ENTJ - Entrepreneur - LIE - Explained Correctly 

Thank you, what was the other description?

@@WorldSocionics This was the other one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-57XSFyAvqfk.html. Other great written descriptions are by Gulenko and "The Best ENTJ Guide ever written". I often try to explain myself using either of those 2, but I don't think it ever works. People look at the words, but they just don't get the real meaning (even if they say and think they do). It makes me wonder if one can ever truly understand what it must be like being a certain personality type. Probably not, imo ...

Funny i was going to recommend any ENTJ video by skimmerlit if you hadn’t seen. His videos are insanely accurate and insightful.

​@@jograves8859 I haven't studied Skimmerlit his type, but I get an INTP-vibe. It would make sense that the best descriptions of how it must be like having any of the different kinds of mindsets comes from a person with Ne somewhere high in the stack. As an ENTJ I can narrow the differences down to the clearest distinctions (producing the essence or the gist of things), but I am aware that there is an "awful much" that doesn't get noticed on this narrow Ni-path. That "awful much" can make the difference in "getting it" and "truly understanding it", especially in combination with thinking Ti.

@@johanvandenbussche4479 Agreed. and yes he is an INTP

me. eating and making food are chores

That's nice of you to say, but I'm intrigued. Why would CS Joseph's stuff be as resonating? His types and the conclusions he draws directly contradict my descriptions. Either the types I describe match with something internally coherent and real, leading to that resonance, or they don't.

@@WorldSocionics specifics- you both have conflicts in positions but I've found Cs Josephs ENTJS vids detail a lot of my habits including my forgetfulness. This vid did the same, you vocalised beautifully my position on learning effective communication skills. Humans will not just do what I want them to do and through learning this skill I can actually find useful and worthwhile humans to be around. Any king/emperor/CEO/notable person could not do it alone. An army is required. I came to the logical conclusion that I needed the same to live a full existence and scratch the itch of conquest.

@@monkofdark123There is somewhere an interesting observation in Socionics that says that "identical relations" (like ENTJ/ENTJ) are great to observe from a 3d person perspective how your own type is perceived by others. I must say that the ENTJ-expressions above ("Humans will not just do what I want them to do.", "useful and worthwile humans to be around", ...) are quite condescending to read and I really hope I personally don't come accross that way to others. I really don't feel like some kind of emperor who condescendantly looks down on "mere humans". Decades of gathering knowledge has actually only made me feel very humble and I wish all "humans" would feel the same. If we all knew we individually understand almost nothing and we were all "OK with that", I think the world could become a better place in which "humans" help each other iso trying to compete with each other because of their stupid ego's.

I thought probably ENTJ from meeting you. They often score 'INTJ' anyway because NT types skew Introverted in tests.

While I think this is a reasonably common typing, I don't think it's as common as most people believe. 3 is fundamentally an others-focused type, desiring to be impressive, keeping track of other people's opinions, easily shamed (even if most won't show it, especially the males). LIE is more individualistic and autonomy-seeking, with focus on other people having a more situational, "I'm just here for work" quality. imo, they're just as likely to be 8s or counterphobic 6s, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few 5s among them.

@@jasonblack4208 I'm interested to know your argument more on 5. 5s hoard and preserve their energy and mainly do that in terms of isolation and seeking from within. LIEs on the other hand have a need for external structuring and with mobilizing Se which isn't well you can attest that their will isn't as strong and cunning as an Se dom would be. Which also takes me to why you think an LIE with inferior Se could be an 8?

@@kreole7376 Sure. It's not a common typing, but 5 is also an intellectual, hyper-independent type with an eye for resource acquisition. You'd probably see more emphasis on planning than "hustling" in an LIE 5, and they'd be very likely to be 583 (the double assertive fixed 5). Think someone like Bill Gates. That's probably an LIE 5 (again, not the most common, on account of the energy management you mentioned, but they're out there on occasion).

@@jasonblack4208 I get your point. I think Carl Sagan is another good example. The variations of actions will vary but still have the same core workings.

not when we find complete implementation and applicability, we could streamline the entire cognitive process.

Not yet

Yes!

@@WorldSocionics LOL so entp

Mirror relationships are interesting, my dad is my mirror. I can tackle subjects that both of us enjoy discussing (and are both well-versed in, same ego block) and learn/teach more than with almost anyone else, but it can also be the relationship filled with the most frustration. Probably because subjects related to our ego blocks are very easy for both of us to discuss, yet the difference in leading (and temperament) makes for some of the most competitive relations out there imo whenever that difference is at the heart of a disagreement, which ends up creating the greatest disagreements at times (when both types are absolutely convinced they are right, or convinced the other is focused on the wrong thing), so it can go either way lol.

@@maximelamadeleine1824 having the same ego block has nothing to do with liking the same subjects. Maybe you are both deltas or alphas so you would find practically anything interesting. Not the case for the other quadras. But what you said - frustration that the other person is focused on the wrong thing is frequent.

@@Retrosenescent I dont mean the same specific subjects, what I should have said was, we have a similar worldview on most subjects, or we tend to focus on the same things when talking about a certain subject

Hi there. I don't believe in subtypes. I think they serve to confuse people more than clarify anything.

Thanks 🙏 😅​@@WorldSocionics

Is it possible for an ili to become an lie in the future

No more possible than it is for an ILI to become an ESE.@@peregeorge-ty3to

@@WorldSocionics I won't mind engaging in one of your interviews

Could you please explain this to me? Thank you!

I think so, or 3. The need to be independent from the control of others can weigh heavily on an LIE, so it matches well to their Se Mobilising.

No. 8 are lust driven, present and sensory world oriented. SLE and SEE are the best options for Enneagram 8.

Nurture and stimulation is very important

I am an authority on this topic. What sort of source are you looking for? Just someone else's opinion?

Id greatly disagree

So Trump is the least long term thinking and pragmatic ENTJ in the history then…I mean when he was president 70% of his time went towards stopping fires he himself set…Only to then declare victory! Because you know….Image…Beta quadra….Fe mobilizing…image.

Trump is nothing like this

Have you watched my video on Trump?

@WorldSocionics probably. As I watched nearly all your videos. Also, did you know Trump has a hard time relaxing and only sleeps 4 hours a night? That sounds like the Si PolR description in your ENTJ video. I understand why you and most Mbti authors type Trump ESTP. And he may actually be one. But what I can't understand is why ENTJ is not more in the conversation. With Trump's Te - Ni/Ne business opportunities being so important to him off camera.