End of Rationality: The politics of mental pathology

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End of Rationality: The politics of mental pathology
Dr. Bandy X Lee
Forensic psychiatrist
In conversation with:
Jonathan Lemire
Journalist, MSNBC “Way Too Early” host
White House Bureau Chief for Politico
03/13/24
In the new era of politics, the psychological manipulation of voters is seen as more expedient than offering and driving solutions for citizens' core issues. In Social Media's stupor, the truth seems to be freely opposed, devalued, or at best ignored. To win public office today, performance politics and tugging on constituents' emotional strings are increasingly more powerful tools than offering field expertise and policy solutions. This unmooring from reality is contagious, numbing, and self-sustaining; it is the biggest threat to our democracy.
In a wide-ranging and timely conversation with Jonathan Lemire, world-renowned forensic psychiatrist Dr. Bandy Lee shares insights on the importance of mental fitness in candidates and also the collective mental health of their core supporters. Dr. Lee points out the ineffectiveness of traditional methods of fighting misinformation and emphasizes the crucial role politically unaffiliated, neutral mental health professionals could play in explaining the mass psychosis and mitigating its growth. She also offers guidance on how we can all contribute to restoring faith in democratic institutions and in truth.
Time is allocated for Q&A.

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@luckystoller6171 2 месяца назад

As an attorney and Constitutional scholar I support Dr. Lee's legal obligation to warn citizens and the voting public of a danger she recognizes under the Tarasoff doctrine. She is a gift to us and we need to listen and honor her.

@no1nderwhy 2 месяца назад

Yes, the initial concern brought to Washington, was not political, yet obviously would effect a politician. The concern, a public health emergency. 06/2024 Dr.Bandy Lee warning was diverted and suppressed, initially by Allan Dershowitz complaint to Yale University followed by the APA, resulting in advancing a campaign against democracy. At the time, it was considered hyperbolic that our entire judicial system and government was the target. Over the past few years, Europe and members of NATO have begun to reorganize their security planning without America support. They feel they have plan realistically, given the impact trump and the Republican/Maga has had globally. Fiona Hill has participated in the think tanks. They don't exclude America and will protect America, but are not safe to rely on us, their geological proximity to Putin, what they feel they are addressing is, coordinating of a reorganization of a new world order. The key is to protect democracy. So, Dr.Bandy X Lee, What she perceived as a public emergency, was an extremely spot on and remarkably accurate call.

@no1nderwhy Месяц назад

@@kimbee5792 violence, violence is the concern.

@mpaul7731 28 дней назад

@@luckystoller6171 "The emperor has no cloths!"

@gb3729 3 месяца назад

I hope the APA will be held accountable for ending our democracy.

@9000ck 3 месяца назад

The APA are not held accountable for anything. The overuse of psychotropics in the US is a scandal.

@Xaxtarr_Neonraven 3 месяца назад

The APA and Psychiatry in general has built a citadel like all citadels, a priesthood, if you will, that assumes all knowledge unto itself. The APA should be about education. Paraphrasing Erich Fromm, the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know. "Why should society feel responsible only for the education of children, and not for the education of all adults of every age?"

@no1nderwhy 2 месяца назад

Allan dershowitz trumps lawyer, also Yale alma matter, made the complaint about Dr.Bandy X Lee which was the beginning of Publicly Maga counter attack upon Dr.BandyX Lee. Yale University and APA failure to support a call to protect society, is paramount to our current battle to protect democracy. Would we not be concerned, should the same influencers and coordinators who abducted patty hearst, were to overtake a political party base. Yet, even more effectively,all of those tactics enhanced with current technology, Successfully have done so, with further collateral damage to extended parts of society, families,non political people the list goes on.

@Lou_Mansfield Месяц назад

The supreme court gave presidential immunity to Trump for "official acts". bye bye democracy

@ednalama4244 4 месяца назад

Thank you Jonathan Lemire and Dr Bandi Lee, this discussion and the clarity of looking at the facts is soo important! Please continue these discussions and bring them to platforms like MSNBC. please help the people to access this information and wake up!

