop9273
@seanbishop9273 Год назад
Also, somebody went cheap and didn’t buy the h23 bracklets
@supervillain3213
@supervillain3213 6 дней назад
Exactly. Screwing a box straight to a light gauge metal stud will always end up like this. Judging by the drywall, this is someone adding an outlet, so why not just use a cut in box?
@ryanyork837
@ryanyork837 7 месяцев назад
Never suspected a doctor's office or hospital would have loose Junction boxes like that.
@bushgnome
@bushgnome 3 месяца назад
I live next to a shell station and the owner knows what I do for a living. Asked me if I could fix an outlet in the store that was sunk into the wall. Turns out whoever cut in the metal old work box (the ones with the wings or clamps) for the MC cut the hole with his fist lol. Just had a couple sheet rock screws holding the bottom in. Got it all fixed up for him but I was just like, seriously? That person just walked away from it like yeah that's fine.
@imgeorge81n
@imgeorge81n Год назад
Excellent! Remember to change the customer's name in your phone to sucker because he got bamboozled. 😂😂😂
@fimbles1015
@fimbles1015 11 месяцев назад
love your drill extension bar :)
@-agent-47-80
@-agent-47-80 8 месяцев назад
"A little bit hacky"? 🤣🤣🤣
@mowglig9382
@mowglig9382 4 месяца назад
That’s clever. Trimming the bolt seems like a hit or miss. Would have to try it a couple times.
@andycopeland7051
@andycopeland7051 11 месяцев назад
That's a pretty good idea man
@The.Truth13
@The.Truth13 11 месяцев назад
This comment was funny to me idk why 😂
@LTV_inc
@LTV_inc 7 месяцев назад
..and you can use the bolt on the other side as a ground for appliances.. 😊
@alb8158
@alb8158 9 месяцев назад
RACO and CADDY have box supports. Its a little clip you put on the box before the mud ring. All boxes are supposed to be supported and secured when installed. Going around to every box after the rock to fix the problem you created does seem a bit hacky, you're not wrong 😂
@joshsmith7033
@joshsmith7033 2 месяца назад
"now when you go to plug something in" if you haven't already you're going to blow a hole through the wall behind it....LMAO!! I've watched this like six times and I can't stop laughing.....
@Erostheelectrician
@Erostheelectrician Год назад
That’s why you should use a box holder on those
@armandobroncas357
@armandobroncas357 Год назад
I will try this when we cross that bridge
@user-tg5yf6tk2t
@user-tg5yf6tk2t Месяц назад
You can use an F-clip to secure it too. They're designed for holding a 4" box flush to the wall. They're sold in sets of two attached to each other. You break them apart and they look somewhat like a capital F. They're usually used to hold in a metal new work box, but you can use them on any box to fix a wobble. You can use it with a mud-ring too, just wrap it around the mud-ring and tuck it up to the side the same as if you were using them in the other type of box. Bonus: They're UL listed items, so code inspectors cannot ding you for using something in an inappropriate or unlisted manner. And as a footnote, when installing F-clips, use needle-nose pliers to crimp them flat, then pinch the front face with your diagonal pliers once or twice to pull the clip just a smidge more by crimping that smidge in front. It pulls the box forward just a little more for a rock solid receptacle.
@thewanderingheathen
@thewanderingheathen 17 дней назад
The F clip won’t stop the box from being pushed in. They’re designed to be used with a box that has a flange on the top and bottom.
@danjason2167
@danjason2167 6 месяцев назад
This is the first tip i have seen in a long time i will actually try to use, if i remeber
@alanjordan9772
@alanjordan9772 9 месяцев назад
Rock solid box, you make the rockin world go round!
@andrewjones1171
@andrewjones1171 2 месяца назад
Good idea 💡 I like it
@jasonstclair6293
@jasonstclair6293 День назад
I would just put the cover on and call it a day since the cover is going to keep it held in place.
@PumpkinShooter
@PumpkinShooter 9 месяцев назад
From the other room, Hey where'd that screw come from? 😂
@Hitman.13.
@Hitman.13. Год назад
Bro you re amazing, and share life saving tricks, you re appreciated more than you know! Pls do not mind the negative comments as you know how are electricians online, some of the most critical and negative online personas EVER! their first instinct is to bring people down.
@pointedspider
@pointedspider Год назад
Or....or....now hear me out. Or...u could put some screws on the left side where the 2x4 is and remount the box.
