Ep. 47 Dolby Atmos Setup Major Mistakes | Fix your Home Theater and drop Jaws!! Home Theater Gurus

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👉✅Mistakes are killing your Dolby Atmos and they are far too common. Achieve Atmos the way it SHOULD be HEARD! Home Theater Gurus top Atmos mistakes. Is a 7.1.6 worth it? Should you use wall speakers for Atmos? Dolby Atmos Major Mistakes.
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@hometheatergurus Год назад

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@hometheatergurus 5 месяцев назад

@@cd2920 I know but it's too late as this video is made. There's very important info here. and it's free so if you want that info you're gonna have to buckle up and suffer through.

@danielp6878 2 месяца назад

Thank you for this video I just emailed you.

@tikkorome5752 6 месяцев назад

I'm the Dolby Atmos mastering engineer at Deadly Mix Studios. I just wanted to watch a couple videos like this to see what information consumers are getting online so that I can take it into consideration when I'm working, but I figured I should stop and mention that this is actually really good information overall for consumers. I would add, though, that your "do what sounds best" advice should definitely come with an asterisk. In the example where you said it, yes, not much else really matters if something is blocking the direct signal. Otherwise, it's VERY important that the system is setup based on math in accordance with the recommendations provided by Dolby. It is absolutely IMPERATIVE that consumers do so. In order to ensure objects appear in their intended locations, speakers need to be where your Atmos decoder (reciever/soundbar/computer/game system) expects them to be. All the speakers work together to create the sonic illusion that a given object is moving/positioned in the space around you. If a speaker is not where it's expected to be, the effect doesn't work. This is especially problematic for moving objects because the mastering engineer designed that movement to occur in specific locations over a specific period of time. If they're too close, the sound occurs in the wrong location and the time of travel remains the same, but the distance traveled is shorter, which will make the speed slower and out of focus, or won't seem to move much at all; depending on the size ofnthe error. If the distance is too far, the speed will be in the wrong location and seem faster because it travels a greater distance in the same length of time.

@hometheatergurus 5 месяцев назад

Thanks! I do agree with everything you said. I think you'd really like ep 48 and 49 where we really dig into the studio guide which in reality if far more performanced based than the sales based home guide.

@saschaanonymous2097 5 месяцев назад

Hi, im from Germany, my room have the Couch on the Back wall my Setup ist 5.2.4 with Front hights and top rear speaker. Ist this Setup working?

@khalliwallivlogs 4 месяца назад

This is where the extraordinary Sony 360 spatial mapping come to place I believe, the avr equipped with this makes it soo much easier for the average consumer, but still just make sure the over head speakers are angled at the listening position do the 360 calibration and voila, its really something other avrs have to look into

@7071t6 4 месяца назад

tell me this, if you have a 7.1 system like say yamaha AV4A or A6A and you have 2 fronts L+R, plus 2 middle Surround speakers L=R can you add 2 L+R rear surround speakers? So its a 7.1 with just 1 subwoofer? All well and good if you have ceiling speakers, what if you do not have them and you have just rear speakers at the back of the room in each corner? Will the yamaha 7.1 work with a 7.1 sound track movie and the rear back speakers provide effects based on the movie your watching? I have heard that it will not work for atmos, other sound effects like DTS or dolby (R) and other registered sound effects based on the type or brand of av receiver you have, as per its specs ? Also with earc now days ,if your tv has atmos it will maybe not transfer the sound though the av receiver and i has seen that if you have a yamaha to put the sound on STRAIGHT and then it will? Also i know you can do a sound test to see if the speakers are working based on your set up, but again it all depends on the av sound processing system for different effects etc? Anyone with feedback would greatly be appreciated? 👍👍🦘👌✌

@HTadd1ct 3 месяца назад

@@saschaanonymous2097get your couch off the wall and only then you can discuss 4 atmos. If you don't believe me these videos are why

@samgipson8735 2 года назад

I watch the video and moved my speakers around ran room correction. It made a huge difference in discrete sounds and atmospheric sounds and music. I have a unfinished basement ceiling and I’m so glad I haven’t finished it yet because I probably would’ve never change them if I had to run wire and replace drop ceiling panels. I can’t believe the difference. I couldn’t find my laser so I used a tape measure extended from SPEAKER and pointed it at the listening position to get my aim right. Right now I’m using small box speakers. When I get the ceiling done I’m going to purchase ceiling speakers that are able to be aimed at the listing position. Thanks so much for sharing your expertise. This is really a game changer! Night and day difference. I never really heard the atmospherics until I change my speaker position and angles🤯

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Awesome... I think this comment deserves to be pinned at the top!! :)

@reggiemurphy7028 2 года назад

Yep. I agree. Fantastic video

@mikejohnson8391 2 года назад

@@hometheatergurus understand told items with THX logo like sound systems speakers sound better can produce more true Atmos or DTS:X experience so they claim means processors for audio playback was tested by DOLBY AND THX see if it meet there standards which is rare. If like video games be sure get lazy boy chairs which can butt kickers so feel and hear action. App for them goes from 100 wats and up power wise.

@qua7771 Год назад

As a Floridian, I'm envious of people who have the basements. I always have to convert a room, and end up trying to solve all kinds of limitation issues with spaces that were never intended to be media rooms. Nonetheless, its always a treat to hear about someone else's project, and progress. I hope yours is going well.

@louietheo4449 2 года назад

This is the most informative no BS video I’ve seen on this topic. So much learnt from this video that I had no idea about - and now I understand why I am so underwhelmed with my atmos setup. My speaker choice and placement is all wrong, but now I know how to fix it. Thank you

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

You're very welcome! Report back once you get them in place. We're also on Facebook.

