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Ernst Roets in debate with ANC on black empowerment and white privilege 

Ernst Roets
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On 20 November 2018 I debated Ndumiso Mokako, Deputy President of the ANC Youth League regarding the racist share scheme of the newly established Discovery Bank. The debate turned out to be more about black empowerment and white privilege in general than about the particulars of our concern regarding Discovery Bank's announcement that 10% of their shares will be given for free to black customers exclusively. I have to say that I was more than slightly puzzled by Ndumiso's line of reasoning. The discussion got quite heated towards the end, largely because Ndumiso was trying to scream over everyone. Please comment below and give me your views on how the debate went. What would you have said if you were in the studio? What do you think of the ANC's arguments? How neutral do you think the host was?

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@savannahrobinson3830
@savannahrobinson3830 5 лет назад
Ernst, you and my husband used to skateboard together while still living in Tzaneen 😀 great job as always. The comparison you made using the vehicles was just brilliant! The presenter wasn't neutral and you could see the smug look on your opponent's face. We need Afriforum, you are the only organisation dedicated to the well being of the country's people. I don't see the government working towards uplifting their people so I don't understand why they expect Afriforum to do it? 🤔 Very thankful for the work you do Ernst 🤙
@ErnstRoets
@ErnstRoets 5 лет назад
FuzzJunkie Ah! Great to hear. I think about those days a lot.
@nicoarnold2200
@nicoarnold2200 5 лет назад
@​@@ErnstRoets Skateboard ry is white privilege :-)
@savannahrobinson3830
@savannahrobinson3830 5 лет назад
@@ErnstRoets Thanks for your reply 😀 his name is Francouis Breedt, I hope you remember him?
@bigcheesepuff1
@bigcheesepuff1 5 лет назад
Ernst - well done - u showed this guy up for who he is. Sits there laughing - shows how completely lacking in morals he is.
@iwazhere7077
@iwazhere7077 5 лет назад
@@ErnstRoets the only really big problem in sadafrika is that the peephol, have never seen you land iKwality kickflip 😎
@stevehofmeyr8696
@stevehofmeyr8696 5 лет назад
The "cars outside" argument was beautiful.
@cosmicsurfer5911
@cosmicsurfer5911 5 лет назад
one that hits home on so many levels :)
@bigcheesepuff1
@bigcheesepuff1 5 лет назад
Steve - thanks for standing up for whats right. U might be interested in this - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8Nbvd3FOLUA.html - This ANC guy spoke a lot about removing the requirements for loans - America tried this - resulted in the 2008 financial crash
@thekgi1349
@thekgi1349 5 лет назад
Jy is 'n rassis wat die probleem is. 'N Wit supremacist. Ek het 'n radio-onderhoud van jou op RU-vid gehoor en hoe jy swart mense in Suid-Afrika beskryf en jy was walglik oneerlik en rassisties. Jy maak skade aan die beeld van blanke mense in Suid-Afrika en dra by tot die groeiende vyandigheid en haat tussen mense. Hoe gaan dit die land baat vind? Wat 'n skande, soos jy, moet hierdie pragtige land gedeporteer en uitgeskop word. Jy slaag nooit in jou rassistiese en haatlike agenda nie en jy kan nie die winde van verandering in hierdie land stop nie, maak nie saak wat jy doen nie. Die ANC, UDM en EFF doen 'n goeie werk en mnr. Roets en jou mense moet positief wees. bydrae in plaas daarvan om tyd en energie in die teenstrydige transformasie en 'n goeie Suid-Afrika vir almal op nie net blanke mense te mors nie.
@elaineduplooy5584
@elaineduplooy5584 5 лет назад
@@thekgi1349 ,stop blaming Steve and others with the same point of view for the mess this country is in after 25 years of black rule. They are forced to and have the right to fight for the rights of their own race, cause nobody is gonna do it for them and stop forcing yourself on them. It will never work because you are total opposites. Let's face it, this country is becoming a s...thole fast, just like other African countries under black rule. The blacks are the biggest racists and they are not scared to show it, and getting away with it. Rule yourselves and leave them alone........and I'm not even white!!!!!
