Electronic Musicians are Talentless. 

When you said "Heavy Bass is just noise" I thought to myself, isnt all music just noise?

I came here to say a massive juicy "ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT" but it turns out you actually appreciate electronic music

my theory: 50%-70% of people who disliked didn't watch the video .....

“Electronic Music is Talentless.” me: *lets them hear the minecraft ost.* everyone else: 😢😢😭😣

Take a shot every time someone doesn't watch the whole video

_sees title_ *_triggered_* _watches video_ *_oh ok_*

The truth is, people who say this type of music requires zero talent connot produce music.

I think the common misconception is that electronic musicians aren't "real" musicians, however this couldn't be further from the truth . I'm a classically trained jazz/blues guitar player and I can also read music . Not to toot my own horn but i can also play the tenor sax (a little jazz joke for you hehe) . Guess what!!!!! when I'm in the recording studio i only have to worry about my part in the song...my piece ...my single slice of the whole . I write my part and hope I have band mates reliable enough to pull they're own weight . When your ears listen an " edm " track who do you think wrote those beautiful chords ? who do you think wrote that drum track ? . who do you think wrote that beautiful lead ? who do you think plays the role of the recording engineer ? who do you think did the sound design for all instruments ? . If Beethoven were alive today he would be an electronic musician . One pro electronic track usually contains about 100 channels per project ....thats 100 elements that one person has to write and mix seamlessly together to make art . sound familiar ? yes it should! , it resembles a composer who writes every single line of music in a symphony . people need to educate themselves . the computer does not make the music . it simply records the music they are generating through it's instruments . musical scores for movies are mostly also written and made with computers now too . its more cost effective than having to record a whole orchestra , but again you need a composer to write the music . the computer wont do it for you .. knowledge is key . Never diminish ones accomplishments without ever fully knowing what it takes to get there .

i get this same crap for graphic design and digital art "you're not really doing anything though are you the computer is doing it for you" yes, in much the same way leonardo da vinci did not paint the mona lisa, his paint brushes did

People didn't seem to watch the whole video

Why do peiople judge musicians when they don't play an instriment

Bjork once said, "if electronica has no soul, its because no one put it there", and you can rest assure Mr. Real Instrument wasn't going to try, especially since he does not have to ability to do so. But what do I know? Back to my keyboard and laptop then.

As an illustrator, I hear the same argument made about digital art. It's not about the tools that you use, it's about the compositions and ideas you create with them. Guitars, laptops, drums, pianos.. they're all just tools to bring your ideas to fruition.

So long story short, we electronic musicians are cats

The reason that EDM draws people in is because the melodies are often more complex than those of modern pop The statement that they don’t have talent would also be applicable to the people who write those pop songs The whole ‘physical talent’ eg singing or playing an instrument would be redundant without music to play, so the writing is the most important part and does require talent.

I make electronic music on my channel and this kid at school is always telling me that “oh, electronic music isn’t real music” or “oh, I bet that music doesn’t take any time or effort”. In some cases, that’s true, if you only use pre-recorded loops from the internet or something, but when you’re actually writing the chords and melodies and the beats and all, it takes a LOOOONNG time. I first started just using loops and all, which took no effort, but when I resorted to writing actual stuff, most of my songs took up to 3 WEEKS TO MAKE. I listened to so many tracks better than mine and just kept thinking that it was impossible to get that good. I tried and tried and I got better, but it’s still very difficult to get that good at electronic music. It requires lots of learning and talent.

I actually threw a ball for a cat and it fetched, so yeah.

That track at 0:37 was pure fire 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯 Release the extended version pls...

2012: *nope* 2013:*nah fam* 2014:*nope, not yet* 2015:*nah B* 2016:*wait for it* 2017:*almost there* 2018:*ONE MORE YEAR* 2019: Recommended Section: *recommendeds a video from 7 years ago*

I'm actually a rock,metal fan, also can play a guitar, but I DO like electronic songs tho. Both are great in their own ways

*angry comment posted before watching video*

Why can't people just like music

"these people are not talentless. they have different types of talent that I don't enjoy as much." so happy this got in my reccommendation. miss you dave!

just started composing electronic music last year. it's so technical. I've played bass guitar for 16 years and I'm more impressed at people who can compose electronic music. just my opinion.

