Eric Mangini on Belichick: 'Bill is different than other coaches' | NFL | UNDISPUTED 

Who deserves more credit for the Pats dynasty: Brady or Belichick?

Who remembers when Skip lost a debate to this guy and at the end talked about how he got fired as a head coach? 😂

Drinking game: take a shot wend ever Undisputed talks about 1. Lebron 2.The cowboys 3. Tom Brady

Belichick is the one who drafted Brady and is the one who puts the nobodies in place and makes them great players. So Belichick is the one who built the dynasty.

"Hes carrying awful roster" Doesnt win MVP. Wins Superbowl instead. #GOAT

ooohhh how nice Eric and Skip are finally getting along!!!!

BB is a genius. Lots of players had career years in NE and then left and basically drifted. BB took in some many rows offs and made them serviceable.

What a great discussion all 3 points are well made.As a New England since Steve Grogan fan, you are all absolutely right! These 2 guys are like they are sent from Heaven! Kudos to Mangini by the way after the spygate stuff, to endorse Bill like that - speaks well of you Eric.

Skip seems to ignore the fact that the Patriots defense shut out opponents in the 2nd half. You can't win a game if the defense keeps the opponents out of the endzone, yards don't win you games (which skip uses for the last SB).

Skip cannot tell Eric about the pats.

Brady should get some credit for the Pats' salary cap. A different QB of the same caliber would be requiring so much more than Brady. Instead, Brady takes progressively less in order for the team to bring on more talented/expensive players.

He is the Phil Jackson of football!!!

"that guy needs to get his bleep together" -Coach Mangini

great analysis!!!

Didnt they win with Garappolo and Brissett??? This conversation is ridiculous. They both need each other

W/O Brady 52-61, with Brady 226-68.

DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU SKIP ON THIS ONE

I bet if the patriots had Sean Lee, they would be able to win 100% of their games without brady.

Also the Seattle super bowl was won on a play by a undeafted player who Bill prepared for the exact pick play Seattle ran.

lol I love when Mangini comes on the show - all he does is speak logically and it sounds so reasonable, and then Skip chimes in with his ridiculous takes and all I can do is laugh.

Tom Brady 100% is the reason for PATS's success.

As a lifelong Patriots fan, it is Bill Belichick. Tom is an all time great QB and leader, but Bill has constructed a system and a culture that is second to none. The very nature of the Patriots system, which focuses on roles rather than stars, has allowed us to effectively manage our cap while enhancing the talents of individual players. We dont need an Antonio Brown because we have a system that makes guys like Edelman highly effective. Not to take away from the players, who execute that system flawlessly.

I absolutely agree with Skip

Bill and Tom are both the 🐐. Neither one deserves more credit than the other. The pats might win a division with a Matt cassel.. But they aren't winning a superbowl without Tom Brady

Parcels had a guy named Lawrence Taylor.

Skip, the man!!!!

To be fair in the 1st half Bill carried Tom but the more you move along the more Tom carried him. It’s not black and white since the arguments are good on both sides, so honestly it’s a personal preference

I agree with both sides of the story here, the Ravens winning their super bowl was the art work of Bill and the first year Bill was at the Pat's he was in a building stage. And Tom to work with most personal that comes and goes and to make clutch plays and big plays continuously when needed is on another level to most QB's. It is around the 50-50 some times it swings back and forth a little but most of the time it is equal.

They compliment each other and make each other better. Argument over, it’s a team sport. Good Lord.

They both are overpowered, both tom and bill are goats. Bill could win any QB he made matt Cassell look great, jimmy g was a stud and definitely couldve groomed him in a great player, and also the backup qb with the colts cant remember his name. Its obvious that he can win without brady due to his gameplan. Tom brady could easily win with another team. Theyre both goats and its almost not fair them being on the same team.

All the great ones are

Bill is the greatest coach is the history of sports

I wish Jenny would look at me the way she looks at skip 😍

Fran Tarkenton, and Ol Vinny SKILP

"Your collection is STILL on my record! I gotta pay it off to co-sign!"

It’s a shame all of those top 10 defenses of the early 2000’s patriots have been forgotten. And Kevin Faulk has been forgotten. And Lagarett Blount has been forgotten. Tom Brady never won a Super Bowl without being on a team with a good defense or with a solid enough running game to pick up tough yards. When Bill needed the weight of the world to be on Tom’s shoulders, the patriots went 18-1.

Tom Brady Goat QB !!!

People always say what was Belichek before Brady (even though he did win Superbowls being the Giants DC). But what was Brady before Belichek. The man didn't even start in college, and was a 6th Rd pick. Bill deserves alot of credit for creating Tom Brady.

During all of those comebacks they had to get stops too, and the defense is ran completely by Bill.

