I’m pretty sure Ellen or one of her writers made it up. Since she’s so good at come backs. And like with the algebra. They on purpose made the write, so she could “give the answer”
Lol I agree. However, on another note, I thought Ellen could've simply ignored the teacher. I mean, she's Ellen, no need to mention or prove anything. She's great.
If the host was a man, the audience were mostly men, and the model was a girl, I believe that after the show the host had to apologize for being sexist, and the show was forever closed
+Polka Roo I agree with you, first thing I thought was, if this was a female it wouldn't be okay, but, i bet you don't comment on the unacceptable nature of female objectification. And until you do, you're just as much a hypocrite.
Not surprising. Ellen always gives Ellen underwear and other freebies to her guests and audience. Sometimes, she makes them wear the merch for the show.
***** You must not watch a lot of TV. Half Naked women are on all the time. People shouldn't have to wear burquas so they don't offend insecure people.
***** Why are you looking for an identical situation and why does having a live audience suddenly make taking your shirt off unacceptable? I mean come on, have you seen Game of Thrones? Female nudity is a lot more common. This guy was in Magic Mike, so I can assure you that he wasn't uncomfortable doing this. I don't know why you're personally offended by this... is it possibly because you're "chubby" and unattractive?
***** "I can see why you wouldn't be offended by this, because you are probably some pretty boy yourself who is gay as fuck !!" Lol at least you realized how dumb that comment was and deleted it.
*+Julinhaaaa2 * I read this on here and it may be of help - This isn’t about one person being a jerk to another. This isn’t about one woman making “misandrist” jokes on Twitter. This isn’t about that one time you saw a black cop pull over a white guy for seemingly no reason. This is about a cultural value that is systematic in that it exists within the very fabric of our society and is practiced (albeit often subconsciously) in the very institutions we’ve been taught to trust ( it's even embedded in our language ) This is about an belief that is so deeply embedded in our minds that we act on it without thinking. It is woven throughout social institutions, as well as embedded within individual consciousness. How many women are leaders in your country? Where I live there is 1 women for every 100 men in parliament and in any form of governance. When people in power are stereotyped or discriminated against - awful as that is - it isn’t the result of subjugation.Those negative attitudes toward privileged people aren’t pervasive, restrictive, or hierarchal. That is, they aren’t losing out on anything just because someone’s words, actions, or beliefs were hurtful - or even harmful. And that’s a significant difference. Oppression cannot exist without a force of power behind it. And this is exactly why the idea that a dominant group being subjugated is so laughable - because what force is driving it?
Why is it that a female can do this on TV but if a man were to do this it would be deemed as sexist and be forced to make a public apology for objectifying women?
Because this is satire. But even if this wasn't satire, western culture has been objectifying women's bodies for a very long time now, and now that we're just *starting* to objectify men's bodies (and doing so still in a very respectful way, whereas when women's bodies are objectified it's also done in the context of scenes like rape, degradation, violence, abuse, showing them as weak and being dominated), there is already a problem with it! There is nothing wrong with respectful representation of a man's physical body, and there is nothing wrong with the respectful representation of a woman's physical body. Both women's and men's bodies are beautiful and can be respectfully admired. Key word in those sentences: respectful. Not degrading, subordinating, or violent, which is usually the case with female sexual representation in pop-culture. Also, objectified women are everywhere (and often in violent contexts but I already ranted about that) because they evoke a sense of domination for straight men. There is more to this, but I think this will suffice for a youtube comment. So I feel that your comparison about men being objectified is unfounded. There is no comparison, it's not even on the same level nor does it carry the same consequences. Hope that helps answer your question :)
windstennotsukai Your arguments are logical, but I think they still do you a disservice. For an instance of objectification to be truly unproblematic, there has to be no harm to the person being objectified and no harm to the people that the audience will interact with. In this case, the man seemed very comfortable so I would guess he was not harmed in any way. Moreover, I highly doubt that any women in Ellen's audience would treat the men in their lives any differently as a result of viewing this short and silly skit. Therefore, I would agree with you that this objectification was "not even on the same level" as some of the more egregious portrayals of women as sex objects. However, if you want men to have the same rights that you are demanding for women, you're going to need to find some instance of a man being objectified that you find objectionable and condemn it. Feminists have a long history of dismissing male suffering, and if you really want equality, you're going to have to consciously work to change that. The reality is that every single problem facing men can be reasoned away as to why it is less important or doesn't matter. Of course, the same thing is true of every problem facing women. If it sounds to the public like you're saying that certain things are really bad when they happen to women, but no big deal when they happen to men, it will sound quite hypocritical.
