Epic Depreciation - BSA Gold Star 650 - How much did the previous owner lose in 12 months?

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I always wanted a BSA Gold Star from the moment I first saw them at the NEC in Birmingham in 2021, to relive the memories of my father and his Red BSA Gold Star in the 1970's.
The value of modern BSA motorcycles is dropping rapidly, mainly due to a lack of available parts and dealer support in the UK.
As an owner facing rideability issues with my BSA Gold Star, I now understand why bike dealers offer low trade-in values for these bikes.
Anyone that tells you "reliability issues are all resolved" is hamming-it-up. What they really mean is their own reliability issues are resolved, they don't speak for us, only themselves.
I am seeing early 2024 bikes having head gaskets replaced, even the first batch of bikes didn't need any head work doing. They'll tell you that the "health check" resolves the reliability issues.
Not that the health check covers any of the issues my BSA is having plus the poor folk out there having wiring looms replaced.
2024 BSA Service Campaign: • BSA Gold Star 2024 Ser...
Then there's the influencers, people with poor mechanical attributes who do not know how to correctly measure their oil after an oil change, give me strength!
Link to check them check oil level: • How to check your BSA ...
The situation isn't helped by some owners who dismiss the problems, unlike any other motorcycle brand community's.
Comments like "2,500 trouble-free miles" from owners hint that there are underlying issues they are aware of with ownership.
Personally, I've received zero support from Lukas Distribution. If you buy a 12-month-old motorcycle privately, you're no longer their priority. It feels like they focus on new buyers with problems and leave the rest of us behind.
If we as BSA Gold Star owners hope to see any value in our motorcycles, aftersales support needs to be re-imagined entirely.
If BSA concentrated on helping owners with faults, sales would take care of themselves.
Instead, they heavily discount pricing and leave the dealers to mop up the mess.
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@marksimpson4363 8 дней назад

Mr Tingle strikes again with brutal honesty and facts, nice one Alex 👍

@MotoTingle 8 дней назад

@@marksimpson4363 Need to do better on my audio. Thanks. Seeing a few die hard BSA influencers changing to other brands. Had their bikes for a few months, yet raved about them in videos 😂 yeah, I’m unlikely to sell on a brilliant machine.

@WyreForestBiker День назад

I respect your honesty and willingness to tell it how it is. There are far too many "Influencers" who refuse to give anything but praise for every bike they review often reciting the " all modern bikes are reliable " mantra , and arrogantly suggesting people who are not convinced by Indian and Chinese bikes are some kind of xenophobic dinosaur. I test rode the BSA shortly after it was released and enjoyed it , but certain aspects of the finish and stories I was hearing about the company concerned me so I decided it wasn't for me.... The dealer dumped the brand less than 12 months later.

@MotoTingle День назад

This is all an owners perspective. I’m a motorcycle mechanic and using the same warranty system any owner has to. It’s been a tragic experience that most can’t/wont talk about. “Watchmaker quality” and “the gold standard” are used frequently. Oh, I’m seeing 2024 bikes getting top end rebuilds due to poor machining on the heads. Influencers: “all problems are fixed” 😂

@nickaxe771 5 часов назад

STUART FILLINGHAM FOR INSTANCE......what a ##ick.

@barriewilliams4526 День назад

Wife's 2019 Honda Rebel, 24,500 miles, zero issues! My 2021Yamaha, MTO 7,750 miles, zero issues! Sort of says it all......

@MotoTingle День назад

Swap! 😂😂😂 I believed the director of BSA when he told me stories on R&D that it would be a quality product.

@barriewilliams4526 День назад

@@MotoTingle A local dealer tried to sell me one, and I must admit, I was taken by the looks, but I'm glad I stuck with a well established Japanese brand. Good luck with your Goldie.

@MotoTingle День назад

@@barriewilliams4526 I should have bought a Kawasaki W800, but EVERYONE told me the problems were all fixed with BSA Gold Stars, all the owners groups and influencers, so I gave it a go, full of regret...

@SamWaide-t6r 17 часов назад

Not really riding motorcycles from 1970 90cc to1400cc few back problems so along with the bsa I bou a yamaha tricity 300 yamaha quality dead on 20 miles on it every frame weld was rusty 100 miles a dangerous fault in the stand assist put it along with every one sold of the road three attempts by yamaha to fix the fault which caused some deaths across the world took a year before it was sorted so let's no pretend it's only bsa that has problems

@warrenr4 День назад

It’s a cheap poorly built Indian bike with an off the shelf name plate. I’ve been riding Japan’s bikes for over 40 years and not had any of these problems. Thumbs up for the honesty of this video. Respect and good luck.

@MotoTingle День назад

Cheers, I’m a mechanic that’s been collecting bikes for years, all of them I love apart from one. It’s been a bloomin awful experience, hateful owners, terrible service from Lukas Distribution and here I am waiting five weeks just to get it into a workshop, let alone get warranty approved. Cheers!

@rekzkat День назад

Spot on Warren slapping a tank badge of a previously Iconic manufacturer on third rate motorcycles doesn't turn the sow into a silk purse.

@MotoTingle День назад

@@rekzkat Double Sided tape holds my tank badge on. Ask me how I know... Cause one side came off

@SamWaide-t6r 16 часов назад

I worked on japanese bikes and everyone had problems honda 360 destroyed cams poor oil circulation hondas replacement parts same problem funny how people are so against the Indian made bsa yet love the Indian made triumph 400 which has plenty of problems switching of the engine when people are riding it my last two bonnevilles made in thailand the great English made bsa is gone only problem with mine is the name gold it means nothing to me it will be covered up soon by a made in India decal

@pedrothewise2584 7 часов назад

problem is jap bikes have 0%claas.

@nosek1d 8 дней назад

Thank you for producing this Vlog and although I am not interested in owning a Gold Star, I am really pleased you made this video which for me highlights how fake a lot of other Vloggers are. I think it was very brave of you go be so honest and I can probably guess the names of the other Vloggers you are referring to. Due to your honesty I will be following your channel more often. Once again thank you for posting this content, great work mate.