@Dave-we1yl 2 года назад

This is the single most upgrade I’ve done to my home theater for the greatest result. And it didn’t cost me a dime. If you haven’t done this you are missing out on a great experience. Thank you

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Great feedback Dave! It's hard to put into words how huge a difference placement and setup is with Atmos.

@JeanSebastienGrise Год назад

Thanks to your advices I moved my top channels from a 90 angle to 60 degree angle instead of having them in line with the mains as suggested by Dolby home setup. What a difference, while listening to Audiosphere demo I was trying to reach for the sound with my hands. Thanks man!

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Awesome. It's crazy how much of a difference it makes.

@doublesynchrohelix8613 Год назад

Obviously with floor standing speakers, subs, even wall mounted speakers (to a degree), we can move them around the room, run correction again, run REW, and move things over and over. With holes in the ceiling, that's not exactly an option, unless you have a drop ceiling I guess you have some trial and error and replacement without breaking the bank or getting divorced... This single video changed my whole understanding (cost me a bit more money when I thougt my gear collection was over, lol) but super glad I watched this right before install up top. Was literally about to router my ceiling holes when I wanted to triple check RU-vid for any last bits of advice. Just ordered my middle Atmos row, comes tomorrow, all 6 holes will be cut by then! Thanks, sincerely, this video is gold to me and you have a new subscriber and donor.

@cableguydan 2 года назад

Great video, Steven. A real breath of fresh air - a video purely based on accurate information. I installed my height speakers (top front / top rear) back in around 2018 and fell for one of those Dolby images (I should have read the supporting documents better) and installed in ceiling speakers firing straight down. I calculated the correct angles from the MLP, but fired them straight down. 🤦‍♂️ I hope your video spreads far and wide. Many people say how useless Atmos is, yet they purchased the cheapest in ceiling speakers they could get (because height channels don’t matter, right?!?!?) and didn’t follow the correct angles. Doh. ☺️

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Dan and yeah hopefully this saves a few people. :)

@kevinmansell8746 Год назад

@@hometheatergurus so which is best Stereo or Surround

@kevinmansell8746 Год назад

@@hometheatergurus my Stereo comes with a 4 speaker Sub Woofer Sharp System with Surround 2 speakers stereo is not huge but it is a very powerful sound system

@mustangfred2006 2 года назад

I have been researching this speaker placement for several weeks now. I am only running a 5.1.2 setup and have multiple marks on my ceiling as to where to place my Focal Dome's for my top front. Got the lazer out to place them exactly in line with my front mains and rear surrounds. I watched this video at a good time cuz I was finally gonna screw them in tonight. Thank you so much for this video. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you!

@colindixon806 2 года назад

WOW! I have a very small room, just 13' x 10' and 7'6" high ceiling. Using 7.1.2. Just moving my speakers up 1' and changing the angle in to the listener, instead of the opposite the front speakers, made a HUMOUNGOUS difference to the Atmos sound. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'm now looking to upgrade to a 7.1.4 and know exactly where I will place my ceiling speakers!!!

@NES088 2 года назад

You've perfectly addressed 2 issues I've been dealing with, the confusion with Dolby's pdf regarding the width of the height speakers, it looked like it was contradicting itself and I wasn't sure which to follow, it made more sense to me to go angle based rather than based on the width of your mains, but you reaffirmed this with logic. Also with the tone winner channel limitations, I've been non stop thinking of choosing either wides or middle heights, but your explanation points out that I'm really choosing to fill either a 90 degree gap or 60 degree gap, looking at it this way makes it an obvious choice, thank you so much for breaking down the science.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks and yep sounds like your the guy that watched the whole video...😀. I'm glad you found it helpful. It's always best to understand your hobby vs blindly doing things and never know if it's right or wrong.

@scottnorris9079 2 года назад

Also (and somebody correct me if I’m wrong) but from what I understand, width speakers don’t work with the Dolby upmixer, so bang for your buck mids are better because you’ll be using them for non native Atmos mixes

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

@@scottnorris9079 Dolby's upmixer DSU has supported wides since an update that began getting pushed out around November of 2020. So I'd does upmix to wides and is freaking fantastic. As for wides vs top mids, if you have the atmos spaced out 90 or more then yeah top mids make sense. If you're placed per the video with 4 atmos grouped closer than wides are without a doubt the way to go.

@scottnorris9079 2 года назад

Home Theater Gurus that’s good to know. I’m a mlp focused kinda guy, no back row of anything, so I can get the heights in spec. Perhaps wides it is! Thanks for the info

@DavidGonzalez-rs3kt 2 года назад

Blessings and Thank You for taking the time to go into detail about the importance of properly placing Atmos speakers, amazing, peace

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks David, Glad you found it useful!

@Pk1da Месяц назад

This was the most informative video I've found on speaker placement. I'm still quite a few years from building my own dream home theater but it's alright, I'm patient. I'll definitely implement this knowledge. Thank you

@jsngb12 2 года назад

Thank you!!! I placed my top mids according to your measurements and very pleased with the sound im getting. Its a very different experience for sure. I can now distinguish and feel the sounds coming off those speakers.

@ajsdfk Год назад

Thank you. I'm building a home theater right now. Running wire tonight. And what Gene was telling me six months ago about Atmos placement makes sense now.

@doublesynchrohelix8613 Год назад

Thanks man... you cost me another $1100 right when I thought I was done to buy top middles lol... i had 2 extra amp channels and 2 more channels in my MC1 processor I wasn't going to use but EXACTLY as you said... "you don't need top middles in a small room" is all I heard in fact Jonathon on Youthman's 3 guy podcast style vid just last week said "you won't gain anything from adding a middle atmos row" when someone in the chat asked the exact question addressed here. As soon as you pull out the white board and explain the angles, my whole world came together with a sigh of relief as FINALLY making sense! Between conficting RU-vid vids, (especially) Dolby's literature, and chatting with friends who have Atmos, I was in a constant gray area of understanding... the thing with this Ep. 47 is, we don't have to take your word for it, the angles and gaps if voids of channels are left, or speakers are placed on walls, etc, it just makes sense physically! We just needed someone to explain it better as you have and I thank you.

