Ep10 Solutions in Food storage : Oxygen not included 

Maybe the hermit kept alive by using the z axis and having a farm there, whereas your colony only uses the x and y axes.

Don't forget to add a light in the kitchen for the speed bonus.

I've never understood a single bit of ONI lore but the data logs are very endearing. Someone had a lot of fun writing those

That heat conduction building sounds like it's going to be incredibly handy for regolith harvesting! No more spreading petroleum blobs around in space to keep the robo miners cool.

If you build the planetarium science station, the data-banks collected from analyzing the volcanoes and vents will get you around 120 disks, almost enough to get to RAD engine, without the space stuff. And there IS a natural gas vent on the oil biome, if you look for it there.

A friend asked me to describe ONI to them, and the best I could do was tell them "It's a temperature management game. It's really fun, I swear!" and I feel like I did a terrible job. But when you cover specific heat capacity and thermal conductivity, and it's so important to various aspects of the game, I really feel like it's fair to say it's a big part of the game :) Thanks for covering all this detailed info in your videos Francis - I always enjoy these :)

Put the hermit's bed next to the dupe that glows in the dark on the same schedule. New Best friend/ nightlight!

Never apologise for going over the thirty minute mark when you’re playing ONI.

Building entombment, building broken, flooding, overheated... Looks like it's day 221 in Francis' colony!

Oil wells themselves generate natural gas (excessive pressure) without the boiler

Just a suggestion Francis. Considering that all the dups are narcoleptic, rather than have them go through the liquid locks into the steam room, have them drop off hot stuff on the floor above, then sweep it through a rail to the steam room below. Takes away ALL chance that they might fall asleep and drop something in the oil liquid locks. 🙂

oh man, copper floor (copper being known germicide), no atmosphere, light irradiation and very freezing temperature? That has to be one of the best food storage methods I can think of.

Your kitchen needs a microbe musher as well, especially since you are going to space very soon. Berry sludge is just too nice

If there is an atmosphere in the food storage then the food looks at the colder number (likely the atmosphere) for if the food is deep frozen or not, meaning as soon at gets into the room it is deep frozen, and having the benefit of making it so polluted oxygen doesn’t off-gas, and if it’s chlorine then it disinfects it fast too.

Francis: "and I've gone past the 30 minute mark..." Me: *Surprised Meep face*

Best use of conductive plates is to cool regolith miners and sweepy docks that service rocket silos.

Ok so speaking as a scientist, that last log? Totally a conversation I could see happening in my own labs... Up to and including food going missing.

Please, more of this, longer and more often. Really enjoy your Oni content. Keep it up. Also I really liked the holiday home for duplicands idea where everything is fully automated as an end goal. No manual labour FTW!.

wow this food storage system is elegant, simple and efficient. I used to make something similar only in the supercoolant phase, but never this smart

Right on time for lunch. Grub and FJ vids always go well with each other.

You should put an autosweeper next to your Printing Pod, so that any food you print from it can automatically get whisked to your food storage

You make these play-thrus look easy, I have a hard time getting into plastics, let alone, Steam Turbines, Oil, and now a volcano geesh

You can use Fertilizer Synthesizer for natural gas, 2-3 of them are enough to maintain cooking. I use closed system, feeding from outside, automatic feeding inside and self cooling with polluted water. Also Natural Gas Vent is too hot(150 degree celsius?). There should be one vent at least but i don't recommend it. Edit: Alsooo you probably have enough bleach stone to make lettuce for 1000 cycle, maybe more... You can also tame chlorine vent with puffs to make moar bleach stone.

hey, author of True Tiles here: it doesn't and can't alter temperature behavior of tiles. It only messes with the rendering of the visuals. That's still a normal copper metal tile, nothing was changed on it.