It literally kills skip when shannon brings up he played, Skip always gotta say he knows the person or “covered them” apparently Skip has covered every team in history

It's 50/50, you can't have one without the other. Bill does well to put together a gameplan and Brady executes it. If it's not executed well then no amount of coaching will help. Really it's 33% since McDaniels puts together a great gameplan and calls good plays in the game.

The players always deserve most of the credit because they perform on the field.

This again. Just enjoy the ride

Yo that’s an old topic, but man football is coming back!!

If I'm remembering correctly, one of the Browns almost victories in the last 2 years was in a game in Foxboro. They had something like a 2 TD lead with 2 minutes to play and figured out a way to lose. Anything's possible. EDIT: And seriously Bayless should stop accusing people of being haters given he's the biggest hater of anyone! LOL

Bill is the best special teams coach ever! Its always dann near perfect

I like how skip bayless asks these guys if they know how an nfl team operates, if they understand locker room culture.

"I love how the fail to mention AB... They're undefeated when he plays...." -AB

Bill Knew Everything - Drones on opposing practices helped

Skip was right 🤣after all

The 07 patriots defense was great look at the roster

I really think it's 50/50. They have an incredible professional relationship.

The greatest Coach...period

6:21 A couple of days ago, Skip said that Edelman was just a 7th round pick. You can't have it both ways.

Ooooooooooh! Mangini is giving us privileged information about what EVERYONE already knows! Damn!

Why is this even a debate? They are both the greatest of all-time at what they do, and they have needed each other in order to accomplish what they have. If Patriots fans really don’t want Belichick, then send him over to my Steelers. You can have Tomlin, who has no idea what he’s doing in critical situations.

Skips eyebrows lol

Both guys are key to their success, but Belichick deserves more credit because he created an environment where NOBODY can be comfortable. Brady down to the 53rd guy on the roster is afraid to be late to a meeting. Even Chad Johnson aka Ochocinco mentioned how shocked he was to see Brady get chewed out in a meeting. Nobody is safe. That accountability puts everyone at attention. Assistant coaches as well. If they make it to another Super Bowl, their focus and practice level will be at 200% after seeing what happened to Malcolm Butler.

Brady. Think about it. If it was Belicheck, Why is their defense so good this year?... it’s the players... only thing different than other years. I’m not saying the coach is bad, but it’s the players that make the team great.

Belichick is a great coach let's not forget that the Browns last playoff win was when he was coaching and it was against the patriots ironically.

I usually lean towards Tom but this last super bowl showed how important bill is especially when Tom is struggling

"Bill is different than other coaches" SINCE WHEN??? I HAD NO IDEA!!!

Damn I forgot the Browns/Ravens were built up by Bill.

Belichick and Brady are forever entwined. They both deserve equal credit.

I love how the Sports Networks bring failed coaches on board as commentators on other coaches. Mango I had 1 winning playoff season as an NFL head coach, 2006 with the Jets who finished 10-8, in his very first season.. in 2007 he came down to earth with a 4-12 season. Overall he's 33-47 with the Jets and Cleveland.

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Man I'm tried of this argument... Its 50/50. Tom wouldnt be the same without bill, and bill wouldnt be the same without tom

It's amazing how much TB and LBJ have in common.

Agree with Skip

To be fair, this has been done in the AFC and they play in the AFC East. This run would not have gone on if NE was an NFC team

As always the Pats will be better than anyone anticipates... Who they are in week 1, 5, 13 and 16 will be different and ultimately when the it's time to play in the playoffs they'll be ready...

Marino shows you what a great QB looks like without a great coach/team, Nick Sabin shows you what a great coach with no QB looks like, you need both to win a super bowl, you need a great organisation to create a dynasty. Players win games, QBs and Coaches win Super Bowls, GM’s / owners create daynasties

Shannon is casket clean!!!

I'd say that they both need each other reason being is that being a Qb is more than just throwing the football. You can almost take any average player whether he be a lineman or a tight end and throw the ball 40 or 50 yards but that still wouldn't make him a Quarterback. Most people forget that Tom brady has a good work habit on and off the field. He does his homework figuring out ways to to get better and how to beat you because he knows that he isn't athletic he's slow doesn't have Aaron Rodgers arm although he can throw pretty far but he's great in situational football when the other teams figure you out and the pressure is on. This what gives him an edge over most QBs making right decisions. Not all the time but for most of the time. You can have a great coach but if you don't have the right Quarterback to carry out the mission then it's useless. Belichick is a good chess player coach he studies all the moves. It's like teaching you how to play an instrument, I could teach you how to play the keys (I'm a musician), I can teach you the basics but ultimately you'll have to up your own style if you want to go to the next level, and that means that you'll have to practice practice, practice. Not when you just have a keyboard session but also at home and every chance you get. Brady studies football at home on holidays etc. So he can be the best. Belichick said himself that he learned a lot from Brady. 60% Brady 40% Belichick is my opinion. Coach wouldn't have all of these superbowls without Tom hands down!