Women and men are not treated the same in society because they are not considered the same. Feminism is fighting for equality, but not sameness. It is still supporting individuality and gender diversity in every way, at least for most new gen feminists. The problem of objectification in the media is an issue that hurts women more than men. Yes, male suffering is real, but not in the same sense as female suffering (and possibly not to the same extent, as everything masculine is usually seen as strong, powerful, and good = patriarchy. But therein lies the problems it creates for men!). For example, in the media men are portrayed as hyper-masculinized, and seen as powerful and dominating, almost ALL the time. It's dangerous to constantly set those stoic hyper-masculine standards for men all the time as well! Media is entertainment, but it also sets unreasonable standards for everyone. Women are objectified in the media for their bodies, and are treated as body-part props. Men? Not as much. But they are usually the villains in a plot, and also the heroes and saviours. The latter can be hard to live up to if little boys or self-identifying boys are growing up seeing such definition of what it means to be a man. Of course! But that is an entire issue on its own. So I agree with you, and my comment was not to disclude all the issues that men face because of media representation (though I still gotta say, at least men are not seen as weak and dismissed just because of their gender!). But they face it differently. Objectifying the male body is hardly one of those issues. Basically, everyone should analyse things critically, and question the status quo, and our children should not be afraid to be their own, unique individuals.
I have an assignment in school to label the parts of the body as well. Except I doubt I can remember that, so can I just borrow him for a week or something?
Why is this not the same as having naked women t.v? For those of you who are socially deficient, I'll explain: 1) He came out fully clothed, was addressed as a person with a name (not just a piece of meat) and then asked to take off his clothes. 2)If a woman did the same in a similar situation where she was treated with respect and was willingly there and happily accepting the compliments like this guy here, it's FINE TOO and not SEXIST against women. Unfortunately that is not often the case with women in media, which is why so many people get pissed. 3) There are women who hate men and will make unfair excuses that belittle men and overly victimize women in situations where it doesn't apply. They are in the wrong. You doing the opposite as a response to those women does not make you any better and both groups look excessively whiny and stupid and the rest of us hate you.
@@morganma1504 Wasn't a joke. Why would a man care about girls swooning over his nice body? Girls want something to be offended by, so they feel like they are fighting for something as if they are suffragettes, when in reality a guy simply tells her she is looking good today.
I agree completely with the second part. Just your first comment had an overall blanket statement and connoted misogyny is why I chose to comment. Now that you elaborate it makes a lot more sense and is relatable.
Natalie Martin lol, that must be a coincident right? I mean I thought that Ellen would say something like, "Oh by the way he is wearing underwear with my name on it" by no, I guess she didn't realize that xd
+maddy Taylor "This isn’t about one person being being sexist or a jerk to another. This isn’t about one woman making “misandrist” jokes on Twitter. This is about a cultural value that is systematic in that it exists within the very fabric of our society and is practiced (albeit often subconsciously) in the very institutions we’ve been taught to trust ( it's even embedded in our language ) This is about a belief that is so deeply embedded in our minds that we act on it without thinking. It is woven throughout social institutions, as well as embedded within individual consciousness. How many women are leaders in your country? Where I live there is 1 women for every 100 men in parliament and in any form of governance. When people in power are stereotyped or discriminated against - awful as that is - it isn’t the result of subjugation.Those negative attitudes toward privileged people aren’t pervasive, restrictive, or hierarchal. That is, they aren’t losing out on anything just because someone’s words, actions, or beliefs were hurtful - or even harmful. And that’s a significant difference. Oppression cannot exist without a force of power behind it. And this is exactly why the idea that a dominant group being subjugated is so laughable - because what force is driving it?
+Sarah Hopkins And do you think that we men are just simply out to oppress women? So here we go again with the fallacy of the systematic oppression on women in workplaces. If women wants to be in parliament, good for them! If men wants to do a creative profession, good for them! As long as we're taking on careers that are all for the betterment of our communities, then there shouldn't be any complaining. But my beef with you feminists is that you're doing absolutely nothing that garners any positive result for communities.
4:03 imagine if the roles were reversed... a crowd with 90% male populous in their 30s or above hootin and hollerin at a females body. It would be a feminists worst nightmare.
