Engineer Steve Lyon Talks About Alan Wilder, Production, Gear And More... 

George get Alan to your show to tell us once and for all why he didn't come back...

Thank you very much talking Engineer Alan Wilder on RU-vid 📺🎧🎹 Too 🆒🆒🔝🔝👍😍🥰🥳🥳 You are always incredibly amazing really beautiful with you and always the best 😺😏😊🙀❤️♥️💖Amazing, impressive, brilliant 😱🫣🤗😘 Always Top 🔝 Of the Top with VG everytime 💯🎉👌🤜🙏🏻🤛💪😻 Always The best for us 💗❣️ No change nothing VG we all still love you very much for still giving us this very good time with you 😮😮❤❤😊

Great chat. Can't wait for part 2. I miss Turnkey. Loved popping in there after a meeting down in London and the vintage synth museum downstairs. I'm surprised Mr Wilder hasn't produced a Gary Numan album or a done a remix of a song. Not a fan of The Beatles but I thought Get Back, all 10 hours of it, was a great study of songwriting.

Thanks Vaughn nice chat-taster,he’s a nice understated insightful guy.Roll on part 2-start the tape.

@@andrewsly3183 cheers brother!! See you in part 2!! VG :-)

Here here!💯agreed

Agreed.

So go to listen Recoil.

Alan was great but DM has thrived with him and without him.

@@carloenriqueibanezperez7067 he can’t listen to recoil as no one does lol it’s awful It’s missing Martin gore and flood to tell him what buttons to press

Probably Alan missed DM more than he can admit too

@@israelgarcia7577 Yea, that they all need each other to make the true DM sound IMO. But I do agree with you, Alan probably misses them more. Martin and David are still benefitting a lot more from Alan's work, than Alan is. I think some mountains of ego and pride would have to be crossed in order for a DM reunion. Sadly, I'm not holding my breath.

@@paxsincera836 yes. Quite a sad story specially for Alan but fortunately those DM albums with him will stay in the real world like some king of magical materia apparently unreal

@@israelgarcia7577 I highly doubt that. When he was still a member, Alan said in an interview that he didn't see himself being a rockstar past 40 and wanted to settle down at that age.

​@@paxsincera836I doubt Alan misses the exploitation. One thing many people are not considering is that he was simply treated differently, not like part of the band, and oftentimes they treated him very unprofessionally to say the least. He had two options: to be treated thusly or leave. No third option was given. So I don't think he "misses" it, as some people presume. You don't miss being treated badly and being exploited unless you have some psychological hung ups (which the majority people do have indeed, and perhaps that's why they project that on Alan).

Or a musical Collaboration! Call it Boy George 🤪🤣!

I feel the same way. 😀💯👍🏼

You are very welcome !! VG

Well said

Alan made his version of In Chains, so you can actually compare. Imo Alan's surpassed the album version. I agree, DM is a quartet, full stop. Left as a trio, they became a different band. Not only music, but stage performance was lacking Alan's presence and his vocals. I visited their concert on Ultra tour, that was great, but completely different show. I wasn't hooked with their tunes made after that.

I actually prefer Ultra to SOFAD! But otherwise I agree there's been something missing for 20 years.

@Jared B Absolutely. Awesome comment. will keep mine short, though, ha ha, but I could not agree more with what you wrote.

Cheers Dave!! VG :-)

@@VaughnGeorge did you manage to ask about the Devotional live recordings?

@@daveaskew2105 Yes Sir!! VG :-)

Why should DM ask Alan to come back? He was the one that jumped ship. He should be begging DM to take him back

@@bruinman1012 yes, but do you know why? He worked his ass off and not only during albums recording. Others are LAZY and poor Fletch (RIP) never contributed musically. He always spent hours in studio while others were having a great time and he was fine with it until escalating somewhere between Violation tour and SOFAD recording. He knew it'll be his last tour and that's why he put special effort in songs like Walking in my shoes. Dave was his friend but he was so on drugs, they didn't even communicate. Martin was drunk all the time and stopped giving Alan credits for his work. Fletch was battling depression (bipolar), everything was falling apart and he was treated like not equal. Like hired worker. In short. He said he'd leave at some point anyways and Recoil is his, well recoil. Never wanted to conquer the world with it but have creative freedom. The entire in-band situation during Devotional tour and a bit prior to it made his decision come faster than he initially planned stating "I never want to go through this again". And Alan is actually a HARD working artist, the only one of the gang that DIDN'T have ego problem. You should meet Dave/Martin today. When I was on Epica show, they had beers with fans. Those 2 didn't allow to be touched (prior to covid), we had 180sec (3 mins), had to give all of our things away including phones etc. Alan was also thinking about getting back again around 2010 when he played piano for Somebody live, or was at least open to the idea. I have good sources and if they lied to me, I'm lying now to you (so take THIS section with some salt!), he talked about re-joining being happy about it. It was 2-1. Dave wanted Alan back, Fletch was a bit mean because Alan apparently said some hurtful stuff when he left (or to be precise, didn't say anything until it was "I'm leaving"). And Martin's ego didn't want to admit they need him :) There you go. Alan did "In chains" remix on his Mac relaxing on vacation in France and it sounded amazing. Alan was and is THE master of sound, human Emulator II and their music will never be made to it's full potential. You won't see him, he did that auction to sell everything DM related 12y ago and Martin was even more angry about it afterwards to the point he doesn't want to use ANY of Alan's samples live anymore. Alan sold even Martin's guitar that he still had since those boys were really lazy and he handled most of the things. He's retired from music and those who had a privilege to be around him know how important he is for music world and DM world fame.