Wait... Belchick gets the most credit for the 1st 3 SB; yet over-all Brady is the BIG reason?!?! #MakesNoSence

10:02 What was that Shannon?

The only thing sharpe said I agree with

Skip just doesn't get football...coaches play a BIG part in teams ..

Skip is unbelievable lmao.

I’m pretty late to commenting on this segment but I must correct Shannon that Joe Gibbs as a HOF coach did win his first SB with a HOF QB in Joe Theisman so idk about that argument even going far but the two go hand n hand as well

Y'all know who tom is, kobe Bryant 5 ring, loss in big game, both won 3 with Shaq and bill defence first before they won the next 2 on there own. There resume are similar to each other so much. Joe and micheal resume are similar with them not losing at all in the big game

60/50 Bill/Brady

Just one difference - Brady

Tom Brady was making teams great even before the NFL. Dude knows how to win no matter who is around him. Belichick and Brady are both the goat. But Brady, considering how much he was overlooked up until he took over starting job, is the most impressive of the two. That’s my opinion.

Tom goat

Turns out...without Brady, Bill is just another coach, searching

Ultimately .... PLAYERS play the game. Belichick should get credit for building the Patriots "culture" which includes his roles of being able to be both the GM and Coach. As for people who always want to use the word "system" .... every team has their "system". No coach tosses the ball to their QB and lets them do their own thing. The difference is .... Brady and Belichick have been repeating and refining the same strategy for over 15 years. Forget a QB who lasts that long .. how many more coaches are there in the NFL who have lasted over 10 years. Marvin Lewis (no idea how he's kept his job with such mediocrity) and Mike McCarthy who ... wow .. also has one of the greatest QBs of all time. However, no one wants to label that 10+ year relationship a "system".

Check out Bellichicks record before he started Tom Brady. Nuff said!

Bill been in the nfl for over 40 years. His options plays for offense for all players on all plays os really hard to understand that why he rather have smart then talent. Be smarter is better in football.

The credit in my opinion goes to Belichick he is the one that's kept his dynasty alive for 20 years. He is the one who made the unpopular decision to start Brady after Drew Bledsoe was healthy. He took a lot of heat for starting an unknown second-year quarterback out of Michigan instead of playing a guy the organization just paid 100 million dollars to. At the end of the day the credit goes to Belichick because he stood up against the general consensus and recognized what Tom Brady was

Shannon Sharpe is talking like the New England Patriots are the Navy Seals of the NFL lol

I listen to Shannon and whichever guest they have on, when skip starts talking I close the video

Cowboys fan, Skip Bayless, going to help send Belichick to my 49ers. If social media existed in the 1990's, Skip would be saying to trade Pippen because MJ does it all.

This is absolutely stupid. They're both great in their own right. This entire "debate" is bred out of jealousy to be honest. We don't do this with any Coach/QB duo. I've never heard people debate Lombardi/Starr, Montana/Walsh, Shanahan/Young, Shanahan/Elway, Holmgren/Favre, Shula/Marino, Knoll/Bradshaw, Dungy/Manning, etc. Not once Have i ever heard people diminish those QBs legacy because of their coaches, but yet we do it with Brady???... People for some reason have massive jealousy/hate towards brady that they'll go overboard and try and tear down his legacy to the point that it's pathetic. and i am not even a patriots fan, just being objective here

I'm not a fan of Skip but hindsight is 20/20 all of these years later and he was right about Tom Brady. Bill Belichick was mediocre coach before Tom Brady and he looks even worst since Brady departure. While Tom Brady has lead the Tampa Bay Bucs to the playoffs each year and won a Super Bowl in 2020.

Now shannon says it Brady lol 😂

If the first three SB wins in NE was primarily Bill, well then it should follow that most of the credit should keep going to Bill. Sure, I agree that TB is a great QB, but he couldn't win a single SB with the browns. Sure the QB is important and you need a good one to win. But if you don't build a good enough team around that QB it doesn't work. Football, despite how much everyone seems try to forget is a team game. And team games at the professional level cannot be won by a single player no matter who he is. That's just how it is.

You gotta give some of the percentage to Dante Scarnecchia. Night and day without him coaching the O-Line. Brady is the GOAT, but no QB is great on his back.

What is Chip smoking during the commercial break? Who fumbled in the last Super Bowl? Brady. Who took over the Atlanta Super Bowl? James White. Who won the game for New England against Seattle? Malcolm Butler. It's not just Brady and Belichick. It's the whole team.

Its 50/50. Bilichick is afforded a lot of luxury having someone he does not need to worry about at the most important position who also takes pay cuts for him to grab more talent. Brady also keeps himself healthy and out of trouble. They need each other.