@MotoTingle 8 дней назад

@@nosek1d it’s not been easy, I got zero help from BSA, Zero. They don’t even have a factory that can track back which bikes are affected to which shift built them. No way I just bought a random bike that just happens to be bad. No way. I should buy a lotto ticket I’m that lucky. Cheers!

@nosek1d 8 дней назад

@@MotoTingleI wish you the best of luck with getting it to where you will be happy.

@MotoTingle 8 дней назад

@@nosek1d Cheers!

@bsabiker-d7z День назад

When there was talk of bringing back the brand I was really keen to get one (I have a 1960 BSA A7SS which I bought secondhand in 1967) especially as they were trying to get out a new single cylinder bike looking like the old Gold Star. Luckily there doesn't seem to be any BSA dealers in my part of Spain so getting older and weaker I traded in my 2017 T120 Bonneville for a Royal Enfield 350 Classic. Yes it's slow but it ticks almost all the boxes for me. Thank you for telling me about all the troubles with the 'Gold Stars' I won't be looking at them the same again.

@MotoTingle День назад

I talked with the Director of BSA. He regaled me with R&D stories and I totally believed it would be a quality product. The 2024 models have machining issues on the heads so plenty of top end rebuilds going on while influencers are “all problems are sorted” 😂 - my videos are real ownership experience. Check this out, I had my 2024 health check. And had to Trailer my BSA home as it somehow suffered a battery failure overnight. What! Editing the video right now

@Paul630sqdrn 10 часов назад

I remember looking forwards to seeing the new BSA especially when the CEO said that they wanted to start building them in the Uk.

@MotoTingle 5 часов назад

Me too! He had me convinced it would be a British built motorcycle. But it’s made in a Jawa factory with appalling quality control. I heard the director is seeking funding for a UK factory, Mahindra won’t foot the bill. They can’t even trace bad batches as they don’t use a barcode or any system that helps them identify which shift made what bikes

@RedfordBaron 8 дней назад

I thought this would happen with prices I've been tempted but been following your progress and I'm not so sure now even at £2200

@MotoTingle 8 дней назад

@@RedfordBaron I think mines worth £1.950 to be fair. It’s two things, Zero help from BSA and the owners who are “I’m alright Jack”. I’ve noticed two of the top influencers have let their BSA’s go. Rhumors are they had issues but carried on promoting for views. Shame they wouldn’t tell the truth. I’d respect them more

@movieknifedude3265 2 дня назад

I bought a Norton. I had an issue and within 2 days I had Norton on the phone, they collected the bike and took it to the dealer, repaired it and returned it within a week and gave me the number to call with any future issues.

@MotoTingle 2 дня назад

@@movieknifedude3265 quality! For me BSA and Lukas Distribution left me to rot.

@jfro5867 День назад

However there’s a number of owners on the Norton forum who’ve had a miserable time with faults and lack of interest shown towards fixing them. I was genuinely interested in a Norton myself but there’s way too many going wrong. Your 2 day problem sounds about right.

@rochmel1409 4 часа назад

Luckily you. I unfortunately bought a 2012 961 four years ago. It broke down 9 months later and has been with the dealer ever since as they can't seem to fix the problem.

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

@@rochmel1409 Nooooooooooo

@pw601 День назад

There's an old saying " Never buy the first iteration of any bike" This should applies doubly to a New Marque. I thought that Post air head BMW bikes were bad in this respect with marketing overriding good engineering practice mostly driven by the car division. At least the BSA didn't cost £20k. While the depreciation is a high percentage of the sum paid and it's annoying, fix the problems even if it invalidates " the warranty" and ride the bike for years to get value. Depreciation only affects you when you sell early.

@MotoTingle День назад

Yeah, nobodys going to buy mine, upcoming videos will show you more

@coastalbiker День назад

Like you my dad had a bsa gold star and back then he said BSA stands for Best Shoved Along !!. I'm after a second bike and would love a triumph 400 x but no, promblems are beginning to surface on them so I'm going for a honda cl 500 to go with my tracer 9. All that said I hope you get your bike sorted and get to enjoy riding it and thanks for a great vid

@MotoTingle День назад

I do like a CL, owners rave about them and the fuel economy is great. I like the single sided bags too, just helps set them apart

@prep4evac Час назад

Sorry to hear all this, no biker wants that. Fingers crossed for you it gets sorted soon

@MotoTingle Час назад

Yes, its a real shame, Thank you.

@rodbowes5309 3 часа назад

The first owner presumably didn't get the full £2200 for it either! A major red flag for me would be that he was prepared to walk away from ownership with a loss of at least £5000..

@MotoTingle 2 часа назад

He got the full asking price of £2,200 - Its not a red flag if you can but at £3,000 from dealers

@howhistory5877 День назад

Well, two things really. They are not 'BSA' and they are shite.

@newbymick1 День назад

Nail on the head mate. Saying that, the BSA is a nail. I had a dealer almost begging to buy one. I walked out and bought a RE Interceptor instead.

@mdiz4564 17 часов назад

Mahindra shite actually!🤣

@SamWaide-t6r 17 часов назад

I have a 23 no trouble up to now and yes it is a bsa I had a three month old A65L back in 1972 loved it but it was like all british bikes trouble and I got the it's not a real bsa because it had oil in frame it's like a broken record of someone had made it in uk it would be a rich man's toy just like the norton if you don't like it that's okay but keep the negative thoughts to your self

@G58 10 часов назад

I said it was nasty from day one.

