Episode 233: What's Up With Baptism? 

Absolutely. JP, brother-I believe you must really repent/rethink this meaning. I challenge you to do history homework on why baptism is now called a “symbol of profession” because it is nowhere to be found in God’s Word. I grew up Jewish and if you only take the New Testament to understand baptism you’re going to be extremely lost… which may be why today’s church is so lost on a topic so immensely huge. A believer’s baptism, according to Biblical doctrine (not Protestant, catholic, or anything else) was when a human being would be re-created through the blood and Spirit of Christ. Being born of “Water and Spirit” through God’s Word was how the cosmos was created in Genesis 1:1-3. Follow this thread throughout the Torah. The flood story, the exodus story, and priesthood’s immersion. God’s method of salvation into new creation for his covenant family (in the present age) has always been through “Water and the Spirit”. Nicodemus was curious too and Jesus expected him to understand that this is what the prophets had been prophesying about all along-Zechariah 12:1-13:1, Ezekiel 36, Isaiah 44:3, Micah 7, Joel 2-3, etc. Jesus picks right up on this thread as he is The Living Word of God and tells how to be recreated through His Name and His own blood and Spirit. Nothing removes our sins besides the blood of Christ (Hebrews 9), and our sins are removed when we are baptized into His Name (Acts 2:38, Acts 22, 1 Peter 3:21, Romans 6, Colossians 2). We come in contact with the “Blood, Water, and Spirit” as John would say in 1 John 5. Brother Jonathan, with a platform this large you can’t go about changing God’s Word with so many people listening. You mentioned our sins are not forgiven/washed away and we do not receive the Holy Spirit when we are baptized. The apostle Peter would clearly not agree as he said, “Repent (Think Differently) and be baptized-every single one of you-for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit.” He saw himself in a time where all of the prophets’ prophecies about the Kingdom and New Creation inauguration was happening through the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Sh’vuot/Pentecost. Paul would later write in Ephesians 4 that there is “ONE baptism” during his Messianic version of the Sheman (which is awesome!). When you are baptized into the water, you are baptized by the Spirit of Elohim into the New Creation just like in Genesis 1, Genesis 6-8, Exodus 15, Joshua 1-4, etc. There are not “two baptisms” my brother. That’s unbiblical in of itself as the Apostle Paul has told us there is only one. I will be praying for you brother, as I have many friends who appreciate your podcast and I see the work God is doing through you. But I truly challenge you to quit listening to the voices who have compromised Messiah’s truth about His definition of baptism-which is why so many 1-3 century believers were killed on the way to being baptized… they knew that was the means Christ gave us to be washed by His Precious Blood and to be resurrected with Him into New Creation life. Hence, “If anyone is in Christ (if they have been immersed into His Name), they are a New Creation.”

This is a great question. Would love clarity on it as well.

LOOK FOR THE UNITY OF CONTINUITY There are many forms of Baptisms in scripture. But the one everyone seems to debate over or whatever is Our Lords baptism & the new birth. BUT the context is THE FLOOD/THE EXODUS. Jesus baptism symbolizes that of NOAH/ARK all those baptized in HIM - The flood the dove is sent 3x in John our Lord promises the spirit 3x NEW CREATION NEW WORLD. Exodus. Rebirth fo Israel. Earthly birth must be followed by spiritual birth. The spirit had been promised to Israel & Jesus is that promise/agent. Nicodemus The Teacher of Israel * by night, born from above, * new beginning, new birth of Israel - Gods Child. Brings his son out of Egypt, through the waters of the sea * Hosea 11: 1 * Exodus 4: 22 * Exodus 12: 41-42 * Exodus 13: 20-22 * Exodus 14: 20-21 * Exodus 15: 10 * Deuteronomy: 18: 18-19 * John 1: 31-33 (Flesh, physical - Spirit, Jesus Spiritual baptism) * John 6: 14, John 7: 40-41 (Jesus is Moses) * Deuteronomy: 32: 6, 18 * 1 Corinthians 10: 1-2 *************** Ezekiel 18: Ezekiel 36: 25

I love that you asked this question! I'm also a part of the ICOC and the topic of baptism is something that I've always struggled with, even to this day, having been almost five years in the church I still go back and forth. So I'm glad I'm not the only one because I really thought I was lol

@@ICoop_X I don’t need to read more. It’s all through scripture. It’s obvious that we are from different denominations that will cause confusion with this very topic. The same with the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues. Still love the podcast tho.

@@ICoop_X you should also stop commenting on everyone’s opinions. I seen you comment on another persons response that don’t agree. We can all agree to disagree.

@@ICoop_X I’m not about to argue with you in the comment section. God bless son. Once again stop commenting on people’s opinions that differ from you. You are not God. Your interpretation of the Bible is obviously different.

LOOK FOR THE UNITY OF CONTINUITY There are many forms of Baptisms in scripture. But the one everyone seems to debate over or whatever is Our Lords baptism & the new birth. BUT the context is THE FLOOD/THE EXODUS. Jesus baptism symbolizes that of NOAH/ARK all those baptized in HIM - The flood the dove is sent 3x in John our Lord promises the spirit 3x NEW CREATION NEW WORLD. Exodus. Rebirth fo Israel. Earthly birth must be followed by spiritual birth. The spirit had been promised to Israel & Jesus is that promise/agent. Nicodemus The Teacher of Israel * by night, born from above, * new beginning, new birth of Israel - Gods Child. Brings his son out of Egypt, through the waters of the sea * Hosea 11: 1 * Exodus 4: 22 * Exodus 12: 41-42 * Exodus 13: 20-22 * Exodus 14: 20-21 * Exodus 15: 10 * Deuteronomy: 18: 18-19 * John 1: 31-33 (Flesh, physical - Spirit, Jesus Spiritual baptism) * John 6: 14, John 7: 40-41 (Jesus is Moses) * Deuteronomy: 32: 6, 18 * 1 Corinthians 10: 1-2 *************** Ezekiel 18: Ezekiel 36: 25

You should checkout the website they mentioned @ 28:30

Born of the water and of the spirit is speaking on being born in the flesh and in the spirit - water is the physical birth on earth and spirit is the spiritual awakening when you confess and repent of your sin, believe Jesus died and rose again paying the price of sin for us, and putting your faith in Him! Jesus speaks on this in John 3

@@Alexmccollumlove seeing someone know there scripture😤

@@Alexmccollum you contradict yourself when you have this belief. Baptism washes away your sins as your being born again through Christ’s death and receiving the Holy Spirit. Speaks of this multiple times in Acts… you can’t receive the Spirit without baptism. Having Faith leads you to baptism and a life with God

@@marcomartinez6045 well said!! Thank you.