Episode 70 (August 5, 2024), "Out of Nothing" 

And lo, God looked upon his creation, and said “First!”

Oh no, they were countryside peasants? 😭

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Oh yeah, seemed like a "Like" symbol in a bubble??

I really want to talk to someone from 1000 BCE and just quiz them about how they picture the world and creation. “So in the cosmic chaos ocean, was there still an up and down? Do you picture Adonai swimming along the surface of the unformed earth before he installed firmament?”

👍A nod to Billy Preston.

Not tryna be your Hero, Cause that zero Is too cold for me (Brrr)! Not tryna be your Highness, Cause that minus, Is just too damn low to see! 🎹🎙️🎼🎵🎶

He separates the Heavens from the Earth, implying that they were mixed together before he separated them. Unclear if the mixed up material was a homogenized amorphous mass, or was heterogeneous chunks of heaven and earth mixed together. The later suggests there was a pre-Creation Reese’s Peanut Butter cup event, where chunks of chocolate, I mean heaven, got mixed up with earthly peanut butter.

@@MarcosElMalo2 Where are “heavens” separated from land? In 1:7, the sky is created as a separator of the waters, but it does not say what the vault/sky was created from.

@@scienceexplains302 it's gods breathe ; winds is spirit (energy/life) it needs (earth/water) to create life, Hoovering over it matter will then regenerate life. Earth /seas will bring forth live when contacted with air/oxygen. Simple Heaven & Earth (twin urges/ demiurg) are/is the true creator. The dead void mass is the body of the slaughtered dragon ; Rebirth out of water (includes earth) and spirit (includes fire, the 4th element).

Your more right than you think. I had my pastor tell the congregation once "Even if scientists create life from dirt one day -- I will tell them 'go get your own dirt'".

The tales in Daniel as presented in typical bibles are out of sequence, and span some different periods. Sacrilegious Discourse is reading it now and they made a point of noting some of the background info mentioned about the books texts being out of order to group them by thematic style. And of course they're myths, often containing historical figures but not necessarily historically accurate, or even making much realistic sense. So it might just be a contradiction which apologists twist themselves in knots to make "harmonize." Also, see 48:24 where they explicitly cover this, but in a different way than I mention.

I don't think Dan used the word 'perverting' and you shouldn't use it either. Things changed, that's objective, while 'perverting' is judgemental. If you want objective truth, you need to remain objective and detached. You want to know what version is closer to the truth, and you suspect, and that's commendable, that something being older doesn't mean always more truthful. But, ask yourself, what do you really want to accomplish? Do you want a final text to believe in, without inconvenient doubts? Because that approach is never going to be objective. If you really want to be welcome in your community, probably you should just stop. Whatever you are going to find is going to mean a lot for you, but probably not for others.

​@@juanausensi499Thanks Juan. Guess I'll stuff a sock in my pie hole. 😂 I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

Sure, sometimes language let's others understand you....sometimes, not so much.

@@lde-m8688 Who would have known that scriptures were written to hide in plain sight what is to be revealed, when people that read it have no idea what to look for. Making a mockery of something that is difficult to comprehend, is easier than putting in the effort to understand it as it stands. Job 38: 33 Strange that peter known as the rock, is also allegory of Cephas, or in a lateral slant, Cepheus upon the celestial sphere. Matthew 16:23 Maybe the Greek Myth of Kronus eating his children might help, but i dont think it would help at all. God is a flesh eater, another pointer, but it induces nothing but ridicule, which is ironic in its entirety. Satan incites David to take a census, it is now accepted as law.1 Chronicles 21:1 Who controls the planet? Take care, its a jungle out there.