I believe that it is enough that the gas around the food is

nothing like a little kitchen remodeling, with a lovely background track of dupes snoring XD

I was having the same issue with temps not going down in my freezer, and I don't use any mods. Think it might be a vanilla glitch, so i switched to hydrogen instead of vacuum and it hasn't had any problems yet. Thank you for the food tutorial on this stuff you did a while back. Hugely helpful in getting my food into a deep freeze situation.

I have been waiting all week for another episode. Thanks

you do have naturalgas when doing a petroleum boiler. The oil wells give of 33,3g/s of natural gas. 3 of them is almost 100g/s which is enough to run 1 gas range 24/7.

Loving the ONI content! Please oh please keep up with the ONI content even after this playthrough

a few things to mention: 1. instead of making volcano tamers, you could make a transit tube network linking all volcanoes, both metal and non, to a central steam bath and boiler. use the pitcher pump and bottle emptiers for this. i am building a colony around this. 2. don't forget that a single puft drops 47.5 kg of slime, enough for 11 dusk caps. 3. speaking of the mini pumps, it maybe worth it to build a central puft ranch, fed by layered polluted water rows with mini gas pumps that are spaced apart from each other.

Should give the new dupe the tux with the tie - I think that's what's laying outside the gate. Would be funny with his hair. 😆

41:21 The hermit is 3304 cycles old, yeesh. No wonder he would only come out after giving him some amazing food, poor guy has probably been eating those tasteless nutrient bars the entire time.

One quick hacky solution to the scattered food problem would be to allow a single duplicant access to the manual use loader through their own special room and forbid them from going in the kitchen. You wouldn't be able to feed that duplicant very easily but if it was a radioactive dupe you wouldn't have to.

It was about 2 years ago on the baby base where you melted napta for the cooling loop. Just re-watching that series 😊

Glad the dupes don't care about what temp the food is, otherwise I'd imagine we'd have to heat up those ice cold (and probably rock hard) barbecues and such. Probably a mod around if you wanted to do that though.

Always enjoyable when you're zoomed in and patiently explaining your set up. Especially now we get to see your dupes happily skipping along only to fall on their faces from time to time to take a little nap.

For the natural gas and lettuce you could run a few fertilizer synthesizers. You'll need to ranch dreckos but you do have the option to buttress your meat production through starvation ranching. Plus you can make reed fiber and plastic at the same time.

Watch me cook. Aren't I glowing! Thanks for showing a new fridge set up cause they are goofy as hell now-a-days.

16:24 I seem to remember that the temperature of the food is relevant for deep freezing only if the food is in facuum, while if it is in a sterile gas it's the gas temperature that counts

This made me wish I had chosen the larger asteroid again as well as not forgot to disable the Power control station to stop consuming my ore, 20t of steel would've been lovely too. personally would've put the Kitchen on the level of the printing pod, seems like it would be a perfect fit, especially with such a large one meant for many dupes. Also don't forget the lights, the grinder and a micro musher for space foods!

You should give the Extra Snazzy Suit to the Hermit!!!

I love using Regulators for my colony fridges. A single pip planted wild wheezewort can handle their heat output easily.

I love the tile mod. Thanks for the video btw! I I'm always looking forward for your new content

One thing about deep freezers is that the food does not have to be at -18 C if it is in an atomosphere that is below -18. Additionally, gases below 1 g do not transfer heat to surrounding materials (e.g. blobs of naphtha). If you put 0.1 g of hydrogen in each freezer spot and run the radiant pipes through the hydrogen, you won't need to worry about bugs with the debris not transferring heat. You can get 0.1 g hydrogen in with a gas valve and a pipe by destroying a pipe with the 0.1 grams of hydrogen within the freezers.

Mined out abyssalite causing temperature problems? Francis, you're losing your touch. I still remember when you made the point in babybase that abyssalite debris doesn't transfer heat. Analyzing geysers and volcanoes gives databanks that you can use in place of the orbital data collection lab databanks. It's usually enough to do a couple researches. Interesting enough, the ones from geysers are made of genetic ooze and don't melt, where as the ones from the orbital data collection lab are made of plastic and do melt.

