I also wanna add another comment about the Korean thing: I am a Dominican-American female, and I did my undergrad in East Asian Studies specializing in Korean studies particularly. I'm also pretty fluent in Korean as well because of this, but more then that I've written extensive academic papers on various social issues concerning the Korean peninsula. So I'd like to explain: Korea is a country that for many years had its culture and language stripped from the people, and this is a sense of generational trauma that is actively taught and passed down via the school system. Whatsmore, if we only consider Korean as it is linguistically, unlike English, Korean is a phonetic language with a block writing system whose "letters" were made to reflect the positioning of the tongue and throat based on the sound that is made. The idea behind hangul is that if you can speak it, you can read it (vice-versa). A scholar at the time of its creation said "A fool takes a week to learn, and a master could take a fort-night," when asked about the difficulty of the hangul alphabet. In conclusion, both because of how precious Korean is to Korean people, and also because it is liguistically easier to learn compared to other languages which are not phonetic and have many changes/exceptions to their rules (take something like Spanish for example, which I can say, I'm Dominican), it is fairly obvious to me why so many of the masters are particular about pronunciation and why that makes or breaks someone's ability to debut. It's very different from English which is a combination of many foreign words, and is absolutely not phonetic in nature, with various rules that contradict itself due to its latin origins and frequest changes from 1300s onwards. Korean people themselves will flame you hard if you misspell Korean words (I've gotten flamed myself for this), and are very particular about how someone sounds when they sing, and whether they can clearly make your words out. The trainers are honestly just reflecting the words of the public. Pronunciation is something you can work on, and if they had more training period I would agree, but considering that this boy group is being formed to debut is around 3 or 4 months time, I understand their harsh criticisms and concerns around the lack of Korean skills from the foreign trainees. I understand from an American perspective this can come off as xenophobic, but if you consider the different historical-socio contexts of America vs. Korea, it makes a lot more sense, and you realize its not coming from a place of xenophobia, but shared trauma.
i genuinely wanted this to be book length and i would buy and read. this is so well said and i hasn’t thought of many pieces of this! maybe my frustration then simply lies with the producers for casting them to begin with haha
@@TheAmpliverse oh gosh i never thought I'd get a like from you guys thank u I'm sobbing in a ditch 😭 I could write a book on this fr, and if you're interested in reading any academic papers on the subject i would be more then happy to rec. some (idk where to dm them to u tho). I agree, I am actually shocked at the producers choosing to cast so many people with so little Korean experience, and if some of them had companies who "paid" for screentime, I could understand, but many of them seem to be individual trainees so idk it's also confusing to me. I do feel compared to BP many foreign contestants seem strangely unprepared for this whole process, it makes me think there is something up on the production side of things (which considering MBC's history in abusing its own teams and various writers strikes I wouldn't put it past them.)
@@ambiguousnesslearning languages is hard in general. I’m on my 5th year of learning Japanese and I’m still shit at it, can barely remember kanji, sometimes forgets the phonetics in some katakana, hopeless at conversation and can only concoct basic sentences-plus, I’m pretty middle when it comes to Japanese too, like I could be worse.
@@ambiguousness hello! I'm not saying Korean is objectively easy to learn for every person. I mean unlike other languages, Korean has a phonetic alphabet whose rules and pronunciations are consistent no matter what their combination is. The alphabet is phonetically one of the easier alphabets to learn to read out because of it's simplicity, set rules, and basis on letters reflecting real life mouth positions. I'm just saying generally the rules are consistent, and the language is phonetic, so this makes it comparatively easier to pick up vs languages not phonetic in nature with constantly changing rules (English or Cantonese as examples).
Santa has always wanted to become an idol for the longest time. I remember him mentioning it a while ago. He’s always posting at the dance studio, dancing, and song covers. So I know for him this is a dream he’s been trying to achieve. As for Yaya, I’m not sure. I read that they sent him to keep Santa company😭
The budget of this production impressed me, although their sleeping situation gives me Squid Games vibes 😂 We’re emotionally attached to the Boys Planet boys rn but these boys will end up being a group for 7 years?! Mnet take note pls…
I want to give a warning/context about Yaya, in advance of next episode, because it makes me irritated 😭 they literally sent him there to keep Santa company. (he has ZERO dance training and barely any rhythm) He is an actor (that's his talent) and God knows why they thought it was a good idea to send him of all people 💀
Yaya (who previously went by Yatch) was first featured as a side character in Love By Chance (known as one of the pioneer BL dramas in 2018) in which he was a "straight best friend" essentially. However, just this year in Between Us he got his own BL pairing and despite it being a side pairing, he did receive substantial screentime in the storyline. In case anyone is curious, Yaya plays Tul and is paired with Oreo as Wan. Tul and Wan get to know each other through a game in which they are initially anonymous to one another. They get closer through talking about some issues they face, including Wan confiding in Tul about the problems with his father. One day, Tul comes to know of Wan's real identity (because Wan is the brother of his close friend) and Tul determines that he wants to get closer to Wan but is afraid of sharing his real identity. Edit: lowkey spoiler but Yaya has indeed also kissed a man! In fact, they get their own BL-level intimate scene - shirtless and everything.
