Ending the Maki vs Hakari Debate 

What chapter? Well I guess what arc

@@BooskiD If it was during the perfect preparation arc it was a flashback to the time frame of the perfect preparation arc but I don't remember the exact chapter I just remember the panel.

@@BooskiD If it was during the perfect preparation arc it was a flashback to the time frame of the perfect preparation arc but I don't remember the exact chapter I just remember the panel.

i mean we also have Kenjaku and Yuki basically saying Tengen is a pseudo-intellectual with armchair knowledge over actual experience and we're literally fucking told trusting him isn't a good idea so i dunno about that lel whats more likely is the info dump fails because sorcerers don't think about the possibility of it missing so they don't think about other means of ensuring it hits because to a sorcerer cursed energy is everything and tend to be conditioned towards certain patterns or ways of thinking so most don't plan for when their expectations are proven wrong or fail to actually account for the situation kek this wide range of thinking and preparation along with adaptability is actually one of the main things that sets Sukuna above almost if not everyone in JJK, he's simply seen more and thought up more counters or potential what ifs than most others and doesn't have the same restrictions that Jujutsu society and the modern day impose on most others

he can enter in jackpot so if his domain counts maki as a object then hakari could still use it its not like someone has to be in the domain for it to work

not really, maki's domain invulnerability is useless in this matchup. Hakari's domain is a buff for himself, its not mean to be a sure hit

@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411i mean I sincerely doubt hakari can just open his domain without an opponent. And even if he can once he is in jackpot maki could just hide for 5 minutes fully recover her damage and then attack him when jackpot ends

Hakari's DE is non-lethal, which means the "rules" of the domain must be explained in order for the domain to work. Hakari's sure hit is the rules, and maki cant be targeted which means no jackpot​@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411

​@@justyouraveragehumanbeing7411Hakari's DE is non-lethal, which means the "rules" of the domain must be explained in order for the domain to work. Hakari's sure hit is the rules, and maki cant be targeted which means no jackpot

@Arandomperson944 the easy explanation is that maki is personally familiar with hakari and would know how his abilities work and vice versa. But assuming she doesn’t for the sake of the matchup she would be able to figure it out after the first jackpot round since no way is hakari beating her in 1 round

It is

You're right! You're so right!!!!!

Hakari: Nah id win

W

Maki is not winning lmaoo, stop glazing so hard

It is but from what we've seen he was still just able to move his head

Because it homes and is way faster than the verse.

@@jackaboynaylor9273the lightning works with charges that attract each other so yeah you can’t dodge it

yes but he could only just about move his head if he was fast enough would of just tagged his hand but it took his whole arm

@@JD-ws3lk You can but JJK doesn't have the travel speed to outpace the bolt and weave around it until it disappears.

Not probably, definitely, u literally can’t heal the soul so he would just get low diffed. She also doesn’t get effected by domains

@@narisdeuce 🤓Uhm acktually, Maki is only not effected by the sure hit of domains, domains such as sukuna's will still hit her

​@@Pomet-w8yonly the dismantle not cleave also sukuna has to manually target maki.

​@@narisdeucewhere do u get you cant heal the soul?

@@barebevil. todos hand that was damaged by mahito

I mean Maki already knows about him and his domain so it would work on specifically her

Sukuna’s only targets the buildings because he has an open domain without a barrier that hits everything in a 200 meter radius.

@@Sincaisen0784 it is possible that Sukuna’s only hits objects, but we also haven’t seen a domain actively attempt to include objects/attempt to hit Maki so we can’t know for sure and I’d lean to the fact that they probably can hit her if they decide to, they can’t just automatically do it

@@nerdcorner2680 No, dismantle hits objects while cleave is for things with ce, its a special rule made by sukuna.

Picking targets is a huge feat for domain users. We have no reason to think Hikari can

Yes the lightning strike locks onto the victim so it will always hit

Hakari isn't a lightning timer anyway since maki is only a bit faster than curse Naoya who moved at I believe mach 3 and there is maybe 1 or 2 people faster than maki in the series, none of which are hakari. Light speed feats are dumb anyway cause anyone who has lightspeed feats should reasonably have the power to destroy planets or at least continents, cause just moving at light speed would have enough energy to do so at any human weight.

