Ep 14 : Magma power and water filtration : Oxygen not included Spaced out 

Doh, I left the filler bridge on. I should have removed that before I activated the aquatuner. I will have to remove a bead from that loop. Thanks for the spot.

@@FrancisJohnYT You can prevent that (if you forget to remove the bridge that feeds the loop) by using two bridges in the main loop. Best illustration of the technique I know of is here: www.reddit.com/r/Oxygennotincluded/comments/gdk3h8/how_to_plumb_your_aquatuner/

I have not achieved either state yet, but the rocket chimney got me pretty close.

How is Roket chimney going

I can't help myself, once I start something I have to see it through.

i... think he did that in some older series?? i'm not sure though. He definitely frozen gasses to the point of just trowing them up into solid piles, and he once replaced all the magma with ice on one play trough, so maybe i'm mixing something.

Closest I came to frozen water storage was a cryo industrial brick, it froze everything except hydrogen. A great way to dispose of unwanted liquids and gases.

I think it is from Klei's other game, Dont Starve. I could be wrong, it has been a long time since I played it. Another really good but difficult game

I found it in RU-vids copyright free music, it just felt like something appropriate to the dupes. I get a bit of a nightmare before Christmas vibe from it.

@@FrancisJohnYT Really good choice man. I was watching some of your old vids recently for the first time and was disappointed the music was different. Love your channel, right down to Mount & Blade!

Good to know! Thanks

If I planned that one I would have left room for the fourth turbine in the top left. But it works out OK in the end. Its really just a modified version of the nuclear reactor setup.

I want to drain the heat out of the core, by end game I want to have it all mined out. Will have to desalinate our water a different way then but it should still take a long time to drain the core.

“You can do that?” Welcome to ONI friend :)

@Andrew Renzema Was not thinking Steam turbine lol Also your not wrong i've not gotten far in oni :(

You can tecnically draw out power from ANYTHING remotely hot in this game and magma is VERY hot.

Welcome to ONI, this is really only the tip of the iceberg of stuff you can do, have fun discovering it all.

@@FrancisJohnYT i shall

Sorry about that, should have had it out earlier. The game is not liking the speed mod and everything is taking a lot more time.

@@FrancisJohnYT hahaha No worries!! I´m surprised that your PC hasn´t melted down already!!! xDD

We needed more power and geo thermal looked like a fun choice, but being able to combine filtration and cleaning up our mixed water tanks at the same time made the choice irresistible.

@@FrancisJohnYT I love it. Might have to shut down Rimworld a bit, and go play around with this in ONI instead 😍

Filling the map with tiles works, takes a long time though.

It does feel a bit easy but I don't mind. It's not going to stop us making heat spikes, just make it more tedious.

If we close the exit then their will be a bead of water left behind the vent, if/when it boils it will damage the pipe. Need to stop the water outside the steam room.

@@FrancisJohnYT you are absolutely right and I would have made a small mess in my steam room 🤦

For now we have plenty of dirt, not really bothered shipping out all the junk in there. Maybe later. Wonder how tall we can get the water tank.

@@FrancisJohnYT take it to the border of space, putting in the needed drywall. Eventually expand it down into the magma biome after you … do something over the top with it! :)

The liquid lock is still there for now though I have removed door access for dupes. Lets hope this filtration remains stable.

@@FrancisJohnYT I seen towards the end but expect breaks but it's very efficient in extracting water out of polluted and salt water and might make for an interesting project if you plan on using magma from your minor volcanos for future purifying

I want to be able to get back inside it and expand it from the inside, we can't do that if the temp is above 750C. Vacuum for the win.

The key is to figure out how to fix something permanently. I mean if you set up a SPOM and hook it up to a renewable water source and some cooling for the O2 the means you never have to look at that again unless you hire more dupes than it can support. Always be trying to fix things before they run out. At some point you will run out of things that need to be fixed. Then you can start making stupid large fun projects for no reason.

I am keeping the pressure really really high at 900kg+ for exactly that reason. It's why we are using the atmo sensor mod. Additionally we can only take out 30kg/s but we can potentially input 40kg/s. I am feeling pretty safe, but we do have access back in if something breaks.

It's kinda cheaty, tho

@@mrShift_0044 If the game allows it...

I spilled some and it ended up falling down their. Good thing we walled in the bottom of the area or it would have come in contact with the heat spike.