@gbaker6478 2 года назад

I listen to what everyone has to say, that being said I always come back to you for accurate information on how and where, great job as always. Thanks again.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Graham!

@gadgetphilosophy8290 5 месяцев назад

Hey. Thanks for making these videos. When making your illustrations it would be good if you clearly define how you drawing the diagrams. Eg. Birds Eye view. From to back view. Just I was trying to work out whether the spot you magnetically attached was facing. Even when you drew the couch and person sitting was a help toward the end of the video. . Now before you assume I’m an idiot who doesn’t get it. I’m a builder and carpenter for 30 years. I understand angles. Pythagorean theory to sin cos and tan.. it would make your videos so much easier to understand. Just thought going forward it might be handy in future. New subscriber here from Australia. Thanks for your efforts.

@airman6822 2 года назад

One of the main reasons I replaced my system was to add atmos. I have a finished basement and put my atmos speakers where it was convenient at the time and was underwhelmed with the results. I have been watching your other videos and have been moving speakers around using string to aim them. Now it's time to move my atmos speakers and they are located way different from the original position based on this lesson. Cant wait to run room correction and see the difference. I have been really enjoying your channel, thanks to Youthman who sent me here. Thanks for all the advice!

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

You're welcome and report back once you get them and moved. I'm compiling the feedback... 😁

@ejim941099 2 года назад

This is probably one of the best explanations of installing, reasons, etc of atmos/speakers for home theater.

@shreesaiyt 2 года назад

Really important video I had came acrossed while redesigning my home theatre. Hope will get those jaw dropping effect from my Atmos! Thanks in advance!

@JasonHendry22 2 года назад

would recomend droping background audio from a viewer perspective its distracting for you very good info. lower it maybe 70 percent.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Yeah I've had a few say this. It sounded good on my ear buds I edit with but I guess it's still a little loud. I'll dial it back some. Thanks for the feedback. :)

@matsudakodo 2 года назад

Maybe a little, but I wouldn't say lower it by 70%...it was noticeable, but not loud.

@HereWeGo0o0 2 года назад

Leave the background music 🎵 It sounds good. Balanced and discrete. Dude complaining just doesn’t have his system dialed in.

@jimgrimm2874 2 года назад

@@HereWeGo0o0 XD

@ericshutter5305 Год назад

Pros don't use background music when they are explaining things. You want to come across as a Pro or an amateur? has nothing to do with sounding good/bad.

@0-60STYLE Год назад

Glad I stumbled upon this and thank you for taking the time to share your expertise dude for real

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Thanks and you're welcome. Make sure and see the newer videos as i have one with a one page diagram i made to quickly lay them out.

@MrBonger88 2 года назад

There’s still so much misinformation out there. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen people telling others that the ceiling speakers need to be inline with the main speakers. I would have done just that if I hadn’t seen this video. Thanks for this. Very informative

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

yep that is one of the goofiest placement ideas I've seen. Absolutely zero known angle and most often unless you have a really tall ceiling they are always placed way to wide and smearing with the bed layer. There's a reason that only exist in dotted lines and not in any written wording. It's almost like someone got confused when they made the diagrams.

@pkhammu2005 2 года назад

Great video,have seen so many high profile installers blindly following Dolby diagram. Am surprised even Trinnov engineer agreed to this layout in a podcast with Sparechange. Only Anthony Grimani said what u r saying

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks! Yeah I see very few "high end" designers that actually seem to understand the goal. Grimani is awesome and leans on the science and not a one page diagram. Gotta love that!

@evilawkeye2215 2 года назад

What a great video, wish I had watched this years ago! Definitely going to review my speaker positioning again. It just makes sense the way you explain it!

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Awesome. If possible go straight for the 35 out I recommended and no farther. If you're doing 4 up top go about 35 -40 forward. Then report back. I'm compiling all the feedback on an AVS thread.

@craiglamb9029 2 года назад

I too made the mistake of following the Atmos setup diagram. I ended up being dissatisfied and saw the DTSX demo rooms. Realizing they have the height speakers aimed at the listening positions. I learned not to use downfiring speakers. Ended up removing them and getting some higher end bipole speakers and mounting them on my ceiling around 45° @MLP. The baffle is already angled. Made all the difference in immersion.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

yep, That diagram needs to be updated quick.

@jamesphillips9128 Год назад

Thanks another great video... I've taken the time to do the angles system design is looking a lot better ... Cheers

@netster Год назад

This video is incredible! Now I get a clearer picture how to place the speaker. Thank You for making this. I will have to watch this many times over to grasp the calculations.

@hometheatergurus Год назад

See ep 49.

@netster Год назад

@@hometheatergurus I watched it three times last night and I'm still planning to continue watching it. I need to start from EP1. I stumbled upon your video while researching how to set up Dolby Atmos 7.1.3 and considering purchasing the Onkyo TX-RZ50. Thank you so much for creating the video!

@tonystoll32 2 года назад

@Home Theater Gurus - Great video as always! I appreciate the knowledge. By any chance will you do a video like this for DTS-X & Auro3D speaker placements/setups? Thanks.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Tony! I may do those in the future.