@@teknoreaper9232 yes but you’re piggybacking off real world physics with your last statement. You just have to take what the author gives you. I’m not saying the light speed feats are concrete either, but it’s not because of the “real world” implications that you’re saying. Also, there’s have been more occasions of people reacting to bullets or piercing bloods (casually) as well as reacting to lightning (not jus kashimo but Nue too) so while the speed scaling is inconsistent, I would go with the higher interpretation.

@@teknoreaper9232 also, why would maki only be a little above Mach 3? Not arguing just genuinely curious how u scale her.

Fiction works a lil differently when it comes to characters moving at ridicously fast speeds btw

Nah, Hakari could move the barrier’s coordinates

@@jocoolshow him doing that isn't fast so I'm not sure how your picturing that.

No they can't Hakari Instantly when to Fight Kashimo while the effects of his domain were still happening

Can you read? Maki says that This is Not true after yuta finishes his sentence hakari could never defeat yuta or maki

That guy probably has a contract with reading comprehension devil @@sapomen1352

Not because naruto says that Sakura can beat him means that she will . Yuta only said this statement bcs he is humble, and also in a way to compliment hakari and be freinds and give him another reason to help them aside from wanting to free gojo. Hakari's feats aren't enough to carry him through the statement yuta said .

Yeah, maki literally has no feat and would have died to cursed Naoya if it wasn't 1 vs 4 lmao + Gojo literally stated that if he loses it would be UP to Hakari and Yuuta to carry Yet they compare that to Hakari foghting Hajime fucking Kashimo, the STRONGEST of his time . And he compares Kashimo to Shibuya Choso ???? The amount of misinterpretation and meatriding in this video IS craaaaaazy

Jjk fans once again not understanding that matchups exist...

Which anime

@@muhammadharisfirdausbinhairuzalobotomy kalisen

Hakari barrier domain won't work on Maki & Toji, this was stated in culling games arc. Only Sukuna Barrierless DE can hit Maki and Toji. Maki one shot Base Hakari with her brute strength or soul cutter weapon.

Doesnt work like that, to heal the soul you need to be familiar with it

@@goji-0045 ? how can infinity be unfamiliar? Hakari doesnt even know RCT but his jackpot forced it out to avoid death. Why would it be any different with Soul Damage?

Mahito was still stronger

@@random0activity true but Yuji is immune to idle transfiguration and his domain. Yuji was the only one who could touch and therefore hurt Mahito's soul

So Hakari would win? What's you're point

@@Grayson-Winchester Yeah but he needed the support of Todo, Sukuna, Nobara and Luck to defeat Mahito. So the match up is more of an impairment than a counter

​@@Grayson-Winchesteris sukuna able to hurt mahito?

Or they found out Hakari can lose😱😱 But fr tho, give Hakari fans a fight with 20 F fresh Meguna and they will somehow argue for him winning

​@@mortalrangeryeah man hakari fans started tripping they are gonna argue him defeating gojo and sukuna at the same time because "İmMoRtAliTy" lol

Just wait for S3 lmao, everyone ass will switch up

how would sukuna beat hakari?@@mortalranger

@@jeffbell9129 it's a joke about Hakari Glazers (He cool)

That was an incomplete domain though if I remember clearly they entered it by opening a door in a room. It was basically like Megumi's domain.

@@EmmanuelGbiaye it was incomplete really

I’m pretty sure he said to activate domain not to keep it up you might need a target to activate the domain but maybe not to keep it up (also they had kenjaku and mahito they could’ve easily just left a cursed spirit or transfig human in there as the target but it’s not confirmed and choso wasn’t really shown until shibuya I’m pretty sure unless I’m trippin so he could’ve been there to)

@@EmmanuelGbiayedagons domain wasn’t incomplete or at least it never said it was

​​​@@EmmanuelGbiayedagon is the 5th best domain user in the series, he's able to actually turn off his sure hit. And is able to hold his domain for weeks on end. dagons kinda him (using domains) untill we hit gojo,sukuna,kenjaku and yuta.

ok man

Always bet on hakkari 💸🔥🔥🔥

ALWAYS BET ON HAKARI!!!🔥🔥🔥

she 16, i CANNOT be your lawyer dawg 😭🙏

@@_shura she's 16 and so am i, no need for lawyer buddy

@@_shuraWE MOVIN TO PHILIPPINES WITH THIS ONE (lowest 16)🔥🔥🔥🔥

Except that wont work on him since he likes femboys.

