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EPIC CNC upgrade - episode 2. part 2 assembly and fine tuning 

Piotr Fox Wysocki
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In this episode i will continue the build of ultra rigid and precise Y axis module for my granite cnc with the top of the shelf components. ground ball screws, precision motor mounts, motion control products servos and so on.
links to the sites i got my parts from:
www.motioncont...
maxtenso on aliexpress:
maxtenso.aliex...
dy-global on ebay:
www.ebay.com/s...
parts list showed in this episode with prices:
THK NNB BNFN2005EFM-2.5RRG0-399LC5F Z Axis Ground Ball Screw BSC-I-543=1D65 - US $249.90
TBI NNB DFDR2505DRD-719.5L double nut Ground Ball Screw 2505+719 BSC-I-715=1M21 - US $200
Schneeberger Roller Linear Guide Bearing MRC25G2-V2+1000L 2R4B Used MONORAIL MR - US $449.90
THK Preload Ground Ball Screw Used DIK2510-4+1105L support unit CNC router - US $299.90
IKO Used LRX20+360mm 2Rails 4Blocks ROLLER LM GUIDE THK SRG20C CNC Router - US $269.90
SYK Nut Bracket MGD25 - US $49.97
SYK support unit FK15 - US $56.22
SYK support unit BK15 - US $70.34
SYK Motor Bracket MBA15-D - US $40.62
MTO Coupling GFC-30x35 - 12x14 - US $11.08
MTO Coupling GFC-30x35 - 15x14 - US $11.08
total US $2,886.82

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@molitovv
@molitovv 4 года назад
Bob Ross: Happy Accident Fox Wysocki: Good Fuck-up
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
I guess. I take happy accidents more personally ;) just as they really are ;)
@BrendaEM
@BrendaEM 4 года назад
It's difficult bolting things with countersunk screws because the order in which you tighten them affects the alignment. Even the concentricity of the screws may affect the outcome. A small drop super-glue cynoacrylate may keep parts from shifting when clamped : ) It's bond can usually be broken with a mallet. I've used glue-gun glue to hold two parts so they can be drilled to be tapped, but aluminum pulls the heat from it pretty quick, so the bond is light. I am a similar coupler on my CNC (which I finally got moved to were I can use it.) The orange-polyurethane is little strange but it seems to work. I wish it had one more screw on the pinch-bolt. When you pointed out the bend in the ballscrew it reminding me of this extreme setup they used to limit the non-axial effects. If I make a machine as precise as yours, I may use that technique. There's a video on my channel about the "1 micron axis." I won't post a link. This is your channel. I guess, if you wanted to get pedantic, you could put the far end ballscrew mount on linear ways, so as the ballscrew stretches, it won't bow. On my CNC, the parts came with one pair of angular contact bearings on one end--and one radial bearing with a sliding fit on the other. I should grease the other end, now that I think of it. Excessively Neat stuff! Cool project!
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
cool ideas Brenda :) thank you!
@BrendaEM
@BrendaEM 4 года назад
@@PiotrFoxWysocki , you are welcome. You make good stuff!
@drewgossage8842
@drewgossage8842 3 года назад
Excessively neat, or just the right amount 😂😂😂
@ThomasAntosiewicz
@ThomasAntosiewicz 4 года назад
Jesteś moim mistrzem i kimś na kim mogę się wzorować budując swoją frezarkę CNC. Dziękuję za pomoc :)
@Legendinium
@Legendinium 4 года назад
Thanks for going into details in your videos. It's very interesting to follow along with your thinking on tolerances and compounding errors - what matters and what doesn't. :)
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@polluce82
@polluce82 2 месяца назад
Hello Piotr, outstanding work on your machine! I've been inspired to change my design from fixed to moving gantry, using your approach with granite! I'm desiging the machine but I'm not sure how did you setup the control part: I see you're using now AC servos, but how do you drive them? Do you have a servo drive for each motor? does the servo drives communicate with the motion control box? Could you provide more details about your controller box? Thank you very much in advance and keep up the good work!
@VegaMaker
@VegaMaker 4 года назад
Nice to see you again. Very useful information for me, because i try to make my own cnc mill, but with epoxy granite. Maybe i will film it, but as you know, filming and making - it's very long ) Thank you!
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
Go for it! and yeah filming makes it 5x longer
@damienmiller
@damienmiller 4 года назад
I use a torque wrench when tightening the locking screws on jaw couplings - most come with a torque spec for this and you really don't want to mess up the threads by overtightening
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
Or destroying ball bearings.
@kurtbilinski1723
@kurtbilinski1723 2 года назад
Look into "Bonderite" or "Alodine" for priming/protecting aluminum, whether or not it's going to be painted.
