Ellen vs Zhu Yuan : Who Offers Better Investment Value in Zenless Zone Zero 

But then you can only play with one hand

Exactly my thought process lol

@@DefinitelyNotAFerret git gud

That decreased her value for me.

Facts

My thoughts exactly

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Reroll is hell not worth it. I just finished getting Ellen and lycaon and it took me 3 days. 16 account with 3 server each. Got it on Europe server.

Honestly I have 14 hours now, and reroll seems like super boring, I lost 50/50😢.

What a strong resolution, i almost buy cheap acc reroll for ellen lmao

Venti was a great first limited too

Miyabi could appear even faster than that, i mean in the CBT she was an A rank unit, so its probably comming in 1.1 or 1.2... At least if they dont change her to S rank

yeah venti was good even until the day I quit, imo saying first banner characters fall off ain't really accurate

@@Bao598 With that one cutscene, I think she's intended to be S rank. Harumasa and Yanagi are rumored to be S rank and they did not stand out as much

​@@ozumitsu well it's never the caharcter that falls off it's the enemy that got buffed. That usually can be solved with supports though.

Meanwhile in Honkai:

​@@RavenUwU605But these past 2 games, you can actually clear the content with just a 4 stars. Idk about ZZZ though

​​@@grumpy_1zzz all 4 stars are good as well

​@@TsukatsukiRio Aye Billy does god pp dmg can confirm

Genshin’s first limited banner literallly being an archon 😭

Same boat here. I just the most minimal pull to clear content and would save for her

Might have to reassess this. They kinda nerfed Zhu Yuan's weapon and it sort of changes things. Changed Ether damage to crit rate which I believe is a bad move since we have a lot of sources to get crit but limited sources to get Ether damage which is her primary damage source. It could be fine but we'll see.

She is

Shiyu defense floor 3

Unless you’re going to be dropping hundreds of dollars to get the guaranteed five star off the standard banner (300 pulls) There is no such thing as “planning” to get Lycoan.

@@SyntheticaYT ahhh gotcha sadly to this day i wasn’t able to play the game do to my phone not keeping up but thanks for the info

I was lucky enough to get lycaon and Ellen on ellens banner in like 50 pulls and her w-engine in 20 pulls

SAME

Genshin first banners didn't get powercreep tho, at least not Venti, only Klee, the we got Zhongli which is still the best at what he does

​@@itriyum fair enough. Venti took a while before getting powercrept but man is he really a good character even when I quit around inazuma and when kazuha came. But yeah. I might wait for Miyabi or if any 1.1 or 1.2 characters pique my interest :)

The way I SCREAMED how fast Kafka powercrept Jing Yuan

@@rjuwuxd3012 venti technically isnt even powercreeped in the traditional sense, he still is the absolute best grouper in the game, they just made abyss immune to his grouping/not necessary lol.

Me also skipping both early games are easy with A ranks and free s rank and we all no they will get power crept

seeing you have koleda, one good team with her is koleda+lucy+anton all of them will have the faction bonus, besides you get a good balance of stun (koleda), off field suport and sub dps (lucy) and main dps (anton), if you happen to have gotten lucy, you could try wishing 20-30 times on ellens banner, if you get ellen then good luck for you, and if you get anton you have a good team to play

S11 is good do monofire

wait miyabi is a 5*?? awesome, saving for her now.

Acheron powercreeps literally every character with her damage ceiling as she is the anniversary character. In the flip side, her team is expensive and not easy to build.

@@andrinaleong4079 what team is expensive? You only need like 1 event nihility character(SW/BS/new fox boy). 2 other slots are Pela and literally any preservation char with fire dot cone/gallagher. And originally in the first comment I was saying about damage element. Both Acheron and Jing Yuan do aoe electro damage. What I meant is not only damage, but the role.

​@@andrinaleong4079what expensive lol follow up are the expensive one not acheron team

Yeah but Aventurine is the best sustain rn for alot of teams, including Acheron team​@@naufalsyauqifillah6388

bro forgot about fu xuan ig

She is probably gonna release in later patches just like ayaka who was also in the beta for genshin but disappeared till inazuma.

​@@zawiyar8790i think its more like kafka/blade

I think 2.0 if she's a raiden equivalent of zzz.