@@rocker8890 you guys get really creative when it comes to this sort of things huh?

Yeah but it’s unnecessary, unless I’m mistaken hakari won’t be able to play the game in the first place. The sure hit explanation won’t affect maki and unless hakari can verbally describe the rules he won’t be able to do anything

@@AustinAvatar the domain would count maki as an object therefore there's no reason for the domain to give any information there for hakari can roll for jackpot and maki won't even know also hakari can get jackpot without others shown by him entering the kashimo fight with jackpot

@@criptamintlance103 You're forgetting that one of the rules for activation is that someone else must be given the rules for the domain to take effect. Otherwise it would be stupid of hakari to gamble putting his opponents in the domain and instead he would've flipped the durability of the domain wall and just played alone if he could cause that would be safer. The fact that he never does this implies that he needs at least one other person to play and because Maki isn't considered a person he would never be able to play

Weapon that ignores durability (plus possibly damaging the soul, which would affect rct) vs punch and kick

@@hungrynibba4152 if it was toji it would be gambler vs gambler

infinite energy vs no energy (aka full heavenly restriction 💀)

@@hazzaelnegro what are you even saying

bro did not let the title slide

this made my day

Don't come here then

@@tingle2323its a joke lil nga

Maki counts as an object bro does not need to explain rules against a object

Rika: if they both seduced yuta, they might cause me a little trouble "would you lose yuta?" Rika:Nah, i'd peg

Meanwhile yuta: kissing the cockroach curse spirit

Yuta x Cockroach curse is peak

Initially I was pretty convinced of the Maki ship but then I remembered that the only instance of any kind of intimacy was in JJK0. Literally before the series even began Lmao

​@@SaucenoatNah, that one lil girl from Shibuya...she is the one

Kashimo dogwaters maki ( if you say otherwise you are a glazing monkey with drools ) and maki couldn't properly keep up with yuji against a 15 finger sukuna WHILE he was weakened by fushiguro's soul ... hakari kept up with kashimo in base ...

@@Depressed_until_deadfacts bro people ain’t knowing

@@Depressed_until_dead none of what you just said was accurate

@@Depressed_until_dead That is completely wrong 😭 Also I wouldn't say Hakari kept up, he would've died 4 times without jackpot

@@Depressed_until_deadkashimo is dead how can he fight maki? 🤣

It's a narrative device because it wouldn't create hype if hakari is already in jackpot. Otherwise hakari could've hit jackpot with even yuta or kusakabe inside the domain.

​@@the_alaric *no proof of that though, we have no concrete evidence to prove it works with just him*

@@the_alaricyea but the show isn’t just about “hype” if an important detail like that was to be the case it would’ve been explained when he first used his domain or we would’ve gotten an example of it on a fight that’s not the big like hakari vs the manga dude

Not true, why would he waste his time limit if he wasn't fighting, its logical to activate it the moment he starts battle, that's like saying Yuta can't use awakened rika without an opponent because he only uses her after he engages in battle, stupid take tbh

@@Jahito_EBT The point stands, if Hakari wanted he could've hit jackpot with Kusakabe or even Kirara for that matter, he didn't because it takes away the stakes of the story.

But in all honesty if this is 1v1 hakari is only going to have 4:11 to realistically win and thats if he gets jackpot on someone else and immediately starts fighting her. Its basically been shown that you need a target for a domain to practically work. There is no reason he would ever enter a fight in base otherwise. Of course we are assuming that Hakari can't take the SSK. That said I think its fair to assume that stat to stat Maki is equal to Jackpot Hakari at least. Its hard to compare due to time skip and the fact that they never fought the same enemy. We have seen who Hakari fight, fight sukuna and Maki fight sukuna but its hard to scale

​@@JA-zo8su You do realize that was a joke, right?

makis glaze is crazy shes not killing hakari before jackpot and once hakari gets jackpot speedwise shes NOT keeping up

@@IMRTLDAN why wouldn't she be able to keep up?