@kooldoozer
@kooldoozer 3 года назад
Hello Poitr, Great machine build. I saw your screw setup and had an idea and question. I see the structure is like a C-channel and is very rigid. I also notice you mount your bearings with 90° angle brackets. If you think it would be a benefit... You could mount your bearings with a flange to the end of your C-channel structure. (no angle brackets, just flat plate for the bearings. This way, you could add tension to the ball screws, and your C-channel structure would be in compression, and take the force perfectly and not bend. Is there an advantage to a tensioned ball screw ? Maybe. I know they do this with very long and high speed ball screws to reduce whip. It just seems if you redesign your brackets into plates, the potential to apply load in pure compression, and not bending could be a benefit. It seems you fancy the concept for modular components that can be had from the catalogue, but plates that I am suggesting are a quite simple machined part. So, no criticism of what you have in any way, just an idea for making a more rigid drive system, from an engineering point of view. You have 90% of what you need right now. Keep up the fine work. --Doozer
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 3 года назад
I guess you are right for something longer. Those screws are really fat and short. I dont expect much of wiplash. On the other hand if you "stretch" the screw you might be bending the frame. I think it might be extra tricky to dial everything down.
@kooldoozer
@kooldoozer 3 года назад
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Just wanted to give some intellectual stimulation ! LOL Love your machine.
@clivemilne7787
@clivemilne7787 4 года назад
Piotr... I highly recommend wrapping the exposed metal with masking tape to prevent sparks (molten metal) sticking to any precision surface.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
and what about dust/filings getting stuck to the glue residue and static charge when you peel off masking tape?
@fupersly
@fupersly 4 года назад
thanks for sharing Piotr. Question: Are these units going on your Granite CNC mill? If so where?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
Y axis. Sides of the machine. I woud recomend to see part 1.
@IceTurf
@IceTurf 4 года назад
Dumb question - I am considering building a small desktop CNC and I am curious about using Chinese linear rails because I do not plan on using the machine to make a living. Are the Chinese Linear Rails just not as heavy duty as your new rails or are they worn out or were they crap to begin with? (Are they at all worth it or should I steer clear entirely?)
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
It will work. It works on my current machine. But they wont be accurate and they will develop play quie quick. But if you get decent ones they will last much longer and they will be much more precise.
@DMonZ1988
@DMonZ1988 4 года назад
hey Piotr, me again! i know a detailed video is coming eventually, but could i ask you a few questions about the motors you're using please? did they send you the 400W or 750W kit? i don't think you mentioned it! i'm trying to decide between cheaper integrated DC servo motors and the AC servo kit from motioncontrol you're using. am i correct in saying that the AC servos are powered directly by mains AC, through a breaker board, meaning i don't need any additional power supply or rectifiers? because if so, the additional 4 DC power supplies certainly reduce the difference in price.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
400w kit, and yes you plug them directly to ac. no need for power supply and you need smaller electric box to fit it in
@DMonZ1988
@DMonZ1988 4 года назад
@@PiotrFoxWysocki hey. awesome, thanks so much for getting back to me. hmmm. that makes the decision pretty tough. its still more expensive, but really not by that much. i've been tempted to downsize and cut corners for budget reasons, but i think i'm gonna slow down again and try to do things properly and get the good stuff :-D
@EngineeringSpareTime
@EngineeringSpareTime 4 года назад
Most of the time the “good stuff“ is worth buying and definitely more fun in the long run!
@ruslanmustaev8170
@ruslanmustaev8170 4 года назад
Hi Piotr, Good job! Probably anodizing could be a better way to paint it.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
Yes, you are right. this was my in my mind, but my tanks are 10 cm shorter than those plates, i could try to do them on angle or something but this would be way to much work. and since this is somewhere where it wont be touched, or seen, i just went with easier and quicker way.
@evren.builds
@evren.builds 4 года назад
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Also usually sandblasting then painting results in a very durable surface as long as you let them dry.
@evren.builds
@evren.builds 4 года назад
When this thing is finished Its going to look soo sleak. But the cut quality and precision might overshadow how good it looks. Have you tried milling stainless on it? I've only seen you mill aluminum.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
Not sure if accidental pases on a hardened steel vise jaws or pararels counts? Finish looks amazing ;)
@evren.builds
@evren.builds 4 года назад
@@PiotrFoxWysocki :D oops. That sure counts. People online always seem to say that a moving gantry configuration will never be stiff enough to mill steel. I'd love to see you prove them wrong with those monster rails and granite body ^^
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
Thing is that for steel i need second set of endmils and some practice with feeds and speeds. I had one job where i had to slot in steel and it's just like milling aluminium but a bit slower. And finish looks better than aluminium because it's harder. One day once i have to do steel i will make a video. At the moment i dont feel the need to invest in new tools just to prove something.
@evren.builds
@evren.builds 4 года назад
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Totally understandable. When you do I'll be the first one to click on it . Have a wonderful day!
@chimaeria6887
@chimaeria6887 4 года назад
Evren Uçar lol who says that? There plenty of moving gantry cnc on youtube that can mill steel.