@stephengibbs4372 6 часов назад

BSA ….bring spanners along. 😂

@buddhastaxi666 День назад

I've had lots of bikes in the last 50 years. As examples of reliability...Kawasaki zx14 2006. Bought new kept for 15 years. 70,000 KMs. No issue. 300 km/h machine on low quality West Aussie country roads including dirt. Current bike is 1200 Thruxton. Bought with 2300kms a 18 months ago. Done 20,000 . Spent $2000 on fixing electrical issues. Lovely bike customised, especially front forks seat and gearing, ($1000), as it did not cope with wide open low quality WA country roads and gravel. As for depreciation, one example of "too much money", a RU-vidr from Suffolk, sold his as new T100 because it needed new tyres and a service and bought the latest T100....Still one man's loss is another man's gain. It's not a Beeza, it's a simulation, "paper roses paper roses "tune in background. Even the Revived Norton appears to still be a prototype. Royal Enfield...? A mate bought a $12000 2022 650 for $9000. Rode my 1200 Triumph, traded the RE after 6 months of ownership for $7000 and bought a 900 Thruxton for $8000. I recently sold a top condition 1900 Yamaha for $12000 after 4 years of ownership after paying $11000 for it. Some bikes become icons and I believe one icon is the 1200 Thruxton. Get one and you won't worry about the electrical issues.

@shanepenfold4742 День назад

Yeah mate .wa roads are a bit harsh on bikes. Was on the Northam to Spencer's brook today. Nice ride.

@drdoolittle5724 День назад

I'm truly sorry for you Guys, being a skinflint/farmer I have always waited for a long time just to see what the repair bills will be and I have only just bought my first Kawasaki, because terrified of costly failures! All the best pinning down the BSA CEO by the ( redacted for reasons of bodily sensitivities! )

@MotoTingle День назад

Hey, I appreciate you checking out my videos. It’s a motorcycle I really wanted and now I want it sold. Nobody wants to buy a wiring loom damaged BSA 😢 - enjoy your well engineered Kawasaki

@Banditmanuk 14 часов назад

A nice dose of the reality of buying a new BSA. It would scare me to think of losing the amount of cash your bikes former owner lost. Over 8 years ago, I bought my MT10 for a smidge under 10K new. I've done 40,000 trouble-free miles in that time. The bike is still probably worth 4K??, so its cost me under £1000/year depreciation doing 5,000 miles a year. Lets not add in the petrol cost 😳

@MotoTingle 5 часов назад

I enjoyed your latest bike show video. My local BSA dealer have modes the BSA display to the second hand bikes section outside of the main showroom, they are the only dealer in my county, once they give up BSA my bike will be worth even less 😂 - I think it’s about to become my winter bike.

@ChrisMason-q4w 18 часов назад

I had the same issue with an 18 plate Triumph Street Cup wiring loom,i was told the loom was too tight and it chaffed around the head stock.Needless to say i went back to Japanese.

@MotoTingle 17 часов назад

Crazy how such poor quality is acceptable. Doesn’t anyone at these companies take responsibility?

@m33triangle83 День назад

Pretty much all the same for Chinese bikes, Voge, CFMoto, Benelli and even worse for Zongsheng, QJ, Motomorini… they looks awesome when new but shows age faster. You can buy them but need to sell them before warranty ends. Got burned with one of them. Never again or maybe in 10 years. Anyway if you love it you end loving its flaws. Better if you can afford to keep it as a secondary bike. Thanks for the honest review 🫡 ride safe

@MotoTingle День назад

Agreed, these bikes are banned from our workshops for a reason. That being "if you touch it, you own it", and they combe back a week later "since you worked on my bike, something elsewhere broke and its your fault", thus we had to ban them.

@BlackdogADV 10 часов назад

I wish they were in the USA so I could buy a lightly used one for $2,000. Also, my 2010 BMW 1200GS has over 100,000 trouble free miles on it.

@MotoTingle 5 часов назад

They are coming to the USA, you’ll want to pull the tank off and reseating its loom the wiring loom at first instance. If it feels tight at the headstock, run away…

@FredFox-m9v 6 часов назад

Should have bought a Honda ! Mine is 12 years old now, with no issues. Same with my Kawasaki 900 RS SE.

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

Well engineered motorcycles

@Trev350 7 часов назад

I know two guys with Royal Enfield Meteor 350s... One currently at 26,000 miles, one at 30,000 miles. Zero issues on both. Enough said.

@MotoTingle 5 часов назад

Your making me jealous 😢

@jerrywines382 6 дней назад

It's a real shame that yours still isn't fixed as it is a cracking bike. I reckon your best bet is to fix it yourself. It's either the loom routing putting stress on a connector in the headlight bowl as you turn the bars to the left, or less likely on such a new bike, a broken wire in the loom at the headstock bend. Taking it apart and carefully investigating won't affect your warranty, so it's worth a shot surely.

@MotoTingle 6 дней назад

I just didnt want to invaluidate the warranty, ill do a video on it to show everyone

@anthonyprice5596 День назад

This is interesting, Stuart Fillingham has just bought one, it will kill them if he has problems he has big viewer numbers. I suspected it was too good to be true.

@MotoTingle День назад

@@anthonyprice5596 I’ve seen a few of the top influencers who rode BSA’s change to other brands now. With no mention of why.

@jujuUK68 День назад

Fillingham's a twat of the First Order. If I sent him a turd in the post, with a label that said "This is a Royal Enfield", he'd kiss it, and probably try to wear it. If Triumph sent him a gold bar, he'd complain it wasn't a platinum one. His channel is unviewable, unless you've got the kind of low IQ that voted "Reform".

@drdoolittle5724 День назад

cos of his 'name', did they give it to him!!!

@MickHargreaves-g7r День назад

Bingley Wheeler also just bought one

@edwardwest5035 День назад

He doesn't influence me.

@michaelpratt5160 22 часа назад

So sorry to hear that… I was hoping they would make their way to the US but now, not so much… I started riding with a Suzuki Savage 650 single (1986…) and I was looking forward to the retro experience with a 650 single, now there is no way I would get one. I have a Royal Enfield Super Meteor 650 and I’ve had zero problems with it, fit and finish is so much better than the INT650 I had a few years ago and I love the parallel twin. I was hoping to add the BSA at some point, oh well… I hope they get it sorted soon.

@MotoTingle 22 часа назад

@@michaelpratt5160 BSA are coming to the USA. And they’ll be marketed as a British Motorcycle. The influencers will rejoice at its rebirth and they’ll all announce the issues with build quality are over. Like you, I’m used to riding trouble free motorcycles, getting zero support from the manufacturer was a huge shock to me. I’d like to sell this bike and be done with it but nobody wants a bike with a broken loom

@waltermatthews1155 День назад

I so wanted this bike had a test ride, couldn’t get on with the clocks being at a strange angle, just couldn’t gel with bike, went to dealers only couple of weeks ago and brand. New down to 5k.

