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EN.12 Short Box Spread -- Placing a Real Trade in Interactive Brokers 

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Welcome to the No. 12 video in my Middle-Class Investing series. This video demos how to calculate the price and the steps of placing a Short Box Spread in Interactive Brokers to borrow money. Box allows you to borrow money at close to the US treasury rate and the interest you paid are capital loss which further reduces your capital gain tax.
Spreadsheet to help organize the Box trade: tinyurl.com/box...
Treasury rate: tinyurl.com/tre...
For more details, see Slides 29 at tinyurl.com/cl...
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@Toughbreak
@Toughbreak 2 месяца назад
Very clear and helpful video. Easy to follow along while placing my own trade. Thank you for making this tutorial.
@NestaAstern
@NestaAstern 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing!
@bongchankoh478
@bongchankoh478 27 дней назад
I have heard that if I write options (which are treated the same as negative margin cash balances) at Interactive Brokers, then IB aggressively lends my hypothecated portfolio securities and doesn’t call them back around ex-dividend dates like Fidelity, Schwab, and others do. This means I will pay marginal income tax rates on payments-in-lieu-of-dividends instead of capital gains/qualified dividend tax rates on a sizable amount of my dividend income. What do you think about this comment? Have you experienced this problem too?
@clefinvestments
@clefinvestments 27 дней назад
I don't have a direct answer to you since I don't write options except the short box spread on SPX. However, I did ask IB about their Stock Yield Enhancement Program where my stocks can be borrowed by them for others to short. I asked whether it affects the dividend I am entitled if the stock was borrowed. Here is their answer: Stock Yield Enhancement Program shares that are lent out are generally recalled from the borrower before ex-date in order to capture the dividend and avoid payments in lieu (PIL) of dividends. Based on their above answer, my guess is that they won't do something that affects your dividend or the tax treatment of your dividend because they lend your securities to others.
@bongchankoh478
@bongchankoh478 27 дней назад
@@clefinvestments Thank you for your response! Also, your videos are extremely helpful.
@NestaAstern
@NestaAstern 4 месяца назад
What is the margin requirement to enter this short box spread?
@clefinvestments
@clefinvestments 4 месяца назад
It is very small and should not be a concern. For example, for a short Box spread of $210k, the Initial Margin is $153, and the Maintenance Margin is $139.
@ExceptionNoWay
@ExceptionNoWay 2 месяца назад
@@clefinvestments Hi Wenhua, I tried to place an order as you kindly suggested, and it shows both the initial margin and maintenance margin is 100K for a 5000-6000 Box Jun 18, 2025. Could you please share some advice? Do we need to have a large cash account for placing this kind of order? Thanks!
@clefinvestments
@clefinvestments 2 месяца назад
@@ExceptionNoWay this is likely because you didn't enable portfolio margining in your account.
@ExceptionNoWay
@ExceptionNoWay 2 месяца назад
@@clefinvestments Thanks a lot for your quick reply and comments! Yeah, my current account on IBKR is not Portfolio Margin Account. And I also tried to submit a short box spread on 0DTE SPX 5535-5545 options today, to test if I can get a risk-free credit income. Unfortunately, the order was being immediately cancelled, without even being submitted into the SMART route for a price improvement. From your videos, I learnt that the volume is very important for the Box spreads. But for the 0DTE options, the volumes are very high. It is very likely that because the account is not a portfolio margin account. I will update after I could confirm this. Thanks a lot for your kind sharing on your valuable videos and knowledge! Very helpful! I greatly appreciate that!
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