@alexd6070
@alexd6070 4 года назад
Piotr, hi. Did u try threadmilling on your cnc?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
yes i did. but i run out of tool holders and i didnt wanted to change any tools. beside, thread milling requires few test runs to get it right and i was feeling lazy with fusion as well.. i just need more tool holders!
@cazevedo77
@cazevedo77 3 года назад
Hi ! BK support should be used on the motor side. Why are you using BF support ?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 3 года назад
i bought a BK instead of BF my mistake, there was a lots of parts. anyway it worked great because i needed more spacers (tubes) for the ball screw.
@IceTurf
@IceTurf 4 года назад
Did you flatten that aluminum before bolting it all together - or is it just as flat as it was from the factory?
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
just as it was, thickness variation is around 10 microns. so it was better to leave it be. it was to long for my machine to face both ends at once. and if i would change setup than i could introduce even bigger error. beside it is precise enough, its more important for it to be rigid than micron precise.
@IceTurf
@IceTurf 4 года назад
@@PiotrFoxWysocki Crap - where do you get aluminum that is that flat from the get go? The last aluminum 6061 extrusions I got were bowed by about 1mm over 100mm of width. And An unknown amount over the length.
@luisfrodriguez6641
@luisfrodriguez6641 4 года назад
​@@IceTurf I've heard of C-250 aluminium plate, which comes precision milled (www.aalco.co.uk/datasheets/Aluminium-Alloy-GAL-C250-Precision-Milled-Plate_457.ashx)
@flyingfoxcam6026
@flyingfoxcam6026 4 года назад
@@IceTurf dont get me wrong. It was bowed. What i ment was the consisrency in the thickness. As you noticed in the video i was clamping it with parallels to straighten it up. Mounting surface under the motor mount and end block is very small. So aluminium will straighten up under the compression coming from bolting those components in. They are all steel. Goal here was to have very rigid unit which will be mounted in to the cnc and than tunned further.
@bassgojoe
@bassgojoe 4 года назад
I’m surprised you cut the ballscrew shaft rather than making an extension plate for putting between the motor and the mount.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
yes, adding extra plate would increase alignment error. and those motor mounts are precision made, so you could only make it worse.
@dalebrisson7673
@dalebrisson7673 4 года назад
epic as always
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
You are way to kind ;) thanks
@iforms9061
@iforms9061 4 года назад
use oleiс acid while making screw - it'll make it perfect, mirror-smooth and easy.
@Z-add
@Z-add 4 года назад
i believe you could buy an aluminum U channel. that is essentially what you build here.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
I know but i wasn't able to find anything that thick. I know in the country of US and A you can find anything. But not so much in NZ. Max what we have is 6mm thick.
@OVINNI-POOH
@OVINNI-POOH 4 года назад
Cast iron to process, IMHO. Or cut the rails from a single piece of iron. Or propellers for marine vessels. Not?
@OVINNI-POOH
@OVINNI-POOH 4 года назад
I don't understand anything in English. I've been watching this guy for two years. ;)
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
мудрая голова после слова ;)
@mass1s
@mass1s 4 года назад
That style of shaft coupling is bad for precision applications, as it is torsionally flexible. It's made for absorbing shock loads, not positioning accuracy. You want the metal bellows, single piece flexure or disc flexure type. Everything else looks great. EDIT: I did some research and it appears that I was wrong.
@mikedelcastillo
@mikedelcastillo 4 года назад
@Barry Manilowa That's a ball screw not a lead screw. From what I understand, it's meant to eliminate backlash altogether.
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
Thats exactly right
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
I had a single piece flexture coupling before installed in the machine on all axis when it snapped in one of 2 of my Y axis. The other axis kept going and bendig both of the Y screws. Since that accident i prefer something that wont snap in half. I jave replaced all the couplings in to this tipe after the accident. No problems since. Beside this coupling is much much stiffer than a single flexture coupling.
@fabiofoltran4361
@fabiofoltran4361 4 года назад
@@mikedelcastillo it is and it's a quality one from what I understand , it's also has a preloaded double nut for eliminating even more backlash..I would call it a backlash free system nothing can do better ..(of course a better ballscrew could )
@DanielHeineck
@DanielHeineck 4 года назад
It also largely depends on the hardness of the rubber -- you see these kinds of coupling in commercial machine tools, but the rubber is very hard, only giving way when things go badly, and help with misalignment (as do the bellows types).
@EngineeringSpareTime
@EngineeringSpareTime 4 года назад
Really nice updates to your machine! I just documented the build of my CNC Milling Machine in a video - you might enjoy watching it :)
@SilverRainSR
@SilverRainSR 4 года назад
Cool!
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
I'm glad you like it :)
@zdenkostanec1622
@zdenkostanec1622 4 года назад
Wo hoo , first , Hi Fox ! =D
@PiotrFoxWysocki
@PiotrFoxWysocki 4 года назад
dobar dan Zdenko :) you won :D
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