Ep. 114: X/C Navigation Log | VFR Cross Country Nav Log Calculations

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@lukecole6203 4 года назад

You know you’re confident when you do the whole thing with a pen

@PilotDaveAviation 3 года назад

I thought of the same thing !! Lol

@allenustianowski9757 3 года назад

You got that right!

@allenustianowski9757 2 года назад

I watch this video AGAIN, 6 months from the first time I watch it and it makes perfect sense now! First time I watched it I was totally lost, but now it make perfect sense. This video is more for an advanced student vs a new student and a great refresher! Good job.

@lukecole6203 2 года назад

@@allenustianowski9757 Lol, I haven't watched it in over a year. I'm about to go for my CFI checkride next week. I now can use a pen Update: I passed my cfi and cfii checkrides and am now instructing

@dartagnantapler7150 2 года назад

Erasable pen gang

@mrboss20ten 3 года назад

I love your videos. I have a pretty decent understanding of the nav log stuff, but this was easily the most confusing video I've seen on the channel.

@JeffroBodine1947 4 года назад

I think I'll just walk!!!

@misaelcruz5443 3 года назад

This video is definitely more intended for pilots who have done Navlogs before and need to refresh. I could not imagine a Student Pilot being able to follow along. Great video though

@colbyjamesreynolds1516 3 года назад

As a student pilot that makes me feel a lot better😂

@haber1259 Год назад

@@colbyjamesreynolds1516 one year later, do you better understand this video? I'm a student and I thought I was lagging way behind watching this.

@jasonbower9515 Год назад

Trying to prep for check ride. Also very very lost. Feels really overwhelming

@RealWoutLies Год назад

At several minutes in, I tuned out. Rapid/overwhelming info isn't useful to this 60 yo student. It's a great refresher, I'm sure. But...

@josephtorres3522 7 месяцев назад

Yup pretty hard to follow along lol I have mi iPad,calculator, charts, nav log and still can’t keep up lol

@WoutervanTiel Год назад

Seriously archaic! This is exactly why computers were invented. Very nice to still be able to do this by hand and a great learning tool to get how the information is derived, but it is inexact, prone to making mistakes and slow. You did a nice job putting it together though.

@gmag73 Год назад

My dad was born and raised in Charlotte, MI...thank you for pronouncing it correctly!

@PaulGarthAviation 3 года назад

What's *really* rewarding is, after doing all this stuff manually, is actually doing the X-C -- and it ALL freakin' works out really close to plan.

@1UTUBEUSERNAME Месяц назад

New drinking game. Every time OP says "go ahead" have a shot or a beer.

@philipstrugar587 3 года назад

I'm a new CFI, and have assigned this video to all of my students in the cross country stage.

@DirectFTNSS 3 года назад

I've been assigned this video and I don't even have my private pilots license yet XD

@Smokeybear69420 4 года назад

Your phone vibrating at around 18:45 tripped me out I thought I was getting a call lol

@DanWeecks 6 лет назад

This is exactly what I needed! Reviewing nav logs was on my to do list for today, so I'll definitely watch this. Thanks for your awesome videos Jon!

@esalenchik 4 года назад

Will You’re aware that the video can be slowed down and replayed over and over, right? Creators can’t win on YT. Comments like “video was too long”, “not long enough”, “too much explanation”, “not enough...” Perhaps naysayers should try putting in all the hard graft to create their own videos before finding fault?

@JeffroBodine1947 4 года назад

Jon, you have lost your ever loving mind.!! I ain't never going anywhere if I have to do all of this!!

@colewhetzel8651 4 года назад

You just made this seem impossible honestly I can’t comprehend half of the things you’re talking about cause you start talking about something else before I even have the chance to comprehend what you were just talking about. Thanks for making this seem impossible!

@2Greenlid 3 года назад

Cole, it’s called learning. Study for a few months & it will seem easy..just takes patience..

@rtoms1969 5 лет назад

This was extremely helpfull. To those that think he went too fast...note the pause and rewind capabilites of youtube. Magic!

@johnkeith8023 5 лет назад

Ron Toms preach it Ron

@marshallyoung7866 4 года назад

There are literally 113 tutorial videos before this finale to most PPL cadets. Any man can appreciate all the efforts that this man has put into this tutorial series.

@pappybo49 2 года назад

Wow! That was fun. I haven’t used that stuff in years, just brushing up reminds me what flying was really all about when I was learning to fly in the ‘60s. Thanks for reminding me that we didn’t need gps or an autopilot to fly. I’ve so lazy I fly a glass panel and an autopilot on my bush plane Simulator. Thanks again for sharing your expertise. I always enjoy your videos !