Maki for sure wins not only does she just out stat him. His imortality doesn’t mean shit to the soul split katana as shown time and time again in jjk damage to the soul can’t be healed by rct. Even if it could he’d still lose because if hakari gets his head cut off he dies which maki could definitely do fairly easily.

​​@@IMRTLDANtoji was able to keep up with gojo who uses almost zero cursed energy using his technique, ampllifying his attacks,and reinforcing his body. Either maki gets exhausted while hakari has jackpot or hakari runs out of cursed energy to pop his domain again assuming that maki doesnt just one shot him while his technique is burnt out

Mahito also confirmed that damage done to the soul can not be healed

@@mgspurge7934 Which chapter? I genuinely don’t know when it’s stated

@@Cookieunks123 I could be wrong (going off of memory here) but ima check and let you know

@@mgspurge7934 Do you remember who said it? I know that Maki during the more recent chapters was speculating whether or not he could heal wounds made by the SLBlade

​@@mgspurge7934he did not it's all idle transfiguration you made it tf up

His BIQ is also above most that we’ve seen in the series, with the domain relocation and thinking to eject the CE of the lightning bolt out of his nose

Also Hakari’s pseudo spins are a huge advantage against maki where he can essentially reset damage she does in the domain and possibly outside of it

​@@whateverthisis8101not outside

one correction: i'm pretty sure the kashimo lightning bolt was a sure hit outside of a domain so it wasn't just moving at lightning bolt speeds

Bro maki cant walk out of a domain its still a physical barrier also if the domain counts maki as an object then the domain doesnt meed to inform her meaning jackpot still works as normal another thing is hakari tanked the same attack from urame that maki couldnt and even pushed urame from 50% to 100% also yuta said hakari would win against him and well yuta is most likely stronger then maki by just what we've seen

Nope

​@@the_alariccope 😂

@@hungrynibba4152 Me when I have no arguments:

Nah, if hakkari hits jackpot he might win... at base lvl maki wins hakkari

@@r.k.hariharan3741 - If Hakari uses his jackpot might cause her a little trouble -But would her lose -Na I-d win

Facts like I don’t understand this bias banter. He can hit jackpot by himself . His ct doesn’t affect his opponents directly. Not to mention everything you just said. So I’m guessing by their logic maki can beat yuta aswell

​@@HailDarkseidexactly this, maki only wins if she has soul splitter because that weapon is broken. Hakari fully overwhelmed Kashimo in jackpot. Even without his CT kashimo is stronger than maki especially when you consider the narrative. Its a good fight but if maki had has something like playful cloud or no weapons she's losing

@@WristTapeDrowzzy lol he doesn’t even know that hakari hit jackpot by himself right before fighting urame … this dude isn’t a real anime fan or watcher . He doesn’t know what he’s talking about ever . He’s just on a bandwagon

​@@HailDarkseidwhere was it stated that hakari got jackpot before fighting uraume

@@muhammadharisfirdausbinhairuza go back and read it

hakari reacted to kashimo's lightning by expelling cursed energy out of his head and is comparable to yuta/base kashimo in speed

This! Thank you! The reading comprehension of JJK readers continues to astound me. It's pretty clearly stated how that interaction would go.

I think he could explain the rules himself, but that would take a really long time

​@@thefanciesttortoise557 Maki already knows about his domain(probably), so if you didn't want to take that into account, just make it Toji v.s Hakari instead. Hakari still probably loses but yeah his domain would work

completely just ignored the fact that Hakari has huge luck.

@@28jvsondatbeat no i didn't. 1/30 everytime in 1/239 odds is more than just being lucky. So wtf are you talking about

@@2406west it's Hakari, chances don't mean anything to him since he consistently gets jackpot under like 4 tries. Maki's fast, but that doesn't mean Hakari isn't.

@@28jvsondatbeat cool which is even more evidence that supports my point and not yours. You realize that right?

It could be argued that non-lethal domain might work differently because explaining the rules is needed for them to function or one of the other disaster curses was the target used to open the dagons domain

Hakari has an old-style domain where the info-dump (explanation of the rules) is necessary, we know this based off of chapter 164

There's a difference between choosing not to target people in your own domain and there literally being no one to target. In theory the only domain that could be activated on it's own is sukuna's because it actively targets the terrain.

