@@FlyingGentilelol that is facts,god logic going against top tier muslims mansur and scrappy got schooled badly but this debate is much more better and is really a good debate
@@lalhmangaihalalhmangaiha8288those are also called gods sons so is the prophets praying to Jesus and who is Jesus prayed to man you can’t make this shi up
So now, every caption on a Muslim channel involving Godlogic is, “Godlogic got schooled?” This was a good conversation and Godlogic actually educated the Muslim guy respectfully.
@@yes-qw6om wait so someone saying things about “history” and the other person not knowing makes their say so right? cause he said some wrong stuff about his historical knowledge
The Muslim brother was talking about the roman and early christian history but godlogic keeps interrupting and insisting with Isaiah 53:10 (actually his bible interpretation which by the way, the old testament literally belongs to the jews)... definitely godlogic get schooled here 😂😂😂
The muslim guy was trying to say that the romans created christianity and godlogic pointed out that there are prophecies in the old testament, much older, wich came to fruition in the first century written in the new testament. That's why he kept trying to point to isaiaih, therefore this muslims claim falls apart.
@@nascog4586 you know that the old testament and the new testament is not a historically reliable as a source of information? have you studied these issues? really bro 😂😂😂 for starters, how about if you google it first... 😂
@@ericdraven12 we don't Google Christ. We read the Bible. The same way the port of call is the Qur'an. We have no business with the internet. Stop the double standard. Between, Christianity is older than the Roman empire how can Rome begin Christianity
@@Apex_ol7xw wrong again, don't be scared of the lovely google... you will learn something 🤣🤣🤣... like for example, the Roman empire with Julius Caesar, who was assassinated on March 15th, 44 BC, well before the birth of Christ. Jesus was born during the rule of Caesar Augustus, the adoptive heir of Julius, who ruled from 63 BC to AD 14. Christ died under Augustus's successor, his step-son Tiberius, who ruled from AD 14 to 37... if you google this information you will know its history... and you said christianity was older than Romans? 😆😆😆 you've been schooled bro...
@@ericdraven12 its funny because historians do use the bible for historical research so do archeologist, the funny thing is that the quran is mostly discared because its lacks any historical accurantcy.
Their logic: (Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted (James 1:13) God cannot be tempted (John 1:29) Jesus was seen (1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9) God is not a man (Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn't ever need to learn (1 Corinthians 15: 3-4) Jesus Died (1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn't need salvation (John 4:6) Jesus grew weary (Isaiah 40:28) God cannot grow weary (Mark 4:38) Jesus slept (Psalm 121: 2-4) God doesn't sleep (John 5:19) Jesus wasn't all powerful (Isaiah 45: 5-7) God is all powerful (Mark 13:32) Jesus wasn't all knowing (Isaiah 46:9) God is all knowing Please re-read your scriptures properly Christians. And analyse the contradictions within. Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him was a mighty messenger sent by God. The Messiah. Not God incarnate.
@@Walk.by.faith247 So you think you should interpret John 1:1 in a way that ignores all the other Bible verses that prove Jesus cannot be God? John 1:1 isn't speaking about God as there is no definite article, this is well known. Even Christian scholars admit this.
@@jolandafrijlink6103 mate. Every mosque in the world can close down. Every Muslim can become a KAFIR waya'audhobilah min dhalik. Islam will still be The Truth. Absolute Truth is not determined by popularity. Allah does not need a single soul to agree with Him in order for His Truth to reign supreme. You Christians have a very weird understanding of TRUTH.
Masha Allah love the brother for the seek of Allah an absolutely gem may Allah SWT protect him, perserve him and give the blessing of this dunya and hereafter ameen
@Christusregna what?! By taking the scripture out of context by pointing out to implicit versus without its proper context and when he got pressured and showed that the suffering servant don’t point to God coming down and sacrifice Himself to Himself in order to forgive the creatures which He created “the Jews don’t take that understanding so as the Unitarian Christians” so on and so forth but what was his answer “I don’t care”. Low class intellect mate.