@nancybartley4610 3 месяца назад

These are not facts; they are opinions. Most are taken out of context. She considers an authority on someone she has never treated. She is breaking one of the most foundational components of our government: we are innocent until proven guilty. Trump told the protesters on Jan. 6 to exercise peacefully they political right to protest. Instead she choses to mindread, one of the tendencies of many mentally unhealthy people. Instead of seeing he calmed Korean down, she sees him as almost causing a nuclear war. He prevented a nuclear war. Are these people who diagnosis from a distance also deeply studying Obama, Hilary and Bill, Nancy Pelosi, etc. Fair is fair. Who is President now because any rational person has to doubt Biden is? Most of our leaders may well be narcissists. Trump has his faults, but me thinks you protest too much.

@lagraphiste8705 3 месяца назад

Put her on MSNBC fast!!!! Time is running out!

@Diaz.et.Pam. 3 месяца назад

Thank you Dr. Lee and Jonathan Lemire.

@theresestcoeur5381 2 месяца назад

JONATHAN LEMIRE !❤ THANK YOU FOR HAVING DR. LEE .SUPER!❣️🇨🇦💙💙💙.

@4343DEB 3 месяца назад

A most interesting, important discussion. I hope that this is broadcast more widely so that people can be better informed on the serious issues that were raised. I have been curious, since 2016, about how millions of people can be "hypnotised" to the point where many of them sound totally deranged and delusional. If I had the opportunity, I would ask "what effect, if any, might the calm, tranquil music and the deliberate change in Trump's voice where he speaks in a soft, almost monotone voice at a particular point in his rallies, might have on the people in the crowd?" I've heard this a couple of times and it sounds creepy, deliberate and manipulative. I am so glad that I chanced upon this interview; thank you.

@crazysailr 3 месяца назад

Indeed! Trump is a self taught hypnotist of considerable skill. Did you know used to keep an English translation of all of the speeches of Adolph Hitler at his bedside? Trump uses many of the tools of mass communication to remarkably good effect. Yes he’s a complete tool, but he certainly knows how a thing or two about how to capture a crowd.

@ivanasimic2072 Месяц назад

I would be honored to have Dr. Lee as a mentor, we need people like that over here in europe

@thomasjones7115 4 месяца назад

Dr. Lee’s expertise explains in detail the psychopathic dynamic between trump and his followers at the expense of rationality they do not possess ….

@mint5221 4 месяца назад

Thanks, Dr. Lee and Jonathan. This and MANY more discussions with Dr. Lee and her fellow experts are crucial informative truths that the American public ought to be receiving throughout the days and nights on mainstream TV on CNN, MSNBC, and other channels. We should not continue to accept that we all deserve to be burdened with putting up with this pathology rather than being offered the truth.

@subobing3551 3 месяца назад

I wish she was on at least once a week on every channel!

@myralhf 4 месяца назад

We are social animals. Someone is manipulating to his own end. Listen to Banden Lee, truth be spoken hear...! He is a danger to everything he touches...

@KatyYoder-cq1kc 4 месяца назад

Yes however there is severe dysfunction on both sides fostering and fueling polarization across the world.

@phylis3917 3 месяца назад

Manipulating to his own end.

@phylis3917 3 месяца назад

Trashing John McCain gave us the creeps. That’s when we KNEW. A lurking cruelty and hidden pathology just from vibes. 🧘🏿🔮

@susanyu6507 4 месяца назад

Thank you for this enlightening presentation by both Jonathan and Bandy. It kinds of ties everything together as to what we've all seen, lived through, these past few years.

@klir2m 4 месяца назад

Hopefully he can help her get back on MSM.

@veraorthlieb Месяц назад

I appreciate you both. Thank you, Bandy and Jonathan.

@beefandbarley 3 месяца назад

Thanks for sharing this. 💙

@no1nderwhy 2 месяца назад

Tyvm for this excellent discussion. Tyvm Dr.Bandy X Lee for your expertise, as a society, we are very fortunate, you have stood tall and continue with this message of anti violence.

@sueauclair8704 4 месяца назад

Excellent discussion and so needed.

@subobing3551 3 месяца назад

Thank you so much for this vitally important talk ! I will be sharing this!