Language itself probably rose 100,000s of years ago. The foundation of language is temple culture in Mesopotamia. The first temple is the temple of E-Absu in Eridu 5300 BCE which was part of the establishment of a stable polytheism in S. Mesopotamia. In and around 4000 BCE as the copper age becomes a increasingly important the Kura-Araxas culture settles into the original metal gathering areas north of the Tigris region forcing the Mesopotamians to expand their metal ore gathering east-west. Two villages north of Eridu on the Euphrates merge to create Uruk which rapidly gained power given its access to trade (Eridu was an Iskand in a swamp, and Ur and early city was abandoned, probably flooded out, but starts to come back as Uruk is rising). This begins the Uruk period. The settlement itself is formed under two gods, a “Venus like” protogoddess and a a sky sprite. The Uruk Culture sees expanding trade growth with upstream outposts and the need for a trading system that has “legs” on it. Within this context the Temple life expands with an attempt to organize the cities under the priesthoods resulting in hubs for trade under the celestial sky, dinger An, effectively the priesthood of An at E-Anna (the white temple, as the temple grows to higher and higher Elevations on its pyramids. In this context of increased inter polity trade there needs to be a system of value accounting. Around 3500 BCE we see this gravitating toward a perfunctory writing system (3300 BCE) which is a writing system in 3100 BCE (Early Sumer, Early Bronze Age). The typical documents we see are temple accounting records. By the time writing begins the creation story of Eridu was probably already a thing in which the world of Eridu was dominated once by the water sprite Absu and he probably had a consort NinAbsu (Tiamat, Tahom in Semitic). The biblical Tahom is more like the Eriduans would have imagined her powers, as a natural being that simply existed and did things without any divine vendetta. The Absu homolog plays a role in the biblical flood myth. Within the construct by the 25th century BCE there was a recognition of the replacement ontology of Absu within Enki which was a proper god, within the context of Eridu, which saw itself as formative (as opposed to Uruks claim) the daughter/grandaughter of the water spirits was Nammu. In the mythology Nammu parthenogenically gives rise to Enki. In later mythology she is order by the divine council in Uruk to make workers so that the lower gods do not need to toil upon the land growing barley and making beer (which process plays a major part in earliest writing). What we need to understand here is that Mesopotamia has next to nothing in terms of resources except mud, it has lots of clay for making craft ware, building irrigation works, and bricks for temples. So it is natural to them that if men were to be crafted they would be formed from clay. So Nammu sets out to make men, she consults the wise Enki, who gives her detailed instructions on how to make men of clay, and she begins making men to do the gods work. How should we fit this into our understanding of God(s). The first thing we need to understand is that the early religion of Eridu, never mentioned in the Bible, plays an esoteric role in the foundational biblical mythologies for two primary reasons. First, when it came to exporting gods and belief structures Mesopotamia simply was dominant until the Persian period. To be more specific, in and around 26th to 27th century the Sumerians renewed that problem riddled expansion up the middle Euphrates into the upper Euphrates and Canaan. At the time Ebla dominated trade, within 200 years you see the gods of Ebla fading and the appearance of a fatherly like El and later theophorics to Ia (Essentially Enki and a prototype to Yahweh that later formed in the Arava). As the old system of gods fell El, the most high, rose to the top of the Canaanite pantheon. By the peak of Akkad, El (and its many other ethnic names) as a god was constrained to a wilderness god and whose priest resided in Tabernacle on the peaks of mountains. IOW not a high god of a great city like Ebla once was. This probably represents the suppression of Ebla by Mari. The second reason as mentioned is that some of the earliest kings of Israel probably recognized Ea/Ia as a deity from Mesopotamia.

​@infiniti28160 yeah sure, whatever you say.

@@Darisiabgal7573 The reality of civilization being much older than is imagined in scriptures, is pointed towards in the video above, when the discourse relates to creation from what is already in place. If one understands that Anu, the mythological sky god ruled and then was demoted for some reasoning expressed by Marduk, this can be correlated to a change of mindset, which is understood if one turns to vedic scriptures. Ishtar being Anu's daughter is parrelled in greek myth with two Aphrodites, Pandemos and Urania, and the introduction of this can be found in the Judgement of Paris, which correlates to Lebanon. The division between a ruling elite and the subjugated as well as a military can be seen upon the Naqada Label- Time has become fixed within the minds of people as well as regulated trade and industry. Governance has become established. This is not discussed in Scriptures at all, time, money along with trade and government all being accepted as natural ocurrences that just are, which is a clue as to something being hidden. Something that i should expound upon is Abaddon, but i will leave it here as people are perplexed at what i have already written, which makes me understand that somethings are beyond the cognitive reach of those that still want to believe in superstition.