@yogevbarshavit6 5 лет назад

Awesome video Jon. Now that I’m so close to the check ride, I needed this video desperately.

@marinamonpere5633 3 года назад

Excellent , very detailed explanation that tied together learnt theory about performance calculations and all that "true-calibrated-indicated-ground-pressure-density" etc etc to practice . Thanks for posting!

@hessamstar 5 лет назад

Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video! I know it must’ve taken you forever to make the video but you are helping a lot of student pilots

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 5 лет назад

Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching!

@allenustianowski9757 3 года назад

I totally agree with Hesam's comment. This was a huge help for me. Little fast, but that's why they make the replay button. A lot of assumptions and you may not every get this detailed but totally agree you should know how and why you do this.

@mattsflightadventures284 6 лет назад

All these negative comments but I must say, This helped me out. I did a ground lesson with my instructor then watched this video. Made everything link into place in my brain. Sure, most have gps navigation today but for folks needing to learn the basics this is great..

@dylanreichstadt8997 3 года назад

Thanks for making this! I learned the Plotting & Wind/GPH Conversions separately, so it's good to see all of this put together. While some say you're going too fast, I appreciate the brevity and can easily go to a more detailed video if needed for the particular component.

@Victordamus98 2 года назад

Agreed. Could have gone a bit slower on the calculations with the E6B.

@li0nh3art302 5 лет назад

Thanks for the video, you did a great job!

@orlandospencer 6 лет назад

Thank you for this video. cleared up some stuff for me with using this log. just started using this format Nav Log

@elunico13 6 лет назад

I always give your videos thumbs up. Great resources!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 лет назад

Thanks! Share us on Facebook and with your friends around the airport to spread the word!!!

@juliuscaesar172 6 лет назад

hey man awesome video!!! this helped me loads

@MichaelRicksAherne 4 года назад

Great video! Heads up that in the 172, your enroute climb can be higher than the table. (See 172S POH, section 4-25, "Enroute Climb: Normal enoute climbs are performed with flaps up and full throttle *at speeds 5 to 10 knots higher than the best rate-of-climb speeds* for the best combination of performance, visibility and engine cooling.") So you can round up 5-10 knots as needed to get even numbers, and you're technically following the manual even more precisely. ;)

@timschiro4140 3 года назад

Your video was very helpful. Excellent job!

@fish7days 6 лет назад

Very timely !! Comm checkride coming up !!! Great vid as always !!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 лет назад

Glad it helps! The commercial checkride prep course is almost live on the site at www.fly8ma.com !

@AhmedAli-xy2jd 6 лет назад

amazing explanation, great job. Many thanks.

@rrz464 5 лет назад

Thank you for this vid. Definitely helped out as I planned my first XC from BJC to CYS.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 5 лет назад

Glad it helped! Check out the site for more vids: www.fly8ma.com

@alejandrosanchez2222 2 года назад

Thanks man! Great video and explanations, definitely won a subs

@carlsonlemos9927 2 года назад

Great video! Thanks

@KennyWeslax 4 года назад

I have that same pen, used it to plot my first cross country today also using this video. Small world man, small world.

@AaronHartwell 5 лет назад

Great video! Thanks for taking the time to make it!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 5 лет назад

Of course!! Feel free to share it around with your flying friends!

@ruslanmubarakzyanov252 3 года назад

Thank you very much!It’s very helpful!

@toddw6716 3 года назад

your the best! good easy to follow.

@sidsawhney1 6 лет назад

Super super helpful. Thanks so much.

@mjjstang 4 года назад

I just spent my night planning a xc in Xplane. Using this video i was able to plan a 51 min flight that ended up being 52 minutes. Landing wasnt so great. Now to find someone to teach me in the real thing. I also cheated and calculated a vor radial and distance to vor as a checkpoint but to be fair, the computer graphics dont lend well to VFR checkpoints. Thanks for this great vid. Oh and I'll echo how i feel this way is useless with GPS but if FAA wants me to learn it, so be it......

@kristofernavarro5855 6 лет назад

So clear thanks for a great tutorial

@tedk2814 6 лет назад

Great video and great instructor, thanks much!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 лет назад

Glad it helps ya out! Check out some of the new courses on www.fly8ma.com !

@reydogmotor 2 года назад

Thanks for reminding me why I didn’t do well in this area. But I did get it once upon a time. So, now I’m trying to get back into it and hoping to better understand this again.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 2 года назад

You can do it!

