END OF AN ERA!! FFBE Annouces End of Service: What Does it Mean For WoTV and What's Next?? 

The downfall of a game starts when the only way to win is to pull every week and old players become worthless... has to be a whale/F2P balance...

This is why never ever invest your money and time in Square enix games. Even for future games i can guarantee it wont last

Although I never played FFBE & I've recently stopped playing WOTV. I am hoping for that FFBE 2 or something in that regard that you were talking about AJ. Also I hope they will have an official PC Client too. Because they will need that to survive as we have seen all the new gachas have come with PC options and have been much more successful. Hopefully those FFBE players can find a new home to find what they got with FFBE and maybe, just maybe they are working on that "FFBE 2".

Problem with Wotv, I can have a HSR or Genshin unit be useful when I pull. Wotv maybe 6 months at best of building.

Don't worry if wotv becomes eos auronnjay. I don't think your viewership will drop if or when wotv ends. It's your personality and in depth analysis of games that draws people in. The church of aileen will continue on 😇

please don't stop the game yet, i need FFXII collab, and FFX-2 too

From day one to day none. Played every day.

These gacha’s really need to make offline versions to take care of the long time fans and even still get some last minute earnings from new players that have been curious. I’d be more comfortable spending money on gatcha’s if I knew the content will always be there for me to play on the end.

Everything was perfect before neo visions.. Lunera is my favorite unit.. first time getting her with her buffs around 65% stats boost..+ mp regen felt like my team was immortal lol Great memories 😂

They went full Brave Frontier style 😭

I wish they would add a patch that allows you to play FFBE as a stand alone game on your device. I’m a bit aggravated & disappointed since I spend money on FFBE. 😑

They invested in crypto and it backfired hard to them😂 It has been leaked for a couple of months now that the game is approaching Eos

I played for seven years and i am very sad it is ending. Might download WOTV and see how it is. Will get a screenshot of my game id from ffbe to see if they will transfer it if they make a ffbe2.

Why would anyone want to invest and olay any of their other games if theyre just gonna pull the plug and delete all the accounts that people worked so hard to acquire and achieve.

There is no way the game has like 100-150k of players 4 years ago when the reddit post itself barely even gotten any upvotes and comment engagements. They are 100% manipulating the data in order to avoid creating the perception that the game is not that successful.

A lot of companies could learn from the longevity of Grand Sunmoners tbh

I've playing FFBE daily for 8 years and it makes me so sad and nostalgic to lose the game. I'm sure WotV still has long to go, as long as we continue to support them.

Speaking of Hiroki! Where is he and Justin? Not even videos with them.

I hope they do what the Megaman mobile game did and make it an actual game, because the story was dope.

Sadly gumi games are starting to be a waste of time. The game is good... I just can't justify the time investment to just have it go down eventually. Just feels like a ticking time bomb now.

I do miss FFBE, I thought the first couple years of that game were just phenomenal. I hope they do come out with a second one...maybe down scale the power creep a tad..they can keep the difficulty levels as is.

This is just the global version i believe. JP version will still be active

O I thought this was the other game for a second. Glad WotV is still active. I loved Record Keeper. Does that count?

Expected, Gumi has always been a cash grab company and they ruined the game

Dragon Quest Tact Global Is Gone Same In Opera Omnia Final Fantasy because Some Player Is Lazy All So The Number 1 Reason Is Pvp Is Unbalance Whale In JP They Are Having 9th anniversary

but WOTV was already announced as the sequel to Brave Exvius

Honestly love WOTV and I am sad I put the game down but the people being toxic and negative made me not want to play instead of complaining and being that guy I just quit it’s sad to see these games shutting down but it’s natural especially we have to realize when we chronically complain that these games want to make money that it helps nothing whales and dolphins need a reason to spend so f2p can play a game for free equalizing the game for all just makes games lose money and then close f2p friendly isn’t a realistic thing the game is made to make profit !

The new game with FFT style pleaseeee

... absolutely hoping for-the-same. Love your enthusiasm... and love your content.

