EMERGENCY Delta Airlines Airbus A320. Engine Oil Leak After Departure at JFK. REAL ATC 

Not as if there is a specific short word the pilot could use to indicate that they are declaring an emergency. Something like aprilday? Or juneday? Or maybe something in between?

😂😂😂😂😂😂!!!!

It's very likely the controller was puzzled by the crew's need to return before the crew had completed their assessment of the situation. They were doing what you're supposed to do- flying the jet and analyzing the malfunction. The flight didn't need any special handling, just a deviation from the filed flight plan. Often that happens, the situation is resolved, and the flight proceeds as planned. By the time they asked, the crew had determined it was an emergency. I just wrapped 30 years with Delta. There's no reluctance to declare an emergency when needed. NYC airspace is crowded and fast paced, and ATC is equally busy.

@@gerardmoran9560 Hi Gérard. .. Not well handled ATC wise. Fly the aircraft indeed but get the controller in the loop ASAP with an engine out PAN call...especially around JFK...one of busiest airspace anywhere!! They are good when they know exactly what your problem is and don't have to drag it out of you in stages...they will know immediately that you want to stop climbing/descend and divert/return with urgency and there is no immenent threat to life.... Safety first in that airspace. Except not on pax/fuel....that suprised me..!!??

Fix your hat, you're on guard, they shoulda declared, now get off my lawn.

The radio in the plane itself generally sounds much better than this. The issue is that the feed is coming from a receiver that's not very good or whose antenna isn't well positioned.

Who knows where this recording comes from? The radios on an aircraft are very clear sounding.

Souls is all living people including crew. Rescue workers need a way to know if all living people have been evacuated. The cargo could include transport of caskets which may be considered people, but rescue workers should not risk injury to search for those people.

"Souls" is a term full of life and caring. Planes can also carry coffin(s) with the dearly departed. In a crash the information of souls actually makes it plain to the rescuers the total number of persons who must be found and saved.

Translated? What from American to English?

Hi 57 In JFK.!!. You must be joking... You want a runway change for this event..... Imagine the disruption and delay....and what was the wind direction?? 22L and 22R are completely adequate for small passenger jets with an engine out.....

Yeah, I always find it amusing when they do that. They mean 25.3 *thousand* pounds of fuel, but say 25.3 pounds. Pretty big difference there...

we all have those moments, friend.

25 pounds? I can carry that :P

Just like jiffy lube they forgot to put the plug back in. This is screaming maintenance error.

First, no one knows if they shut the engine down, no one knows if they made a single engine landing, and the request to taxi to the gate is indicative they made a normal landing in normal configuration. Second, this crew had to be asked several times if they were an emergency aircraft! Imagine that! Well dont imagine it, because this happened in reality, a crew had to be asked several times all the way up to the final approach control sector-if they were an emergency aircraft! Insane! And once they land they just want to goto the gate, no concern for leaking oil or potential fire hazard. The reason this crew was given a speed restriction was probably due to the necessity of clearing up ground traffic prior to their arrival to accommodate a runway shutdown. The reason they had to slow was because they failed to command the situation. Delta pilots have suspect judgement. Fuel dumping at low altitude over densely populated area with 3-4 pilots in cockpit, go-around with ground spoilers deployed, rtb without declaring an emergency over potential engine seizure.

@@36thstreethero "Second, this crew had to be asked several times if they were an emergency aircraft!" What are you talking about? When they initially told ATC about the problem, ATC asked if they were declaring an emergency. They said no, because they were still figuring out what the problem was. When Approach asked if they were declaring an emergency, they said yes. "Imagine that!" Yes, you'll have to. Because you literally imagined it.

Just gonna shut down JFK every time someone has a maintenance issue and has to return. You should get a job there. Make it all safe and stuff.

You are so correct. Upon getting the emergency signal, the tower, by rights, should cede control over to said aircraft. Let them do what THEY need to do to get the big bird to roost!

