Ergonomic Mouse Review: SpaceMouse, Vertical and Handheld Trackball 

Good to know that it's a legit option with practice. I'll check out those models. Thank you.

Whats about 3d modeling? Does Kensington Slimblade good for it?

My first ever mouse was a cheap COM port trackball, just thought it would feel more natural. Still have it :)

I've never tried a Wacom tablet, like the idea though. Yes, I did the same thing with training the left hand on the mouse. Miserably frustrating for a long while but worth it.

It takes a couple of hours to adjust to looking at the screen instead of at the pen. But once you get it, it's magic.

You're welcome.

I'm using a Spacemouse with a wacom rn and it'd very interesting

I purchased the Logistic ergonomic trackball handheld similar to a joystick. It really helped my RSI within a few days along with soaking my hand in Epsom salt.

Wherexexactly donyou think most of those other products come from?

@@broderp China. Please note rosallin said "CHEAP china products" though =)

You're welcome.

That makes sense. It's crazy, the new problems created by things that solve problems.

I'll look into those. Thank you for the suggestions.

Gotta say though, the DXT vertical I really nice. Doesn't hurt the thumb.

Do you have a Tutorial or Blog Post how to program a controller? It sounds logical that it is better because normally with a controller you are in the handshake position with your hand...

Agreed. I got a tiny tablet recently, primarily for Photoshop. Nice addition.

Makes sense. No these trackballs are inexpensive, very light, really more for travel and presentations. I hadn't ever tried one before.

@@LindyDesignLab I actually really enjoined using a track ball. Probably not quite as accurate as a mouse but very comfortable. Being mechanical however, it wore out. One of my students uses a 3D mouse in 3DS Max and he loves it. He's used it for years though so he's very fast. I tried it and was struggling but I can see the advantage.

@@VicMorrowsGhost A bit less accuracy would be worth it to work longer hours in comfort. Yeah, I'm definitely not fast on the 3D mouse yet, but it seems like it will be mindless with a bit of practice.

@@LindyDesignLab I gotta say, i've been using a trackball for many years and i'm faster and more accurate than with a normal mouse. Never going back. You move the cursor out of the finger tips instead of the elbow, but it takes some getting used to. Avoid the thumb operated trackballs, they're no good.

The 3D mouse continues to grow on me also.

Like all things should be

No sarcasm intended! I routinely use two mice, to reduce repetitive stress injury (RSI). I never had to do any special setup for it. I just plug them both into two different USB ports and they both work fine. But I am on Linux. Is there a setup problem on Microsoft or Apple computers?

That's kind of brilliant. Or even a strap around the back of the fingers, something along those lines would be much easier on the thumb

@@LindyDesignLab I thought about a strap, but the mushroom idea seems easiest as you dont have to work your hand in and out of a strap, just spread your fingers till your hand is set, then just slide into and out of position as needed. Being as you have a printer it should be something you could easily print and epoxy into place to get a shape that fits your hand best.

@@whoopsherewego True, perhaps with a nice thin stem so it isn't uncomfortable between the fingers after a while. Hmm...

yes because it has a laser

Precision m4800.

@@LindyDesignLab Thank you so much.

Evulent VM4RW vertical mouse

Haven't tried that one, but I think the trackball location at the thumb would be less comfortable for me than the Kensington SlimBlade I'm using currently.

I have that one and it is so comfortable, at least for a big hands user like me, is awesome, I never try it a trackball mice and I decided to start with a cheap thumb one like M570, and I'm in love, I was a only gamer mice fan, and Trackball for normal task is the best!

Very much right handed, forced to learn to use my left hand due to issues with right arm. Miserable at first but totally doable with practice.

I'll check that out. Thanks.

@@bugsbunny4539 Glad to help.

Perhaps so. I use a kneeling chair, still trying to sort out what's the optimum height and angle for the controls with that setup. Not sure how a tablet would work for video editing and fusion? That's not something I've researched yet. Thank you for the suggestions!

Cool! Is it the pro or the enterprise with the screen? That one looks intense.

The pro :D the enterprise is a bit overkill i think :D im working as a mechanical engineer /designer so this stuff is really usefull btw :D

Nice, ok I may try the pro eventually cause I'm quite liking the spacemouse. Thanks for the input!

@@LindyDesignLab and the best thing with this if you are a multi-caduser you can use the same method in every software to rotate, zoom and pan and this is a huge help.

@@illogicalferi Indeed. So frustrating sometimes switching between programs and muscle memory becoming a hindrance.

Dell precision m4800

Agreed. Still makes my forearm hurt eventually, then I switch to the vertical mouse.

Whatever works to get the job done :)

yea, mac`s multitouch trackpad is lightyears ahead of windows, literally all windows trackpads suck. its got a lot better but its still nowhere usable for other than light tasks.

I set the buttons for each program individually by opening that application then bringing up the 3dconnexion properties window while that program was selected. Not sure why it wouldn't save your settings.

Some extreme options would be compression gloves and elbow rests. The gloves will help if you ever get stiff fingers and mobile elbow rests can help prevent shoulder tension if you go back and forth between mouse and keyboard a lot. Otherwise, consider the dxt vertical mouse. I prefer the Kensington trackball, but if my forearm starts to hurt, that vertical mouse is the least strenuous mouse ever when used correctly. Good luck.