You could cram it into rockets or infinite storage, but their is something to be said for having a gigantic water tank. Much easier to know how much you have at a glance.

He already done these kind of projects and he does not really need it on this map. But maybe if he wants to...

I toyed with that idea but decided against it in the end. The issue I ran into was which pipe do you monitor? If you monitor all four that gets really tricky. Another option was to just have the vents in a thin layer of petroleum for the overpressure trick but that felt wrong.

I considered it but decided against. No way to ensure steam does not escape. Well you could but it would take so many doors.

Water filtration or youtube? :)

@@FrancisJohnYT City planning.

I have to do more base lovin, I just end up dumping all my free time into more playing. I stated to do an episode today and ended up spending the whole day building a water tank and re doing my plumbing. In my defence it's a huge water tank.

@@FrancisJohnYT I know the problem. There is always something to improve in your base. Just keep up the good content and I hope for a new base lovin episode!

Rust deoxidizers use rust and salt. And the table salt manufacturing process also produces lots of sand. Often quite useful, too.

u can make tablesalt in the orecrusher or u can use salt for a saltgas reactor(infinite energy)

I was never really sold on table salt, it's only a +1 moral for a lot of time and effort. I'll start smashing the stuff up later when we have taken care of most of the big projects.

I'll have to add it back in. Was a bit of a refresher how much more planning you need when you are living without it.

Very possible this map is full of water vents. I'll flood the right side of the map first and see how long that takes.

Will have to check but that does not seem possible. That room is a vacuum. It might be a blob of crude oil? their was a couple of slicksters living in there.

@@FrancisJohnYT In the upper section that you are still pulling the water from. not in the lower vacuum.

@@FrancisJohnYT ​ Above the second row of ladders, going upwards from the upper pool. You can see it at the 28:00 minute mark.

Last I heard the easiest method was to build a Rover's Module, the rocket things. Then drop the rover on the planet you want to build the magma spike on. The rover can walk in the magma to build the spike for you. Make sure the rover is built from steel or it will melt in the magma after a while. Door off the area and only let the rover in. If you are to early in the tech for a rover you might have to use doors to crush the magma as you go down, destroy as little magma as you can while doing it of course.

Did not even consider that, will have to use it in the new cool steam vent tamers. Would not use it for the hot plate though. It's almost impossible we could replace it right now. Before that their is always the chance to melt it so I would just stick with the diamond. But considering how renewable it is we are going to have to take advantage of it. Same with the Aluminium.

@@FrancisJohnYT thank you for the info! I love watching your videos as I always learn something. You always make me feel like I over build though. For both the nuclear reactor and the geothermal I would have made the steam tunnels 3 blocks high and added temperature shift plates down the middle block but I guess it’s not necessary.

If you want it, then okay, but if you gonna do that, then there is cooling needed and all sorts of complications, so screw it.

A man can dream

I'm not aware of any crops that need salt water or Brine. Lettuce does need to have a layer of the stuff on them but that is not consumed. As for the crabs they don't need the water, you can dry ranch them if you want.

I'm not sure we need any more power but if we did I don't think we have enough space in that section. Maybe later we can expand the boiler room and fit in a few more things if we need to.

Power storage is not a big issue, the only reason I use the gas tanks is 150kg is just to tiny for gas storage.

Can't believe you managed to save the dupe, I bet that was an intense few minutes :) I kept my boiler nice and small, it gets the job done. Plus we need to leave some room for more projects later on.

@@FrancisJohnYThaha yes I could not believe it myself, when I saw the magma melt that igneous rock ladder where the dupe was standing I paused the game immediatly then started the building order before him being half way down the magma pool, I think that's what saved him. Forgot to mention that I love your ONI videos, I started watching them a year or two ago and purchased the game because of it, keep them going and good luck :p

Maybe a few, but so long as it's not in some form of O2 that dupes can breath in then it's not dangerous.

That would be a lot of diagonal building. Not saying it's not possible but it would be incredibly time consuming to achieve.

Actually that missing blob is necessary. When the aquatuner switches off that space will be filled. The right side loop does not have that space and when the aquatner switches off the whole loop stops moving. Will have to drain a blob from it.

@@FrancisJohnYT Ah! Wasn't aware of that.

