Elswick Cruisers - First of the Class 

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@@markmorganakathekosherham1838 why not both? :D

Would japan still build the yamato class if they completed the 8-8 program?

If the three way Mexican Standoff between the three South American countries turned into a three way war who would come out on top? (Maybe not on top, but who would lose the least?)

7.2 town/Cleveland classes against 1 Yamato.

"Range, Armour and Speed at the Same Time..? Brilliant! Brilliant! (clink!)

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Hahaha

Chile was the main source for nitrates used in explosives and propellant. So everyone tried to supply them the best to keep them happy.

There are some rather spiky mountains between them and their neighbors.

@@toomanyhobbies2011 Chile = Mordor?

​@@Orinslayerbut with better seafood and llamas

What the Admiralty didn't like about the Elswick cruisers was their commercial origin. They no longer trusted anyone in the private sector to design a warship for the RN, ever since the Captain' disaster. (Captain had been a private venture too, designed by Coles without direct input from the Constructor's department of the Admiralty and built by Lairds incorporating much of their house style. Even though White was working for Armstrong as their chief designer at the time, the knowledge that Elswick cruisers were optimised for a competitive export market meant that they were built to slightly 'different' standards than the RN was after. High speed, strong armament and low displacement suggested, to the Admiralty at least, weaker scantlings than required in an RN ship or else a reduction in range or seakeeping. Actually, none of that was really the case, but it's easy to see why they thought that. What the RN wanted was Grade A seakeeping, the longest range possible on coal alone and enough ship to do all that and carry the firepower of an Elswick cruiser. When White came back to the Admiralty to take up the post of Director of Naval Construction (after Nathaniel Barnaby left), his own cruiser designs were consistently under criticism from observers who considered the whole lot either too large and costly for their armament (as with the Astraea through Eclipse classes), or too slow and wet for the roles they were assigned (Medea and Apollo classes especially). Like Reed, White preferred not to have too many stipulations to interfere with his creative freedom *but* , unlike Reed, White did not display any tendency to argue his case to the Board of Admiralty and thus flourished creatively in the private sector, while Reed successfully pushed innovation in the *public* sector instead. And, in the end, the Admiralty's reluctance to invest in Elswick designs meant they missed out on some good warships and left their legacy protected cruisers looking very weak and valueless by 1910, while old Elswick 2nd-class cruisers were still looking like viable fighting units; those who weren't wearing out after many years of service at least! They fought in many wars, fought hard, took hits, sank enemies, sustained losses - all the things a good, sound, hard-fighting type ends up doing. From the British naval architectural perspective, they were to protected cruisers what the 1930s 'Tribal' class were to fleet destroyers.

@@KrillLiberator "they are commercial!" - Sir Humphrey Appleby

522nd Gaming agreed! That would be an awesome collaboration between two great channel

Magnificent idea! Hope it comes to fruition!

If i were allowed 2 subscriptions it would be Felton and Drachinifel

Been There , Done That. Not Waiting !

No. You are way better than mark. Don't do it

The Russians found it dangerous, it would be involved in the Battle of Tsushimi as the HIJMS Izumi

I only live down in Teesside. And here we say the w....

He is right, els-ick is the correct prenunciation.

C S yup, El-Sick it is. Not only was I born there but I served my apprenticeship in Armstrong’s Elswick Works

Interesting. I live in teesside and we say Elswick with the W. So did my grandad who was born in trimdon in the 20s

Armada de Chile cruiser "Esmeralda". Fine lines indeed.

I noticed the same thing. Beautiful indeed!

My scout troop spent a weekend literally camping on and crawling around the USS Massachusetts, so that would be another one that would really interest me.

This still happens at times. Usually with light patrol craft but generally the capital investment is too much for companies to risk now. Plus 120 years ago there generally was some sort of war on the horizon and the state of technological advances meant that a minor nation was usually shopping 😂

The Bagged Cordite Change.

Charge, predicted text again.

Lindy beige did a great video on tuebinia. I dare say the issue for Drach is she's so far north of him. Given the state of the trains it's probably less hassle to fly to the US to cover a ship lol

I don't know if Drach studied History at college, but at university he studied engineering. So isn't a historian by 'profession'. Just very very well read :) so don't be discouraged.

The numbered guides are supposed to be around 5min long. This is a more in depth look at a class and it's impact. This was back when the channel didn't really do videos that went longer than 10 mins very often

Second.

Wasn't it built as the Midway class, as far as the hull and machinery was concerned?

@@LV_CRAZY no, both types were under construction at the same time. The Montana's would have been battleship versions of the Alaska class cruisers, useless. Fortunately the U.S. figured it out before completing them. Would have been mothballed shorty after completing. Too slow to support carriers would have meant the Iowa's would have still been the answer later in life.

Not too much to say. They were to be super heavy battleships, essentially the Iowas with better immunity to the Mk8 AP shell and 12x16" guns, for a truly staggering throw weight. However, it was recognized fairly early in development that carriers were more important and the fast battleship's new role was carrier protection, so the first two potential units were rescheduled as Iowas (Kentucky and Illinois) and the rest loitering in planning until cancelled. It was decided that 45K ton carriers (Midway) were more important than 75K ton battleships, especially with newer heavier aircraft coming out and the fact the USN already had 10 fast battleships and a couple of super heavy cruisers without much of a role.

@@jmk1798 was the montana even laid down?

Oh my; an Englishman commenting on a mispronunciation. My take on it is that the producer of these vids gets more words right than wrong. I enjoy how BBC pedantically enunciates non-English words and names, while saying Wooster(Worchestshire). I wonder if the w was pronounced knowing it was silent to make the overall video more understandable to the larger audience.

@@johnivkovich8655 Another Englishman commenting on spelling, it's Worcestershire :-)

@@johnivkovich8655 it was also my thought that the 'w' being pronounced would help those searching from just hearing it. I too enjoy BBC mispronunciations especially when on the same article two announcers choose two different pronunciations of the same word. I am local to Elswick and a lot of local names have peculiar pronunciation so I did not expect Drach to pronounce it like a local, but he seems a stickler for correctness.

@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 Lovely; and thank you for the smile that I now have.

@@johnivkovich8655 regards (mis) pronunciation there is a 15s clip 'John Fashanu Day Today' from an old comedy show you may appreciate, also on a nautical theme if you visit Tyneside the Turbinia is at a local museum.

Probably one longer video :)

@@Drachinifel Oh, okay. That might end up being as long as your Drydock episodes.

Bill Wurtz: " Japan wanted some Huge Boats, With Guns, so they payed Britain, France, and the United States to build them some, and it all went well except for the French one that Died in a Tornado. (IJN Unebi 1886) "