Actually his first bl pairing was in "The Effect the series", but the serie was canceled because it have sensitive topics and only have like 3 episodes... I'm sorry if I have some trouble with the grammar, English isn't my first language
@@ichibanohimesama i also prefer boys planet sets/ practice room/ dorms tbh it just looks normal and not confined to a certain age. And they are spending their money on props for the actual performances etc. ofc we gotta see for fantasy boys still but so far i prefer the way boys planet went about it!
My fiancée and I said we would only watch Fantasy Boys if y’all did recaps on it. We watched the premiere today after I saw the thumbnail for this video.
If i continue watching the show, it'll literally be because of you guys. 😂I don't know if it was the awkward introductions or the bad performance editing, but something just wasn't working for me in this first episode. I even went back and watched the first episode of Boys Planet to compare the two, and that one was just so much fun. The obviously produced "spontaneous" moments didn't feel as cringey as they do in Fantasy Boys. Not to give Mnet any credit, you know, but...😅
Same! I mean I always planned to continue it (as a way to get over my post boys planet depression since it’s coming to an end) but these two definitely made me enjoy the episode a lot more after the fact than when I was actually watching the first episode lol
Daniel Bok aka Daniel Lachapelle is half-French. He was a child model and would appear in variety shows from time to time as the Korean-speaking foreign child. SM supposedly scouted him for their modeling division as a child model and he was in NCT's debut teaser. Oh and Rj's Girls Generation shirt is amazing. I am jealous.
K soul has previously participated in We Are Young 2020 where he once removed his makeup on live performance because he wanted to prove his haters his face isn’t fake (not plastic surgery)
Santa's dream has always been to be an idol so I don't think the attention (newjeans who?) theory is right for him. Santa always posts dance and singing covers and he's honestly really good! I will not mention Yaya...love him tho
So excited y'all are recapping this too! I opened up the notes app on my phone at the beginning of the episode to keep track of a potential top 12 for voting purposes -- the note literally just says "K-Soul".
I can’t call him Yaya! He’s forever Yacht to me and he’s been a BL side character forEVER and he JUST got to graduate to couplehood and mm kissery. I’ve loved that goofy gus since his bit role in Water Boyy, through bad acting, bad skin, bad shows….I’m on the Yacht, I’m fully onboard for Yacht. I know he’s not gonna make it but he’s gonna make it out of there with my love. So…yes.
Originally I wasn’t going to start it but I might just watch it for Taeseon,Yuma and Ksoul. Idk, boys planet is just so iconic that I’m going to be judging fantasy boys so hard, but I’m happy that it’s 12 boys with a 7 year contract. Mnet needs to get on that wave
Oh wow y’all making using of that green screen now! I was listening to this on Spotify, glad we got a RU-vid version. To be very honest I’m not vibing with the show so far. The whole waiting for the doors to open to see the grading was so unnecessarily long and I couldn’t get past that the auditions were all pretty bad so far or had so much back tracking. But mawha I will be watching for miss Jinyoung. He was a mighty fine snack for the eyes.
I watched &audition and to be honest Junwon was under my radar until like the second to last episode but then I got obsessed with his voice and I was so happy when I saw him in the signal song mv
Santa from SantaEarth, Santa??!! Tbh, I haven't watched anything he's in (including Fantasy Boys lol) but I am very fond of Earth so by default I'm going to have to keep an eye out for Santa. At the very least I'll have to listen to the rest of the BLFB episodes to keep up!
i probably wont be watching fantasy boys but i will be watching boys love fantasy boys. ill watch anything boys love *insert survival show* yalls commentary is the best part of my week. also im living for the green screen. its so good.
Fully agree on pretty much everything y’all said. 😌 The production for Fantasy Boys is sooo nice but it really falls short on like. Everything else. I was so confused when they kept not showing auditions or switching up the music. One thing about me though is I will be voting for Santa!! That uneven split of global/Korean votes will not stop his debut!!
I just have to say - Thank you so much for your videos, it's legit my comfort content that really helps me deal with life and puts a smile on my face. Thank you, you are so funny. I literally love you so much. p.s. Woonggi - the butch legend is the funniest sh*t ever
STAAAAAAHP! THE LEGALLY BLONDE SPOOF AT THE END GOT ME CACKLING!!! Can you imagine if they did a show called “Beret Boys”?! Adam would be in trouble but I’d live for this concept hahaha!!!