Computer=Machine, Tool, Source of Music and Artistic ExpressionElectric Guitar= Machine, Tool, Source of Music and Artistic Expression

I'm a metalhead, I have a friend who creates music with launchpads. Well, I tried and... It's hard.

It's just pushing buttons.... hurr Dee hurr... well.... So is playing the piano. At the end of the day you have to know the instrument to be able to understand what goes together. At the very basics know piano because a whole combination of keys is what gives the best sounds, not just two or 3 keys used at most. Then you layer sounds like having two melodies, one being the main and one quietly in the background to add depth. Drums, adding them in a way that it doesn't just sound like they're taken from a different song and added on. Everything has to flow together and sit well with each other to give a full sound.

Finally someone who understands the level of complexity involved with electronic music production. Thank you for existing 🙏

weirdest tennis commercial ever

The 5 k dislikes probably didn't even watch the first ten seconds 😂

He : Edm music does't have soul. Le Illenium : Hold My Guitar

Owl City (Adam Young) mostly makes electronic music. It's really good.

"Normal" musicians play instruments. EDM producers have to make their instruments.

producers should be compared to composers, not performers

Thing as that I hate that people think about electronic music..... 1) all electronic music is called dubstep 2) electronic music is made with one of those dumb apps you can get from the play store 3) making electronic music is easy

You don't know the real talentless creators... NIGHTCORE CREATORS

I used to think dubstep would be easier than rock until I transitioned into trying to make it myself. For one thing, sound design is incredibly difficult, especially when the line between amazing original synth and ear-bleeding noise is razor thin. There's a great deal of science as well as trial and error involved that nobody thinks about. You think, "oh, he just opens up the 'crazy wubwubwub' instrument and writes some notes," but if you're legit you tend to design those sounds yourself with painstaking detail and effort.

"Has no soul or heart" ... To anyone who thinks this about EDM, or any genre of music/umbrella term, you are wrong, oh very wrong. If you don't like EDM, fair enough, but to say it contains zero soul, heart or emotion is incorrect.

One of the comments at the beginning of the video said: “take away computer whadda they got? NOTHIN!” That’s like saying: “screw these piano players, take away piano and whadda they got? NOTHIN!”

👍🏻This Really gets to me Since Many Peoples Told me That Electronic Music aren't Really a music, While I started to make a Electronic music. This speech Gives me more Encourages and Hopes for my Way!

Yeah, the majority of the people never even took a look at Fl Studio.....but they say it requires no talent.... sure, if you show them an appropriate EDM studio and tell them to make a nice beat in 10 minutes, since "anyone can do it in 10 minutes" they won't even know what buttons to touch

I had to check to see if my speed was x1.5.

00:36 I've always wondered if we'll get the full version one day

11K people disliked without watching the video lol

How many downvotes you think were from people not even watching the video?

I was expecting shit when I clicked on this video. I got counterbaited.

hahaha that skrillex reference at 02:26 was priceless! awesome video

So acoustic guitar players are full of talent, but if they do the same thing on an electric guitar, they become talentless???

Hey look it's DeadCat5 in the background

You sound like one of my dads friends I don't know who would come and talk to me while my dads away for 5 minutes

I loved the Skrillex reference, "nobody knows how to play the guitar"

I’m scrolling through the thousands of comments that are misinterpreting this entire video, just to give people a quick summary that haven’t watched the video properly and disliked just from looking at the title. He’s arguing against the people that claim electronic musicians have no talent and that it actually requires a lot of effort to produce soundtracks such as EDM, Dubstep and other categories. ONCE AGAIN. He is not insulting the musicians, he is just making a statement that there are so many electronic musicians that are quite good and use hours of hard work to produce the song. The title is very misleading 😂😂

If creativity is supposedly limitless why would anyone assume that the tools we use to express that creativity should be limited? I do not understand why there is any argument about this at all.