@pg13ish93
@pg13ish93 Год назад
Sometimes there isn't a 2x4 next to it. This is for old work boxes
@101perspective
@101perspective Год назад
@@pg13ish93 If there is no 2x4 on the left side then what is holding the box in there at all? Asking, not telling... just confused as to how it is secured in there.
@ihavenoidea9543
@ihavenoidea9543 9 месяцев назад
​@101perspective look up "old work single gang box" for quick results. These enclosures are for finished walls and meet NEC unless your local code does not allow.
@101perspective
@101perspective 9 месяцев назад
@@ihavenoidea9543 Thanks for the info.
@CheapFlashyLoris
@CheapFlashyLoris 7 месяцев назад
Did we watch the same video? This is not an old work box, it's completely behind the drywall and you can see it tilt relative to the stud when he pushes on it.
@nicrfe
@nicrfe Год назад
Far side supports come in much better configurations.
@ChildofGod144
@ChildofGod144 8 месяцев назад
Unless it's that outlet by your bed that you always jam your charger into when you can't see it well 😂
@Misfit.Profit
@Misfit.Profit 5 месяцев назад
Baby after watching this I'm rock solid
@mikeflynn2940
@mikeflynn2940 6 дней назад
They make little things that pop into the back called box support brackets nvent caddy they work pretty well
@anthonyesparsen9453
@anthonyesparsen9453 2 месяца назад
Oh dang very nice
@alika1628
@alika1628 Год назад
Thank you bro!
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
My pleasure! ⚡️
@j.d.1488
@j.d.1488 3 месяца назад
I remember they made a clip that snaps on side of box when you have this issue. Various depths. It sits under raise. This is pretty good hack as well. 👍
@ericmoe63
@ericmoe63 11 месяцев назад
There's many ways to fix that. Little spray foam, a better box stand-off, pull the box out since "your apprentice" cut the hole with a blindfold on.
@AxiomRazor
@AxiomRazor Год назад
One, you need an old workbox for this. Two, pretty sure that's a code violation. Another option, open the wall up a bit more and put a nailer in.
@bernsfindsandmore7636
@bernsfindsandmore7636 Год назад
agree... old workbox. I did this when I bough home with loose boxes.
@alexdavis9711
@alexdavis9711 11 месяцев назад
As a carpenter, nailer it would be. Lol
@user-mb5yn2ns9d
@user-mb5yn2ns9d 3 месяца назад
Spray foam is better, it comes in fireproof versions as well.
@williameisenberg1999
@williameisenberg1999 11 месяцев назад
Stainless steel plates also work well .
@LVL1Yo-YoGuy
@LVL1Yo-YoGuy 8 месяцев назад
I saw that😂😅 if he did a video just using the stainless steel cover he be genius like Albert Frankenstein ✌️
@808JuJu
@808JuJu 11 месяцев назад
Drywall apprentice lol
@ericfransen1309
@ericfransen1309 Год назад
Spray some expansion foam behind the box. Use a long 6-32 through the face plate to pull the box flush and secure with the other face plate screw. Then remove the 'handle' screw and use a normal length faceplate screw.
@TomCee53
@TomCee53 Год назад
Screws up to 1-1/4 (30mm) wont hurt anything. The receptacles are designed with extra room.
@Gonzzzaaa1
@Gonzzzaaa1 6 месяцев назад
Amazing trick ❤
@hilariohernandez340
@hilariohernandez340 Год назад
Screw a 4s blank on the side of the box through those two factory holes. 2x4 framing is 3.5 inches long and drywall is minimum 1/2 so it won't stick out
@bobblum5973
@bobblum5973 6 месяцев назад
As someone who lives in a home built with 2x3 studs and 3/8-inch drywall, I've found there are often times when even standard "tricks" don't work very well.
@johnm911
@johnm911 3 месяца назад
Now I have a bolt sticking out of my stairway wall! I hang my coat on it.