There was a show called the man's show with a couple women bouncing on trampolines for commercial breaks. they were called Juggies, wore skirts, and brought beer to the guys. I used to watch it, and thought nothing wrong of it. Chippendale clubs have been around for years so have regular strip clubs. women have openly been pining over Patrick Swayze etc... I'm all for women's rights ,but give men a little leeway too.
Is there a reason guys can't comment on the double standards here WITHOUT being blatantly misogynistic and crass? I'm a gay guy and don't appreciate male objectification, by the way. I'm sure many straight women don't, either.
There you have it , feminist , straights , gays , and hypocrites all are against this. I guess people just can't be mature with seeing someone show some skin now a days. If he was fat bet you u guys wouldn't be arguing about the same thing.
There is no reason for the double standard. Either both men and women should be able to be objectified like that, or neither should. I wouldn't listen to feminist hypocrisy.
If Ellen was a man and Nick was a woman, this would be considered highly offensive and Ellen would be attacked by the internet. But since Ellen is female and Nick is male, it's "perfectly fine". How are we supposed to move forward in gender equality when we are treating men the way that we'd be so outraged to see woman treated. Feminism means that men and woman are respected and treated equally. But WOMEN ARENT ALWAYS RESPECTING MEN! If we want to be treated fairly, we need to treat men fairly. I'm not saying Ellen should be attacked for this, I'm just saying we shouldn't do it.
I don't think it has anything to do with Ellen's sex, I really don't. I don't think this was 'gender inequality' either. I don't see what you see. Care to enlighten me? (This isn't meant to be attack or anything, I honestly want to see from your perspective, I really do.
I don't know, just think about it: if you saw a show where the male host was doing a bit and he brought a beautiful blonde girl with nice boobs and a flat stomach and she took her shirt off, some people might get a little angry. I guess my whole point, which I didn't really get to, is that we shouldn't violate men like that either. I love Ellen, I really do, and this isn't an attack on her, more just an observation on society. Does that make sense?
It's ok for Ellen to parade topless men around for 3 reasons. 1) Men's breasts/pecs are less sexualized than women's, which is why men can go shirtless to the beach,etc. 2)Ellen is a lesbian. This is important, b/c if it were a straight woman parading a topless guy around, or straight man showcasing a topless girl, it would be weird b/c you know the host would be ogling the topless person and be attracted to them. B/c the audience knows Ellen isn't having any dirty thoughts about the guy, it remains ok. 3) Men won't complain. If a male host objectified a female in such a way, female audience members would complain, however in this situation men wouldn't really complain b/c most men wouldn't care, or if they did wouldn't say anything about it b/c they don't want to admit to watching daytime talk shows.
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+iNezumi That's because historically women have been objectified and in may ways they still are to this day. To show women being objectified is not unusual nor is it humorous. To show the reverse of this is done to amuse people.
Sarah Hopkins I feel as much uncomfortable when woman objectifies me or another man as woman would if another woman was objectified. It's hypocrisy to allow sexist behavior towards men when you are getting offended by exactly same treatment towards women.
It’s a common argument that those of us - all of us - who work in social justice movements face: the straw man of reverse oppression. Even within the in-crowd of people who are quote-unquote “socially conscious,” this argument pops up now and again. “It’s a common argument that those of us - all of us - who work in social justice movements face: the straw man of reverse oppression. Even within the in-crowd of people who are quote-unquote “socially conscious,” this argument pops up now and again. “But isn’t telling men to ‘sit down and shut up’ also sexist?” they ponder. And we - seasoned veterans in the war against anti-oppression - know that the battle has already been lost. It’s hard to convince someone that they’ve misunderstood a concept when their very (albeit misguided) understanding of the world depends on the existence of the falsehood in question. However, it’s true that reverse oppression - like “reverse racism,” “female privilege,” and (so help me God) “cisphobia” - cannot possibly exist. Because the very nature of oppression does not permit it. Sexism is a form of oppression. If you think of it in the form of a hierarchy, you’ll see that yes, all people can experience stereotyping (assumptions that all people in one group are similar), prejudice (dislike toward a group based on those stereotypes), and discrimination (refusing access to resources based on that prejudice). However, only oppressed people experience all of that and institutionalized violence and systematic erasure. You can stereotype men. And you can be prejudiced against men. And you can also discriminate against men. And none of that is okay! But it is not oppression. Oppression - because it is institutionalized and systematic - is another level entirely. Allow me to explain - by going back to piece that I wrote on thin privilege and a resource that I use therein. “Oppression,” I write in that piece, “is a special kind of problem.” And there are four reasons why. 1. It Is Pervasive It is woven throughout social institutions, as well as embedded