Tbh I’m only watching this show because of Junwon since he was one of my top picks on &audition. He’s really charming and he performed great even though he was injured/sick for so much of it.
When I tell you that I know actually nothing about anything Fantasy Boys but I saw my boy Taeseon in the background of this video…I might have to watch it now Edit/Side Note: Soyeon was eating it UP in that little dress she was wearing omg. She gave, she served, I died
Y’all I love Yacht (yaya) but what are ppl voting for him 😭 Like my first bl was lbc so he’ll always have a place in my heart but he just doesn’t have the skills to make it
I watched fantasy boys because I saw that you guys had filmed this so I knew I had to watch! also, finding out that this group would be a group for seven years and that Hyunbin from Ciipher was on it made me extra nervous and worried for Keita and the rest of the Ciipher boys. Like, what goes on over there??!!?!? I too liked that everyone had to audition individually and that there are less boys so everyone gets more screen time, but I was also upset about saying the pronunciation was bad. Because, as a native English speaker, we aren't as worried because no one speaks the same way here anyways so we can't really judge and it's annoying to focus on that.
Viki did me so dirty. I was kinda confused like what is this music they're dancing for and why are people only dancing for the audition. I went on Twitter and found audition clips.
I need the tea on the 55th trainee 👀☕ Also, Yaya I have seen in countless BL normally as a supporting character. I haven't seen Santa's BL but I need to tune in. I fell into the Thai BL when covid hit and there are so many now it's hard to keep up 😅 love all of the content though
The 55th trainee is called Hinata and he's Japanese. He left due to accusations of bullying. He bullied a girl 1-2 years younger than him. He admitted to some accusations.
@@TheAmpliverse either watch on kshow or kiss Asian mines was the same I saw k soul audition them giving him grade 2 for bad pronunciation is foul when right after him they gave a trainee who trainee for one month and someone who sang worse that him grade 1
iQIYI official media partner of Fantasy Boys with English subs. Though you'll get to watch free a day after. If you have a plan you can watch it on the same time as it airs.
Honestly idk if i will even continue watching fantasy boys because i feel like compared to boys planet tbh there are like 5 people who are good. I think MBC is shooting themselves in the foot by not making more efforts to push this to the global market, especially considering the kpop market makes most of its money these days internationally instead of domestically. However, regardless of whether i continue watch this i will 100 PERCENT be watching your commentary week by week. I love you guys so much, your commentary is so fun, I will watch any survival show you guys cover!!! Love your content and I hope you continue!
I don't know... I thought that compared to Boys Planet (and the Produce series as a whole, really) the mentors, including Soyeon, were care bears. The whole show, not unlike My Teenage Girl last year, feels really wholesome compared to what mnet usually offers. I don't know how well that will get trough the public tough. Most people complain about mnet and its tactics but they take the popcorn anyway and get bored if there is no drama. There are two version out there. One cuts 10 minutes of performances in rather hilarious way ("Oh, you didn't sing..." one second later... "oh, thanks for singing..." - Boy only dances. "Wow, both your singing and dancing were great"). They are both "out there", in arr arrr, vpn and completely legal way. The good one is 2 hr long, the shorter one 1h 48 min. I did notice that two of the songs they cut entirely on the short version were indeed by western artist (Kendrick Lamar and Bruno Mars) but I am not entirely sure if all the modified songs fit that bill. I am tough fascinated by two morons on the internet trying to explain to professional kpop Idols what kpop is really about...
Omg Yeaaay!! So excited you guys are starting the Fantasy recap, this journey is going to be double the fun thanks to your videos. ❤ coming from Boys Planet I never in a million years thought we would find someone to match the girlie energy and quite honestly surpass it, but just this episode K- “Joan Crawford” Soul was EVERYTHING!! Can’t wait to see more of him. I’m Speechless in a good way. Yuma bringing baked goods for everyone and not being intimidated by K-Soul. ❤ Like I need him to do well and improve. Also I have a very special place for Santa because he was paired in his BL with Cooheart who is one of the very few openly gay Thai actors and their interactions where always fantastic and so sweet. There is a video of Cooheart reacting to Santa Fantasy Boys suit dance video and is pure love. Santa has worked so hard for this and has talked so much about his dream of being an Idol so he truly is for the end game and not just the promo. Can’t wait for episode 2!!