@AN-jz3px 6 лет назад

That was excellent!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 лет назад

Glad it helps! Share us on Facebook and around the airport with your friends!

@firepilot109 2 года назад

Great videos!

@OmgKornLoveNm1 3 года назад

thank you! its awesome..

@eddiea8167 6 лет назад

Doing this now in my training. Thanks!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 лет назад

Glad it helps ya out! Check out some of the new courses on www.fly8ma.com !

@jfrankfather 4 года назад

Thanks for your investment of time. That was a very good explanation of cross country planning.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 4 года назад

Of course... Glad it helped ya!

@adenpoller5121 2 года назад

Very helpful. Thank you

@Capitulum11 2 года назад

OMG just do it!

@hadidididi 5 лет назад

As a Canadian ppl holder, revisiting your works help me set a starting point in my material reviews. Good to have you back in the few valuable instructors pool.

@mikemike6096 3 года назад

I appreciate the technology nowadays, but I still respect this type of planning and It's how I learned years ago. E6B, it's been a few moons since I've used that calculator, haha

@seetheworldwithben747 2 года назад

I guess i was really paying attention to your video, i even saw your Tinder app on your phone. Lol

@Jeffrey-Flys 4 года назад

So, I totally get the system and the math, AND I thank GOD for the electronic Flight Navigation calculations that SkyVector or Foreflight do FOR YOU

@suzukirider9030 2 года назад

Thank the programmers ;-)

@ritchierich2820 5 лет назад

For the cruise performance chart did you use the temperature aloft or did you just use the airports temperature? Same for the altimeter setting ?

@kimberlywentworth9160 Год назад

Doing Nav logs by hand really makes you appreciate Foreflight. You have to do this manually like this so that you understand what is going on. Then when you get Foreflight you are amazed. I still like to use the paper maps and platting at times to be sure I find the correct VFR points. I also like the paper Nav log because it has all of the infor on paper in one place. Be nice if There was one in excel that would help with the manual calculations.

@kingck101 4 года назад

pilots phone starter kit, E6B, AvWeather, Tinder and bumble

@flyhigh4fun 3 года назад

Yeaa I think hes more confident to show his phone apps than his flight plan knowledge lol Tinder 🔥🤣

@msnaturee 3 года назад

This video helped me get through my private pilot training!! Amazing job

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 3 года назад

Glad it helps! Share it around!

@ahmadtheaviationlover1937 5 лет назад

this is just pure maths, I found the VFR cross country flying hard!!!

@samuelsoane4237 4 года назад

this video help me a lot thanks

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 4 года назад

Happy to hear that!

@king_georgieo57 2 года назад

It's kinda funny how this episode is #114, my long dual night xc is 114 nm in total! Cool coiwinkydink

@pabloendara5285 4 года назад

great instructing.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 4 года назад

Happy it helped ya!

@LostInSpace175 5 лет назад

starting commercial soon...crazt how u can forget some basic such as toc.. lol

@georgemathisen3805 3 года назад

Regarding the altimeter setting to obtain pressure altitude for cruise; would it be suggested to get the pressure setting for the departure airport and the destination airport and average it out to get a better estimate for the altimeter aloft to have a better understanding of what the cruise performance is?

@avia3089 5 лет назад

This is so difficult but understandable

@darionwilliams9574 2 года назад

This is what math class should look like

@Peterpeterpumpkineater1000 4 года назад

If your true course changes (like slightly alternating course for way points) do you have to find new TAS and GS?

@oofmcgoof6386 21 день назад

Lol my flight school gave me this video to work with, turns out it’s exactly the same thing I’m doing - KARB to KFPK

@coreystephens2656 6 лет назад

Thanks, this was very helpful....

@WinginWolf 5 лет назад

Just top it off when flying short distances :P. Takes me a while to fill in the navlog, and I also get sort of picky when it comes to marking distances on the map. Even though climbout may take "5 nautical miles", I know I have to climb out to 1000ft AGL before I can even begin my turn to course, so I may arrive to top of climb at an earlier point since I did a bit of detouring before arriving on course. Flying out of busy, towered airports makes it trickier since you're likely to get vectored around before you can proceed on course (I was several miles North of my plotted course due to vectoring but eventually made it on course).

@MH-uz2wy Год назад

Dude flies through the E6B instructions like speedy Gonzalez. It would be a great video if he actually SLOWED DOWN and taught like it was someone's FIRST TIME

@automaster209 2 года назад

Do you factor in declination? Magnetic north is usually off by a few degrees depending on the time of year.