@@36thstreethero "Delta pilots have suspect judgment"..... Looks like somebody didn't get past the interview

the pilots decide if and when to answer.. good controllers understand the workload issue and do not ask every minute

Seems the case 90% of the time with issues either copying the numbers, aircrew reply is not in the exact form requested (gallons vs pounds ... emergency responders can easily calculate) or data is not forwarded to the next controller. Being a commercial rated pilot i view this ongoing issue as a major distraction at a critical time, having to stop troubleshooting a failed system to read then change gears and re-read indicators to acquire requested information. Please controllers, take the information provided on the first request and go with it. Establish procedures so this question will not have to be answered multiple times by a stressed aircrew.

Agree. That info could/should easily be included in flight plan. Fuel could easily be calc by flight data to within reasonable qty. Flight aware published data for examples shows aircraft location, heading , altitude and speed every minute of the flight. As far as ARF is concerned is there a practical difference between 23000 lbs and say 26000 or 21000? You still have to get the BIG trucks out.

A good technique to mitigate this distraction is to write the souls on board on your yoke clip scratch pad so you have it at a glance. This minimizes having to hunt for it in your flight paperwork when an emergency arises. The fuel can be quickly read from the EICAS screen. These items can then be found with a quick glance. Those two questions will always be asked so best to be prepared.

@@flyboy124 For each flight at SWA, the last thing the ops agents do before exiting the jet is hand the pilots a napkin with souls onboard and names of the cabin crew.

And that matters because?

I havent heard "chyron" in years.

@@RandyDBPFilms He watches CNN. How are your eyes?

At one point, they called them Delta 455, but the pilot responded anyway.

I was confused. Also at one point they both say "Delta 455"

Honestly the best result to hear is everybody timely at destination :D

i'm confident it will not fail me at the exact wrong moment.

Yeah? This is the place that changed my oil last time, how did it get stripped?

Ha, Jiffy Lube stripped my Camry's oil plug a couple of weeks ago. Btw, I flew that airplane N362NW about 20 years ago. The "NW" stands for Northwest now with Delta after the two airlines merged.

A lot of aviation terms can trace their origin back to the days of ocean going navigation being the main mode of transport between continents. Thus you still get "Souls on board" etc terminology being used today.

@@Falkirion 👍👍

I've heard "persons on board" a few times. Anyway I'm sure it's simply for historical reasons.

Revenue on board...

It is a lot less spiritual than you are thinking...It's simply a shorthand way to connote a living person rather than just any person, living or dead, as aircraft(other than airliners) can often also be carrying deceased persons who can technically still be called people. well, that's what I heard in an aviation video at least

This seems to happen often, and I wonder if pilots get as frustrated as I do when they're asked for the same information two or three times.

It really does seem like the kind of thing that should be a phone call

Raging speculation.

@@CastlegarGlenn So? That is part of the job. No biggy except for you.

@@RLTtizME very well might be a big deal if you're trying to keep a dying plane in the air. the extra workload is unnecessary.

Fuel level doesn't stay static though does it.

I find it amazing that the procedure of clearing an aircraft to land while they run departures on the same runway is acceptable. Logically, if there's an aircraft on the runway, you're not clear to land. If you're #2 in the queue to land, you can't be cleared to land. Being cleared to land means that the runway is yours and anything obstructing that is a violation.

@@Saavvvv i know that but they dont burn that much fuel in 5 minutes

Agreed. Also, not sure with the logic of assigning a designated airspeed to an emergency aircraft running on one engine. Let the pilots decide what speed is best for the configuration they are being forced into by the emergency. Proper call would be "Speed at your discretion'".

@@CRCinAU "Being cleared to land means that the runway is yours and anything obstructing that is a violation." Because, obviously, you know how to ATC more han ATC does. Cleared to land means that they have permission to land, not that the runway has been cleared. If the runway was still occupied when the Delta flight got close, their clearance would be revoked. (Which seems pretty poor for a declared emergency, but that's a separate issue.)

Because it takes time to determine if it’s an emergency or not

Yeah I notice that too. Maybe they are worried about the paperwork or their jobs or reputation.

Maybe because they weren't sure of nature of said problem at the time?

Alpha males like to keep the information to themselves because they don't want lesser mortals telling them what to do.

@@Volodimar Correct, they were busy diagnosing the issue to determine if it would be an emergency.

The game Telehpone comes to mind as a possible reason why it’s asked from controller to controller.