@MotoTingle День назад

The clocks are from a Jawa 42. Influencers will tell you “they were specially created for the Gold Star”

@ianhalliwell8604 2 часа назад

I bought my Midnight black GoldStar on the 1st March 2023 for £6800 + otr making £7100 then I replaced the poor rear shocks with upgraded ones from tec for £88. My first service was an offer deal of £100. Due to a heart attack in May this year I've hardly used it and now have 675 miles on the cloc Tried a 9k Honda last month and was offered £2600 in p/ex, on a Yamaha i was offered 3 grand. The distributor i bought it from gave up selling them in January so he wasn't interested and the new Distributor didn't even answer my e-mail when i I asked about a Kawasaki they had. To add insult to injury i put it into ' we buy any bike's ' website and they told me they weren't interested in a BSA as well. The bikes OK it's BSA that are shot.

@MotoTingle 2 часа назад

I totaly feel for oyu and FULLY AGREE> BSA and Lukas Distrubution havent lifted a finger to assit me with these faults. It should NEVER have been this way, BSA has superb investment and its being run by people that feel butt hurt that we the owners speak out with issues. Dealers know their trade, if they cant make money they are not interested, my local dealer says 80% of BSA's have returned for warranty work. Yes the infuencers are telling us life is good. - BSA will never see this but if they did id beg them to improve customer relations and step up to help owners. Valus would then increase as confidence is restored. - Truth is, they can not even trace who built what bike at the factory, later this year they are implimenting a barcoded system for parts. The issue isnt the parts! its the people making the bikes!

@otaupdate3151 День назад

I never loose money on any vehicles I buy. I have been known to lose loads.

@SameSh1tDifferentDrain 2 дня назад

Won't bother me I'm not planning on selling mine...love it too much

@MotoTingle День назад

@@SameSh1tDifferentDrain I’m stuck with mine also, just a shame Lukas Distribution and BSA wouldn’t assist with my loom fault. Finding I’m mot alone, a guy had his two weeks old late month, now losing engine oil. I thought the build issues were over? Clearly not

@SameSh1tDifferentDrain День назад

@MotoTingle I'm surprised by Lukas as they were really good with me with the cutting out issue....did you buy privately? Also the loom around the headstock issue is well known (mine had a new loom and a new engine before i bought it) what reason do Lukas give for not assisting you?

@MotoTingle День назад

@@SameSh1tDifferentDrain They didn’t provide a reason. So I waited 5 weeks to get into a dealer and opted for a loom repair rather than a three month wait for a loom. Everyone said the loom issue didn’t exist on anyone else’s BSA. Like you it’s well well documented. I did buy second hand but 12 months old and 800 miles on it. Which shouldn’t leave an owner out in the cold just because I didn’t go to a dealer. It’s a shame.

@jfro5867 День назад

@@MotoTingle Buying the first run of any new model always is a gamble. In 2016 I had a brand new Triumph T120 Black, one of the first batch. The wiring loom on that was way too tight around the headstock when I turned the bars to the right, the clocks misted up badly, the front wheel was badly spoked. I put up with it for a short while then just got rid because it spoilt the whole thing for me. You are in a similar position sadly. If you hang in and get the thing sorted you’ve still had a massive bargain of a bike.

@MotoTingle День назад

@@jfro5867 and that’s the thing, my bikes third or fourth batch to enter UK 🇬🇧 they made no effort to improve, which is a shame.

@Rosbif06600 6 часов назад

I bought an Interceptor this year because ..... nostalgia... It has minor rust spots on the exhaust and the clocks are misting up in the cold. Minor problems I know but 2 more problems than my 2011 Tiger 800 has had in 13 years ( yeah, ok, the Tiger header pipes have some rust). Triumphs are expensive, but the quality is undeniable.

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

Quality is the key

@AndrewSinclair-bk9ho 6 часов назад

Just get a BMW Funduro same engine , not tarted up AND THE PRICE HAS STAYED STATIC FOR YEARS

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

Agreed, Ive seen BMW Funduro's hold value and loved by their owners

@andypaddon8531 День назад

Went to Bridge Motorcycles earlier this week - a new 650 for £4999 - and it's relegated to the second hand section of the store. I was tempted previously but it seems to be a bike to avoid at all cost.

@aceofspades5786 День назад

GT in Plymouth had £800 off a line of them a few months ago. Has been a flop. If they stop importing can you get spares.

@MotoTingle День назад

@@aceofspades5786I called GT and was told “we have stepped away from BSA” - GT Plymouth build race bikes, repair Ducatis and old Hondas, they have lathes and well trained mechanics. Yet they’ve stepped away from BSA, that’s saying a lot to me

@MotoTingle День назад

I noticed this also, I looked at the bikes on sale, two had the same exact loom issue mine has! And two others did not.

@stefanmaslaczyk1259 3 часа назад

Look at some of the Indian “engineering” videos on the web which they are so proud of. Working on earth floors among piles of scrap and using rulers rather than micrometers. These places could be supplying parts for assembly in a factory.

@MotoTingle 3 часа назад

I looked at the google reviews of the factory, one employe said his bos was drunk fro two days and was rude to everyone. Id make bad bikes with a bad manager

@johncranwell3783 5 часов назад

This is an interesting and excellent review of the current state of affairs….. Festival, I’m not suggesting for one minute that Royal Enfield are faultless or sometimes have their problems, every motorcycle does even if it’s a weird quirk that we’re okay to live with…. when it boils right down to it it isn’t so much the mechanics of the motorcycle. It’s the regime that built the regime of the company from what I can see from a number of these reports is that a) They wanted to get onto the nostalgic machine Sales idea and let’s be honest. It’s a great idea to start with….b) Being one of the biggest manufacturers of motorcycles, they are not in a rush to provide other motorcycles in the fleet to build the brand. C) more importantly BSA manufacturing don’t seem to have good control on quality control, after care service, parts control…. all of these are the backbone of good manufacturing and when you get it wrong, we blame the machine but actually it’s the manufacturer…. Because if I had a decent management and a decent process of due diligence and care everybody would be rejoicing…. Worst still, mud really sticks and so early on in this marques life there’s a whole mess stuck to it and it will take such a long time to clear that. Whilst I love the idea of a 650 single BSA and they do look lovely touching the nostalgic part of me when I used to own a 650 twin BSA…. Right here right now wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole…..