Just like my kitchen! Slab of copper plate, next to some depleted uranium, with various deep-frozen edibles on top.. yumm-yumm!!

Just to say I was hoping you'd find a use for the spice grinder - I've read somewhere it can 'freshen' food back to 100% any food that is going stale... maybe you could add a step to freshen all the frozen stuff? Great video as always. Your mastery of this game really makes me feel like a thick-o... I've still not 'won' a game in about 500 hours hehe Cheers!

That whole hermit deal was so much fun. Really cute.

Love the videos. Please keep them coming.

Francis you can put an referigator with lower priority than convayer loader and sweap only and all food selected . Now whenever you have some new food lying around the base you can just sweep it and dups will put it into that freeze and auto sweeper will put it into infinite food storage. Also place a mesh tile in front of naptha blob (food storage)for radiated dups vomiting.

I believe what's happening with the "food not decreasing in temperature until reload" is actually related to the mass of the food in question. The way ONI temperature change calculations work, if the difference is too small, no heat is transferred. Debris - Solid tile (which is the only conduction you have in the vacuum) doesn't have a very good multiplier to start with, plus the abysmal .6 thermal conductivity, and finally the minimal mass (only 1 kg for the food in question!) all combine to give a number too small for the game to track, aka "no transfer". The reason Save + Reload fixes this is that it re-stacks debris in the same tile -- so suddenly your 1 kg seafood is part of the same stack as all the other kgs of seafood, and with more mass, the temperature change threshold is reached, and heat transfer can occur. You can exploit this mechanic to your favor, though! If the gas in an area has little enough mass (we're talking micrograms, ideally), it won't be able to transfer temperature to the liquid lock, but can still be lowered down to a freezing environment to keep your food fresh!

The problem with some of the food not hitting deep freeze temps, or cooling at all really, is that if it's been cooled down inside of a fridge its temperature is clamped for some reason. As long as you're not continually using fridges once that food goes off it'll stop being a problem. Reloading might fix it but it's a pretty minor problem as long as you didn't have dozens and dozens of fridges stuffed with food. I do think chlorine (or hydrogen) will fix the issue as well, the temperature will remain clamped but the atmosphere will set the food's status to deep freeze rather than refrigerated

For the food, you could just put a sweeper next to the printing pod.

It just dawned on me that the Hermit is a reference to Pearl from Don't Starve Together. Good ol' Klei.

Francis, to increase the temp transfer and germ killing you can drop bleach stone in your food storage. Chlorine condenses at -34c so -19 on the autmation should to wonders.

I can’t be the only one who thought “a sour gas boiler to make burgers is exactly what sort of builds I came here to see”

inching our way to hour long episodes, im not complaining.

One episode with more then 30 minutes...inconceivable!😂

Great video 🔝👍

I made a wheezewort room for my infinite food storage. Once it gets to -67 F or -55 C. The plants stifle until it goes up couple degrees. All it cost is the auto sweeper every few cycles for the phosphorite.

Conduction panel works well in my opinion, but it also works unpowered. So I put it in my vacuum food storage to cool down the food better than simply contact with the bottom tile. It lets me deep freeze food while in a vacuum. Also, for lots of natural gas, make fertilizer.

Would be a good idea to move the raw food conveyor loader to nearer the central ladder to save them traipsing to the back of the kitchen for each delivery :) Also - there's only really space around the finishes cooked food storagw, but you could extend it slightly and add a mini gas pump, so you could extract the rot pile and quickly re-vacuum it in the case of decomposition you can't automatically catch quickly enough. P.S. Make sure to forbid mutants in cooking machines if you haven't already?

Food in gas environment that is under -18 C is considered deep frozen, no matter the actual temperature of the food. It could be boiling and still deeply frozen :) It's much easier with chlorine, and the "cold" that escapes is negligible, due to minuscule mass of liquid barrier.