@ramonbmovies 2 года назад

Good video. I'll check placement of my atmos channels, as I swear I don't hear them most of the time, but when I put my ear right up to them they're working. I've always figured it was a placement issue. All I know is that when I go to the theater, I see 4 surrounds on the left, 4 on the right, and 4 in the back. That's in addition to the mains, center and the subs in the front. The ceiling is so high that I can't imagine they put speakers on the ceiling. In my estimation, theaters only have speakers on all 4 walls, high up, facing downward. I bet the speaker specs are basically full range, high power - because sometimes I see the woofers if the lighting is just right and they're at least 10", maybe 12" woofers. So that's 12 speakers just for the surrounds, each w/ a 12" woofer. Again, not including the mains, center and subs behind the screen.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks! See the newest video as I actually go more in depth with placement and we look at a cinema layout just to compare.

@julesvreug Год назад

Great video. I was questioning my setup which I followed the Dolby atmos guide but remember looking at Trinnov, Yamaha etc and measured eveything out i think back then on google sketch and using a laser measurer etc, my angles are spot on This was back in 2016 when building the house. My room is a odd size have a rear 4 seater and two single reclyners. My front height are mounted in the front corners pointed down, Rear heights are around 1300m from rear wall and about 300mm in from wall mounted in the ceiling with tweeters pointed to the center (rear seat), but watching your video the angles apear spot on. I cant recall looking at angles but must of as front to rear height is exactly 90degrees listner to front is exactly 35. My rear mains are in the rear corners these are floor standing towers with the tweeters at ear height. Fronts are in corner, have front left and right subs and a rear center (more for rumble). Everything sounds pin point acurate except the center ch as this is bellow the projector screen and my rear heights seem to not match the upgraded floors as its only a 6.5" yamaha and may need to go to a 8", the front height are a Jamo C9 so ok. Im looking at having two rows of seats in the future rear raised. Hopping the setup is still going to be good. not sure if its worth going from a 5.2.4 to a 7.2.6 or what ever will be any bennifit?

@sujovian 8 месяцев назад

this was super helpful. My biggest takeaway is that if I'm forced to elevate my bed layer, I can cheat the overhead layers toward the center to compensate

@jimgrimm2874 2 года назад

This is so damned good! I'm nowhere near ready to install a wicked theater system but I find this theory unreasonably interesting 🤟

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Thanks Jim!!!

@7A7ER 7 месяцев назад

Learned more in 20 mins than years of random “theater setup videos“

@hometheatergurus 7 месяцев назад

Glad it helped. Check out ep 49 for a quick method to place atmos.

@droidzhunterz6861 2 года назад

Nice Zen music. Works well for guided meditations. But informative stuff like this, not so much. Regardless your content is excellent.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Atmos and nature.... I thought it fit.. Thanks for watching!

@jadan2000 2 года назад

I'm so glad you designed my room! Atmos and surrounding sound was kinda bad before you helped me out.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

I'm glad we got to design it together as well. This was a peak from the inside. :)

@diamondjiwanpuri 2 года назад

@@hometheatergurus Hi again, how can I get the room design (speakers placements) from you? I would love to get the proper dimensions and angles. Thanks

@heasoundsystems 2 года назад

Thank you for a very straight-forward explanation that brings the important points together. Love your videos!

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks!

@wallyeng 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for this video! I learned so much from this and have been looking for exactly this kind of help!

@hometheatergurus 11 месяцев назад

You're welcome. Make sure and check out ep 49 as it's more to the point with atmos placement and has a quick formula to help you place them.

@kigbeckovic9685 2 года назад

Thank you very much for sharing your experience. I appreciate it very much. One request to you - next time please without background music. You don't need that stuff at all. I want to listen to you and focus on the content and what you have to say. I appreciate your knowledge very much. Greetings from Serbia

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thank you and as you're not the only one to think it was too loud, I'll definitely lower it.

@sonnyblu6299 2 года назад

Since my (new) AVR is not allowing me to adjust the independent volume levels of my full range, down firing, in the corners, Height speakers (for reasons unknown) I switched the settings from Height to Dolby ATMOS... AND this gives me the balance I was looking for. They are not firing at the ceiling... they are down firing from the corners to my listening location. It's working well... LOL Just had never checked doing this before. I also do not have my Mains placed directly below the heights like you mention... this just happened by chance... But Yes... I completely understand and enjoy the better dispersion of this placement. Don't know why Dolby say's place everything in line... I like the adage... If you want sound coming from a certain area... put a speaker there! Don't bounce it off the ceiling. Thank you for this video.

@EctoPlasmic 2 года назад

but what about budget conscience systems like 5.1.2? where should the atmos speakers go? There's more than just really expensive AVRs to cover.

@JollyGiant1213 2 года назад

I know right! Lol that’s what I have and I have set my 5.1.2 Atmos speakers as Top Middle on my Onkyo. My Atmos are physically placed a couple of feet in front of me on my 8 ft. ceiling. My front mains are like 10 ft. From me…

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

I can't cover them all in one video.. :) and this was about mistakes that we see often. For 5.1.2 I would place the top middle about 70-75 degrees.

@mutatedgenome 2 года назад

New intro. Getting fancy now. 😀 Thanks for the content!

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Ha.. Well I have a client that does editing for a living and he did some magic on the video. If I did that intro it would be in crayons...😀

@504Rone 2 года назад

Wow…they got me with the pdf too. I’ve been trying to figure out why my Atmos is garbage.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Check out the video that just came out. It digs in a little deeper. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kGZsrU4oNAM.html

@reflex4516 10 дней назад

Great video. My whole setup seems like it’s going to be a mess once I get it setup. I’m not sure what to do now yo make the best of it. Hopefully the Sony 360 spatial mapping will help me with some of the angles and things that I can control. I’ll probably watch this video over and over again. Lol 😝

@thebrowncinema 2 года назад

Great video! Wish these types of videos were out when I built my room! Next house I will take more time to plan everything out!

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks! Yeah we don't know what we don't know. It's always a great idea to have a pro do a room layout design. Hint hint...:)

@iSleepDoc 2 года назад

Another great video 👏👏👏👏👏 Coincidentally on the same pattern, I used my physics /sound and optics knowledge to set up my system a year ago….thanks for your great info..🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

@matsudakodo 2 года назад

How?