@Rnankn 3 месяца назад

It seems to be another manifestation of an epistemic crisis. The success of the modern world is based on disciplinarity, specialization and professional siloization. By requiring knowledge and practice ‘stick to its lane’, wider consequences and a holistic perspective are silenced. It is why psychological pathology can remain undiagnosed in political leaders, why atmospheric pollution is an environmental, but not economic issue. Etc.

@Xaxtarr_Neonraven 3 месяца назад

Education is always a good thing. Repression of education not so much. Often, healing requires education. Somewhere, we've lost the connection. Psychiatry was never a priesthood, but all too many fields of endeavor have become priesthoods. People are capable of understanding and it does absolutely no one any good to withhold knowledge for political reasons. When healers become priests who hold the power and the sacred knowledge, health becomes nothing more than a power game.

@mpaul7731 3 месяца назад

I have a duty to warn

@mpaul7731 Месяц назад

"THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHS "

@ivanasimic2072 Месяц назад

Wonderful women, she is real expert

@rochcarothers-ts3jx 3 месяца назад

Obliged--in civil society -- to warn of ANY danger:fire,gun,thief,danger, rape,murder, flood,avalanche,etc.#2,anyone can observe,no diagnosis needed:)

@barefootmum Месяц назад

Thank you for speaking out

@loridyer3625 3 месяца назад

👏 👏 👏 👏

@dianewhalen9721 2 месяца назад

Man oh man .Your interview should be on all the networks.Tic Toc Instragam!

@mpaul7731 Месяц назад

We must be careful that we don't comitt any thought crimes.

@karenwarner3343 2 месяца назад

Candidates should submit a mental fitness test with the required number of signatures when they apply to be on a state primary.

@witwisniewski2280 Месяц назад

Does this discussion imply that this nation has some ~100million narcissistically wounded citizens who need a cult leader to nurse their sense of self worth? That would be our number one treat to national security.

@witwisniewski2280 Месяц назад

Education is key, but its failure is that psychologist/psychiatrists have not taught us how to protect our own minds. We clearly have "back doors" to our minds that can be used by sick and nefarious individuals to victimize us. We need to learn how to detect and defend our own minds from attack.

@iggy711 Месяц назад

I don’t get it. Dr. Lee is right in front of us, with expertise that given a larger platform and acknowledgement by a media that features celebrities rather than career experts is so frustrating. We, the public have no idea what is happening behind scenes to prevent Dr. Lee’s voice from being heard. Dr. Fauci is a true go to with his history and respect in the area of infectious disease. I would say Dr. Lee is the equivalent in her field. I watch MSNBC and Nicolle Wallace, Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid, Ali Velshi and Lawrence O’Donnell are my go to’s. NW recently ended a segment, almost as an afterthought with a comment that she could use an expert in mental health. Who does MSNBC turn to? George Conway (lawyer) and Mary Trump (trained psychologist and family member). Both are important worth their backgrounds and experience, but they cannot replace Dr. Lee and her colleagues whose sole purpose is to address the dangerous decline of our society’s public health!!! Get her out there for more people to hear! Please!

@nicknaque2261 Месяц назад

I believe the people who are most in need of this information will only listen to white males, shouting and cursing with raised fists...I might be wrong, but I don't think I am.

@mpaul7731 3 месяца назад

I think everyone is nuts except for me and Dr. Brandy Lee, sometimes I'm not so sure about her either!

@joesandbank3645 2 месяца назад

Imagine a Trumper sitting through even two minutes of this rational thought…

@no1nderwhy 2 месяца назад

You can see in this thread how they respond. Denile,counter attack. No rational discussion. Take a look

@no1nderwhy 2 месяца назад

They are here, look at the comments.

@sharonhearne5014 4 месяца назад

Trump has a feral instinct toward control and power dominance as a unique kind of intelligence; however, he is not brilliant or well educated so those in his political support base such as Bannon, Manifort, Stone, Miller, etc., and have ushered Trump through the political process because he was already a known public figure who had glamor and name appeal that they could manipulate on the American political scene.