@Christusregna Doglogic skip chapter 49 ,where it specifically mentioned the nation of Israel. There is no break in the narrative of the Jewish text, it's only Christians Bible that it has chapters which makes it looks that it refers to Jesus Doglogic is waffling in front of history
how can you insinuate that Christianity is a religion created by Rome when most of those who preached Christianity in the Roman Empire were persecuted and killed in terrible ways, Rome recognized Christianity after 313 years from the formation of Christianity. Emperor Constantine is the one who recognizes Christianity in 313, until then Christians were tortured by the Roman Empire. It seems that you know a lot of history, get your hands on a book before you comment
I appreciated this back and forth. Logic came from an argument of authority fallacy perspective, meaning his points were proven by the Bible. Tay came from a historical perspective. I dont see anyone "winning " this conversation.
Avery is sneaky, knowing how to debate doesn't necessarily mean your point is right. The Muslim guy is actually spot on, christianity is heavily diluted with paganism, hence the white jesus, xmas, idolatry and paganism customs. He was basically saying the christianity of today is no different to that pagan catholicism, which is a fact!
Jesus’ mission was to the whole world, different peoples are free to create images of him that show him to be one of their own people. That is why you will sometimes see statues or icons of a “Caucasian Jesus” or an “African Jesus” or a “Native American Jesus” or an “Asian Jesus.” Such images demonstrate the universality of the Incarnation. Christmas is celebration of Jesus’s birthday No idolatry no paganism customs
**John Paul II , address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985** “WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD, THE ONE GOD, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection. . . .” “Both of us believe in one God, the only God, who is all justice and all mercy; we believe in the importance of prayer, of fasting, of almsgiving, of repentance and of pardon;…”
I don't see where God_Logic got schooled 😂. One thing about God_Logic is that he says I don't have much knowledge about this area or people but is willing to listen or point you to people who are more knowledgeable in that area.
Nice of Avery to offer him some water... But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the
Where is Godlogic schooled??? First the Muslim brother tries to corner him with the Bible verse, but when Avery shows him the real meaning of the verse, he backs up that the Bible is not true for him
How is this embarrassing? He clearly stated that he is currently studying the church fathers and there is absolutely nothing that teaches the contrary to the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and that Jesus died and resurrected, and that Jesus is the way to the Father.
@@Lanalogic-n3xyou really think that Godlogic one time come to the conclusion that a 54 year old Mohammed who has Sex with a NINE year young CHILD and many Concubines and who was responsible for the beheading of TEN year young boys is the BEST example of mankid, IM DOUBT IT.
you really think that Godlogic one time come to the conclusion that a 54 year old Mohammed who has Sex with a NINE year young CHILD and many Concubines and who was responsible for the beheading of TEN year young boys is the BEST example of mankid, IM DOUBT IT.
'Tay' was only strolling though but then had time to chat. Not planned at all.🤔 GL explained he does not attack Mos lems, he attacks Is lam. He was not schooled at all, just the reverse. He was very clear.
What those the Roman history has to do with the history of Christ ?he don’t even aware that the same Roman’s that kill Christ also kill his disciple .. they came to believe and acknowledge that they just mess up with the true God and bow down on their knees..it’s not even an argument. Good job Avery
Because the Roman emperor who adopted Christianity had to make concessions and integrate pagan Roman beliefs and traditions to get the masses open up to Christian adoption. As well as they did with the Norman’s in England and Scandinavia , where you for example get your Christmas tree from. Combining traditional uses and Christianity. If you cannot see the link between Roman history and the way they formed and influenced todays Christianity maybe your intellect has abandoned you.
Titus was not associated with the church in anyway whatsoever lol he was a Roman emperor and military commander, known for his role in the First Jewish-Roman War and the siege of Jerusalem. He was never a pope or early church father.