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

I was duped by Influencers and owners who are all screaming "all issues are now resolved". Liars!

@750triton 7 часов назад

I talked a mate out of buying one on performance figures alone. I dubbed them "Old mans rose tinted specs bike", I'm 61 lol. Indian ones aren't a patch on the original on finish, let alone performance

@MotoTingle 5 часов назад

Yeah, you should see the owners. All falling over themselves owning a BSA. Then the cries of hopelessness when faults occur. To be fair, I wanted one. But didn’t realise it’s not built like other bikes, quality components to a point, let down by poor quality control. And the influencers will say “all the problems are fixed”, I feel they are being told this like it’s a real truth. I’ll do a few more videos then I’ll try and sell this bike on, I’d really hate to sell a bad bike to someone though, it just ain’t a Good thing to do

@750triton Час назад

@@MotoTingle The Bonneville, Daytona, Blue Star, Silver star, Gold Star all earned their badges. They were road burners of their day. With the exception of the (Hinckley) Daytona, The new Bonnie and Goldie don't come anywhere close. I think I'd rather have the W650 or 800 as, by modern standards it's low on BHP, but it makes no pretences to previous glory

@MotoTingle Час назад

@@750triton Kawasaki W800 with bevel cam drive for me please

@paulbudford 2 часа назад

It's not just BSA though that has lost a lot of money. I know someone who traded in a Suzuki GSX 8. And got about half the new list price.

@MotoTingle 2 часа назад

Wow! That’s gotta hurt

@farfartony751 7 часов назад

1981 Airhead, gazillion miles. He he he.....

@MotoTingle 5 часов назад

I saw that

@Michael-gw6nj День назад

Looks like a the relays ! Enfield stuff the relays full of grease I suspect BSA do the same . On build quality they look pretty poor to me ! And when did we ever have a water cooled gold star in the sixties ?

@MotoTingle День назад

100% its loom damage. From incorrect instillation at the factory then tightened down and as you move the handlebars the loom stretches. Yes, the Director of BSA said he wanted a 500cc air cooled but emissions wouldnt make it possible. But could just as easily be a story, good sales pitch. The 650cc funduro engine was a bolt in job, nice and easy

@Michael-gw6nj День назад

@@MotoTingle perhaps they should have made a Rocket Gold star ! And used a 650 twin like Enfield ? Good luck on getting it sorted 🤔

@MotoTingle 23 часа назад

@@Michael-gw6nj Thats a really cool idea. Unfortunatly were about to get a 350cc dingle from a Jawa. Being showcased in November 2024

@alanhesketh9265 День назад

A brand new one at the new "lower" RRP of £4600 would be a great buy, "providing" this wiring issue has been sorted. At the price you paid for your bike, be patient, get the issue fixed (Under warranty) and you will be quids in, I feel sorry for anyone who bought theirs two years ago at "full" price. I love the legacy edition with the chrome finish.

@MotoTingle День назад

Yes! Legacy for me too. I just bed on Red and lost 😂

@Trev350 7 часов назад

Plastic chrome unfortunately

@Baloski46 4 часа назад

I made the right decision on not getting one yet then!

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

The Influencers will tell you a different story. The'll speak of "watchmaker quality" and "old issues all resolved". Its like a sales pitch, because it is

@kevintracey4644 2 часа назад

I don’t own a BSA. I do like the look of the modern retro styling and there are several out there. There is a lot of negativity about the Goldstar on this review, mostly people saying they are not very good but with no actual explanation why? The MCN review is quite positive about the Goldstar, but the review does highlight a few issues (is there such thing as a perfect bike?). In my (some might say naive) view the bike looks good. The engine is tried and tested over a long period of time? Can anyone tell me with certainty and evidence, what is wrong with the Goldstar?

@MotoTingle 2 часа назад

What's wrong is multifactorial. Most important is build quality, they have issues. Second is support, I received NONE, ZERO, NADDA. You would imagine having warranty would get any issues resolved but not with my experience. Bennetts did a review and BSA wanted nothing more to so with them, they mentioned picking paint off the fuel tank, which EVERY other reporter turned a blind-eye to. They are made in a Jawa factory that doesn't have any working quality control, so BSA can not trace bad batches back to the crew that made them. Influencers will tell you everything is great now (I am sure you've seen the videos). So, how did mine slip through the net? Went to a local dealer and two out of the four motorcycles for sale have the same loom issue my motorcycle has! I know exactly what to look for now and showed it to a huge BSA fan who I met up with, his bike luckily was not affected. Its like roulette. You gamble the bike you are buying is any good. Its 2024, we should just be able to buy working motorcycles.

@kevintracey4644 2 часа назад

@@MotoTingle thanks for your quick and thorough response. I’ve learned a lot from it.

@MotoTingle 2 часа назад

@@kevintracey4644 A pleasure. I do not hate BSA. I am just showing my experience of ownership.

@zedcharlie 5 часов назад

I paid 5500 new so not too bad but traded for 2900. I was having cutting out issues. Re mapped twice. Still the same . After 3rd trip into dealer I cut my losses and got a honda. I liked the bike a lot but the way it was going it was.nt ever going to get fixed and dealers selling cheap. Shame but the cut out was dangerous in certain situations. Final straw was chap in dealers saying if you are going to trade it Don.t bring it here. 😮

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

Yes! mine died at 45mph in a 60 limit. Everything went dead. Now it needs a loom or loom repair. Local dealer doesnt want in it PX either, I thought id offer it against a Yamaha MT09 and the dealer said NO.

