Maybe, but it is a "childsh" way of trying to achiving so. There is no way that Nietzsche meant that you cannot say no. In fact, you actually HAVE to say no to institutions to be able to become a child (and continue to say no to them afterwards). For example: in the movie, if anyone invited Jim Carrey to iniciate himself in a cult, he would have had to say YES.
@@rodrigodiazcasas384 well that was the point of the movie. He thought he had to say yes to everything, but, in the end, he realized he didn't but because he did, he was much more open to experiencing many different things he was not open to before. He was learning to say Yes to life, and after taking it to the extreme, became more moderate at the end.
A couple of things, 1) Solomon addressed the camel, lion and child in Ecclesiastes mol, and concluded the camel was as good as it gets; work really hard, food tastes better and sleep comes quickly. 2) Essentially Nietzsche is a nihilist, accepting there is no real meaning, adopting subjective or pretended meaning as a means of NOT putting the gun in your mouth which is 3) Occupation, something to do to while away the time till something comes along that does not make you stronger, and kills you. This is 4) the ultimate leveling of all “true world theories”; the void, and it doesn’t matter which one you chose; aka Nihilism
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what ? is he an idea we need to overcome as well ? if so what kind of idea is he ? does he represents the face of nihilism / the slayer of the gods or is he something else ? i am curious
@@vladkapustiin1390 I'm not familiar with this dragon quote, but I do know two things, both of which can serve as a possible explaination. First one is obvious: he uses the metaphor of a dragon for himself in a completely different context and has nothing to do with the notion of dragon in Zarathustra. For example he also called himself a dynamite, so maybe it meant something in this direction, as if he spits fire on metaphsyics or whatever. Second explaination is a quote of his that a student does a lame service to his teacher if he remains only a student. Meaning we should outgrow our idols, whoever they may be, and become our own leaders, the overmen. But again, I don't know if that's what he was refering to.
Betryal is always bad, theft is always bad,.....listen to your concoller. He or she has more experiance and knowledge and they trained to help you....by the way nietzsche is not more than concoller too..then don't listen to him😂....2 world war came out from this evil man...this was not his sister this was his philosophy😢
A macro lens on a micro tome, still it has some entertainment value. I am mindful of some other philosophical wisdom I read one time which went something like this; "Master, the evil one is devious and false, how therefore is it possible to discern good from evil?" The master replied, "Words are like seeds, they can seem full of potential, but not all seeds grow into good things. You can know evil by it's fruits". The analogy is meant to redirect awareness from the causal to the intentional but I sense that this thread is way too intellectual for that. Thanks for posting. My only hope is that someday when all this information is amalgamated into the MCP that the word "nietzsche" will become synonymous with the universal concept of mental masturbation.
From my understanding of the Superman, people do not start out as Camels by default, they must choose this. Some people don't carry much, and badly. Just my view. It is generous to say everyone starts as a camel.
Great! Love the podcast topic. But I would love to know why you think the “Superman” ideal-man/person needs to be Gender-Fluid? In comparison to having Supermen- primarily masculine with a health balance of femininity, and Superwoman majority feminine with a balance of masculinity. The union of the two creates the “Ideal Superman” .
Gender as understood through philosophy is prescribed and mindlessly accepting the restrictions of ones self performance is a quality of the Camel. The Lion has the idea of being his own man not the "man" prescribed by your given culture.
To paraphrase, "had we but world enough and time, this exploration, Nietzsche, would be sublime." But ... the majority are working class people who must survive in exceedingly oppressive economic times. Trust fund babies can live their lives by trial and error because there is a lovely safety net to catch them if they fail. Mama and sister (then the sanatorium) were Nietzsche's. These utopian ideas sound great on paper.
A child is metaphorically meant living,growing and exploring what life offers taking risks and not sitting around every day on your couch and convincing yourself you're happy. Only happiness can happen if you are climbing the mountain (exploring) and reaching the end of the moment (view) = happiness. Overmen is hypothetically meant with people that will after 500-1000 years later look like. At the present moment we see chimpanzee monkeys as not intelligent enough (still our ancestors so to say) but later after 1000 years we will be chimpanzee/monkeys to the new generation of "humans" that will perceive us that way too. I hope you understand.
If this is truly what Nietzsche is saying, how does he expect to promote a viable society? society needs camels ... and plenty of them! Is this what Zarathustra is arguing against .. don't get me wrong .. I'm all for self-determination/ "don't be a sheep" etc. ... but "no camels"? .. how does that work in real life?
Nietzsche didn't say that they shouldn't be camels or something like that, you should just read the book, in that manner you avoid the biases of other people and only have to work through your own there
@Ray Sedgwick from my interpretation it was TOO MUCH HONEY; He is ripening, and there is HONEY in his veins that thickens his blood and quiets his soul. Thus Spoke Zarathustra: The Honey Offering Distrust all those who talk much of their justice! Verily, in their souls not only HONEY is lacking. And when they call themselves " Behold! I am weary of my wisdom, like a bee that has gathered too much HONEY; I need hands outstretched to take it. He who hath always much-indulged himself, sickeneth at last by his much-indulgence. Praises on what maketh hardy! I do not praise the land where butter and HONEY-flow! Psalm 119:103 How sweet are your words to my taste, sweeter than honey to my mouth The reason Nietzsche used too
Is it weird that a lot of my everyday thoughts were this but I couldn't relate much to literally any other philosophy so found them interesting but this is boring cause I think like this everyday lol
4:10 No existe el bien o el mal 8:20 Ideas adelantadas a su tiempo. 14:00 Hacer lo que los demás esperan de nosotros en lugar de hacer lo que deseamos.
I'd call it nice adaptation of Nitzshe to something useful and reasonable. Real Nitzshe was somekind irrational, non-logical. And his ideal of overman was too much egocentric, eager to dominate, and also irrational. And real Nitzshe's ideal is someone who rules over milions of last men. It's cool for many to imagine self in such a role, that's why he was very popular. But philosophically speaking he's rather psychofiction wrtier than philosopher.
Well, I mean Nietzsche actually said he considered Goethe an overman. So, it's not like that. Look at the things Goethe did, and you'll have a good idea.
@@platoniczombie And also Christ (as a person, not religion) was accepted as overman sometimes. Nitzshe was nor cosequentional enough here. But he claimed that overmen like Christ, Goethe, they had ambitions and egocentric motives. It was theirs way of domination and self-ascention above others.
That's an original point of view with loads of hard unbiased criticism with solid references, Took me some time but now i see the light, I'm persuaded and will be fitting my opinion based on what you think starting from today. Long live Laura
Is this the one where West presents the higher man and overman as interchangeable terms? Is. . . Is that right? I thought the idea was that the higher man sort of paves the way. He apparently doesn't reply and you seem spry and aware .
