Friendly neighbourhood Judo black belt here. Well, there is a lot to be said in this match. 0:30 First of all, we judokas (both new school and traditional) don't learn any locks that involve the legs, besides one kata that is for black belt fifth dan (quit a bit further away from my scope lol). He didn't secure the lock on the ankle ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tlhMv5tgHgQ.html&ab_channel=Chadi ru-vid.comDDhGmI7CI0A 2:11 And now the awaited moment. It could be a ouchi maki komi (o uchi gari falling to the ground with him) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sSEaC2Y1-e0.html&ab_channel=EfficientJudo , but the leg is behind him, not between his legs. Therefore it's a tani otoshi ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FIm6V2sAgb8.html&ab_channel=Ochiru. The issue was that he didn't turn properly when executing the throw, usually you want your hand to be on their lower back and turn lighthly when falling so when they fall they don't fall on your shoulder. That's what happened, he might've dislocated his shoulder when falling as he turned a lot with his shoulder in a bad position due to his hand placement and throw direction. It's nice that you want to learn about throws, that ko uchi maki komi analysis was quite decent for someone that doesn't practice Judo! By the way, the double leg takedown in Judo is called Morote Gari, so you were 50% right on that one! To end the analysis, I'm sure that this Judo guy did some Jiu Jitsu, as we don't do the imanari roll, but I'm a bit shocked here that if he did do Jiu Jitsu didn't go for a choke or armbar when he got that tani otoshi. I need the opinion of my BJJ brothers here. This guy is too skilled with an imanari roll, but then he can't secure it. Thougths?.
"I'm a bit shocked here that if he did do Jiu Jitsu didn't go for a choke or armbar when he got that tani otoshi." Well if he indeed dislocate his own shoulder dropping like that into tani otoshi, he can't go for those. If that's not the case.. the guy has his head locked anyway. There might be a ton of stuff missing from his regular game, as the opponent isn't wearing a gi.
Tough old school judokas did learn leg grab techniques maybe when he trained they indeed learned that stuff. Tough i remember learning to do transitions into leg grabs couchi gari-into leg grab and other stuff, i still never learnt the imanari roll, but we did learnt flying juji gatame (i dont recall the actual name)
The imanari isn't that hard to do, certainly going by the number of blue and white belts I've seen use it. Plus he's doing it against a non-grappler. But his actual leglock game was poor. Little control meant no finish. It was a kind of weird body lock\tani otoshi hybrid throw. Maybe the tight body lock with his arms contributed to the dislocation?
This a prime example of when people say "Judo does not work without a gi" when in fact it does. Also a prime example of why you should know grappling and striking
Judo has almost every Takedown that has ever existed, the fact that they practice *most* of them with a gi does not mean that it will onlu work with one. For example, the throw "O Goshi" is done in Judo by grabbing the Gi or Obi (belt) but you can do it with just a deep underhook, which is how i do it in No Gi. Almost every Judo throw has a no gi version, unless we are talking about throws that 100% have to use the gi like Korean Seoi Nage and Sode Tsurikomi Goshi, but those have versions that do not use the gi anyways
yeah.... actually..... most people walk on street with cloths on..... even the attackers. so a gi actually mimics real cloths. like you said....judo has like over 100 takedowns that doesn't involve grabbing the gi.
@@FightCommentary a health condition caused by a series of dislocations of a joint that leaves it weakened and prone to dislovate or have other injuries. Common in martial arts with lots or rolling and falling.
2:20 This wasn't a dislocation nor a submission via lock. See, Judo guy was still able to throw several left hand punches after they went down. Judo guy probably tore something (likely rotator cuff injury). When you tear a tendon or joint, the pain is usually quite delayed, he probably didn't even realize it until he started throwing punches. Then the pain just kept steadily escalating.
The Judoka was a Very bad newaza good Throws but in a real Match you have to be a Good Newaza to finish the fight, The Video bring me a nostalgia Judo are the first martial arts I treined.
The double leg is called "Morote Gari" and it is done differently in Judo as you are not supposed to lift your opponent, you just pull their legs into your while driving them forward, which is also done in Wrestling sometimes, but people in there usually lift their opponent as well
I'm looking at the mechanism of the Kosoto Gake, looks different: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HfU9mAYpZ5k.html I pinned a judo black belt's comments on it. Check out our viewer Dario's analysis.
We call the double leg takedown morote gari or ryo ashi dori. The "sweep" looked more like a ko soto gake to me. (Uchi means inside, soto means outside).
WTF! Judo black belt took down a Muay Thai guy and got his own shoulder dislocated by a.Muay Thai fighter with zero ground fighting skills. What a shame!
It comes from 150 years ago in Japan like the other 95% of submissions we see today. Kamura came later he also happened to be a Judoka. We've had a couple new ones over the years tks to BJJ experimentation but nothing ground breaking. You can only manipulate the body in so many new ways.
@@zartic4life have you read any historic document, about European wrestling? Some are over six hundred years old. To state every submission comes from Japan and it is 150 years old top is a tad bold. Besides European wrestling and ancient greek or indian wrestling you also have Japanese Ryu and Koryu that are older than 150 years.