@ChadWinters День назад

Most smaller CC bikes seem to resell low. Most riders are going up in cc when they buy their next bike

@MotoTingle День назад

That explains the £4,900 loss in 12 months. I’ve owned it 5 weeks and have had 2.5 days of use.

@borderlands6606 6 часов назад

If the bike was a Rotax powered, water-cooled single of utilitarian design, I'd be better disposed to it than having a BSA badge. Nothing against the BSA marque or retro classics (I own an RE and I like big singles), but the Gold Star is a Frankenstein mash up of two unreconcilable motorcycle forms. At best it's a work in progress for beta testers to feed back into a better designed Mk II version. Respect to those who lover theirs, for my money it's a missed opportunity.

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

I like the way you think

@henrysmith5604 День назад

I bought the legacy version last year for £7,300 I traded it in after 2 months for a new triumph I managed to get £6,000 for it Mine used too cut out on occasions that’s why I sold it

@MotoTingle День назад

You know how they fixed the cutting out? By increasing the tick over 😂 mine his 2,000rpm on occasion and I’m like “I’m not even touching the throttle”

@TheSupercollier 4 часа назад

there are too many reviewers on you tube who mindlessly praise brands are they subsided by the brand in some way. My guess would be YES

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

If they tell you the truth, they would never get a ride with any other brand. The make money from views and telling a story about "watchmaker quality" I note two big RU-vidrs recently let go of their BSA's and only after a few months of ownership. Their reviews are all praise too. Smelles funny to me

@specialse День назад

Only thing BSA about them is the badge , you know where they are built , you know you are going to get trouble . Almost no R&D done on the bikes before world market sales , traded as if they were an established company , they arnt . our local dealer sold 10 , got ten back , they were sent a new bike to use for spares to get them going again...... spares wernt or arnt available , and still arnt . the spares bike or whats left of it is on an auction site ( TSW) for £280 .Sad , could have been so good . the bikes themselves look amazing !!!

@MotoTingle День назад

Link me! I need parts for my bike! - Yeah, a dealer I’m friends with has 80% warranty on BSA’s and the margin on sale so 10% but they are a few months away from letting BSA go as they’ve sold them to very old boy in town.

@alanwareham7391 19 часов назад

When they announced production of the new Goldstar they promised that it would be built near its ancestral home of Birmingham with a modern Goldie engine ??? But due to covid they would be for a very short time made in India but only until there factory in the UK was finished So would BSA like to tell us where exactly the new factory is being built as I can’t find any info on it and when are they going to start putting the promised engines in them. I had a Kawasaki Vulcan Vn 900 for 15 years and have only just let her go because she was too getting too heavy to maul about . I was honestly thinking of getting one of these but I don’t think I’ll bother and go after a low mileage Japanese or Triumph instead so ok they may not be new but a least I’ll be getting an honest well maintained bike instead , I feel so very sorry for you mate as it’s a position that you should not have been put in and I hope that everything works out for you inthe future

@MotoTingle 18 часов назад

Agreed, they had a factory and R&D in Coventry then gave it up as Mahindra took over control. All the tooling sent to a Jawa factory and assembled by bumbling idiots, not management nor the ownership could keep quality control to any kind of acceptable standard.

@alanward2331 4 часа назад

Yup, my Benelli Imperiale, two years old 3k miles, dealer wouldn't even px it. At least it was cheap and is reliable so far. Won't be buying from them again tho'

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

Thats a good looking bike too

@andrewwhitehead2353 2 часа назад

Jawa 450 rushed to market.Real sad I guess it doesn't leak oil though

@MotoTingle 2 часа назад

If it had a Jawa badge on it, Id have never been worried. Id accept it for what it was. But this bike is "The Gold Standard"

@bigred8438 9 часов назад

It is fair to say you lose a ton of money on any vehicle bought brand new. So l never have. The newish bike l bought, had done 43km. It was a demo bike. When l bought it l saved Aus $2500 on the price of a brand new one. It was the previous year's model, but was brand new essentially. It came with all the extras, hard luggage ABS, cruise control etc. Why buy brand new? As soon as you drive it off the lot/shop you have lost thousands. Besides losing thousands immediately, you have to run the bloody thing in. Who wants to do that? It's not enjoyable. If you pick up a bike that has done 1500 to 2000 miles it is run in, had its first service and is still under warranty.

@MotoTingle 5 часов назад

I always used to buy second user because of this very thing

@jonathandeeley6276 День назад

Two problems here, one is the bike and the manufactures complacency in rectifying the issues that the bike has and also the UK importer, whose attitude and support towards their dealer network has been awful, making unreasonable demands to sales quotas, lack of support and technical back up to their dealers and the growing reputation about the bikes. I know also that a number of dealers have thrown in the towel with this brand as it is affecting their own business reputation.🤔☹️

@MotoTingle День назад

Yes! Yes! And Yes!

@HaydnBrown-h3t 5 часов назад

BSA Gold Star. Which part?

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

The fuel tank badge is the best one on the whole bike. Everywhere else its stickers

@6914x 24 минуты назад

As soon as those influencer channels recently 'bought' Goldstars and started making glowing videos I knew they hadn't paid for them. These things probably only cost the importer a couple of grand each and I can absolutely see them handing them out as a last ditch attempt to try and rescue their appalling reputation. If you watch the Indian channels, where they've only just got the bike, they regard it as a quality premium bike so far......

@MotoTingle 19 минут назад

@@6914x Innit, “export quality” is the sales pitch in India, like it’s a higher quality product because of being an export. Yeah, you gotta be fully committed to BSA to obtain “incentives”. The 350cc will be announced shortly and watch the “influencers” all fight each other over it. Everyone loves a freebie 🎁

@IndigoJo День назад

Isn't it weird how someone saw fit to re-launch a bike whose manufacturer went under in 1973, 50 years later? Nobody under the age of 68 - nobody who is not old - will have ridden one when it was new. At no time when the old BSA motorcycles were fresh in people's memory did anyone think it worth re-launching that brand. Why are people surprised that a bike modelled on one that nobody wanted as soon as there was any competition, made by a company that has never previously attempted to sell bikes in this country, is bad?