@elaineduplooy5584
@elaineduplooy5584 5 лет назад
@@thekgi1349 ,all I can say to you, is that your knowledge of history is quite one sided . i never condoned apartheid, i experienced it firsthand. Never had a problem with living with my own race though. There were atrocities done by both blacks and whites. Yes, we need transformation, but look around you and smell the coffee. After all, do you see the true indigenous people, the Khoisan, that were killed by both black tribes and whites are going around, looting, burning down, killing and destroying what the white man built? All I see is hatred, resentment and unforgiveness towards the white minority. Transformation.?... ain't gonna happen. Blacks and whites are like water and oil, can't mix. And Satan is hiding behind your traditions of ancestral worship, which are just demons in disguise and it is an abomination in God's eyes. How can we expect God to bless this country with everything happening right now. . Naked we came into this world and naked we will leave this world. We should spend our energy investing in our eternal home, and ask God to show us His purpose for our lives. Everything is just vanity. It is clear that we are truly living in the last days.........
@denecollett1333
@denecollett1333 5 лет назад
I can shout louder than you so my argument is better than yours! Why are we still wasting our time with this?
@bigcheesepuff1
@bigcheesepuff1 5 лет назад
I agree - there is no point debating people like this, but Ernst does a great job, - more patience than I have
@niciv.n.8747
@niciv.n.8747 5 лет назад
God protects Ernest.I would have a heart attack...if I must argue with the satan.
@bigcheesepuff1
@bigcheesepuff1 5 лет назад
@C Cleopatra - dont u get that without that 7% paying tax and growing the food, that you would all starve? - or are u too dumb? - Also why dont u tell the blacks in Europe to get out? - too stoopid hu?
@bigcheesepuff1
@bigcheesepuff1 5 лет назад
@@casalprincipe8255 - u think its up to u?
@otaliesin2133
@otaliesin2133 5 лет назад
@@casalprincipe8255 Your request to starve has been approved.
@ksaint17
@ksaint17 5 лет назад
This was insane. Ernst, I must commend you for keeping calm throughout the entirety of this "debate".
@gillianlello7325
@gillianlello7325 5 лет назад
My blood is boiling. So many points that the ANC just avoid.
@kimlee5328
@kimlee5328 5 лет назад
Ernst, your patience is remarkable, respect and thank you
@dillonkilian347
@dillonkilian347 5 лет назад
I take my hat off to you Ernest.
@ErnstRoets
@ErnstRoets 5 лет назад
Apologies for the low resolution of the video. This was the quality on which we received the clip.
@user-jr2ue9nu6y
@user-jr2ue9nu6y 5 лет назад
You patient is all I can say.
@optimistic5778
@optimistic5778 5 лет назад
Thank you Ernst.
@danieminnaar6653
@danieminnaar6653 5 лет назад
Thank you Ernst - we understand: the resolution matches the ANC representative.
@jgsouth-africa5734
@jgsouth-africa5734 5 лет назад
Ek haal my hoed af en se baie dankie vir jou my friend... Ek kan nie glo jy hou aan praat met sulke mense nie, maar ek weet jy doen dit vir ons.
@theresasmuts9896
@theresasmuts9896 5 лет назад
😇️
@edrichackermann1810
@edrichackermann1810 5 лет назад
Screaming wil never make it seem like you're winning am argument.
@Wilier7000
@Wilier7000 5 лет назад
Ernst I can only imagine your frustration. Well done keeping it together. I would have probably lost it. Thanks for all the hard work you and Afriforum are doing. I believe it will one day be the tipping point for a flourishing SA.
@andriescombrink7104
@andriescombrink7104 5 лет назад
Ernst, jy was billik en intelligent in jou argumente gedurende hierdie debat!
@dundee505
@dundee505 5 лет назад
Cannot get into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. Welgedaan Ernst
@graemetm8109
@graemetm8109 5 лет назад
Ernst I have been watching you closely and I am thankful,..our country needs leaders like your self..Ek staan by jou!! Your always objective and factual which the ANC, EFF & BLF cannot run from.. a very patient man. It must be like speaking to a wall with these people,... especially in parliament.