@daviddzyubenko5860
@daviddzyubenko5860 Год назад
Love this trick bro
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
Came up with it with the best foreman I ever had 🥺
@jerrypatterson55
@jerrypatterson55 8 месяцев назад
and you drill though they drywall on the back real nice
@ddaniels2901dd
@ddaniels2901dd 9 месяцев назад
Do that on the next job because you're fired from this one...😭😂🤣
@Wizard__J
@Wizard__J 11 месяцев назад
Tip 3 - cut off the excess bolt sticking out the other side of the sheet rock, and patch the hole left from the bolt lol
@JoeNathan42420
@JoeNathan42420 Год назад
Wooow I thought I was gonna take this one to the grave with me 😂
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
You’ve done this too? 😂
@JoeNathan42420
@JoeNathan42420 Год назад
@@MadElectrician something very similar. I usually just go to stud and pop a screw in an if that doesn't tighten it up enough I'll go to the back just like you did. Use a long enough bolt to put enough pressure on the box to keep everything tight.
@aaavellone
@aaavellone Год назад
I haven't seen that one before.
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
I’ve never actually seen anybody else do it before. It’s something that I came up with but I’m sure that other people have thought of it too ⚡️
@xx_knobitv_xx5378
@xx_knobitv_xx5378 Год назад
If they would be installed right they wouldn't even wobble 🤷‍♂️
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
Very true. That’s the unfortunate nature of being a sustaining electrician and having to fix problems that other people created.
@xx_knobitv_xx5378
@xx_knobitv_xx5378 Год назад
@@MadElectrician yeah, I think the biggest problems for the most people that install such things is that these dry walls are not real walls. If you install one in a thick wall (im from Germany and our walls are 20-45cm thick and full stone with sometimes dry wall over it for easier design stuff) it doesnt wobble bc its fixed to the stone and we use this kind of inserts , so you drill a round hole and then you have a plastic piece to isolate it sich fits exactly into the hole and is secured with 4screws, and in that you screw your (in/outlet) here the outlet and inlet are most times connected together.
@Mind_of_a_Very_Strange_Man
@Mind_of_a_Very_Strange_Man Год назад
But it's always so hard to find a stud in the wall to drill into. 🤣🤣🤣
@bikeswithmike9415
@bikeswithmike9415 3 месяца назад
They make nice little tabs that slip in but in a pinch especially with lath and plaster it would work great
@LilMuffinTop
@LilMuffinTop 16 дней назад
Dude thats a great idea
@shaneleonard7218
@shaneleonard7218 Год назад
I've been a commercial electrician for about 20 years and I'm just learning this now. 😆 awesome
@jjaa578
@jjaa578 Год назад
There's a reason none of the competent old guys taught you this. This guy will be explaining to his boss why the company had to pay for drywall repair behind the outlet.
@anthonyquattrochi189
@anthonyquattrochi189 Год назад
Good think but bad idea, over time that will out a hole in the wall behind it, I have seen it happen. If you use correct product, Caddy RLC, combined with stainless steel plate, the device will never move from plugging and unplugging.
@salg500
@salg500 9 месяцев назад
Madison hanger has entered the chat 😅
@cliffordwagner
@cliffordwagner Год назад
Once the plate is on, it shouldn't go back in the wall at all unless the hole is bigger than the plate
@JJM935
@JJM935 2 месяца назад
There are supports that you're supposed to put on that box before you put your ring on buddy.😂😅
@ralphbuschman3364
@ralphbuschman3364 Месяц назад
They make a sleeve type part that the device, a receptacle or switch, fit into sleeve. Take the longer screws included with the part and the oversized ears or tabs tighten, and now device is flush with wall and the wrapping sleeve makes near impossible to have anything drop into the wall between box and drywall.
@mikepellegrino514
@mikepellegrino514 3 месяца назад
The screw will poke through the back wall. I think if you use a metal cover plate, you can tighten it down harder to hold the box from pushing back, and maybe the screw wont damage the other side of the wall.
@thepitpatrol
@thepitpatrol Год назад
Jacky. That's brilliant q
@nummnutz7046
@nummnutz7046 8 дней назад
Good god every damn electrician on the globe came to grace the peons beneath them with godly wisdom thank you all so much
@PigSticker-wm2tq
@PigSticker-wm2tq День назад
You're welcome little guy
@johnbalzano6588
@johnbalzano6588 Год назад
There is a device for this. It requires the electrician to to think about it during rough-in. It basically does what this screw is doing except it spreads out the force so it won't poke through. It's a box bracket made by Caddy.
@garydail290
@garydail290 Год назад
Sshhhhhh! just play along with this insanity. 🤣😂
@kraftzion
@kraftzion Год назад
The front plate does that job.
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
This trick is actually only to get the box pushed forward enough to get your screws for the cover plate into the receptacle. Once on, you’re correct, the cover plate will do that job.