@lexluthor9509 4 месяца назад

His reputation was always as a grifter. When that many support a known grifter, we need to reevaluate what evolution actually is.

@nicknaque2261 Месяц назад

You're absolutely correct.

@user-nj9ru4ef2w 2 месяца назад

So thinking that men can be women and women can be men is not the end of rationality? Thinking that the entire universe only consists of the oppressor and oppressed is not the end of rationality?

@no1nderwhy 2 месяца назад

There isn't a problem, until violence becomes an element. After that, I'm not sure of your point.

@user-nj9ru4ef2w 2 месяца назад

@@no1nderwhy Who gave you the right to define violence as the only undesirable thing in the entire universe to avoid? Truth doesn't matter, goodness doesn't matter, as long as there's no "violence" (as defined by you), nothing else matters. Where is your proof?

@markg.7865 27 дней назад

Let's not forget all help Chump gets from right-wing media to spread his lies.

@mpaul7731 3 месяца назад

Psychiatry defiles and dehumanizes the very essence of humanity.

@smartiepancake 2 месяца назад

Why does she have to read her remarks? And what does that suggest?

@no1nderwhy 2 месяца назад

It suggests that when humans get in front of cameras during interiews, it's helpful to watch the interview cues. Theres a little box to the side of the screen during zoom interviews. Some people will add their followers and see their comments. Some people just have the notes concerning the current interview. It's helpful when you can see how much time is left on the clock.

@Diaz.et.Pam. 2 месяца назад

It suggests nothing. What are you looking for?

@mpaul7731 2 месяца назад

It's amazing what you can get by with if just get "doctor" before you name.

@no1nderwhy 2 месяца назад

It's amazing what you can pull off, if you call yourself trump.

@mpaul7731 Месяц назад

We need to get someone else in there so we can stop being burden by what has been!!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

@dukecity7688 3 месяца назад

We were safer with him in office than Joe Biden.

@markg.7865 27 дней назад

No, that clown wanted to bomb Mexico, had to be talking out of it.

@onetwo19 3 месяца назад

I've always found it comical how so many people believe Trump is somehow worse than other presidents. Trump is pretty awful but you have to know nothing about Bush, CLinton, Obama and Biden to believe that trump is somehow worse...

@seventone4039 4 месяца назад

No Wonder why nobody takes her seriously. Fired by her University, outcasted by the APA, stuttering and a lot of unspecified claims without any legal basis. This unethical case is the best example why there are ethical rules in place and necessary.

@beauthentic7493 4 месяца назад

You have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Dr. LEE is a maverick. They always get high resistance. Educate yourself so that you don't continue being a Maga moron.

@nicholettej1742 3 месяца назад

Oh my.. you’re behind -

@4343DEB 3 месяца назад

I would respectfully disagree; her "claims" are not unspecified - she was very specific about examples to support her professional judgements. I'm not sure what you mean by "legal basis" - all that the Doctor discussed is either public knowledge or a psychiatric/ scientific/medical fact. Calling this "unethical" is, as is your comment that "nobody takes her seriously" simply a subjective personal perspective. My personal perspective is that this conversation is important and one that all people should have access to, in order to make their own informed opinion.

@data7315 3 месяца назад

@@4343DEB So you think ethical rules doesn't matter? In this case she acts from the same, unethical perspective then Trump. Sorry, we don't need wannabe saviors which act to the same standards as the Gangsters himself, we need and deserve better, espacialy if there was already a case of missuse in the past, in the case of Senator Goldwater which was also running for the Office of the President of the United States to. The Rule is in effect for a very good reason. If you are not fine with it, reform it but do not simply ignore important safeguards for ethical behavior.

@seventone4039 3 месяца назад

@@4343DEB Facts? Where are the facts?? I see only Armchair TV diagnostics. More so, even in her own YT Channel streams her own friends told her she cannot be so sure about certain stuff. If you want to have legal action in place for psychological reasons you need water proof evidence. No fuzzy or warm feelings - REAL facts which can be used in a court of law. I can tell you Mrs. Lee wouldn't survive the first round with a Trump lawer, he would dismatle and eat her for breakfist in minutes, thats why nobody ask her for her "expertise".