Not completely accurate, they were put in, but missing the o-rings.

Not always enough time to.

@@saxmanb777 that's most likely the reason, but it seems like there should be a software solution, like highlight the aircraft on the scope, and add notations to it or something. I suppose we aren't quite there yet!

What do you mean? They certainly do pass it along. The controller is communicating that information to other controllers as well as personnel equipment on the ground

@@jakeoesterreich8037 What is NOT being passed along apparently is the status of souls on board and fuel remaining in pounds. OTHERWISE the controller would pass it along instead of saying the next controller may ask you for fuel and souls.

It’s the Master Warning (level 3: red warning light with continuous repetitive chime, specific sounds or a synthetic voice). Engine fire is only one of the reasons it can go off (also things like dangerous configuration, excess cabin altitude, stall, overspeed, etc). Requires immediate action. A level 2 is indicated by an amber warning light with a single chime. Level 1 is just an amber warning light. Good spot, though!

@@RomeoJulietCharlie Thanks for the correction! Learn something new every day.

A lot of Master warnings, sounds very weird to me…

If you're talking about the LH 747, losing an engine on a 747 is a much less serious problem than losing one on an A320. Personally, I still tend to think it should be treated as an emergency aircraft, but losing 1 of 4 engines is quite different from losing 1 of 2 engines. Of course, either of those is much less serious than losing 1 of 1 engines. - haha

I think you’re equating this to a car or truck oil leak, it’s almost never like that - if the qty was reaching zero in the air, we can assume they shut that engine down… any actual leak remnants would have been blown away or burned off. I doubt you’d see much of anything beyond what’s on the engine cowling.

@@EstorilEm Almost certainly true... but given the potential for damage to other planes that could occur in that one-in-ten-thousand chance that it's *not* true, I have to say I'm with @Navek on this.

We don't know when the leak started, it might not have been spilling oil on the runway.

@@EstorilEm correct, and they don't hold that much oil anyway

@@HiddenWindshield What’s the one on ten thousand chance you speak of? Another aircraft ingesting a drop of oil? Oh god no! The horror! Lol. Airport ops are trained just like pilots, they have their protocols and procedures they’ve got to follow after a given incident. FOD inspections are part of their SOP, I guarantee you they did everything by the book and all was fine (without unnecessarily impacting other flights and costing the industry tens of thousands due to even a temporary closure.)

Not sure if this is sarcastic 😊 25.3 is shorthand for 25,300 lbs of jet fuel

Exactly, why not specify that it's thousands?

@@2004JETTA LOL I know, just a dumb joke

@@AlessioSangalli industry lingo, perhaps? Similar to frequencies? ATC May say contact ground in 129.4 and pilot responds with 29.4.

Well you know, because of today's cost of fuel, they had to make some cutbacks to stay profitable! (joking) :)

A320s dont dump fuel and do not have the facility to do so. Aircraft only have to dump fuel if they are over max landing weight. Smaller aircraft like A320S, 737s , ERJs and CRJs can be fuelly fuelled and will still not be overweight. Wide bodies such as 767s, 777s, 747s , A330s etc can dump because their max TOW can exceed their max landing weight.

@@pauldunn5978 Thx!

Oh give me a break, you asked for it so… believe it or not, us Yanks invented modern ATC and run more than 6x the air traffic than the UK. He hadn’t RUN THE DAMN ECAM ACTIONS YET or checklist items, but preemptively wanted to stop the climb (ie climb power) out of caution due to dropping oil qty.) So no, he can’t declare an emergency yet, but he did eventually once actions were taken and (presumably) the no1 engine was shut down. What am I missing here? In the US us “Yanks” don’t just throw around pan pan pans because we think it sounds cool. In all honesty, I’m sure UK and US flight crews would have done exactly the same thing, you just seem to be clueless about CRM and checklist items / protocols, and threw in a useless / unnecessary bit about how things are done in the US. 🤦‍♂️ Controllers want to know if a flight is in emergency ASAP because they can basically do whatever they want after that point as far as vectoring other aircraft; the incident aircraft wants to wait as long as possible till the issue is verified so they don’t look like idiots when filling out the inevitable boatload of paperwork which follows an emergency declaration. Im not saying the paperwork influenced their actions, but they’re going to follow protocol and checklists / ECAM actions before blindly declaring an emergency, which is EXACTLY what they did.