within individual consciousness. This isn’t about one person being a jerk to another. This isn’t about one woman making “misandrist” jokes on Twitter. This isn’t about that one time you saw a black cop pull over a white guy for seemingly no reason. This is about a cultural value that is systematic in that it exists within the very fabric of our society and is practiced (albeit often subconsciously) in the very institutions we’ve been taught to trust ( it's even embedded in our language ) This is about an belief that is so deeply embedded in our minds that we act on it without thinking. This is about a force that surrounds us and influences our relationships to ourselves and others. For example, watch what happens if you make a “sexist” joke about men. How many men will run to defend that #NotAllMen do that thing? But if you make a sexist joke about women, how many of those men are running to women’s defence? Hell, how many women are running to women’s defence? And how many of the few women who do are then told that they “can’t take a joke?” People are more willing to be complicit around sexist jokes because the cultural belief that women are something to laugh at is widespread. 2. It Is Restrictive That is, structural limits significantly shape a person’s life chances and sense of possibility in ways beyond the individual’s control. By virtue of not having access to these privileges, the lives of oppressed people are limited. Women, for example, are likely to be brought up to believe that their worth is tied directly to their beauty - that no matter how smart, successful, or accomplished they are, their lives are still restricted to their sex appeal. Want a really great example of the ways in which oppressed people’s lives are restricted? Take a look at the school-to-prison pipeline, just one of many terrible ways in which the prison industrial complex limits the lives of people of colour. Meanwhile, in most states, same-gender couples still can’t adopt children without going before a judge for approval - which is entirely out of their control. And in many cases, trans and gender non-conforming people can’t use a public bathroom safely, securely, and without question. Talk about restriction! I could go on, but you get it now, right? 3. It Is Hierarchical That is, oppression positions one group as “better” than another. Dominant or privileged groups benefit, often in unconscious ways, from the disempowerment of subordinated or targeted groups. As a thin person, for example, and therefore someone who isn’t oppressed by fatphobia, this can look as simple as not being passed over as a dating prospect. Have you ever perused the Craigs List personal ads section? I have. (I swear it was for a grad school assignment.) And I don’t remember ever once seeing a “NO THIN CHICKS” disclaimer. But “No BBW?” You’ll find that everywhere. That’s a way that I benefit from fat discrimination. You can also look at the ways in which colorism (or shadeism) affects communities of color if you want to see an oppressive hierarchy at play. Because of white supremacy and the lingering impacts of colonization, people with lighter skin are considered more attractive - which also allows them more access to other positive associations, like wealth and intelligence. In order for one group to be on top, there are many others who have to fall underneath. That is oppression. 4. The Dominant Group Has the Power to Define Reality That is, they determine the status quo: what is “normal,” “real,” or “correct.” Take my dictionary example from earlier: If white men are in charge of defining the confines of our common language, then they are in charge of that aspect of our reality. Another huge way that this works is in a lack of diverse media representations. If you are a disabled child growing up and watching television, and all you’re ever exposed to are able-bodied people as the norm, then what does that inform you about your own existence? Further, if men are in control of the media (and they are - over 95% of clout positions in media are held by men), then what does that do to stories about women? If narratives about women are being controlled by men, is what’s being told about women really accurate - or is “correct,” “normal,” “real” womanhood being defined (and confined)? One group having the opportunity to define the world is a lot of power. And power is the flipside to oppression. *** When people in power are stereotyped or discriminated against - awful as that is - it isn’t the result of subjugation.Those negative attitudes toward privileged people aren’t pervasive, restrictive, or hierarchal. That is, they aren’t losing out on anything just because someone’s words, actions, or beliefs were hurtful - or even harmful. And that’s a significant difference. Oppression cannot exist without a force of power behind it. And this is exactly why the idea that a dominant group being subjugated is so laughable - because what force is driving it? We have to talk about the ways in which people conceptualize their experiences. But when we attempt to do this by drawing false equivalences between experiences, we’re failing at understanding nuance, and that isn’t really helping anyone - not even the straw man.'
GoldenYuri then there should be equality with the understanding that we can objectify women who display their body for objectifying.. But so many people are condoning men just for the mere fact that they objectify a women
Ok but women get over-sexualized in hollywood/everywhere else all the damn time and no one says anything about it. Its disgusting but we cant complain or else we will be called a “feminazi” or something stupid like that.....might as well over-sexualize men too so we don’t feel so alone 🤷🏽♀️