I don’t have the budget to own all the instruments, such as guitars, keyboards, drums, etc., to make music with actual instruments. Therefore, I use electronic instruments to make music, which still needs the talents of understanding music.

I saw the title and I came here to rant. But I applaud you! It's really hard to make something that sounds decent.

“hi” That was so “hi” pitched! 😉

This dude is a troll. Clicked on the video to dislike it. Watched the video. Liked it

Go on Fl studio for 10 minutes and come back and tell me EDM producers are talentless

2:25 Nice Skrillex Reference

As an electronic musician I really agreed with many points you made in this video

The title makes you hate the video But the content makes you love the video.......... BRILIANT!!!!!!!

If you push the logic of those who claim that "anybody with a computer could slap music together in ten minutes" a step or two further, I add that by the same logic it could be said that anyone with a computer and some game design software should also be able to slap together a AAA game title, or give them some animation software and they can churn out a cinematic quality movie. Like you said, apples to orange comparisons just fall apart or fail to work, they are built on a foundation of faulty logic that makes the whole argument fall apart. Just because computers are involved in the process does not mean these things lack skill, it's just a different facet of skill involved and it deserves just as much respect. I had a friend once that made music on the computer and to this day I still look at some of their work and find wonder in the creation because I know the time and effort that went into it.

This applies to all genres of music, and sometimes porn.

Playing piano is pressing buttons, Playing guitar is pulling and pressing strings, Playing drums is just hitting things with sticks, Playing flute is just breathing, Playing trumpet is breathing and pressing buttons, Playing saxophone is also just pressing buttons and breathing, Playing trombone is breathing and sliding brass, Playing clarinet is breathing and pressing buttons, Playing bass is pulling and pressing strings while being EPIC, Producing is pressing buttons on technology.

I think a lot of the argument against electronic musicians is the fact that a lot of artists don't recreate the music step by step on stage. They press play on their laptop in front of a crowd. What a lot of people fail to realize/think about is the amount of time and effort that goes into writing and creating those pieces. I can play guitar, I can play drums, piano, and I sing. I can write parts for any instrument in a typical 4/5 piece outfit... But if you put a computer in front of me with programs like FL Studio on it and ask me to compose an EDM track, I'm dumbfounded. Different strokes for different folks, and a completely different (and equally difficult) skillset.

The title is really misleading. I genuinely thought you agreed with the title but it was a video to attack those dumb statement. Once again dave, pleasently suprised

People who say electronic music requires no talent can't make anything themselves argument. I like. Cat argument. Like revoked.

4:01 I know that this video is old but still this did not quite work out....

Davesteins theory of relativity is gonna be a breakthrough in the scientific world...

I'm a classical musician (I play the piano and sing opera), but I somehow missed the memo that classical musicians are supposed to look down on other musicians as being talentless hacks who don't know "real music". While I prefer playing classical, I like listening to a lot of different styles, including electronic. And even those I don't like, I still recognize them as "real music". Because how in the world could something be "fake music"? There is no wrong was to express something in the musical form.

Music is just wiggly air. Musicians are magicians of the wiggle.

Exactly. As someone who knows music production, Production requires extreme creativity.

Electronic music is like the human body. Simple on the outside, and extremely complex on the inside. Ive been making music for years. EDM is the most rewarding genre of music to make that I've come across so far (especially when you find those sounds and chords and patterns and mixes that collectively sit just right together!!!!) Though machines can produce the harsh synths and riffs for you at the click of a button, being able to understand when you have a particular melody or a drum pattern staring at you right in your face that has the potential to give people the chills is a talent all on it's own. I still haven't grasped what this genre is all about after all my years as it's always developing, but one thing for sure is that I respect the hell out of Electronic Musicians worldwide. Great video! :)

Can I buy 0:36 on itunes

Saying computer generated music has no soul is saying that both the undertale, and celeste soundtracks don't invoke emotions.