What SE and gumi need to learn is that forcing players to spend kills the game. They should encourage not force.

i hope they make a proper rpg with the BE characters, they could 100% recycle the story, I dont want all this lore gone

I enjoyed FFBE a ton at launch, but within a year or two it was already overwhelming how complex and convoluted and tedious its systems were getting. I’m amazed it lasted as long as it did. Power creep is one thing but systems creep where you have to keep up with 20 different types of progression is a completely different headache. Opera Omnia also kept adding new complex systems, and eventually made the combat system worse for it too. I still like to imagine what it would have been like in an alternate universe where FFBE kept its progression structure more streamlined. More modern gacha and mobile games have gotten much better about keeping that in check, and are better for it I think. Though I do feel some games like Octopath CotC, which is probably the closest to a more modern-ish FFBE, have still been going down that same path of power scaling through increasing complexity, and it similarly has gone from being one of my favorites to too much of a headache to bother with. I know WotV is big on this channel, but it felt like it started out already unnecessarily complex and grew from there. Sword of Convallaria is much closer to what I had hoped for WotV to be from the start.

Nier Automata mobile, Opera Omnia, Visions of Mana now Brave Exvius. I will not be surprised if WoTV or Octopath Traveller : CoTC (Global/SEA) is next on the chopping block

Absolutely. The one thing you don't want lost in the shuffle is that the game was fun and the hours a team put in over the last years weren't for nothing. I might be in the minority but I liked the single player story of FFBE more than WOTV's multi POV. It felt like an old school final fantasy experience for my mobile device and I was pretty sure I would never have that. Got to set up a team of FFBE units now and kick some ass.

Damn no offline version for the story or anything

I tried playing FFBE and was overwhelmed by all the menus, popup and 8 years of mechanic bloat. Sad to see it go, especially since WoTV is following a similar path (at least that is how it seems to me). I really love WoTV, but staying caught up was getting way to expensive so I just quit spending entirely. My play style now is just logging in to do the daily stuff. As it sits, I'm one foot out the door, with the only thing really keeping me around is the community (thanks AJ, RPW and JB).

FFBE had a great beginning.... very customizable units, good graphics, and music. Unfortunately, they tried to milk too much money out of that game and a lot of initial players and whales fled.

precisely why I never invested a single dollar into these F2P mobile games. they always die at some point. I used to play FFBE many years ago and it was fun, but i can't stand gacha mechanics

I don’t play square mobile games anymore because they have a high probability of ending its services… almost all of the games I played they shut it down so not worth any investment.

GuyDoomposting4yearsago: "I knew it!"

ffbe is such a great sub series to FF and it has a great world with a lot of stories to tell, I hope what ever comes next they learn from their mistakes

Brave frontier basically the precursor of FFBE tried making a sequel while it was still active and that failed so badly I don't think it lasted long at all.

Wotv is next if gumi didn't change their stance on the player base

It's why I refuse to pat money to Squarenix ANYMORE. They just won't run their games or support them enough. It's too run by the investment board members. It's not developers making the choices of creating these games, it's the boards.

2 final fantasy gachas down the drain. DFFOO now this.

Played for 4 years, left in 2021, and spent a decent amount of money on it when I was playing. The game went really far downhill. Bosses that required new banner units, reduced drop rates, more dupes needed to max out, just one greedy decision after another. I was more disappointed about Opera Omnia closing, it would be nice to get something similar,

SE is one of the worst company when it comes to gachas. They're hyper greedy, the transactions are way too expensive, they try to force people to spend with bs excuses when they get the backlash they deserve and they have no idea how to handle powercreep in their game. They always release that one broken unit you can run to the ground and then release a bunch of underwhelming units people won't wanna pull for, so they design fight to invalidate that one op char and then will make the fight so rigid without the banner unit it boils down to pull or don't clear. But they have no excuse for the prices in their shops. And that's in ALL their gachas, not just FFBE. They have no idea what the market prices are and boy does it show. Everything is at a premium price, even thrash. They suck at it. FFBE stopped being good well before COVID. I can predict the next one to close is either WotV or Octopath CotC, these two are on the chopping block. My guess is Octopath will go out first and then WotV.