Who?, the guy currently getting mid-diffed by Uraume 😭

Mid-diffed? Maybe…BUT U KNOW WHAT THEY SAY! ALWAYS BET ON HAKARI!

@@hungrynibba4152 It'd be hilarious if hakari was shown back in his crib clapping his femboy's chicks with uraume's head on his wall 😂

@@hungrynibba4152 Mid diffed? You're defo a troll nobody who actually read that chapter seriously thinks that💀💀

@@hungrynibba4152 idk what you talking about, the one chapter we got of their fight we see hakari dominating

Yeah, as said by Sukuna himself, the problem about RCTing Soul Damage is it requires magnitudes more CE AND CE output to heal, which is something Jackpot Hakari definitely has no problems with. But Maki being able to ignore Domains and her curated fighting style currently being nearly identical to Toji (meaning she's more stealthy now) means all she needs to is to wait for 4:11 before digging in and Hakari won't be able to do anything about it but try to survive.

It gives a massive boost to his stats

It allows hakari to use his maximum output without draw backs or getting exhausted.

It does but he's having to overcome the gap in strength Maki has on his base form so it translates to not making an enormous difference. It probably but his strength higher than hers and it gives better durability by proxy of his Regen but because of Soul Liberation Blade he is still very much killable even in jackpot.

Kashimo gets destroyed tbh.

Kashimo doesnt even need his CT, remember his cursed energy basically shocks and stuns everyone it comes accross, Hakari was just inmortal because of his domain giving him infinite CE, but Maki/Toji have none, so even if resisted, every time they touch Kashimo they'll get stunned even if slightly. And if Hakari was getting SHREDDED by the lightning, a stunned Maki/Toji is NOT dodging SHIT. Plus, his sure hit works by imbuying his own cursed energy, not targeting someone else's, meaning Kashimo's sure hit unlike most, does work on them

@@countcrocodile1115 Maki literally blocked Sukunas lighting and that shit is undeniably stronger than Kashimos.

@@mrpodslol*Nue lightning* and i doubt its stronger then kashimo

Kashimo one taps both of them.

Maki 1.Pulled Yuta our of depression 2.Taught him swordsmanship and hand to hand combat 3. Is a human and not a curse that isolated him from his family

Cockroach cursed spirit wins no diff

​@@kingofheroes1096 the girl yuta saved in Shibuya.... debate over 😏

This is correct. We have been told many times that the soul is the body, and the body is the soul. Healing one likely heals the other. However, Idle transfiguration changes the shape, or if you will, the default state of the soul. Think of RCT as reverting your wounded body back to its original state. But Idle Transfiguration changes that very original state, so RCT doesn't recognize that there is anything to heal. If Mahito gives you 3 arms and 5 eyes and you lose all of them, using RCT would just restore you to your 3 arms 5 eyes state, because that is your new "default", it wouldn't bring you back to your "normal" human form, but rather to what Mahito changed you into To give an in-universe example: Todo's arm turned into exploding shards of glass after Idle Transfiguration. If Todo got it healed with RCT, it would just explode into shards of glass once again, as that is the default state Mahito set his arm to. Copium for Todo stans: Since he proved that he could use Boogie Woogie by clapping with someone else, he showed that as long as he can perform the act of clapping using any two hands, he can activate his CT. So in theory, if he could somehow get a prosthetic arm, that could either have cursed energy in it, or that he could imbue with his own cursed energy (As he showed he is capable of doing everytime he imbues rocks and shit with his CE so that he could swap with them), perhaps even a cursed tool prosthetic arm, he should be able to use Boogie Woogie once more xD

​@@AstroCS2 While we understand it to this level, why wouldn't that same logic be applied to the SSS? I understand Mahito's reshaping the soul via alteration, but we also know that Mahito didn't have an understanding of healing the damage done to his own soul when fighting Mechamaru, he was only able to reshape his soul to make up for it So what I'm getting at is that if the shape of the body is dependent on the shape of the soul, technically speaking that'd mean that the soul is the body's natural origin? Meaning RCT would work based on that origin (based on the souls design), so wouldn't that also mean if part of the soul is cut into, it is therefore reconstructed, or forcibly reshaped? unless it's possible that the soul itself can eventually replace, repair, & make up for whatever portion of it is lost wouldn't that mean that there's something that shapes the soul too? It doesn't necessarily make sense to say you can heal soul damage through regular means such as (RCT) since RCT as we know it, works to reconstruct the body, & not the soul.