@Finn-McCool 2 года назад

This has shined a light on the inadequacy of my set-up. My ceiling is only 7' so my front heights especially, need to be moved from the front wall out into the room along the ceiling. As it stands, the angle of attack from my ears to the center of the speaker is ridiculous. My front heights are approximately only 4' above my ears but 8' in front of my ears. The horizontal spread is probably fine. But I need to remember that as I move them in to the room along the ceiling I need to move them toward my ears along that plane rather than simply moving them off of the wall at 90° in order to get the preferred angle of attack from speaker to ear. Thanks for this info. It really clicked when you mentioned angles are ultimately the crucial parameter. Not distance or height necessarily. An inclinometer and a laser pointer with some duct tape make for a great little tool for all of these placement shenanigans. Thanks for the videos. Learned a lot. -👍🏼

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Fin!

@Finn-McCool 2 года назад

@@hometheatergurus I have a question regarding the changes I need to make in my speaker placement. Is it necessary to tell my processor that my configuration is now (FC-RC) rather than the (FH-RH) that I have chosen in the processor menu? Moving from Front and Rear Height to Front and Rear Ceiling seems like I should choose that particular configuration in the menu. Right? I am not using in-ceiling speakers I only own the on wall "style" of Atmos speakers. Namely some inexpensive old Polk M5 speakers. Big brother to the M3ll I suppose and probably Polk's early version of their Atrium line. Only chosen because I have 6 old Polk RT55 as my base layer with a CS400 center channel. They have similar speakers from the same era so I assumed the timbre would hold up. Sorry to be so wordy with my question. I suppose I should set my processor both ways and see which one sounds best ultimately. -✌🏼

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

@@Finn-McCool see ep 3. The tolerances for heights and tops actually overlap mostly as front to back degrees. But yes I would label them exactly based on where they are angle and placement wise.

@Finn-McCool 2 года назад

@@hometheatergurus Fantastic, thanks. -👍🏼

@gab7344 Год назад

Awesome video. You are the only person that really explains the speaker placement well and how it may affect the sound output ect. The average person who is starting out doing their own install, would just go bythe Dolby layout drawings thinking that is the proper layout. A costly mistake. Great work keep it up please. My Question which I'm still not sure of is the MLP placement. If my room is 5m long do I sit at 2.5m or should it be 3quaters of the room away from the screen ?

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Thanks Gab! Check out ep 11 as it walks you through using a very easy to use calculator where you can visualize the modes and see seating options.

@gab7344 Год назад

@@hometheatergurus Thanks for reply. I will check out ep 11

@TJWood 2 года назад

Thank you so much for this great information. I am fortunate enough to be at the start of a fresh build in which I've got a dedicated 12.8 ft (Screen wall), 29.5 ft long and 7.9 ft roof height (looks weird as i converted from the metrics that we use to the closest feet) to play with. I'm currently debating everything such as suitable screens, amp, speakers and speaker locations and this information helps immensely. I've not setup a new room since my original 5.1 era and I think that a decent supporting amp and speaker setup to support Atmos is the go in 2022. I am still learning such as supporting 2 or 4 atmos speakers etc but I'll get there.

@gingerninja7187 2 года назад

Great information,I’ve never seen such a detailed video before, surely the guys at Dolby giving us the speaker placement guide should do more to help , like yourself, I can imagine people at home will be taking measurements right now, some of the people on RU-vid say you can have to many speakers , the problem is it all depends on the size and shape,from your video i gather the ideal distance is 45 degrees from speaker to speaker , give or take a bit 🤷‍♂️

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Ninja!

@texxhexxmm 11 месяцев назад

What is my Reciever "doing" when 5.2.6 is installed? Atmos is Maximum 4 height speakers right ? So what Happens If i have top middle also ..will They be silent,do i have to set Some upmix? This question even Marantz could not answer😮😅😅

@radolszewski3891 6 месяцев назад

Outstanding help! I truly appreciate all you do!

@bigdreams5554 2 года назад

7th time watching it. It's finally sinking in. :) Thanks for your help.

@Sean_y4k2l5 6 месяцев назад

what a great video, thank you. this answers exactly the questions that were on my mind

@beyondnoyeb 2 года назад

Awesome video, one of the best I’ve seen outlining all this. While I know lcr placement wouldn’t be as fun a video, do you have a similar video for them? I am building a full triad room as well with the gold lcr, so super in line with your current build.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks! Yeah ep1 covers that but be warned it was my first video and isn't going to win any awards.. :)

@davemccague222 2 года назад

Awesome video. You’re so correct placement is everything. It would be great if you could give us a tour of your beautiful home theatre. Keep up the great work

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Dave. You know I may shoot a walkthrough this weekend...

@davemccague222 2 года назад

@@hometheatergurus that would be awesome! Can’t wait!

@meStevo Год назад

Mind blown. Putting up wall-mounted Klipsch atmos speakers tomorrow and this changes everything.

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Man I'm glad you saw this first. Stop everything..ha. See the newer Atmos video where I made a one page diagram with easy formulas to find the locations.

@meStevo Год назад

@@hometheatergurus One thing i dont see about height speakers that are wall mounted (I have 4x R-41SA im going to install), is anything about angling them towards the primary seated position. Sure, they are angled down, but depending on how far away shouldn't you also need to mount them angled inwards to help create the bubble? I'm a bit limited in wall space, so they're going to go almost to the side of my primary seat and then at the ~ceiling from the front. Shouldn't the front speakers be angled in a little? Or overthinking? I've never seen mounts to accommodate that with heights like the R-41SA. I know some of my positioning isn't ideal, but figure this will be a net positive and am trying to control what I can. Thanks!