@@supernieva2419she isn’t lmao

It'll be an all-ranged unit type of team. It's an okay setup, but having a melee unit for dodges is really helpful. Also Zhu Yuan needs stun and neither Nicole nor Grace do that. So... I'd probably put Grace and Zhu Yuan in different teams

Well, if you have Soldier and Koleda, you can add Ben to make a solid team and save your rolls for future

thats a pretty good team if you wanr to wait for miyabi

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Same!!!

then why are you in this video's comments lmao

@@moonscorn8141 yeah it's a bit weird how people do that. Why watch a video like this if you already know who you're pulling for, especially after claiming to not care about who offers more value, which is the entire point of the video 💀

Tbf low invest seele in pretty shit, i think mono quantum seele is probably bottom 3 dps, only better than blade and yj. But sustainless seele is still insane (especially with robin e1 and sparkle e2), but not many people play sustainless and most still think that vertical invest sucks which is why the majority of hsr players think that seele is bad now.

@@sarettodn5708 Mhmm. I don’t blame people for shelving seele and not choosing to invest dupes into her. Meta in HSR evolves fast and will always value building new archetypes (e.g., break, DoT) that cater to new gamemodes (PF & AS) over building older characters. Of course, that doesn’t mean they’re completely obsolete, but you will have a harder time clearing content.

@@SomaStory you wouldnt invest into seele dupes anyway as seele has the worst eidolons in the game, the actual way to vertical seele is to get e1 robin and e2 sparkle and then get robin and seele sig. Vertical invest is king in this game, once you have a bunch of eidolons and sigs you can bruteforce any moc/pf very easily, much more easily than using an on element dps. Vertical invest sucks in AS though (which is one of the reasons why the mode sucks), as that mode was literally made to shill horizontal invest, that is true. I dont blame people at all for prefering horizontal over vertical though, ultimately horizontal is more fun and will still get you max rewards, for the average player there is no reason to vertical invest.

​​​@@sarettodn5708Thing is if I want to whale out a char, Acheron and FF exist. Both are much better than Seele, in terms of dps and versatility. You essentially get 2 rainbow units, that deal with single target and AoE content easily.

@@sarettodn5708 Jing Yuan is significantly better than Seele in MOC.

The w-engine? If you plan to build an ice DPS then pull for it, you can use it for miyabi too since is an ice dps, and in the CBT she was an A rank so her signature could work way worse than the Ellen

And somehow you forgot the most broken ice character to support your point Ganyu. She powercrept everyone when she came out.

@@idonotmakevidsyet National was always better than Ganyu teams. The only time it wasn't was when they had leyline disorders catered to freeze and like slowing water to make Ganyu look better than she was. Taser performed worse, but still better than Ganyu, who had to move on to a cope melt team that absorbed two of the best characters in the game at the time. That's despite the addition of rosaria and diona to support freeze teams. And yet reverse melt rosaria was able to clear the hardest content in the game, so it didn't matter if you pulled Ganyu or not. She was never broken, and is a weak character except when hoyo forces her into meta. Venti was the one who carried Morgana teams and is honestly the best example of forced power creep because he only works when Hoyo permits him to. The difference is that he actually adds incredible value when he works, unlike Ganyu who was just baiting you to use better characters in teams they work worse in.

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It is always a magter of time. I'm not sure how it was for you, but early hoyogame banners have never been very interesting for me. Venti and klee for genshin, and seele and jing yuan for hsr. Subsequent banners brought out bangers though with zhongli and kafka. I'm sure this game will be the same with interesting characters introduced and hyped in the actual story.

no no no wait for 1.2 characters

@@Evan-ru6ro and wait for 1.3 characters

​@@Marimo00101.4 it is

It’s been over a year since Seele’s release and she can still comfortably clear MoC. Is she the best? Absolutely not, but she can still do end game comfortably

Money can't fix lack of skill

@@Blockhead2 b-bu-but THATS THE ENTIRE REASON TO PLAY GACHA NO!?!?! ;(((

In that case you will have an brain dmg when that faction appear in main story lel

@@enrique9773 reading your comment gives me brain damage

@@JazzMyOpiniontypical answer from someone who already got permanent brain dmg xD