I LOVED ffbe when it came out.. it was the perfect game imo. If you got any 5 star unit you were ecstatic as they were unique and super epic. Also EACH ffbe unit has interesting trusts, amazing limit breaks and more. Imo neo visions ruined the game completely.

_No more _*_gachas_*_ , only _*_GAMES_*

FFTactics being one of my fave games in the series I was excited for WOTV, I played it for while but I just couldn't get that into it. To me, SoC is what WOTV should have been.

Hope the sword of convallaria can survive 😢😢😢😢

gumi is not own by Square Enix, so FFBE 2 is not possible. gumi Japan also dying slowly at the moment sadly.

Hackers/homebrewers need to get their hands on the code and assets. They'll make an actual *game* out of thie wasted potential gacha.

FFBE JP server will still be live, for those who have a JP account. I wouldn't be surprised if the global getting EoS is because of new consumer rights laws in the EU.

They need to make a non gacha FFBE. Hell a 3d movie would be amazing. RIP Shally... So sad her last piece of work going through EOS.

I remember hearing that square Enix wants to veer away from gacha games.

Lets Ride till it dies for FFBE anyone have a friend code I can start on?

wotv is going to be mi last gacha gamei dont care if they lauch another thing next

Last gumi game I ever spend on tbh....

I started ffbe at launch. personally I think the game went downhill with dark visions when the game went all in on whale only content, and gl made it even harder than the jp version to make rank, and the reward structure was pretty bad outside the top 10. it got worse with clash of wills, where we got similar content but required basically an entire seperate set of units tailored for it, and that was basically all the games content for the last four years or so. you whaled to compete for first place in dark visions and clash of wills, or auto battled through brainless events where your units don't matter.

Honestly, I don’t see WOTV going anywhere any time soon. I’m not sure if the rumors are true but it seems that the developers got burnt out on FFBE and want to shift their focus more onto WOTV. Which I don’t blame them for if that’s the case. FFBE’s prime was during the first 4 years. The last 4 years of FFBE were really stale and wasn’t really catching. They lost a lot of their player base and they weren’t generating enough money. So why keep the game going? But here’s my take on them deleting the accounts. I think it’s a huge slap in the face. They shouldn’t just delete our accounts. They re released a lot of the old events and took out paid bundles and replaced them with lapis. They should let the players keep their accounts for memories. I was a day one player. I quit for a couple years and came back during the 7th anniversary and was completely f2p. I have enjoyed it since then. But to completely delete our accounts.. man, it’s so heartbreaking. A lot of people have spent tons of money and time in the game and it’s just being thrown away. I don’t know if I even want to give WOTV more money at this point. And I am also a day one WOTV player. Idk man. This is such a tragedy.

Bring back Mobius!!

No way!! I was hoping it'd be like Dokkan Battle, the game that sticks around forever despite everything. I haven't played it in ages, but I'm still sad to see it go.

Hey, JP were celebrating 9 years. For GL, you get EoS. Really feels like a slap in the face.

Same as that is the only place it can get lighting and Notcis in a team now Edit to add: the Final Fantasy Portal App is getting rid of Triple Triad.

Square killed off Dragon Quest Tact not to long ago also. Maybe its impossible but i wish they could be more open about how much money they need to make to keep the game running so the community at least has a potential to keep it alive

Woah. I literally just re-logged in on WotV. Sad news for FFBE. I tried it 2 years after launch- too hard to learn for me. SE should learn from Gravity. Ragnarok Mobile (Eternal Love) got fully upgraded. More like overhauled and is now called Ragnarok Mobile: Eternal Love 2.0. They made it on par with modern MMOs. Gravity really did a good job on that one. Surprised with the balances on WotV. My alt 120 fire units can now defeat 140 ice team. Never happened before. I can now feel the elemental adv/disadv. My main dark and light teams kinda turned awesome. I never thought I'd win in arena against high rankers. I didn't even tweak the truststones yet. But I'm back for the story. Hehe.