@pujapete3665 День назад

the people who would want this motorcycle are dieing off.what youngster would want this bike,its a grandad bike and there aint many left from that era

@EbenBransome 22 часа назад

BSA also took down Triumph, Ariel and a few others with it. Their biggest problem was that they never got off their backsides, kicked Umberslade Hall in the goolies till it got the message, and produced a single range based around, say, a 250 single, 500 twin and 750 triple using common parts for the pistons, rods, valves etc. Wasting money on oil in frame when Vincent could have told them why it didn't work back in the 1950s. Excessive seat height. Crap brakes. No, let's waste money on having BSA and Triumph versions of the same thing. (OK sorry rant over).

@EbenBransome 22 часа назад

@@pujapete3665 I am a graddad and I sneer at anything badge engineered, which means even Ducatis these days (VW bike arm)

@Trev350 6 часов назад

I'm the wrong side of 60 And yet I'm too young for the original BSAs to mean anything to me. But yes, my Dad also used to own one back in the day.... And he said it was a load of rubbish.😢

@janewiggs3418 День назад

If you want a BSA why don't you by a B40 or C15 or even a nice M20 istead of buying a modern cheap item with a BSA badge stuck on it?

@MotoTingle День назад

I like this comment. I met the director of BSA who told me stories of R&D and what a quality product this would be. Owners and influencers will talk of “watchmaker quality”. That’s why

@davegreenslade4539 13 дней назад

Wow, unfortunately mate it would seem you’re the only owner that is prepared to say you’ve bought a pup, maybe the owners that are saying they have no issues are afraid of the fact the bikes aren’t what they paid for and it’s an ego thing 🤷🏼‍♂️

@MotoTingle 13 дней назад

Yeah, this ones a dog. I am now in week 5 and it gave me 2.5 days of use before shutting down at 45 mph. Perfectly normal for a year old motorcycle.

@davegreenslade4539 13 дней назад

@@MotoTingle shocking mate.

@cedhome7945 День назад

Never be the first into a new bike car etc ... allways wait a year and see what people say....

@MotoTingle День назад

I totally did. I waited two years. All the influencers are saying “all the problems are solved”. Turns out the 2024 Gold Stars have a cylinder head issue, bad machining I’m told. Top end rebuild for many. It’s the “Gold Standard” of motorcycles remember

@robedmunds7163 День назад

Same as RE really, they have low milage issues, you get what you pay for. RE have better dealers and it would not put me off buying one, just know what to expect.

@MotoTingle День назад

Yeah I’ve had friends with RE issues where the faults have been rectified quickly. In my case Lukas Distrubution who handle BSA in the UK offered to “update the owners info”. They have seen my original review and are happy to watch me suffer. Which is crazy. What’s warranty worth if you can’t access it?

@buddhastaxi666 День назад

In my opinion the safest British theme Retro , must surely be the upscale Triumph Bonnevilles. Though they stopped making the Thruxton 1200, a future icon in my estimation. Second are the Royal Enfields.

@MotoTingle День назад

They are cool

@Catrinus1 День назад

Kawasaki W800 is a better Bonneville than the new Bonneville is.

@johnludmon510 17 часов назад

Good grief you’ve been shafted, the importer has discounted the bikes to shift them ,dealerships don’t want to touch them and yours has a fault that makes it un rideable and virtually worthless if you tried to sell it. Sadly this is risk you take with a none mainstream left field motorcycle but this is very poor. I own a meteor 350 which is now worth less than half what I paid for it as a trade in as the previous importer is selling off stock at rock bottom prices but my bike works and I have no need to sell and the dealerships give good backup and I like the bike. If I had paid the £7k for one I would be sick to my stomach you can take the depreciation if you don’t intend to sell the bike and you can ride it but not in this case.

@Mrmaddog 6 часов назад

These bikes are built very cheaply using cheap parts and put together in India so what do you expect. They use the name BSA and Goldstar to try and get people to buy one for nostalgia reasons but they have absolutely nothing in common with the original, of course they are going to lose money.

@MotoTingle 4 часа назад

its a lot of money to loose in 12 months.

@pujapete3665 День назад

£5000 new on ebay at the moment

@MotoTingle День назад

Yep, prices will never exceed £4,995 as thats the RRP now. Much heaper ones do pop up frequently.

@DexterDexter123 8 часов назад

gutted

@MotoTingle 5 часов назад

Me too. My bikes worth less than I paid for it right now. I’ve never bought such a rubbish machine, I’ve run around on £750 bikes that have seen me through years of use

@adrianwalker7189 День назад

Only paying £2200 just fix it yourself to hell with the warranty 😊

@kevindarkstar День назад

Not a bad idea tbh

@MotoTingle День назад

Guess what! I think you’re on my wave length 😂

@MotoTingle День назад

@@kevindarkstarYeah, I just thought as I have warranty they should fix it. But BSA distributor wanted nothing to do with me. Their offer was: to update the owners information. What a joke of a company

@kevindarkstar День назад

@@MotoTingle oh dear lord, there again a warranty is only as good as the company which is upholding it 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Trev350 7 часов назад

A two grand bike with a fault like that isn't even worth two grand. As you've got the ability to fix it, just go ahead and do it. You will probably make a better job of it. Then you can go ahead and use the flipping thing. If it said Jawa on the tank, who would have bought one of these in the UK... Probably nobody I reckon. So, what's it all about?

@BillF-w4e 13 дней назад

If you only paid £2200, why so cheap? If you have so many issues, break it and sell the parts. Including tracker and private plate? You could easily get your money back. I love my Gold Star and do not plan to sell it, ever. So I might be interested in parts.😂 As to the depreciation, I accept it is bad, not helped by the price reductions (to compete with the floor of RE Interceptors by Moto GB.) But only matters if selling. Do you see many for sale? Er, no. Why? Are they all broken down like yours, or are the owners out riding theirs? I am 6k miles up, new tyres ordered, ride all year round. If mum ne ever has a major fault, I will let you know. But as I have a local dealer and almost three years warranty left, I feel things are good.