@captainnickgyver5593 6 лет назад

This was so helpful, thank you! One thing I'm confused on: Why didn't you take into effect/interpolate the Temps for the time,fuel and distance to climb chart? The chart at sea level lists standard temp but the temp for the flight is -6.

@EngineerPrepper 3 года назад

Do you have a pdf version of that nav log to follow along?

@FisVii77 9 месяцев назад

do you teach out of willow run or ann arbour, no rush on response, I like the way you teach, appreciate all your videos and experience thanks mike.

@bravocharlie24 Год назад

This is so overwhelming 😢 FAA this is 2022 not 1960.

@ele4853 3 года назад

with the speed you speak, this is good for those that know the subject. why would the ones knowing the subject watch it this? oh, ok to pad you on the back...

@sxf093020 6 лет назад

Great video, thanks Jon! Out of curiosity what kind of plane is that in the last minute of the video-it looks really nice!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 лет назад

Tecnam Twin, pretty cool airplanes for training in!

@2Phast4Rocket 3 года назад

The FAA allows you to use the electronic EB6 computer in the written exam now and I am perplexed why the DPE still require people to fill this out. It is literally done once during the check ride and will never be done again. What is the use of the exercise again?

@RelaxinRoy 4 года назад

Good gouge, but gotta say the PA-28-181 (Archer III) POH did not make things easy. Figuring GS is still tough. I had to do a lot of hitting the pause button, and replay to get this down. Still, THANKS A MILLION. This is the best video I've been able to find on the subject.

@jondale4348 2 года назад

I feel your pain on the Old Piper POH :)

@michaelzaug8750 7 месяцев назад

Sister Rose would have hit your hand with a ruler. 😂 😂😂

@MH-ve5sz 6 лет назад

Hi, thanks for the videos, they are helping me understand nav logs. I’m confused about what values to use for calculating TAS. On my cruise performance chart, it uses pressure altitude. For each of my checkpoints, if the true altitude OR the pressure altitude has changed, do I need to re-calculate the TAS for that checkpoint? For instance, my originating airport pressure altitude is 8740 (true alt is 8500). By the time I’m halfway along my route, my true altitude is 7500. Do I need to find the new pressure altitude at that point in order to find that point’s TAS? On your chart, all of your altitudes are the same, but are your pressure altitudes the same? I also don’t see any place on the log for describing a climb from the TPA to cruise, or where I would account for that change in altitude (and again I don’t understand why we are sometimes using pressure altitude and sometimes using true). Thanks! -Mary

@VinceCartierBeats Год назад

He’s using pressure altitude to calculate performance.

@jameskang2380 3 года назад

How do I find the time of my E6b when my distance is less than at least 10 NM?

@Karuiko 4 года назад

What plotter is that? I keep using CP-R ones and they keep falling apart.

@pi3080 5 лет назад

Thank you John. Great tutorial. Qq: the -6c° you are using for the cruise perf chart, is it from the metar? If yes, does it make sense to look too at the forecasted cruise oat? Thank you. Great channel!

@muffinman6739 6 лет назад

Great informative video, just have trouble seeing what you put down on the nav log because your finders are in the way most of the time.

@ritchierich2820 5 лет назад

I feel like everyone does cross country planning differently 😒

@DICEcontent 5 лет назад

And every single flight plan log looks different

@simauriveiro6340 4 года назад

Yeap !

@loner_3586 4 года назад

I swear🙅😂

@myotherusername9224 4 года назад

and every time you get in a new cockpit, the controls/instruments/seating, ergonomics, etc., are all different. What's the same? Physics, chemistry and gravity. Maths. The basics: www.amazon.com/Stick-Rudder-Explanation-Art-Flying/dp/0070362408 I once read a story by a guy who had the great good fortune once upon a time to right seat with Yeager in a seaplane Yeager had never flown. He said Yeager's every landing was *perfect*. Did you know Yeager used to own a Part 103 Quicksilver? I think the more different ways I learn to do something,the more firmly I grasp the underlying essentials. Variety: it's a feature, not a bug.

@PaulGarthAviation 3 года назад

Yeah. Everyone gets to their destination... eventually.... LOL!

@BoomerBlogging 6 лет назад

After watching all of this I am so far behind that I actually think I'm ahead. My plan B - take up sailing . . .

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 лет назад

Wouldn't check out just yet....sitting down with the right CFI for 30 minutes or so can usually sort all that out!

@BoomerBlogging 6 лет назад

Thanks - just started my PPL on Sunday - at age 59 - your videos are amazing and will be checking in as a patron.

@flyer9544 5 лет назад

Follow your dreams...