@marklabuschagne7499
@marklabuschagne7499 5 лет назад
Ernst, you present excellent arguments and I'm proud to have you as a representative of a minority. It's just such a big pity that your arguments are always refuted with lies or disregarded as being based on racism. Keep up the good work and keep on fighting!
@jennieterblanche9148
@jennieterblanche9148 5 лет назад
We need to face the fact that our arguments are from a free world free market western-mindset and that they have a communist mindset. Therefore we will never agree neither will they play fair according to our standards and values. Let's take that as fact and then move on from there. What to do in the current situation, after we have realized that debates will not change a mindset set on failure and misery.
@MrJLRAR
@MrJLRAR 5 лет назад
This is spot on.
@elwinbooysen8901
@elwinbooysen8901 5 лет назад
Totally agree with you! 👌
@niciv.n.8747
@niciv.n.8747 5 лет назад
Like satan fights Jesus...that's why....
@PrideOfficial
@PrideOfficial 5 лет назад
Failure and misery see their you go again just putting us down couldn't keep it clean you dirty skat could yah??
@jgsouth-africa5734
@jgsouth-africa5734 5 лет назад
Is it just me or is the host of these things almost alway a bigger black activist than the opponent... How is this fair?
@bargluftnationalism1054
@bargluftnationalism1054 5 лет назад
JG South-Africa blacks dont understand the concept of moderating
@blokcomNativeFaces
@blokcomNativeFaces 5 лет назад
Because this is how they roll
@rationalthinker2370
@rationalthinker2370 3 года назад
We call this 2 tackle 1 in the street and he was not in charge of the interview he was attacking a side, emotional.
@skywalkerneoblade
@skywalkerneoblade 5 лет назад
Forced equality is tyranny. Competence hierarchies occur naturally. You cannot have freedom and total equality at the same time. Tyranny or Freedom, not both.
@shimmyshimmy96
@shimmyshimmy96 5 лет назад
Professor Jordan Peterson is that you
@lionelbekker3590
@lionelbekker3590 5 лет назад
It’s all got todo with IQ, if you have low IQ then you will have less, if you have a high IQ you will have more.
@lioneloconnor4785
@lioneloconnor4785 5 лет назад
In Europe, they call it "Class!"
@dawiemeyer1630
@dawiemeyer1630 5 лет назад
blacks breed to much - that is the reason for black poverty
@madtingz8004
@madtingz8004 5 лет назад
You people completely over simplify things
@dawiemeyer1630
@dawiemeyer1630 5 лет назад
@@madtingz8004 that is called logic - of which it seems you havent got much
@madtingz8004
@madtingz8004 5 лет назад
@@dawiemeyer1630 Oh really? So all the racial disparities in SA are 100% to do with IQ seems very logical
@lindasmit7815
@lindasmit7815 5 лет назад
Blacks can point a finger but whites are not given that previlage.
@elwinbooysen8901
@elwinbooysen8901 5 лет назад
This is getting ridiculous. 😧 How is it even possible to sort out our country's issues if it is impossible to have a logical conversation? 😳 It does not matter how factual or truthful you may be, you are not even being heard let alone understood. Your opponents are filled with too much arrogance and pride, their hatred and envy runs too deep, and their greed and lust is too great to allow you to succeed in getting them to understand. All this will turn around eventually, everything moves in cycles, the question is, what will be the price attached?? 😓
@thekgi1349
@thekgi1349 5 лет назад
Hello Booysen the separatist anti black young man. Transformation must happening and don't be surprised if white privilege does not like that. ANC must continue to steam ahead with policies.
@elwinbooysen8901
@elwinbooysen8901 5 лет назад
@@thekgi1349 Hey, thanks for stopping by, you are the perfect guy to prove my point. In fact you just did! No matter how many times me and you go back and forth on this, with me stating explicitly I stand for equal opportunities for all this country's citizens not just black, you still believe I'm separative. Even though I explicitly state over and over again that I am against ignorance and stupidity in people, whether, white, black, Indian, Coloured or whoever, and thus against the ANC, EFF and BLF and people who support them and their plans and policies. Still you believe I'm anti-black. You don't hear me let alone understand me. You are too full of hate and feelings of revenge to listen and your greedy ambitions are too great to deviate from your argument. You are exactly who I'm speaking about.