@MotoTingle 13 дней назад

Im five weeks into waiting to get into a local workshop. I reckon the old boy wanted rid of it, and I can see why !

@andrewdavies3438 4 дня назад

I have no sympathy. You did go out on it in the rain. 😉 I love the look but the quality being soooo bad will take a ton of work by them to get the reputation back. If they at least fixed in a timely manner people wouldn’t be so upset. Poor quality poor service = terrible reputation

@neilgill2269 8 дней назад

Looks like this will kill the bike,,I remember,many moons back,Ducati released a 250cc single,called, the 24 hours,.it was soon called the 24 horrors!..It was said,"you were lucky if you got home from the show room,!. The oil use to seep through the crank case alloy!..they were made in Spain..very badly!..lots of folks lost money..these types of motorcycle get forgotten,then pop up, and catch some poor sod out...buyer bewar,..most mechanical problems can be sorted,.but this goldie,could get a bad rep.which is a shame,.I hope there's enough enthusiasts out there who can solve the problems..I have ridden a good one,. It deserves better...let's face all bikes are a pain at times,But people don't expect so much hassle,on a new bike,..

@MotoTingle 8 дней назад

@@neilgill2269 I am with you 100%. BSA’s should never be this bad. It’s clearly an issue at the factory and given that they are not able to trace anything as they don’t work to ISO standards they can not trace bad batches, it’s clear to me management know there are issues but are unwilling to assist owners, likely in the hope the problem just goes away. I really wanted a BSA too. A friend said to me today that I’m likely to pull it apart to fix it myself… might just have to, it’s clear there’s a loom issue

@jfro5867 День назад

How did you buy it at such a low price? That seems really cheap. Everyone knows you lose a ton of money on new bikes if you sell them quickly and pretty much every brand suffers the same. While it’s annoying you have unresolved faults you didnt pay full price or anything like it so I don’t get your point. The original owner is the one who took the hit.

@MotoTingle День назад

I saw it advertised and phoned the owner, paid the asking price. My point is, people are buying at £7,100 and are finding huge depreciation after a years ownership. If it happened or you, you’d be happy? The community of owners all say “I’ll keep my BSA forever” that’s cause they got no choice I guess.

@jfro5867 День назад

@@MotoTingle Ok, I see that but let’s be honest, I can’t imagine you didn’t think something was wrong with this particular bike, for £2100. That’s ridiculously cheap. A ‘want rid’ price. A ‘too good to be true’ price. You’ve gambled and it’s not gone in your favour. Get it booked in at the dealers, have the loom sorted, bide your time. Making such a negative video does not help resale values either, does it? You are feeding the monster.

@nosek1d 4 часа назад

@@jfro5867The animal Alex is feeding is called...honesty.

@prophetsnake День назад

One "o" in lose.

@MotoTingle День назад

Thank you! Your correction actioned immediately 🏆

@lonnieanderson9501 День назад

You don't know the difference between lose...and loose???

@MotoTingle День назад

Are you okay Lonnie? You'll be fine. Just breathe, Its only RU-vid

@paulprosser4108 День назад

What are you complaining about? They have managed to replicate a B.S.A from the 50s/60/70,s Unreliable. Oil leaking. Nearly everyone had faults when they left the Smallheath factory. No sir you have the complete B.S.A experience. ENJOY. There again I have had some pretty bloody awful Japanese bikes particularly in the 70s/80s they really weren't that great. I could go on with other so called premium brands and the issues I have had with those machines.

@MotoTingle День назад

Haha! Love it!

@EbenBransome 22 часа назад

Complete BSA experience? Does it throw you over the handlebars if you mistime the kick start? Do the brakes fail just as you need them? Is it as temperamental as hell and the carb needs adjusting every trip? If not it's a pale imitation of the real thing.

@MotoTingle 22 часа назад

@@EbenBransome haha!

@77archibald 7 часов назад

Has it not occured to you that the reason your BSA was so cheap is because your particular bike is a dog.

@MotoTingle 5 часов назад

The bike was loved by its previous owner, we’re still in touch. He rarely took it out. I put a few hundred miles on it and by day 2.5 its loom gave up, it was happening on countersteer off of roundabouts, it felt like the fuel injection, turns out was loom stretch. And I’m not alone, two of the bikes at my local dealer have the same fault ready for their new owners and two others don’t. It’s an issue at production. It’s like Russian roulette buying a BSA

@albion1949 День назад

Garbage with a fancy badge.

@MotoTingle День назад

It should never have been this way. Theres some serious sales pitch behind a lot of these bikes, the frame consulted upon with a UK compamy, sounds good. Ricaro also helped a Council meet its net zero fleet strategy, yeah sounds like a frame builder to me, lol - Its just marketing. The frames are made in a Jawa factory in India. Thry had Ricardo consult on the frame then BSA did whatever they wanted afrer, which explains the awkward rear fot peg hanger welding, and owmers cry out to me 'Its a Brisish frame Alex'. Yeah...

@AHoundOnAHonda День назад

Lose*

@MotoTingle День назад

Thank you! 🙏 I’ll edit it now.

@AHoundOnAHonda День назад

@@MotoTingle 👍😊

@neillambton4065 День назад

If you want to buy a 3rd world built bike, expect 3rd world poor quality problems. You should have bought a Triumph if you want a classic style bike, as Royal Enfield`s are noted for being problematic through poor quality build?. When i first saw one of these, i could see how badly made they were.

@MotoTingle День назад

It’s got a “Union Jack” on the seat. It really does. I am confused as to why it’s not an Indian flag. I mean, why hide its heritage ? It’s made in India, they should be proud of this

@mikehurley5052 День назад

Things are cheap for a reason.

@MotoTingle День назад

Like milk, nourishing and good for you 😂

@williammuir638 3 часа назад

OUCH! FIRST OWNER MUST HAVE HAD MORE MONEY THAN SENSE! You were sll warned to stay away from them them ss they are just bad parts bin specials by Mahindra.

@MotoTingle 3 часа назад

BSA dropped the price from £7,100 to £4,995 in 12 months. The knock on effect for residuals is painful