Ok I have not watched the show yet and was watching this vid out of curiosity, but hearing them say K-Soul makes Woongki look butch made me bust out laughing 😂 😂 I must see this boy now
You guys need to be getting kickbacks from all of us paying for Viki plus to watch this😅 it’s Junwon and K-soul for me ❤ but I want to wait to vote until we have seen everyone. I’m not sure if there’s less visuals on FB or if the lighting in that warehouse is very harsh. Ps my boyfriend was watching under 18 champions league ⚽️ match where he can see who would be good enough to join the real teams and I said it was like the straight man’s boys planet. And yes, his BP bias is mingyu.
soo I did it, I watched fantasy boys specifically to watch boys love fantasy boys🤩 and I’m proud to say while watching the show I predicted your faves would be K-Soul and Yuma😌
Apparently, and according to Kpop profiles, Bok Daniel is Korean-American (although his other last name is giving French). He also starred in a kid's show with NewJeans' Danielle when they were kids. As to why he doesn't speak English, idk, i can only assume
I honestly just watched Fantasy Boys because of Soyeon & out of curiosity to see how it matched up to Boys Planet 😂 I think BP wins hands down for me! 💜✨️ I was gonna stop watching Fantasy Boys but now that y'all have started these recaps- I just may have to keep watching FB cause I love your reactions too much ❤😢🤭
as a kpop stan, i can withstand A LOT of cringe. i'm no stranger to seeing cringe in front of me and then have it be repeated 5 times just to make sure i saw it. but this show........ i couldn't take it. godspeed to everyone watching the sounded mean lol but yeah the amount of aegyo was a bit overwhelming
Personally would have suggested Fantasy boys air After boy's planet because Then the attention would go down to then but airing both at a go... I don't know but whatever. My no.1 pick is Hong Seongmin. OMG, saw him dancing to TT on his PR and was like...omg who 😘 He's damn cute. He's literally a darling. And he's Indeed a babygirl level😌🥺 Then we have Ksoul and Yuma like omg those two gave me the pure laugh I needed. Grand Princess omg I laughed it all. And ksoul dear wouldn't stop talking like eyes Where gurl, stop😂😂 Woonggi escaped boy's planet! Again is Moon Hyunbin, A GG enthusiast like him ain't leaving my pick 😍 Basically I tend to love Their dorm lol. I love feels it gives. And let's compare with boys planet . The Only reason I'm in Boy's planet is because of Woonggi tbh. And i see fantasy boys about to give me Woonggi pro max 2.😂 If only Woonggi went to fantasy boy 😭😭 Omg that would be sacred!
I've always been a silent avid watcher of your Boys Planet videos and I really really love your reactions😺. And even though I didn't watch the episode 1 of Fantasy boys...... But here I am... Watching your recap even before watching the episode... ＼(^o^)／
havent watched the video yet lol but i'm thinking IF i watch i'll just watch and not vote, it doesn't seem very global fan friendly anyway (no translations in app, romanized names in the episode, subs on other content) so i'll just be annoyed 😭 there were things that i do like abt this (grade concept, less trainees even tho they still cut so many ppl lol, fun look, no g vs k, etc.) however i feel like all the production value went into making the set look good 😵💫 i didn't like how random auditions felt. some people did 2 numbers where they sang for one and danced for the other, some did one number where they sang and danced, etc. and it didn't feel standardized enough. also thought it was weird that only some people were called two at a time and randomly had to audition "next to each other"?? also felt like the doors system was interesting but so drawn out in the grand scheme of things. overall not super impressed with episode one but some trainees did stick out to me so i'll root for them from afar. yuma and soul... welcome to babygirl nation lmaoooo 😭 also thought shiryu's dancing was AMAZING. as a shinee and taemin fan he did him so well. also thought second guy to walk in aka one of two muscle guys surprised me SO much. his voice was GREATTTT!!! (i say i wont watch now but you guys watching and reviewing is a huge temptation hahaaaaa hoping and crossing my fingers you'll watch i-land 2 if it ever comes tf out bc im waiting for the girls to bring it!!)
I'm going to be honest, I'm not going to vote, I'm just going to inbrased the moments and the app to vote is on korean not in English (lol😂) and I feel like I'm going to love k-soul soooo vote for him please
I dropped boys planet because I can’t stand the drama anymore and I loved the first episode of fantasy boys. It’s kinda relaxing in comparison. Also I agree, K-Soul is the best contestant lol 😹
It makes me so angry when these masters/producers get on global trainees about their pronunciation/korean ability. I agree you need to have some basic understanding of korean when you start these shows or else it’s just going to be hard for you, but we’ve seen with so many idol groups and survival shows - after just a few months global trainees/idols improve their korean exponentially because of the immersion (see takuto). They can LEARN korean and they WILL but you can’t miss out on a good voice. (Fly high cong) I really hope fantasy boys doesn’t focus on that and instead helps them improve their pronunciation. If you opened the show up to global trainees with no Korean sufficiency requirement then you need to accept that there will be global trainees who can’t speak korean well.