I think the food not cooling down is a bug. I've had it before where food that was recently taken from a refrigerator is put into a deep freezer. Maybe the game is coded to keep the temp at 1C when in a fridge and doesn't update accordingly to being carried by dupes? I've solved that bug by letting food warm up ever so slightly after having it removed from the fridge, but before putting it in the conveyor loader. Saving/reloading apparently works as well. I've not seen this bug since, and I play with True tiles (and a few other dozen mods) as well. (I just avoid moving stuff from refrigerators into my deep freezer) I doubt either True tiles of the duplicant reroll mod is making this bug happen but you never know. Love the series!

I don't think the food temperature is a bug, its supposed to work that way. If you drop food into a vacuum you need to cool the food to -18 or colder for it to freeze. If you freeze the Environment you're dropping the food into to -18 or colder the food will instantly freeze as soon as it drops out of the chute! Much easier. I use carbon dioxide or hydrogen both work equally well.

Personal experience with conductive panels in space: Robominers, Autosweepers, Payload Launchers and Openers, and Rocket Loaders/Unloaders that aren't adjacent to the rockets (1 empty pad is enough space) are all perfectly handled by a conductive panel. Radbolt Launchers are not, and I haven't even bothered trying a Steam Turbine. Industrial machinery, I haven't tried, but might be possible to do with multiple conductive panels per machine... On that note, maybe try a vacuum industrial brick? I've been rewatching the Rime series with the Cryobrick, and you've done plenty of industrial saunas!

With the changes to how food decays awhile back I've always found a 2 tile Co2 or 1 tile Co2 fridge tile work a bit better than they used to and easily out way the vacuum fridge, but you can use chlorine fridges due to how the game calculates thermal conductivity of gas vs food vs tile contact. Which makes chlorine very.. well strange as the chlorine gas could be -8 and the tile the foods sitting on is -18 and the game just assumes the foods in deep freeze while it comes out of the cooking devices at 75 C and just flash deep freezes the second the food touches the tile.

Tame the chlorine vent for infinite bleachstone? Also: what if you met all your illumination needs through shine bug imprisonment?

Brilliant video!

PUFF RANCHES!!!! squeaky puffs for bleach stone for lettuce, and regular puffs for slime for mushrooms!!!

you don't need a sour gas boiler, the oil wells produce natural gas on their own right? also add a microbe musher to make berry sludge

Get large petrol engines with data banks from analysing geysers. Build a 30 tile range rocket with a cargo bay. If you get one guilded asteroid field you can gather a ton of fullerene which will set you up for a loong time. Plenty of magma to use as a heat source for your sour gas boiler. You can be set up before cycle 500 or 600.

Honestly the vacuum fridge is such a hassle, eventually your dupes will haul a half eaten piece of food that's close to rotting and you will get nice blob of polluted oxygen in there. I just close it off, stick a piece of bleach stone for the freezing to happen instantly, and corner grab the food needed into a powered fridge so the dupes can access it

Yeah, setting the kitchen up with fully automated food sorting/delivery is a bit tricky once you go beyond one grill/stove. I have 4 of each in my megabase, and it took a lot of trial and error to design everything.

For natural gas, since you want to run a petroleum boiler, the oil wells that collect the crude oil will release some natural gas.

how do the temp shift plates work with the insulated tiles? could you use those to make the food freeze faster or do the insulated tiles have an interaction?

Had a good idea today. What about putting a shine bug in the fridge as a fridge light? also radiation, the real reason.

Francis, you just haven't located the Natural Gas Vent on this map yet. Gotta get to demolishing more the the map. There is more fun to discover. :P

Hey Francis. you can make a pretty cool gas filter by sticking an element sensor on the pipe and a vent on the next tile of piping. if the desired gas is in the pipe you close the vent, if its not the desired gas you open it via automation. I know its not the 100% power free filter, but it doesnt feel as glitch-abusive.