@Oleksandr-Audioholic Год назад

Super clear and useful explanation. Thanks a lot

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Glad it was helpful!

@darrenkeogh3321 2 года назад

Hey Steven! another great informative video…well done! I’ve finally pulled the trigger on a AVM-60, just wow 😯 Loving it 😘 Keep the great videos coming mate. 👍🏼🍻

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Darren!

@grommie Год назад

This is good info, about the angles is new for me.

@HTadd1ct 10 месяцев назад

It's always been there. Read the Dolby guidelines. In particular the studio one.

@northeastcorals 2 года назад

Get in, I've missed the whiteboard! 😅 Thanks for the great content as usual 👍

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Gaz and I've missed the white board too. :).

@andrew1977au 2 года назад

Great video. Thank you. Looks like I've got some work to do. My setup is completely wrong.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks. Report back with feedback!

@andrew1977au 2 года назад

@@hometheatergurus I've done a few measurements, my room sucks, I'm in a rental and there is no chance of putting speakers on the ceiling. 😢. But you have brought up a few things that I believe will definitely help, things I completely overlooked. If your up for a challenge I can email you my room measurements and relative info on my setup

@warrenxanthos8241 Год назад

Great video! Great information! I would love to see it in a SketchUp file! Or even more ambitious, in a Fusion 360 file. Then you could change room dimensions and the speakers would move accordingly!

@PTL4179 Год назад

Better yet if audioadvise free design tool can integrate the atmos speaker placement into their current app

@kamildouglas 8 месяцев назад

what about soundbars

@HTadd1ct 3 месяца назад

Forget about them.

@SpartanG087 Год назад

Is there some tool that automatically determines speaker placement if you enter in room dimensions, MLP and the desired angles? This is helpful, but I am terrible at math

@hometheatergurus Год назад

There's some online but none I'd use. Theyll place seats right in a null, don't place surrounds, rears nor atmos properly IMO and place mains flat in a wall. If you need help my email is in the description.

@SpartanG087 Год назад

@@hometheatergurus I do need help. I'm terrible at math. I just sent an email

@amdenis 2 года назад

Great video- it’ll be very useful to many, and clears up various misinfo/disinfo. I’m glad you state in the beginning that placement (angular and otherwise), depends on the specific speaker. We work with speakers like the Ocean Way HR4’s which are about 110 by 45 degrees +/- 1 dB from about 40 Hz to 22kHz and various Martin Logans like the Vanquish HP in ceiling’s that are about +/- 2.5 dB 40Hz to 22kH at about 85 x 40 degrees. Big difference between them and let’s say the Focal Solo 6’s, Barefoot, Klipsch or PMC or others in terms of sweep angles that are optimal or even viable for placement, as well as what happens when you skew to the listener across the speaker’s horizontals. One thing that I find is very important, and which many who are mixing ATMOS (not even counting those who mix ATMOS in binaural on headphones), is that the LFE for music is handled massively different from mixing for movies in the Dolby Renderer and into the DAW. In fact, many of us doing ATMOS and other immersive mixing work mix via objects rather than to the Bed (i.e. not channeled to the bed in the renderer, but sent to objects instead), which has major implications in terms of effectively ignoring LFE metadata in most mix configs and situations. Then NAD, Trinnov, Focal, Marantz and others vary both the setting options as well as what they mean. So, my advice generally is to try to opt for wide dispersion pattern monitors and speakers, and consider the average listener position rather than the extremes in most situations. There are other tricks you can play psychoacoustically in terms of DSP, room materials/surfaces, etc, but for many those are not realistic options. Anyway, just my opinion from the limited, maybe 8 years of ATMOS experience. In any case, I am thankful it generally keeps improving both on the mixing/mastering and the consumer/end-user levels.

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Very True, unfortunately manufactures throw around the term wide dispersion as it sells and many don't even understand what the difference in controlled dispersion vs wide dispersion as the two mean very different things. I did a video a few years back that touched on it but should probably do an updated one.

@markmcalister4478 Год назад

Very informative and really makes sense.

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Thanks Mark!

@tyroneearnest4513 2 месяца назад

Great video that I will watch again and again to get it right. However, and I realize its just for learning/demonstration purposes, it always makes me cringe when someone plops my 'head' right smack dab in the middle of a room. You even see this habit on angle charts or in guides! I suppose it doesnt much matter in a learning/guide enviroment but it always makes me wonder how many people set up their system according to these charts, and get the set up right, but install based off less-than-optimum seating locations that is oh so commonly indicated on graphs and in guides.

@johngibbons579 Год назад

Any recommendations for a small space where MLP’s are backed right up against a wall? I’m running a 5.1.4 and my Rear surrounds are kind of planted in line with the couch and the rear atmos are attached to the wall close to the ceiling and do not have much separation (looking for ceiling speaker options as well) Also - I find the bass very “boomy” against the wall as opposed to if I E.g lean forward and away from the wall. Thank you

@timothyclauw7035 2 года назад

Great video and very informative. If I’ve set up my heights(svs prime Elevations mounted to my ceiling) per your videos and Dolby Atmos , should I assign in my Denon 4500 as top front and rears which is in the correct placement but only will output Dolby Atmos old dts-x or should I assign as front and rear HEIGHTS , to gain Auro 3D ? I’m not really noticing an overall immersive experience. Thank you for all of your videos and knowledge you share to help out the dedicated enthusiasts.

@chadwick1e466 2 года назад

Glad I ran across this video. I’m running a 5.1.2 and it looks like a Top middle is the best placement for my setup as there is much debate on this subject, especially when your cutting into your ceiling, good planning is a must. I feel the majority of us out there have 5.1.2 because of cost, but starting out with a top middle makes it easier to upgrade later with a better processor and separates later…7.2.6 hopefully but who knows, 5.1.2 may be good enough with the right placement Anyways :)

@Marzen216 2 года назад

if you're going to the effort to pull wire for a pair of overheads, why not pull for 4 spkrs? You're not going to want to do that all over again in the future.