Just deleted WOTV this morning. Couldn't do the crappy summon rates anymore. Hope the new one comes soon.

I used to play Final Fantasy Record Keeper and I'm here just to say to not hurt yourself hoping in a sequel. It could happens but most likely doesn't. There was no FFRK 2, no Mobius 2, no DFFOO 2 and kinda hard there will be FFBE 2 but there will be always other FF mobile gatcha games, so next one could be your successor to FFBE

I think the sad think about the brave exvius universe (and all other FF gacha exclusive universes if there are any) is that their world effectively will disappear once all the gacha games naturally EOS. You can go back to play old FF games, but not terminated gachas... For WOTV specifically it sucks a bit because I'm sure I've heard some answers to questions in the game are in FFBE- I think the Will of Light's entire plotline is in that game actually.

Sad day shut up and take my money

man it sure was fun to see a lot of old friends become playable characters again . :)

Ive been predicting this for a while , and people didnt want to believe it :)

I’ve been always saying this… I knew this game it was gonna close… and I’ve been always saying don’t ever play a Squarenix - Capcom gacha ever… Squarenix close book of visions, Dissidia, Mobius… they created the worst failed remake ever.. they don’t listen to their customers and they are delusional they don’t respect the true fans just look for modern audience , they don’t respect their true fanbase… and after every single fail you ask for another game?… you all should be boycotting the company so you can get an offline mode of this game… this is the problem people consume blindly and have no common sense and they don’t teach to these companies that your money and respect deserve attention… you as a youtuber what you should be doing is creating a petition to make and offline version of this game… sorry for the harsh comment but people need to wake up Squarenix is horrible and unreliable they don’t deserve nobody’s attention..

I loved the game. I played daily and was a spender until NV came out. Then I totally quit and never went back.

It was a great game for a time. I played Brave Frontier and then started FFBE. Left at 6 star characters, then they added 7 and promised no more…cue neo visions and I came back to check it out again. Over the course of about 9 months I saw how terribly the game was being managed and how little they valued their customers. Not just f2p - ALL customers. They treated their player base like trash and although I’m sad to see a game that I enjoyed go EoS, I’m happy to see Gumi fail after how they ran FFBE into the ground. SE will never learn their lesson so I doubt there’s any joy to be had there. The only long term SE game I play is FFXIV because I know that game will continue to have support, and a leader who does want the game to succeed and not just be a cash grab. RIP FFBE. You were a good game that got done dirty by corporate greed and poor management.

I played FFBE at the begining, it was great but once I was done with main story, secrets and all, I kinda left. Then once I returned units had extra rareity and was soo far behind I had options. Restart my acc and do everything again or not play... welp

Sad the big company like SE cannot keep the mobile games going i still miss mobius ff, nier reincarnation, dissidia opera omnia, etc. whats next WOTV or ff7ec? at this point they can just dont do mobile games and focus on consoles like ffx-3? or remakes?

This isn't the first. FF Record keeper was discontinued a few years ago as well. I'll miss both games.

It was a good run, there were good memories, I’m glad I played for as long as I did (not until EoS), and I hope whatever comes next is amazing.

Idk if I was the only one but I thought WOTV and FFBE were the same thing before I played WOTV. Because they had the Brave Exvius name in it

I'm convinced FF7: Ever Crisis is what's making SE shut down other mobile gacha's. It has a more modern FTP model that is good for their company, but bad for us. Also, I stopped playing FFBE when it was starting to get carried away with keeping up with progression as a FTP player. I jumped to Another Eden which was great...until they also now started doing the same.

Should iterate that its FFBE global thats shutting down,not FFBE JP. So we *could* still get unit crossovers...if WotV is still around that is. Im hoping for Physalis in WotV

I spent thousands on FFBE in the first few years, collecting five stars from my favourite games and enjoyed many of the challenging mega bosses. The same day they added NVs which is basically 6 stars, i realized i had been duped all along as my thousands of dollars were power crept over night. Uninstalled and never looked back.

what ever happened to the team that was working on the Mobius Final Fantasy game?