I feel bad for Jerry, there's so many bots in the comment section 😔 Anyways, that roll was awesome, kinda disappointed his arm just said "no" glad you're back is feeling better
Kosoto Gari is performed from the outside, and the side, so difficult to get the chest/belly facing position if you go to the mat, so you have to scramble into position, and if you go to the mat, it's common to have your opponent landing on your left arm, as that's the down side. The guest Judoka demonstrated Kouchi Gari, performed facing on the inside - a better throw to enter guard from.
In the before times, in Sambo I realized the Imanari roll is not for me...like I knew it was dope but I knew I would never commit to when it counted haha
I think the judoka was asking to get hit shoulder fixed to continue the match. Wouldn't be the first time. Old school Judo is a different beast. Not healthy but savage nonetheless.
The final takedown was kosoto gari. The shoulder dislocation is not obvious, given that is was the left, the side away form the camera, but that stuff absolutely happens.
i did quit judo age 16 green belt and no gi judo is fine too. just use the t shirt / jacket of the aggressor for chokes ( but keep it blood chokes not air chokes) overall standup fighters have a light front leg. its a highly recommended target.
Jerry, are you sure the guy is an actual Muai Thai fighter? I mean, if you take a look at 1:40 mark in the video, he seems to be moving his hands more like a Wing Chun practitioner.
He is a practitioner of Muay Chaiya, one of ancient form of Muay Thai (aka muay boran) from Southern Thailand. This form contains grappling, takedown, and ground games. Yeah it is different from modern Muay Thai.
I agree, the judoka learned some jiujitsu but looks like not enough to secure great submissions to end the fight. He struggled to get an ankle lock where an experienced jujitsu man would have transitioned into a different submission if required.
His Muay Thai form is called: Muay Chaiya. It is one of ancient form of Muay Thai (aka muay boran) from Southern Thailand. This form contains grappling, takedown, and ground games. Yeah it is different from modern Muay Thai.
Not sure the Judo guy did anything wrong, seemed like a pre-existing condition (as mentioned here by others). A dislocated shoulder at some point that becomes more and more prone to dislocation each time it happens.
Judo not only had all those techniques... That's where BJJ got them. Modern Judo, due the Olympic committee influence, rarely teaches them, but they are still part of the curriculum. They were in the manual I got when I did Judo as a kid.
Probably judokan also practice other disciplines such as Kyokushin, boxing or maybe Kudo, , tell you what,, judo is tough and to those never practice it. .
Bro, in no way is that anything related to ouchi gari. It is also not tani otoshi, in which tori takes BOTH of uke’s legs from behind. The mechanism of the throw is similar to tani otoshi though.
That was no double-leg, he didn't even grab the legs. It looked a lot like the body fold takedown from gracie combatives, don't know what it's called in judo.
I guess he tried to adapt to a lower stand to try defend take down. Which interesting since Muay Boran has a very low stand, unlike modern Muay Thai. This raised a question, does Muay Boran also have wrestling technique then?
yeah im beginning to seriously consider training judo this year guys,,notmjust bcuz ofmthis vid tho, lol😅, judo is underated, but i believe u need all three to be an efficient fighter like either, boxing+judo or muay thai +bjj u NEED to know at least BASIC striking AND BASIC ground fighting knowledge to have an effective self defence toolkit, and mine is sadly only good for strikimg so far...😓😓
Imanari was good but doesnt seem like he knew much of how to finish the technique lol. Bro just learnt the sweep but not the inside or outside heelhooks he could've went for. Leg lock game wasnt great tbh. Any whitebelt 10p could do better or nogi guys who likes leglocks. So many options. The kneebaah attempt was 😂😂😂😂😂 . Bro to be honest my 9 years son i taught him the imanari roll and he could do it same just as impressive but its the submission that counts not the style. Great fight though.
I havent been able to judo for months cuz i injured my elbow in a judo compeititon and this is making me so sad rn reminding me of that 😭 but at the samw time happy seeing how cool old school judo was
You keep calling the striker Muay Thai guy. He doesn’t carry himself like a Muay Thai fighter. His stance, footwork, punches….and when he clinched behind the neck it’s not like a pure MT guy especially in Thailand. He is doing some weird Tony Jag Muay Boran thing with his hands early on but not very fluidly. I’d just call him MMA guy.
When the muy thai guy started to heel kick the back of the judo guys brain stem and the ref had to stop it, it showed you Judo has a lot of flaws out of sports.
If that was me being the Muay Thai guy, I would absolutely hate to take that win. He was losing the fight. If not for the dislocation, he would have (obviously) won.
@@metalzonemt-2 He ‘won’ it. If I’m running a race, way ahead of everyone….pretty much guaranteed a win….and suddenly I get a muscle spasm and fall. It’s kinda not a real win. You know? Especially when it comes to fighting. A real win is man vs man. One defeats the other. That’s just according to my judgement 😀
@@Domzdream The one who crosses the finnish line first, wins. Those are the rules of the game. In this fight one did defeat the other, because he was unable to continue. There's a reason there are rules in sports.
Judo is just so cool looking. I like how the Judo guy would let the Muay Thai guy rebuild his confidence to engage rather than waste his energy attempting to close the distance.
The iminari roll wasnt invented by 10th planet but let's not get too excited 😅, it's still a bjj technique lmfao. Invented by Iminari (bjj fighter). The match was pure Jiu-Jitsu apart from the double leg trip at the end