@chadwick1e466 2 года назад

@@Marzen216 I guess I’m more fortunate than others when it comes to running wires, but I have full access to my attic so it’s really not that big a deal to add 2 more pairs of front and rear later on when I’m ready. I think the best way to think about all this is that for most of us, home theater is nothing more than an expensive hobby that ultimately is a rabbit hole of endless possibilities where there really is no end game. I’m just trying to do the best with what I have and unfortunately I’m maxed out at 7.2 or 5.2.2 and I’m ok with that for now.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks! If you're doing top mid I'd go about 20 degrees forward and no more than 35 apart each way. Now if you want to later upgrade to more that isn't the best place for the top mid.

@skywalknotpossible Год назад

Hey mate, how happy you are with the 5.1.2? What angles did you decide to go with? Cheers

@chadwick1e466 Год назад

@@skywalknotpossible so 5.1.2 - I decided after much deliberation that the top middle overall was the best option when dealing with Atmos. I’m running a Marantz Slimline nr1710 processor integrated amp along side an Emotiva BasX A2 separate to drive the Emotiva airmotive T1+ towers. The Marantz drives everything else -the Emotiva C1+ center, B1+ rear surrounds, and top middle Emotiva Atmos air Vaulta in ceiling pair. A SVS PB 1000 pro Sub Slams in the rest. Its a simple bare bones symphony of sound, but I think that little slimline is maxed out-lol The top middle sounded more “magical” when I tried each of the 3 configurations. Hope that helps. Cheers back! 🍻

@marcusaguirre7032 2 года назад

I'm going to have to watch this like 3 more times

@FURognar 2 года назад

I am going to go with a Top-Middle because I want to do Front Height and Rear Height to use Auro3D upmixer with my non-Atmos content (of which there is a LOT). I recently helped a friend of mine set his system up with front and rear heights (he already had the speakers and didnt want to mount on the ceiling) and we compared Native Atmos with Ready Player One to upmix with Auromatic and the upmix was phenomenal. It almost kept up with the native Atmos. His room is small enough that the height position gets him closer to the proper angles but I feel he does have a hole right in the middle, but its the limitstions of what he was willing to do. I got him to upgrade from a Atmos enabled ceiling bounce. His current speaker positions actually sound pretty good. We tested it with a bunch of different Atmos and DTSX discs and his height layer sounds quite good. Using 7.4.4. So that convinced me to do 7.4.6 for my own dedicated build using heights to be able to access Auro3D/Auromatic and to use Top-Middles to fill in the hole.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Front and Rear Heights are actually Atmos locations and share most of their degree windows with top front and top rear. Many people don't realize that. Check out ep 3 where we dive into the dolby pdf showing the placement options of atmos. But yes it is a version of a 7.1.6 and sounds very good. Just make sure to get that separation from the bedlayer. The height options don't sound as good at the lower end of their tolerances.

@planninegoodtimes 7 месяцев назад

This video was confusing at first. I’m glad I watched to the end because it clicked. I currently have a Sony receiver that handles 5.1. I’d like to install ceiling speakers to accommodate atmos. Does that mean I need to shop for a receiver that will be designed for atmos with 11 channels?

@talkenrain842 2 года назад

Useful and logical. Looks like the mount angle necessary for most atmos setups is pretty substantial... Wondering what (if any) are good in-ceiling speakers for atmos that can be angled as drastic as necessary and still get the wife approval?

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Yep we actually talk about a few good ones in the video.

@WOLFx1950 2 года назад

So if my overheads have a tweeter that I could angle , then I should point at the listening position instead of make it fire downward right?

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Absolutely. Aim Them!!!!

@sirtng Год назад

Blew my mind, never heard this anywhere else

@EricMulder1 Год назад

Bit of an odd situation: the room I'm planning to build has a 9' ceiling for most of the room, but from the back wall, to about 4 feet out, I have the HVAC bulkhead running which reduces the ceiling height to 8'. How would I calculate the rear atmos placement for this situation?

@crazydwarfer 2 года назад

Unfortunately, already installed ceiling speakers following the previous videos, and thought they have to be in line with the fronts 😭. What about the 5.1.2 positioning? With the couch back to the wall? Great video and knowledge as always.

@crazydwarfer 2 года назад

Do you have an updated video on Atmos positioning for 5.1.2 configuration? I mean, what is the best position for Atmos and bed layer when you have your coach against the back wall, and 9 feet from the viewing position to the screen/fronts? Thank you so much for the answer. P.S. Cannot move the coach really :)

@DaniloZimatore 7 месяцев назад

@hometheatergurus

@Ballistica242 2 года назад

This was fantastic, where would be the ideal placement where only 2 height channels are possible (AVR only support 5.1.2), overhead in the middle (90 degrees to bed layer) or weighted towards the front and angled?

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks. Top front about 35 forward and 35 out

@mmark300 2 года назад

Information that would have been nice to know 4 YEARS AGO!! Haha - although mine isn't THAT bad and I do have some room restrictions, it could definitely be better.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

ha...I've learned the hard way so I've been there... :)

@audfrknaveen2256 2 года назад

Great video as always !!! 😀👍👍

@MarymMatthews 2 года назад

Very helpful video as always. If you could have only one, which would you prefer: wides (9.x.4) or top middles (7.x.6)?

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Marym, top mid (7.1.6) for the reasons at the end of the video.

@HTadd1ct 6 месяцев назад

hey. someone on avs forums claims the atmos speaker layout should be done in a circle and not a square. i tested this idea using sketch-up and the results are rather interesting. the circle spacing does end up being closer together than if i did a square.