Well, the JP version is not going on, but I wish it migrated to JP servers to Alim. FFBE is what kicked a lot of stuff off.

The downfall of ffbe imo is toxic reddit people always being negative and screaming it at the devs acting like straight up children the just don't understand how to not complain and just move on to another game if their not happy. I played ffbe from launch and never missed a log in in 8 years and today i just unistalled 😓

When u see units dealing multi trillions of points of damage with multiple hits it honesty becomes a game of ‘my D is bigger then your D’ quit the game years ago because you could see where it was headed. Same thing is happening with WoV to a degree where they stopped release normal cards and now every card they release is a holo card. It’s ok to just release normal stuff as long as it’s good. Too much of a good thing sums it up. 🤷🏻‍♂️

From brave frontier to alchemist code global to now WotV? Truly disheartening… Edit: OH OG EXIVUS IS GOING!! Dang…

Essay Incoming: It's been a while since I've watched one of your vids since I quit WOTV a long time ago! Glad to see you're still doing well. I quit FFBE the same time I quit WOTV, but I saw the news and I just saw this video and I do have a lot to say about it. I could probably make my own YT video about it if that was my thing. I played FFRK for years and I also quit that about a year before they announced they were closing. Same for FFBE. And I'm not purposely being a doomer when I say that WOTV is heading in the same direction. It doesn't have as much to do with greedy decisions as people seem to think it does. The biggest issue they all face, and FF7 Ever Crisis is seeing this as well, is feature/mechanic bloat. These games come out and they're fairly simple, they're easy to get into and that causes great initial success. By the time they're several years old, they keep having new feature upon feature and constant new mechanics added. I'm a software engineer and I can tell you this is not just annoying for old players, daunting for new players, but also a nightmare for the developers of the game. There *needs* to be some kind of power creep long term, but the way that all of these FF games try to solve that power creep is by adding new systems to the game. It's a terrible philosophy. Your long term players will eventually burn out, like I did, but then new players can't get into the game either because it's so hard to just get started. If I were to try to return to WOTV after just a year off of it, I wouldn't even know where to start. FFRK and FFBE were the same way. There are good new features and bad new features for the longevity of a game. FFBE introducing CG LBs was a GREAT new feature. It gave players a reason to be hype for units and added no extra complexity to the game. No new currencies, no new bottleneck. Raising the rarity cap multiple times is a bad new feature. It complicates the games further, makes most old characters totally irrelevant, and on top of that they keep adding new bottlenecks and currencies to keep up with. I have said this for years ~ getting the characters in the gacha is enough. Adding arbitrary currencies and systems that you have to deal with to then make those characters useful is too much. Let us pull the new character, use the new character. That's it. Period. Lastly, a game that I know of that doesn't have this problem. The one game that I've been playing for about 8 years that is close to its 10 year anniversary and will be going for a nice long time is Dragon Ball Z Dokkan Battle. That game still regularly hits top grossing on the app stores after 9 and a half years for both JP and Global and I think the biggest reason to the success is the ease of access. It's not a complicated game. There are not 20 different ways for you to upgrade a character. You summon and get the new character, you throw some easy to get mats at it to level up the character and their super attack, click a button to fill out the hidden potential system and the character is ready to go. You CAN summon for dupes of the character to further strengthen it, but generally speaking, you're good to go with the one copy. You will get more passively via trying to get other new characters later on. The numbers keep growing, power creep keeps happening, but the fundamental parts of the game stay the same. On top of that, the system they did add called Extreme Z Awakening takes very old characters and makes them genuinely useful again for the most part. All pros, no cons. The game isn't perfect by a long shot, but I think it is a great example of my idea that the philosophy of these FF games to continuously add new systems and mechanics to their game is a bad one. And it's a shame because I've always just wanted those games to succeed as well.

Let's be honnest. I think i will never play a new FF gatcha. For many reasons: - They can killed the game whenever (stil not over DFFOO, now FFBE, why trying another one..?) - FFEC is bad. Like really bad. So i don't think they learn a thing. - The RNG are so bad in theses games it's a joke. They don't try to hide the all thing is just a massive cash grab. And because i don't have a PS5, i will not be able to play FF anymore. It is what it is.