@goldie9864 11 месяцев назад

@@BoomerBlogging Seeing this comment 5yrs after you posted....hope you got the PPL. I started late too (50), just solo'd and x-country is next. Slower to learn than when I was a teen.

@jacksonlightner1248 5 лет назад

I love you

@suzukirider9030 2 года назад

dear god... I'll do this once, for my PPL checkride. Or if I ever need to fly several hundred miles over the ocean in a pre-digital aircraft with a 6-pack. Where a paper map, the mechanical compass, an airspeed indicator and a wristwatch - would be my only means to guestimate my position and find the island or aircraft carrier - the only place I could land, within hundreds of miles of open ocean. But, only an insane pilot would actually go through all this before a local VFR flight within the continent. Even an interstate one. Heck even an IFR one...

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 2 года назад

It gets quicker and much easier if you practice 👍

@goodisnipr Год назад

Writing with ink might make the record last for 15 years, but definitely not 50. Pencil, being graphite, and graphite being a mineral, means it's actually written in stone and will last as near to eternity as long as the paper doesn't burn or rot.

@pizzlesauce 5 лет назад

Pro tip, use the 60 minutes used for planning and get in the car and get a head start.

@mrAZcardinal 4 года назад

@The Punisher is he wrong though

@Jeffrey-Flys 4 года назад

"Where we're going there are no roads!!!!"

@AbdulazizAlmawash 3 года назад

how did he determine the pressure altitude for cruise with the altimeter setting of 30.42?! METARS? They show only current & past altimeter settings. not useful when my flight is after an hour or more. TAFS? Looked for many, they do not show altimeter settings at all.. How?.. just how..cuz i cant go to the next if even that I didn't know how to calculate. I hate blind following..

@Dan007UT 4 года назад

For PPL practical test, do you do all of this before it starts or while the DPE is over your shoulder?

@suzukirider9030 2 года назад

Beforehand, typically. Which is kind of moot, because the most volatile part - wind correction - makes the most sense to do immediately prior to the flight. But the DPEs also know you'll probably never ever do this in your life again, so they let you do it at home and bring a properly filled but out-of-touch with reality nav log to the exam. Sigh.

@piperpilot44253 5 лет назад

Best video for X country planning. Perfect to send to my students.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 5 лет назад

Glad that it helped!!

@goodisnipr Год назад

Fantastic, now a challenge for the viewers is to do it all again with the RPM at 2.1k to see if there's a fuel savings.

@RAF_Armourer 6 лет назад

Happy New Year 2018. Hi, I like the plotter you are using, with the compass rose on the end. Who makes it please? Thx.

@CarbCutter75 6 лет назад

That plotter is the wind slide part of a Cessna flight school E6B. It’s flight computer and plotter all in one device. It’s a great emergency backup in the cockpit. I picked one up for a couple bucks on eBay.

@ShawnCampbellFlynBetty 4 года назад

I know this video is already long but, He spoke to fast and went way to fast through this. thank goodness for the pause button. Also, I like filling in all the squares. Overall, I like this guys style of teaching.

@The_R_Vid 4 года назад

Not a pilot, though I did follow what you did here. I've never thought about much you'd need to write down in flight. What do you recommend for a left handed pilot flying something like a Cirrus, with a side stick? Should that pilot fly from the right seat, but then they'd be farther from the instruments. Or are lefties limited only to flying aircraft with yokes? Or regularly use autopilot to free up their writing hand to record instructions from ATC?

@alexmccabe1948 5 лет назад

I’m having a lot of trouble understanding how you are using pressure altitude.

@artwright3128 4 года назад

What plotter r u using?

@floatingbunt3929 5 лет назад

Your use of the E6-B is painfully vague

@babyboi0103 4 года назад

Everything he explained was painfully vague for a student pilot who's never done a lot before. Such as my life with most CFIs

@stonewall5792 4 года назад

Floating Bunt You don’t have to use a old e6-b, especially on check-rides.

@Maxmilion6004 4 года назад

@@stonewall5792 are you sure?

@endsdio4834 3 года назад

Max Sperlich Maybe past PPL?

@Maxmilion6004 3 года назад

I agree with these comments about cfis being horrible at teaching this shit and it really comes off as they dont want to do it but have to. Its fucking annoying. Check out part time pilors channel. I went from being pissed off and confused to plotting my own shit from weight to balance to performance and climbs in a half an hour. He makes things so easy to understand and breaks it down. Again part time pilot. These otger cfis on youtube never get back to people. Unless something negative is said. People alays respond to negativity. Its sad. But most of the courses are like ask questions and we will get right back to you and you can see unanswered questions from 2 years ago