I moved the egg it dropped so it's won't reproduce. Well my dupes dropped the egg into the magma so it's definitely won't reproduce. So I'll have to evolve it before I seal the tank, but for now it can live out a few more cycles until we need to close that up.

I want to solidify the magma biome and then dig it all up later. This might take a while but should be possible.

@@FrancisJohnYT Ahh i see... I thought you wanted to harvest the thermal power :)

Jet packs allow you to fly and work at the same time, but you can't use them in a vacuum. Well that's not quite right, they work in a vacuum but they give off lots of CO2 and you no longer have a vacuum. Causes hot complications working with magma.

@@FrancisJohnYT Dang, that sucks because I can't think of a good use for them otherwise.

I was thinking that too, right on top of the hottest part of the build seems unwise

It's to do with cooling and an even gradient of temperature. All the water drops in the centre where all the heat producers are along with the temperature sensor. Set the temp to 180C and the whole boiler with end up at that temp. Now imagine you change the temp to 170C, slowly the centre will cool to 170C and then as the 180C steam is removed via steam turbines the 170C steam will slowly take it's place until everything is 170C Now imagine a aquatuner at the end of one of the tunnel area's, the boiler is set to 180C so it is surrounded in 180C steam. But the aquatuner turns on and dumps heat into the steam driving up the temperature. Maybe only 14C, maybe more, maybe less. It depends on a bunch of factors. But it is not possible to control accurately. By putting all your heat producers in one place you can direct all your cooling their to and get a nice even temp. Otherwise you need to put temp shift plates everywhere to even the temp and that is way more work. The nuclear reactor is designed on the same principle as this boiler, all the heat and cooling go to the same spot.

@@FrancisJohnYT that makes sense!

Oh that is pretty tricky, something the pumps only pull a small packet of polluted or salty water. That makes it impossible to predict input on a per second basis. We could use liquid buffer tanks or filters, but I figured this made things a lot neater and far more straight forward to explain what we are doing.

The brine, salt water, and polluted water all produce different amounts of steam when boiled, while the turbines pull an exact amount, so without massive amounts of automation wiring, you can't do an input=output setup.

@@yaemz123 I think it's possible, still. For example, you could add the output water of the turbines to packets of exactly 10kg, then detect when they pass the pipes with a pipe sensor that activates the input water (if coming from a specific geyser) for an amount of time equals to the ratio of effective steam added vs 10kg ouput (or its nearest integer, if you know what i mean, kinda hard to explain). I know it would add a bit of automation and tweaking, which is not the point of the video. But, my point is, it is possible to do it without the mod, that are often the cause of game crashes (for my low spec at least).

@@Gargamel4530 if I understand your proposed solution, the problem still stands. If you allow a 10kg packet of input liquid to replace each 10kg packet of output water, you will lose steam pressure over time. This is because 10kg of polluted water, salt water, or brine will not produce 10kg of steam due to part of the mass turning into dirt or salt.

@@yaemz123 Yes, i know this. I didnt want to, but my previous comment wasnt obvious enough. Lets do the math. According to the wiki, 10kg of ph2o = 9.9kg h2o (steam) + 0.1kg of dirt. Wich means that, every 100 packets or so of 10kg output water, you need to add two packets of 10kg ph2o instead of one. Or, if you dont want to count to 100, you can detect the output dirt on the rail and deduce the missing steam from the amount of dirt/sand comming out. I wont argue anymore on this problem. But thats why oni is so great, for every problem there is about a billion solutions

When he had to get back in he spilled some, and he can't mop it up because that "room" is only one tile high. So he closed it up.

Now sure how to do that, the game considers solar and steam turbine to be max power all the time. It does not account for anything else.

for sure, it just takes a while to clean out the magma biome and neutronium is invincible

I suppose you could take an asteroid and dig everything out and ship it off world. But you would still be left with the rocket launch pad and any vents and geysers on the asteroid.

It takes several hundred cycles for the magma to start to get to cold. In this instance I started importing magma from the fire planet and use that magma to keep fuelling the boiler.

Never really used the infinite liquid or gas storage trick, I prefer to pay the storage cost. Plus it looks way cooler to have giant storage tanks of liquid.