No help at all. Inert. A trivial obsessive trope and harangue. No difference whether used or not. Outcome always the same. Silly isn’t it when you think about it really.

What does it mean "mayday"? The airplane was fine, they just decided to go back to be on the safe side, it's not like the airplane was on fire or they lost a wing.... Come on they could have arrived at destination of they really wanted

@@AlessioSangalli These people are obsessed with Mayday and Pan Pan.

@@RLTtizME OCD types

No danger in flight, unless the other engine decided to quit, there's no problem what so ever flying on 1 engine. Possible problems on the ground might be overheated wheel brakes since they would only have hlaf the usual engine reverse braking. There was a lot (virtually all) ground vehicle conversation missing from this video, they migt have had firetruck out just in case.

It is not required.

Based back in the days of airplanes borrowing terms from naval days

Real deal ,agree withvu about sayg people on board instead of souls,it would make me feel 👍 like we might not make it when ur thousands of feet upnin plane✈️

It's a piece of bogus American 'gravitas'.

It removes ambiguity, people could be considered passengers but not crew or forget off-duty crew (who are not customers or crew), or it could include dead people as planes may be used to transport caskets, or due to the oddities of language and routine business terms it could mean everyone other than the pilot/radio operator. (The people in addition to himself, "I have three people on board" is a reasonable statement from an owner-operator of a small airplane that has 4 souls onboard.) Rescue workers need to know when they have evacuated all of the living, and not risk themselves for those who are already dead.

Because it is a EuroBrit affectation. Silly and redundant.

Not required to say mayday in the US. Not really trained for it.

Mayday is to clear the radio chatter and get attention, it serves no purpose when actively communicating with ATC and operating by instrument flight rules.

@@mytech6779 It used to be “spatula” but that was thought to be too dramatic.

@@saxmanb777 We just don't like it sweetie.

Ah in magical America, they use pounds in aviation. I.e. weight of the plane and fuel etc.

@@vatnsfjord Bunches of bananas then.

The ICAO correct answer is fuel in hours and minutes. I don't know what a controller does with fuel quantity.

@@KB4QAA I suppose it's for the fire service so they know how much fuel or fire to expect in case of a leak or accident. Why pounds still confounds me though. Like just take whatever the pilots give you and calculate yourself. You have nothing to worry about, pilots who declare an emergency have a lot better things to do than convert fuel or even push a button to see it. Double confirm which unit they used and that's enough.

The complete reg says "nearest suitable airport *in point of time* so if returning to JFK would take the same amount of time as descending to an airport closer (say PHL), JFK would have been just fine. Not that the FAA ever measures thus kind of stuff. If a 3 or 4 engined aircraft fails one, they can keep going to the destination if the PIC considers it just as safe as landing at the nearest suitable.

They landed in New York, that's what they did... Why can't the pilot just do what they think is best?

They follow FAA approved, manufacturer reviewed airline operational procedures, where there's a difference between landing "as soon as possible" and "as soon as practicable" for different issues.

That return was to a suitable airport....that they knew. Is it the nearest? Is it suitable ? Maybe suitable is preferable? You have to define suitable especially regarding facilities and weather etc etc etc... If they just left an airfield that was deemed suitable for departure then maybe it's suitable for a return . This issue is how they did it...!?

It’s shortened for the thousands, it’s actually 25,300lbs of fuel

You’ve got to be kidding right

@@varietychillin9632 I was wondering if any one would take that seriously.

@@josephalberta1145 Of course they'd take it seriously It's in the task description of all armchair pilots.

That’s the amount of Gins in the galley.

"well is the engine running?" Obviously, yes. If it was out, they would have said so. "Why not declare an emergency right away?" Because they hadn't yet determined that they were in an emergency situation. “Can you accept a heading?” “Are you declaring an emergency?””Whats the reason for the return?” These are all standard questions. Nothing to be alarmed or critical about.

So many of their planes are falling apart and are so old.They fly the snot out of those planes thats for sure. Im glad im not with them