@@dfwherbie8814 watch the video again yourself. If you can’t find a quote where he says what you claim ie “Titus was a pope or early church father” then you got to retract your claim.
@@dfwherbie8814 he is referring to Titus flavius clemens. You are referring to emperor Titus Flavius Vespasianus. Different people. Anyway his argument was pretty thin in the video on clemens although there is scholarship that Clemens converted to Judaism. Which ties into his overall argument somewhat.
@@TheStr8Path oh, Clemens. Titus Clemens is not considered an early church father either. He was, as you implied, a Christian writer and theologian who lived in the late 2nd and early 3rd centuries, but he is not as well-known or influential as the early church fathers such as Augustine, Jerome, or Origen, and so on and so on. But Tay’s arguments fall weaker once Avery mentioned prophecies that were written 1,000 years before Jesus. I can go through some with you. Because they are interesting, regardless if you believe in them or not.
who is al-sabiqun al-awwalun... I want to see if there is a previous prophet or prophet isa listed...The first name listed is the prophet's wife Khadija
This was clickbait . Godlogic totally answer and he could of given more torah texts to prove the coming of the mesiah if there was more time on video .
I dont see any 'schooling' here. All i see is a brother refusing to see that his history knowledge has nothing to do with the position of the OT about The Messiah. Because the whole focus of Christianity is on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Because it's cos of this sacrifice of Jesus that we all in the world finally have reconciliation with God, hope of Eternal Life, and eternity with The Creator. Jesus also gave us power and authority over the satan and other powers in His Name. That's why it's the centre of it all. All the world was destined to die, physically and spiritually. But Jesus came and died the die, so that we might live. 1Cor 15: 14-19 So if you want to prove that Christianity, you have to produce irrefutable evidence that Jesus never existed, or he died and didnt resurrect or he didn't die at all or prove that He(Jesus) wasnt who he claimed to be And that is what the Devil has been trying to do all these years. It's funny that Allah and Muhammad are trying to do the same thing. Allah's best tactic is to say 'another person' died in his place. 700yrs later.
Lol, I like how you think Isaiah 53 is about Jesus. It's not. Please read the context and read 52 and 54. You can't just take things out of context. And then to double down and say all Jews are wrong about their understanding of Isaiah 52,53,and 54 is very asinine and unless you can prove logically it's about Jesus, you have no leg to stand on.
@@akolisaacemmanuel4227 @akolisaacemmanuel4227 Lol, Jews whose scripture it is, say it's about Israel, not Jesus. So again, provide proof of your belief. I'm guessing you don't know hence the waffling.
He did, avery is just sneaky with it and knows how to wiggle his way out of debates. The Muslim guy is right, Christianity is heavily influenced by roman paganism hence the white jesus, xmas, easter, idolatry, lawlessness etc.
Man I swear these Dawah channels are tryna milk these GodLogic videos with misleading titles to get Christians to come and view their videos and monetize, and guess what? It absolutely worked since I sat here and watched all 40mins of it lmfao Good video, the Muslim brother was respectful and genuinely interested, GodLogic gave a good presentation of his position. This was more of a discussion instead of a debate, I wouldn't say anyone got "Schooled" here lol
Its because GL is trying to drip feed the videos, but the problem is there's a bunch of cameras around. If this was up on both channels I'd watch GL's version, but it's not so what am I supposed to do. He's not livestreaming so I haven't gotten my regular cooking videos.
Titus was not associated with the church in anyway whatsoever lol he was a Roman emperor and military commander, known for his role in the First Jewish-Roman War and the siege of Jerusalem. He was never a pope or early church father.