@@FrancisJohnYT I have once and it took thousands of cycles

Have not checked the math in a while but even with water you can keep 6 turbines cool. The way it works is the steam turbine top emits heat equal to 10% of the heat destroyed by the turbine. So imagine 5 turbines eating 200C steam and spitting out 95C water. Between the 5 of them they are destroying 105C of temp across 10kg of Water/Steam. 10% of that is = 10.5C of heat for 10kg. An aquatuner cools the 10kg of liquid passing through it by 14C so one aquatuner can keep up with the 5 turbines easily. However if it's not working for you check a few things, are you using water or super coolant in the aquatuner? Are you cooling down steam hotter than 200C? Remember it's 10% of the destroyed heat so if you feed them 400C steam that is a temp difference of 305C which is a lot more heat to destroy.

@@FrancisJohnYT i used super coolant for both the piped coolant, and for the layer that sat on the turbines. i went as far as using thermium turbines and pipes as well. i did max out the power output for the turbines, but i can't remember what the temperature was. i believe that the temperature may have been at 204 C. i only built it because i needed a simple power solution while experimenting with sour gas boilers.

Steam turbines can be rotated like any other building, aquatuners as well.

You have a point, I just wanted to boil some water.

Totally could, but that would leave a bead of water sitting right behind the vent which may eventually soak up enough of the surrounding heat to boil and burst the pipe. The way he's done it, the valve will shut off and the pipe after the valve (including the vent) will empty out.

The water would boil in the pipe when the vent is closed (I think)

Well yes.... but for now it's not a big deal. That magma biome can eat a lot of cycles of us doing this. Their is a crazy amount of heat potential in a magma biome. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lLIP-Tpm7-k.html

@@FrancisJohnYT Yeah Absolutely! If you ever open submissions for DLC Baselovin I've got this interplanetary magma piping system using the launchers I think you'd love! That's gotta be my favorite series on youtube. Anyways that magma is precious!!! Stay amazing :)

Confirmed. Started another colony a few days ago and you cannot build through airlocks anymore.

You can do both methods. Personally both work well for me. But I guess having one type of liquid lock looks nicer idk 😅

@Andrew Renzema Once you get the method down it's just as easy as doing a large one, I put them side by side with a door in the middle at the exits to my base to seal it both from thermals and atmosphere. The trick is to mop 2 tiles away instead of right next to your blob since mopping catches the liquid on both sides of the mop command

I have always ended up with them breaking eventually. The only ones that truly lasted were the V locks and visco gel. Maybe they have patched them to be more stable but I have tried to stick with the most stable type.

You can turn magma into igneous rock and cool it down to feed hatches.

@@eugeokun2242 Yeah I know that but isn't he still making bbq in the video? He's probably feeding his dupes pepper bread but I just wanna know how he's managing his ranches. Probably should take a look into his save :p

I cut back on the ranches a long time back. I am only running 2 ranches, one stone hatch and one regular hatch. The regular are munching on Sedimentary and the stone are on Granite. Also have cored our most of the map so it provided a lot of stone.

@@FrancisJohnYT Omg it's Francis himself :):):):):):) gotta switch to sleet wheat :) thank you

That was a spill mistake during the muted bit. Little bit of supercoolant ended up at the bottom of ladder system. To think, if the tile at the bottom was not there, that supercoolant would have reached the heat spike and that would have been a catastrophe.

@@FrancisJohnYT That would have been fun to see, tho :P (but probably horrible to clean up for you, I agree)

I though I turned that on ages ago, must have been reset when we moved to the expansion. It's back on again.

This game too stronk for pc lol I wonder if they can tweak the game to function more smoothly with newer CPUs .. would be nice. Kind of like how Wow lags because of limited cpu usage

Vacuum, tiles or fine spread of gasses of the same temperature are fine to non-cheat ways of optimization. You can also cut pathing options and amount of accessible stuff lying on the ground. Helps a lot because game constantly keeping in check how exactly and where dupes can possibly access anything on the map. It's may be even worth it to cut off some LARGE amounts of resources (like a pike of 8000t of igneous rock from your magma to power converter) in inclosed space with automation access to a small portion of the stuff like Francis did with infinite food storage, because then game thinks that no dupe can access any of that like 240 stacks of 25t of material DIRECTLY and cuts off unnecessary calculation.

Walling in the map will be on the cards, though I do like the neutronium idea but only if the game got bad enough. Would prefer to use the in game mechanics to help us out.