I have a short video about vacuum heat transfer bug. I solved it with a mechanized door underneath the food that opens and closes in regular intervals. Might worth investigating.

If anyone is trying to make napththa - remember that abyssalite won't conduct heat so make sure the hot corner pieces is obsidian.

The bug with food temperature: Sometimes when food is stored in a refrigerator, it gets stuck at 1 degree until save/reload. So since you're not using refrigerators, it shouldn't happen again.

There's a natural gas geyser in a slime biome lower on the right side of the map.

The food does not cool fast enough because there is no medium for the transfer of heat energy. i use a liquid medium(10X better than hydrogen). specifically super coolant.(or petroleum if you don't have super coolant). note: you cannot use tiny amount of medium, it must be at least 1kg(i use 10kg) otherwise the game will delete the medium. i block 1 side with naptha 10kg so my dups can access the "fridge". Setup the naptha first before putting in the medium, otherwise the medium will flow all over the place.

Well, the scientist log entry does make sense when you consider the ONI lore.

Yeah, I usually just have a gas in the freezer tile, helps spreading the cold and prevents offgassing

Hey Francis, you still have a pretty large chunk of unexplored space in the bottom right of the map. What lies beneath? Also, I'm going to echo a lot of people here. Bleach stone into the food storage. You have a 16C range from deep freeze to chlorine condensation. It's definitely the easiest sterile gas to work with until you can get solid carbon dioxide with rockets. You don't need to do any sort of shenanigans to maintain a deep freeze status without condensing the chlorine. The loop running through the thermo regulator set to cool anything above 19C will work just fine.

Food stuck at 1 degree celsius: I had it happen as well, its something with genetic ooze-based items exchanging temperature with things while on rails when rail is first placed. Reloading fixed it for me, and has been stable for ~150 cycles already. Wouldnt worry anymore

As you explored in a very entertaining but for you frustrating way about two years ago: For food considered to be instantly deep frozen despite its own temperature the game looks for the colder of the foods temperature and the atmosphere it's in. But vacuum doesn't count as an atmosphere with temperature anymore.

Don't forget to check out the toolbox from the hermit 😅

Awwwyeaaa new vid!

-40 might be too low we dont want the naphtha freezing and destroying the liquid lock on the food storage, i think naphtha is good till -50 but make it -25 just to be safe, no need for such low temperatures, also for a while the temperature of the food itself didnt matter just the gas its sitting in so you dont need to worry about the rate that the food exchanges heat with the tile, just that the gas its in stays below -18, i am not sure if it is still that way, but i am positive, stick some bleach stone in there and try it if u can.

Oil wells each produce 33.3g/s of natural gas. 3 wells produce enough to keep one range working almost continuously which should be enough for a lot of dupes.

love the Oni playthroughs, always go over the 30 minute mark. have you looked into the geotuners yet? i started my first world in a while and just now got to the point i could potentially use one

I'm not sure how feasible it is but Fertilizer Synthesizers make 10 g/s NatGas. The Gas Range uses 100 g/c but I don't think it'll be on all the time, while the FS can run pretty much 100%. Definitely put lights over them for maximum NatGas efficiency.

Always love your ONI playthrough :). Have you ever thought of trying out Captain of industry? its kinda similar to Factorio. Would really like to see you tackle it :)

Jorge is basically a super dupe

For the food storage square, I don't use vacuum but I place a piece of bleach stone there, it will emit a bit of chlorine gas which stays there because it's heavier than oxygen, then I seal the square off. The chlorine will help to eliminate any germs that may find their way to the food I have. Do you think this is good? I don't know, it's been a long time I haven't played. It's a bit finicky to keep the chlorine in gas form when I freeze the thing, though.

It's all fun and games until a dupe falls asleep and drops super hot material in the oil liquid lock