@mylesm7947
@mylesm7947 4 месяца назад
So what happens when it punches through the drywall behind it
@j.g8957
@j.g8957 2 месяца назад
Don't do that if its a drywall on the opposite side, just add another pan head screw on the solid side and plate it, it should be solid and most electrician knows this
@KyleBobandy
@KyleBobandy 3 месяца назад
Fill sides with expansion foam, will be much more solid
@adriancardona4211
@adriancardona4211 9 месяцев назад
You earned my sub just by seeing the 7-in-1 lol
@MontanaNature
@MontanaNature Год назад
Og trick imma steal that one
@michaelmiller4384
@michaelmiller4384 7 месяцев назад
Nice tip!
@mrindependent1
@mrindependent1 Год назад
Nice fix
@gavinnewscum
@gavinnewscum 8 месяцев назад
The rough in electrician was bush league for not securing the box in the first place
@russellwarpecha8069
@russellwarpecha8069 Год назад
The first way how to fix this is to hire “actual” electricians that support their boxes adequately
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
No kidding. Gotta love service/ sustaining work. Never know what you’re going to find ⚡️
@jjaa578
@jjaa578 Год назад
those 4sq bracket boxes almost always bend like that. A support bar that spans to the next stud can be added. A different type of box should have been used. Ether way a screw through the back is the wrong way to "fix it" an F strap should have been used instead.
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Год назад
Especially weak on steel studs.
@JohnDoe-oj8bd
@JohnDoe-oj8bd 6 месяцев назад
Those tabs on the top and bottom of the recep are supposed to sit on the sheetrock. The guys doing sheetrock cut the hole too big. Because it's metal framed, there is a lot of slop in the bracket box. Would have been fine if the sheetrockers didn't cut a 4in by 4in hole. But the screw thing is is dumb. They make caterpillars for this exact problem.
@JuanRivera-be5bw
@JuanRivera-be5bw 4 месяца назад
Perfect my friend 👍
@julioavila2797
@julioavila2797 4 месяца назад
Mounting brackets work wonders
@robertjohnson7342
@robertjohnson7342 7 месяцев назад
Dam I've Been Doing That For Around 50yrs!!!
@JDM_Electric-SanDiego
@JDM_Electric-SanDiego 7 месяцев назад
Good video man, I see a lot of people hating on this But first you qualified it by saying it's a little bit hack-ish, and second, there are tons of products that rely on the opposite side drywall as a means of box support
@darwinfussle5031
@darwinfussle5031 3 месяца назад
Also can put a couple of silver Sheetrock screws into the side of the mud ring in front of the 1900 box. Near the corner away from the wires
@inZaneSolutions
@inZaneSolutions 5 месяцев назад
It’s not totally flush but tools you use amazing :)
@johnherlan6875
@johnherlan6875 3 месяца назад
Thank goodness someone actually used the word hack in its proper sense.
@randallbyrd6664
@randallbyrd6664 Год назад
And as a bonus you have a key holder on the opposite side of the wall... Mount your box better
@philantemalone9675
@philantemalone9675 7 месяцев назад
Good idea I had a better one tho but it only works on single gang I took a self tapper and sent it thru the drywall to the face of plaster ring and make sure it's embedded in the dry wall a little then cover with faceplate
@travishamilton1659
@travishamilton1659 Год назад
I've never seen that man. I got to give it to you pretty cool
@BeardGang09
@BeardGang09 5 месяцев назад
Good tip 👍
@markzupsic6453
@markzupsic6453 11 месяцев назад
That's f****** great I can't think of how many times I ran into that problem
@patrickgatons
@patrickgatons 7 месяцев назад
Yes, yes, yes. Freaking simple and brilliant
@katieblade7083
@katieblade7083 3 месяца назад
Om thinking maybe put some tape over the screw now that it protrudes toward the contacts.
@LadydogC
@LadydogC 5 месяцев назад
Oh, thanks, i needed to know this..
@johngirgenti1611
@johngirgenti1611 Год назад
👍
@MadElectrician
@MadElectrician Год назад
⚡️⚡️⚡️
@Junitago
@Junitago 3 месяца назад
As a fellow mexican I approve
@leehest1564
@leehest1564 3 месяца назад
Maybe glue a piece of plywood where the screw hits to prevent breakthrough
@AndyLishious
@AndyLishious 9 месяцев назад
What a ninja 🦍
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