@@TheStr8Path also, if you are Muslim Tay, you made a few other blunders. Your point about other men claiming to be the messiah around the 1st century during the Jewish uprisings were a bit disingenuous. So much so that it makes me question whether you’re actually a Muslim. Because you’re essentially discrediting Jesus’s official claim as the messiah, a titled even given to Him by the Quran as well. So it could be that you are simply an atheist and not a Muslim. Or if you are a Muslim, you’re confused due to engaging the discussion in a historical manner, a method that goes against Islam in many ways. Therein lies your internal contraindication. For example, other messianic claimants who also got crucified were merely using Jesus’s influence as the messiah as a way to bandwagon their own claim as the messiah as a means to lead uprisings against the Romans. They were not entering their rebels into a new covenant with God or claiming to be the Son of God, the Father. Those other “messiac” claimants were leaders of rebel militias. Full stop. The point isn’t the claim of the messiah in itself. It’s everything that comes with it. Not even just the miracles Jesus performed while living, but His resurrection. Something that only happened (obviously) with Christ.
How did he get schooled, you really need to learn how to make headlines that aren't biased towards Muslims or biased towards Christianity, just be objective, this was just a good conversation, he had a good view but Avery just showed him and asked him how this correlate and he couldn't agree with him, hope they debate later again, but very respectful, and not schooled at all.
I'm still in the process of watching but I do know God logic puts up misleading headlines like as if he schooled every Muslim in his video which is never the case
@@zzz-rl4ur Agree but we all know it's to get people to watch their videos, but Avery does not do it like this guy or girl from this account does it. I mean this is just outrageous how some of these headlines are, and if we watch the video it's just not even close to be "schooled"Avery doesn't do it like that.
how can you insinuate that Christianity is a religion created by Rome when most of those who preached Christianity in the Roman Empire were persecuted and killed in terrible ways, Rome recognized Christianity after 313 years from the formation of Christianity. Emperor Constantine is the one who recognizes Christianity in 313, until then Christians were tortured by the Roman Empire. It seems that you know a lot of history, get your hands on a book before you comment
@@francempholo4091in totality i’d agree it was a fair conversation but i have to say Godlogic was being a little disingenuous by trying to make out there was 0 correlation between Tay’s point about the influence the romans paganism had on early Christianity
@@truthfinder6538 Titus was not associated with the church in anyway whatsoever lol he was a Roman emperor and military commander, known for his role in the First Jewish-Roman War and the siege of Jerusalem. He was never a pope or early church father.
@@craiggifford220 fax im a christian btw brother but these are the debates that i look forward to all the other debates that happen that are very not good religious base conversations their entraining which i like but i like how this one is very respectful
Agreed. But Titus was not associated with the church in anyway whatsoever lol he was a Roman emperor and military commander, known for his role in the First Jewish-Roman War and the siege of Jerusalem. He was never a pope or early church father. Last, the other messianic claimants who also got crucified were merely using Jesus’s influence as the messiah as a way to bandwagon their own claim as the messiah as a means to lead uprisings against the Romans. Those other “messiac” claimants were leaders of rebel militias. The point isn’t the claim of the messiah in itself. It’s everything that comes with it. Not even just the miracles Jesus performed while living, but His resurrection. Something that only happened (obviously) with Christ.
He believes he is only strong behind his camera in his bedroom and not in front of Muslims face to face. When he went with David Wood and the others to see Sheikh Othman, he did not want to speak with this Sheikh.
Because muslims love to waffle, they don't actually answer the question that's why he always try to redirect them to the topic. Take for example his discussion with Mansour or the sheik.
He knew the link that was being made but because he was uneducated on the subjects the brother was speaking on he wanted to bring it back to something he is comfortable with. I mean what else can it be referring to when Tay i believe his name is, mentions the roman god Apollo being son of jupiter and that is who the emperor at that time heavily leaned on. He is obviously correlating it to Christians saying Jesus is son of God and how it was influenced yet he responds with “so what so what” as if the point isn’t blatantly obvious
Love how you point out the negative on the opposing side as a Muslim ignoring the fact that you're an OUTSIDER and therefore should see things fairly. There was no "schooling" here, both are respectful towards each other. Then again, the title is meant to mislead you Muslims into thinking the Muslim gentle man "schooled" godlogic. Didn't your Quran taught you to be fair?