My biggest wish is for so many unique characters along with Rain and Lasswell to be incorporated or at least cameo for other Final Fantasy products

I thoroughly enjoyed both WOTV and FFBE, and having spent probably a grand all said and done over the years, it became apparent that there was no way to be competitive without spending a considerable amount of money on what is essentially an NFT. Many necessary banners I busted on. They expect people to fork over hundreds of dollars to get new or limited units. Not because that's what they're valued, but because they can and it's an industry standard. These gacha's can fuck right off. Money is too precious. Time is too precious.

The JP side of FFBE is still going on with them just now celebrating their 9th Anniversary and Square Enix has been pulling out of the gacha scene for a while at least in the west since it’s just not profitable as it was for them a couple years ago especially when Genshin dropped which pushed the capabilities of what a gacha could be and FFBE Global might not be the only one closing down this year as Octopath COTC Global might follow them as they’re doing what FFBE Global did with reduced and cut content. I really hope we get another FFBE titles but it seems unlikely especially since Gumi is working on a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure gacha game so the FFBE Global team might’ve been moved to that.

Double slap. I kind of stopped playing Opera Omnia when Ever Crisis came out. But Ever Crisis, imo, is the opposite of DFFOO in the sense that it was the worst when it coems to monetisation and game systems. But it does capatilise on 7 overhype. Sad that I didn't know that DFFOO was closing down. I would've gone back to it to play one last time. If I had a request it would be for mobius. I really liked that game!

I played FFBE from launch until they started requiring you to pull 2 copies of a character to make them playable. I played WOTV from launch until a couple of years ago. I'll never play another Gumi game. Their games are so scummy and low effort. Having played several other gachas since that don't rapid fire banners at you with insane power creep every week has made me realize just how bad the FFBE games are. Their events and "collabs" are the bare minimum effort. I will not miss them one bit.

Sqex track records of shutting down games if it doesn't make prokit levels to what they want is indisputable. Having played a decent amount of their gacha games just to have it shut down has turned me off from ever playing any of their gacha games. Just to name a few that I have played and spent money on: mobius, record keeper, nier R, Star Ocean Anamnesis, and now FFBE. This doesn't even account for their more recent shut downs. Stay far away from their gacha game, they don't know how to maintain players. Their games are designed just to pump and dump you as the player.

While I think it will be another year or two, WotV is probably going to be ending soon as well. Its monetization system has been awful compared to other popular gacha, it demands money to upgrade characters within the time frame they are relevant. Other gacha games respect players money more by not requiring multiple copies or paid currency to have viable units, whereas WotV does. If you want to use units in PVP or endgame content, you need them at least 120, but usually 140 with decent reincarnation upgrades. New systems added don't improve the gameplay, they just amp the amount needed to spend to keep up. That doesn't show respect to players, it just milks money from them. With PVP focused games, that always ends up the problem down the line. Compare that to Hoyo games or Kuro games (even Sword of Convallaria, which is essentiallythe same genre type as WotV), where one copy of a new unit is all you need, and it feels like WotV is very greedy and trying to keep afloat by sucking whales dry. I saw the writing on the wall about a year ago and left the game. I occasionally come back for big collabs or events, but I still see the same issues that plagued the game back when i first left, and usually they become worse, not better. For those that enjoy it, keep on playing while you can, but i don't think you will have much longer with it.

Gumi is not only greedy, but also forces players to spend more time in game so they can mine their metrics. I'm blocking WoTV from accessing my location.

I started FFBE late into its lifespan and I enjoyed the time I spent but it got to be too much to deal with. I at least was present for the Nier collab rerun and got the units so I had a blast with that. It's a longshot but I hope Gumi re-evaluates WoTV and tries to actually set it up to succeed for the long run but their recent decisions makes me feel they are heading in the same direction as FFBE. At this time I am sticking with WoTV as one of my gacha games.