@@origin7754 The thing is, if we go with that logic, then Mahito would have been permanently weakened by every punch he took from Yuji and also from the Mechamaru hits, but we know he recovered to full strength and even got stronger. Obviously, Mahito also wore down Yuji's soul to 10%, but Yuji is so much stronger than he was in Shibuya. So we know 100% that the soul recovers from just normal damage. It's not that Mahito couldn't heal his soul from the damage he took from Mechamaru, it's that Mechamaru was able to damage him in the first place which surprised him. Mahito could heal himself over time which takes CE. He even told Mechamaru "You thought I wouldn't use a domain because I'd keep my strength for Shibuya? It's 10 days away, I have time to recover" or something along those lines. The only permanent soul damage is Idle Transfiguration, because it's not actual damage, but changing the default state of the soul I like your way of thinking but sadly it gets countered by things the story showed us already. The author put quite a lot of emphasis on the special ability of Mahito to alter the soul and that specifically being unhealable, whereas people who got hit by soul-damaging abilities but survived, eventually recovered back to full strength

@@AstroCS2 So wouldn't that mean that the soul can gradually recover, it's still somewhat up in the air if soul recovery can be done by the means of RCT, which is pretty much why Maki questioned it in her first Sukuna encounter

@@origin7754 Yeah, I'm pretty sure the soul can recover gradually from damage/being worn down, and you can POTENTIALLY heal some damage to it with RCT (Not confirmed, mostly headcannon, but it would make sense) though you definitely cannot heal Idle transfiguration

His techniques is unpredictable at best. Plus yuta rips him a new one in a real fight to death. Hakari is overrated. A he has is hands while other special grades have destructive aoe powers that can level city blocks. He is vaporised by a beam from rika

@@Owen-sx4jj I mean sure if that’s the hill you wanna stand on but I’ll take the opinion of 2 of the 3 special grade in the series (Gojo and Yuta) as well as everyone who knows about in and fought him in higher esteem than just your opinions on his abilities and fighting style. The fact of the matter is that in spite of what you laid forth Gojo recognizes Hakari’s strength and puts him at in the same vain as Yuta. Even up until ch.236 when Yuta wanted to jump into the fight and Hakari reminded him that Gojo said “Don’t join in unless I’m weaker than Yuta and Hakari” Now if you wanna argue who’s better have at it that’s not what I’m here for. But to say he’s not at their level is just purely dishonest with what the series has laid forth.

​@@youfirst6611 gojo and yuta's statements arent facts. It has often been shown that gojo's statements are wrong, shibuya, the whole thing with sukuna and yuta is kinda just a tired self deprecating kind of guy. Hakari doesnt really have a ton of output and in the kashimo fight it has also been shown that hakari can get obliterated in his own domain but can use his pseudo spins to just keep it going. base hakari couldnt knock yuji out, without him resisting and yuta killed him easily

He can hit jackpot whenever, I think he’ll be fine . Not to mention he’s smarter and more experienced

​@@Owen-sx4jjThe yuta glazing is hard OMG please stop

They probably immediately went to the comments and didn't watch a single second of the video😂

Yea now we know it can be healed sukuna said so

@@NoMotiondaro The only reason Sukuna can heal it is because he is aware of the shape of his own soul due to "inhabiting a single body that contained two souls". Him and Maihto are the only two people confirmed to know the shape of their soul, Hakari has never shared a body and doesn't have soul manipulation as a power, there is no way he knows it and can heal with RCT

​@@Hexie094 school them please 😂😂😂

@@Hexie094 hey hakari just has that much cursed energy maybe he can heal it just because of all the cursed energy and if we find bro beat Uruame can we agree jackpot hakari is stronger?

@@Hexie094 cause if his body reflexively does it maybe it’ll go into his soul

We'll find out soon if RCT can be used against Soul Liberation Blade either next chapter or in a few because we might cut back to the uraume and hakari fight

ngl something completely original would be nice, like dragon-bone was cool, but after she used it on the zenins, we never seen it again