@hometheatergurus 6 месяцев назад

People say a lot things.. 🤷😁. I Never said it should be a square BTW. You're top rear are almost always going to be a tad closer due to the height of the rear surrounds.

@joker927 2 года назад

I watch videos like this, take notes, then realize I can't do any of it due to room limitations lol Compromises must be made

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Yep sometimes that just the way it is.

@paulk9534 7 месяцев назад

How about only two ceiling speakers but with two rows of seating? Is it better to heave them fwd of the first row or slightly behind the primary seating position? If theres going to be a gap… where should it have least impact?

@stephenthwaite3115 5 месяцев назад

I only have a ceiling height of 6’8.I have followed your advice on Atmos speaker positioning and it’s spot on. Side speaker positioning is a challenge with such a low ceiling.You suggest 4’ high for a 8’ ceiling so does that suggest 3’4 high for a 6’8 ceiling?

@HTadd1ct 3 месяца назад

Ear level is the benchmark and the starting point.

@chrismonterubio9475 2 года назад

What’s funny is the diagram you showed in the beginning so people can “half-ass” it as you put it, if they take the time and click the link, they can get the same pdf file you’re reading from. And it’s pretty easy to set it up correctly.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Yes, that's true but it's also why the video takes you into the pdf and then goes farther to pick out what sounds good and what lacks. In some cases the pdf may have someone thinking a setup is optimal when it is severely degrading performance. So sure it's easy to set up but it's also easy to end up with a not so great sounding room using that same pdf.

@ghostfaceknuts 9 месяцев назад

Really great information. On a side note, are you by any chance the grown up child actor who played Peter Pans son in the 90s Robin Williams movie Hook?

@hometheatergurus 9 месяцев назад

Thanks and no.. Hahaha. Definitely not me. 😁

@kevinstone2275 2 года назад

Ugh, this is a great video. And I just ran speaker wires in walls to rear and ceiling speakers based on that dang dolby diagram (I deep dived into every combo they had but still didn't understand it until your video), but I think I'm not too far off the angles. But now I have my architect software up, some paper, pen and protractor trying to double check. Also - thanks for pointing out those amps that can run the higher # of channels. I could not find a good amp that did enough, so I bailed on more than 2 ceiling speakers. I'm sub'd your channel, will be watching it a lot. And even though drywall just went in, I'll run wires across the ceiling if I have to at this point if I can get this right with more height speakers. Awesome info.

@BassBringsUsTogether 2 года назад

Nice man! This video makes me want to buy another subwoofer 🔊 😂, have a good one buddy! Great content as always

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Bro! And yeah you need a few more Subs..😅

@coreymarotta 2 года назад

Please clarify the center above placement meaning is that a single speaker placement directly above the listening position or center above left/right per Dolby’s layout? Of all the videos, I have found this tutorial and info most valuable related to proper positioning in addition to Dolby’s methodology and how to best amend within one’s particular space.

@coreymarotta 2 года назад

25:18ish

@OptimalAudioVideo 2 года назад

Thank you for this excellent explanation.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Optimal!

@BoyGenius-1 2 года назад

Great video. I’ve always looked at those Dolby drawings with speaking separation in mind…first. Looking forward to the AVM70 review. I’ve been trying to decide between it and the Monoprice HTP-1, so that Tonewinner review would help also.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks BG! I need to get the AVM70 video out. I should have the Tonewinner 300 in for review in the near future.

@adrigonzyify 2 года назад

@@hometheatergurus Thank you very much 👍😉And Sexy Arms & Cute Bald 😉👍🔥🔥🔥👏👏👏

@adamjj85 2 года назад

Great video! With regards to two rows of seating, I noticed you were basing all angles off of the first row. I was doing mine based on the midpoint between the first and second row to try and give even preference between each row. Any issues with that?

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks Adam, Multiple rows gets a little deep but ideally you'll pick a MLP as you must have a point to lay all of the angles on. The location of the mains, rears, surrounds and atmos are based on this point. Even the screen size is based on the MLP. The other rows will have some compromises but there are ways to still achieve awesome sound to all rows. As for mid point between two rows, unfortunately that means no speakers are in tolerance for any row.

@williamwilson1393 2 года назад

That was the most informative 30 minutes I've experienced, well done Mr. Smith!

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Thanks William!

@richardperry21 2 года назад

Sorry I don't quite understand what view we are looking at in the first part 45-Degrees. A 45-degree radius up from the man's ear position to the ceiling. Then the next view is 35 degrees from each atmos separation to each speaker correct?

@MrPninja 2 года назад

Awesome vid but it’s not possible me to have any ceiling speakers so all I have is to put them high on the wall back and front

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

Hey you have to make the best of what you have to work with. It can still sound great!

@TylerStout 2 года назад

Definitely learned something new. I've poked around that 70 page dolby PDF but never noticed the picture how to space them, always thought it was based on main width. Honestly it's probably something along the lines of the average room has 8 foot ceilings and main width and height width become the same so they simplified it but they really should have a disclaimer stating that. What are your thoughts on if you have your seats on a back wall (non-dedicated room) would you go 5.1.4 with the atmos speakers on the back wall 12-18" above, 5.1.2 with top middle, or going with an auro3d config with front height and side height at the 30 degree up mark. I'm kinda leaning towards the auro setup since I think 5.1.4 atmos would be too jank and I think the upgrade to 4 height speakers and using upmixing would be the superior approach over only having two height speakers but them being proper. Currently thinking I buy a pair of in ceiling speakers and build an external box with a 30 degree baffle angle and try them out and worst case scenario I put them in the ceiling and I only lose the cost of some MDF. Edit: also only have a 7 channel AVR so it's more going to dictate what I buy in the future.

@hometheatergurus 2 года назад

That's an option and I've actually had a few clients do that.