@thekgi1349
@thekgi1349 5 лет назад
@@elwinbooysen8901 You said to me that you want a Capetown free and blacks ,only coloured and white people and some blacks who think like you.
@elwinbooysen8901
@elwinbooysen8901 5 лет назад
@@thekgi1349 No, I said we need to break away from you and your kind. It is not a race thing, it is all about beliefs, morals and being normal human beings. Remember it is not only blacks that thinks the way you do, there are people representing all kinds of races in the ANC for example, and I know of some retarded Coloureds in the EFF, look at the not-so-honorable Paulse for example. Again, NOT ABOUT RACE BUT ALL ABOUT BEING HUMAN!!!
@thekgi1349
@thekgi1349 5 лет назад
@@elwinbooysen8901 Booysen that was a racist statement and I find it scary and unfortunate that you will repeat yourself. What you are writing now is unacceptable and wrong it is something someone with an Afriforum mentality .The scary thing about you is that you pretend not to be racist but write the most racist things possible. Paulse is a brave man, he has achieved a lot in his life,he has overcome all kinds of temptations that could of destroyed his life and he become successful the man he is today.He is brave and does not tolerate racism , I like him ,respect and proud of him. That man is a good role model for many you people not just coloured but everyone.I like his attitude and more people should be like him not you.
@roadgossip
@roadgossip 5 лет назад
I will not even argue with this ANC dude, he attacks Ernest personally, and none of his arguements are based on facts. Ernest, you are correct, after so many years nothing has changed for the better in education.
@iannel4127
@iannel4127 5 лет назад
The cars comment hit him in the nuts!!
@chrisbadenhorst5304
@chrisbadenhorst5304 5 лет назад
He actually started laughing. The ANC dude
@sisandamatomela3272
@sisandamatomela3272 4 года назад
the cars comment is nonsensical because it's anecdotal Roets is either being willfully ignorant or he actually is blinded by racism...
@ramblr8161
@ramblr8161 5 лет назад
Ndumiso hogged the entire interview trying to keep Ernst from saying his piece because Ndumiso KNOWS he's wrong and he KNOWS what the ANC is doing will only benefit the ANC and NOT the poor, underprivileged black community in South Africa. I had a little hissy fit on my own when they started to debate the topic that poor black communities couldn't afford the better education that white schools gave because white privilege. It's like they were completely deaf to Ernst's argument that we have to fix the education system so THAT STOP HAPPENING. Give poor black schools the tools they need to teach efficiently and on the same levels as "rich, white schools" and there is no debate to be had on white privilege, because then the black schools will be able to make their students employable, which is not happening in this country and is why we have such a disproportionate number of black youths unemployed. I've been saying this for fucking years. Empower the poor black community by actually fucking empowering them and giving them skills to make it in a white dominated world. Not frivolous bullshit that will give them a small bit of the wealth and nothing else, while simultaneously making the rich even richer, with no progress being made AT ALL.
@Andre1705able
@Andre1705able 5 лет назад
The car was a good example. I own a Mercedes but only because I worked at Mercedes and got it at cost price when I retired. What I noticed when I take it in for a service is that 90% plus of the customers that bring their Mercedes' in for service are black.
@d.marques4700
@d.marques4700 5 лет назад
Yeah, Andre O! No surprise, at all ! "ANC+EFF+... Members", maybe...
@senditsa
@senditsa 5 лет назад
Ernst Roets, you are the most calm person i have seen in the political sector. you have my vote. I have been creating opportunities for the black community and do my best to uplift them but they always seem to use and abuse the opportunities and always take chances, loyalty still slips out the door. The majority of this country are known for it. If they change their attitude towards it the world would be a better place
@madem4406
@madem4406 5 лет назад
The host was not at ALL neutral and a disgrace!