Video: cat won’t catch ball My cat: *catches ball*

*laughs in classical*

As someone who has played instruments throughout their life (mainly guitar and piano, and can play a few others such as drums), honestly, the amount of knowledge and skill it takes to create a professional edm track is insane. I've been working a decent amount on trying to produce electronic music for almost 6 months now, and honestly, if you think any form of EDM takes no skill, you really don't know what you're talking about. FYI, if you don't listen to any EDM, EVERY SONG YOU LISTEN TO HAS BEEN PROFESSIONALLY MIXED AND MASTERED. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO A RAW RECORDING OF SOMEONE SINGING AND PLAYING INSTRUMENTS. Professional mixers/masterers do a good amount to a recorded *insert any genre such as rock, screamo, metal, etc.* track. All of the vocalists have been autotuned to some degree, and all instruments are also edited a good bit to sound better and blend better in the mix. Literally, no song made nowadays hasn't been edited in some form.

I mean sure for a lot of live performance I understand why they think that, but when they start saying shit like "anyone can make that" or "those beats require no talent" that is when I get pissed off

0:37 Sick jam actually, are you guys releasing the full track?

There is only good or bad music/musician. Genre doesn't matter.

Personally I don't care if you have talent or nah,if I like how it sounds that's it! Good enough

3:43 I don’t, I expect new and exciting things where you can tell who it is by, for example, daft punk, you can always tell if it is daft punk or not because daft punk did new and exciting things that does not always sound like the same person made it

electronic music is limitless... you can also add real instruments to it... vocals... everything... you can create cinematic music ... its just limitless

I don't have any real reason for not liking electronic music, I just don't particularly enjoy it, but I have to agree with the points you made

2:25 glitch in the matrix

I think a good argument he could have mentioned is that, depending on the genre, alot of EDM Musicians literally create their own sound from scratch, with tousands of little knob tweaks on a synthesizer. Compare that to your Piano where you have your fixed and very limited number of Keys and a few pedals that you have to learn using. Designing your own sound is literally like fine tuning one of your piano keys for hours just for it to sound a very, veeery specific way. One.single. key.

0:01 Keep clicking on it and tell. Me what you hear

Electronic music has ALOT of talent and can take a really long time.

Who cares, I only care if the musician makes GOOD music not HOW he made it

Thanks to electronic music though, you can make an entire orchestral score while just being one person, since these days, people can’t devote their time to showing up somewhere to run a musical session except five-man bands, where the case is that they are most likely neighbors. To get hundreds of people involved is to most likely impede on the time that they need for something important, or for them to impede on their own time against their own important needs. In fact, as someone with a youtube channel that is entirely a one-man effort, I see a lot of talent in people who can essentially “play multiple instruments at once” with electronic music, and that isn’t me being narcissistic, there is nobody who knows more about you than yourself, so it is more efficient to think about the same thing rather than attempt to imprint a desired pattern into what may likely be a stubborn mind.

I’m on both sides. I listen to rock bands that DON’T use technologic instruments. For example: (mostly) Queen, Slipknot, System Of A Down, The Pixies, etc. I also listen to bands or solo musicians that DO use technologic instruments. For example: Robert Delong, Eric Prydz, Glass Animals, Sub Urban, Gorillaz, etc. So, in my eyes, both sides can be right, & wrong.

TENNIS ISN'T A REAL SPORT, ANYBODY COULD BECOME A PRO TENNIS PLAYER IN 10 MINUTES!

People say electronic music has no soul... If you know anyone like this, get them to listen to a Tristam song NOW.

i saw this and was mad at it then i watched it... three years later

I think that ur videos about different types of music and why they are good in their own way are phenomenal. Good work this is exactly what many need to hear.

How many people disliked the video without watching a second of it just because they saw the title? Sigh...

I just hate people who think that all EDM is 'noise' and 'wubz' with no emotion or soul. There are plenty of very talented music producers who produce amazing dance music with emotion like Porter Robinson, Illenium, Audien, Zedd, Project 46 etc

this guy is amazing. he can change people's minds without getting angry and going on a rant

"Has no soul or heart" Listen to Stobe by deadmau5