Thank you 👍🏻

Thanks, man. God bless you.

Cheers Carlos!! VG :-)

Hi there!! Thanks of your comment!! I am sure he is aware of the mark he left on the industry and the place he has in our hearts !! VG :-)

@@VaughnGeorge You are absolutely welcome! Not sure why RU-vid is only now notifying me of your reply, but I thank you kindly 😊

During the NIN Fragility tour, before the show, Trent played some tracks from Recoil's "Liquid" album before the show.

I hope so too! VG

Thank you Owen!! VG :-)

You're very welcome !! VG :-)

You are very welcome!! VG :-)

You are very welcome my friend!! VG :-)

Glad you enjoyed it! VG :-)

You are very welcome my friend !! VG :-)

Cheers brother T!! VG :-)

Glad you enjoyed it! VG :-)

Glad you enjoyed it! VG

Glad you enjoyed it! VG :-)

Glad you enjoyed it! VG :-)

Glad you enjoyed it! VG :-)

He does indeed!! Glad you enjoyed it!! VG :-)

Thank you and yes , he has visited my channel. VG :-)

​@@VaughnGeorgeDid he contact with you? Is there any chance he will give you an interview? )))

@@Surmelina Hello brother ! Alan has kept a low profile so it is going to be hard. But never say never ! VG :-)

@@VaughnGeorge we kinda become orphaned without him, we love him))

@@Surmelina well said my friend !! VG :-)

100% agree! Host is one of my favorite records. A masterpiece!

Thanks for the suggestion!

That's interesting, I have Steve in my FB contacts, and I hesitated to ask if he would be up to mix my 2020 album, but didn't dare in fear he would be too expensive, and would find my music not professional enough. Maybe I'll find the nerve to ask him next time.

@@alejandromorales8715 Steve's very approachable and friendly. I used to go down to his studio and mix the album while drinking many cups of tea ha. He has some great stories also (as you'd expect)

@@alejandromorales8715 would love to hear your stuff, where can one go?

WHere can we hear this music?

@@knottydogg Just uploaded the album, probably my favourite track (and the most electronic sounding) is New Fears Resolution at 11:50 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qYZJ3m9_Idk.html

Cheers Tom!! VG :-)

Glad you enjoyed it! VG :-)

R u drunk?

The intro music was composed by me using some original DM samples . I'm glad you like it . It is not available anywhere because I have not released it . VG

Surprising isn't it??!! VG

Thought you sacked off RU-vid because you wasn’t making millions !

@@aWolfForTheMasses I don't know what you've been smoking bro or where you're getting your info from. VG 😛

Just to add to the above and reference to this video, it's very interesting that you get to interview the very people that worked with DM which builds up a bigger picture of what actually happened during the SOFAD period, I watched the videos on the Collectors Edition DVD's from SOFAD & Ultra but I somehow feel that you are not getting what "really happened" and there are things that the public weren't privvy to.

completely agree with the intruments thing. The drumming by Eigner is dire - really ruins tracks like Never Let Me Down Again. Even Gore's guitar is often grating, as it is often such a small part of most tracks. I can't wait to see them live in France one last time this year, but part of their performance has become a bit of a tragic singalong rock show. It would be great to see them do a retro tour, complete with a bank of keyboards, electronic drum effects, and all the old industrial electronic sound brought back front and centre... at least for the older tracks where this was the way they were meant to be played. Some of their older tracks live now sound like some sort of lounge covers band doing them.

@@jaredb9281 Retro singles tour keyboards only 😀 sadly can't get Fletch back but Dave, Martin, Alan and Vince now that would be interesting 👍

Bloodline - sounds like the bridge between Violator and Songs Of Faith And Devotion. Some great guest vocalists also (Toni Halliday from Curve, Doug Nitzer Ebb, Moby. Outstanding album.

I'd start by listening to lots of different music. Recoil's curse is that he already had a fanbase... the hardcore DM fans, who are not, in principle, the ideal target audience for it. Recoil has more in common with stuff like The Haxan Cloak, The Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble (a kind of jazz that even Vaughn's limited perception of the genre may enjoy) or even Sigur Rós than with DM. It's true that Bloodline is the closest to old school DM, but because of that reason, among others, I find it to be one of the weakest from his catalogue, contrary to what most other fans believe.

Bloodline is the most 'commericial' sounding so probably that one. My favourite is Unsound Methods which has a kind of trip hop sound.

Hydrology is the Recoil album I love listening to. It's just 3 perfect instrumental tracks - Grain (7m 44 secs), Stone (14:32) and The Sermon (15:33) - but then you remember it's Alan Wilder and his magic fingers sending you in to synth heaven.

Here is the track: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VJmNayLjXko.html

It's like after 93 Alan continues to make music, but DM stopped makes music, and start doin some Depeche Mode stuff for fans

Alan Wilder.

@@VaughnGeorge 🤣🤣🤣

​@@VaughnGeorge really? Is it a joke or are you serious?

Stooooopid🤦🏽‍♂️

Clueless. Was Alan taking too because recoil was even worse

He wasn't trying to prove anything. He just wanted to do his own thing, with less collaboration and no touring:he wanted to be more at home with his family. He was never trying to compete with Depeche Mode. He also said that he thought that Depeche Mode continuing depended on Dave getting through his addiction and not because he(Alan) left the band.

So we should only speak about things that happened in the last 2 years?? VG