Now office ergonimics is a science in itself and it´s not possible to fix all the problems with a youtube comment but I´ll try to help as much as I can. First of all - your body is a complex system and not individual parts attached to each other. Although you feel pain in your mouse arm the problem may not be solely in the arm. Check your whole body posture to make sure it´s not the main cause. google some yourself and/or check these links for (not only) that: www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/office-ergonomics/art-20046169 ergo-plus.com/office-ergonomics-10-tips-to-help-you-avoid-fatigue/ Second - make sure you support your arm right. The fleshy part of your forearm close to the elbow is where you support your arm. Good way to do that easily is having a sort of cutout table. If the table surrounds you then you have plenty of room to rest your arms. I have a sort of ⟨ shape front side of a table that suits me perfectly. Third - AVOID working with your arm joints in odd angles. If your wrist is angled down or bent back it´s pinching your nerves and veins and causes carpal syndrome. Same goes for your elbow. If it´s at an acute angle you´re screwing up your nerves and veins there. Your hand shoud be tilted slightly up in the wrist and rotated slightly outwards. If you let your arm fall freely on the table it will sort of get in this natural position. Your elbow should be angled out and front from your shoulder and have an optuse angle. Raise your chair and get a deep enough table. In combination with raised monitor to eye level this sould get you a good posture overall. I personally also avoid wrist rests as in my case particularly they pinch my wrist (which causes carpal syndrome) when I´m not actively concentrating on using them right (which almost nobody does). If you support your arm correctly there´s no need for wrist rests as they are more of a last resort rather than ergonomic solution. The danger comes from a general misunderstanding of "wrist" rests. See this article for more information: lifehacker.com/wrist-rests-are-for-your-palms-not-your-wrists-1672756283 Fourth - Get a bigass bulky mouse. Your hands were designed some two milion years ago to hold two types of objects: branches some 3cm to 5cm in diameter and stones and fruit about the size of a coconut. Surely flat and sleek apple mice look neet but they don´t support any part of your hand and they put it in an unnatural position. I personally think vertical mice are an overkill but a mouse that tilts your hand a bit outward is a way to go. The goal is to get your hand in a natural position where it rests mainly on the fleshy pinky finger side of your hand. On this topic as well - set your pointer speed to fast and enhanced precision. You want to slide your arm around the table as little as possible so you don´t fillde the tendons, nerves and veins around too much. Last but not least - set an alarm to notify you every 25 minutes to get up from your chair and walk and stretch a bit. You can go full tomato method if you can but some of us don´t get away with 5 minte breaks :/ ... Apart from rebooting your brain, getting more energy and feeling altogether good about yourself, your body actually needs the muscle movement to help circulate the blood and lymph. And no, no oil or lotion can do that for you when you´re older. Use your body as it was built to be used - by moving it about in a natural way. Good thing to do is walk for a small glass of water in these breaks (drink it on the spot, not by sipping at the desk - this in turn relieves your kidneys). It keeps you hydrated and if you work in an office with other people (who are ignorant to ergonomics) it doesn´t look like you´re just fooling about ;)

I hear you. I have about 20 years left to go on my accounting career. Here are some suggestions: 1. Learn keyboard shortcuts for excel and all your accounting software 2. Consider using track ball instead of mouse for less forearm movement. 3. Remap your Caps Lock key to Left mouse click using Auto hot key. This will allow you to use right hand to move cursor and left hand for clicking. 4. Most keyboards have number pad on the right side so you have to extend your right arm to operate your mouse/ trackball. I find this is really tiring for my right hand and shoulder after full day at work. We need to start using left hand more - I highly recommend getting a left vertical mouse or trackball. You can also get ten-key-less keyboard and buy bluetooth number pad separately for the left hand use. This way you can keep using mouse/ trackball on the right side without having to extend your arm too far. My current set up is like this: Left hand - Ploopy left hand trackball mouse (for web browsing and going over PDF documents) Keyboard - Kinesis Advantage 2 (I developed terrible pain in both of my wrist recently so I ended up buying this keyboard. It was very expensive but this is for my livelihood.) Right hand - MS sculpt ergonomic mouse (for work that demands more precision such as excel or accounting software)

Nice.

A powerful workstation level grade computer even these days kinda have to be big and heavy.

Crap mouse button stop working after a year!

Try out a trackball. Not one of the presentation wands she used in the video, something like a Logitech M570. When you get used to them, they reduce the amount of work your right wrist does while pointing dramatically.

Thanks for the recommendation!

@@balogh89 I can recommend the affordable Trackman Marble to start out with. Stay away from thumb operated trackballs, they can really hurt if you make alot of hours with it.

actually tenkeyless without numpad is a lot better, allowing oyu to put your mousehand closer.

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Yes but I use the numpad a lot, multiple times a day.

i have been using trackball mice since the mid 90s and they all have been Logitech, now i have been using the Logitech MX Ergo Wireless Trackball Mouse and lover it

My current setup includes a Kensington trackball.

Indeed.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Explored that a bit in this later video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LthZcIsG1tE.html . Thanks for stopping by!