@warren8534
@warren8534 5 лет назад
As soon as logic and reason make it into the argument the noise, rude behavior, name calling, arrogant attitudes and childish comments start. The majority are brainwashed sheeple, continually falling for promises that will never be kept. Well done Ernst for keeping your cool during that debacle.
@olwethukhumalo5816
@olwethukhumalo5816 4 года назад
Finally someone said it; the ANC isn't uplifting us, its only uplifting itself!!!
@Razza171
@Razza171 5 лет назад
Ernst, thank you for all you do. Your patience and dedication to the truth is outstanding! And hats off for your patience, I wouldn't be able to stay as calm as you do!
@kevinkotze5214
@kevinkotze5214 5 лет назад
Mooi Ernest, jyt hierdie twee mooi gewys!!!
@glaubs65
@glaubs65 5 лет назад
I think you should ask them straight "If you were hiring someone for an important management position today, do you think it's better for the country to concentrate on adjusting the colour percentages of management or do you think it's better to concentrate on hiring the best person for the job?"
@ThysLouwrens
@ThysLouwrens 5 лет назад
The problem is that this guy from the ANCYL is still living in the past. Get a grip in life and get over the past. Do you see the Afrikaner/Boer people still living in the Anglo Boer War time frame..? do you see the Boer people still blaming the British for what they did to the Boer people, the answer is NO, the Boer people picked up the pieces and moved forward whereas 90% of blacks keep moving backwards into the past. What's really interesting and shocking at the same time is that it is by far mostly the black youth who keep moving backwards, unbelievable. The ANC is governing this country for the past 25/6 years, how is it possible that apartheid can still after all this time be blamed for the ANC's failures.....?
@Sabundy
@Sabundy 5 лет назад
Because it's politically convenient for them to do so. Also.... Because unlike a large percentage of black Saffas.... The Boers are adults and get on with what they need to do to survive and get ahead. The mark of winners. While said percentage of black Saffas will always live in the past and use it as an excuse for the failures.... The mark of losers.
@shimmyshimmy96
@shimmyshimmy96 5 лет назад
Living in the past with a Mercedes.
@0724hugo
@0724hugo 5 лет назад
I really enjoyed when you asked him how do you calculate the Gini Coefficient - the laughter just stopped for a split second! Classic!!!
@GustavLeRoux
@GustavLeRoux 5 лет назад
Masters of chaos and nothingness
@niciv.n.8747
@niciv.n.8747 5 лет назад
....Gustav...yes...still believe...Satan leads most of them this way.God is One of order and love.
@kjustkses
@kjustkses 5 лет назад
2 against 1 and still Ernst was the winner.
@koosdreck
@koosdreck 5 лет назад
Thank you Ernst keep up the good work. Difficult to debate someone that is always right, he use made up facts.
@eunidapieters9331
@eunidapieters9331 5 лет назад
You wasting your precious time, and energy, you can supply statistical proof in writing, they'll debunk you! Thank you anyhow, you trying!
@andriesras9695
@andriesras9695 5 лет назад
Very well done Ernst. You are a brave man. I pray for you to keep telling the truth.
@zuleikamarques1076
@zuleikamarques1076 5 лет назад
Ernst: Thanks for a job very well done! Being smart and open-minded really makes a huge difference...
@joubertvandermerwe8786
@joubertvandermerwe8786 5 лет назад
What I noticed is Ernst always give honest and well thought out answers to the opposition, while fact checking. I can't say much about the other 2, where they only operate on cognitive bias, and not rationality. Oh and btw even if a person( whatever race) had more privilege of opportunity to be successful at what he/she does, that person will have to put in the hard work of achieving success, not the status of being privilege. Some think to become successful you just need to be handed stuff and not work for it.
@quintin4323
@quintin4323 5 лет назад
Well done Ernst, thank you for the flack you take on behalf of so many of us. You have more support than you know . Capability is the reason for the widening gap. The banks risk also reflects this and maths is not discriminatory. Global problem.
@glenelg3000
@glenelg3000 5 лет назад
The host should be fired. He lost total control of the interview then blames Ernst. What a joke!
@AlbertvWyk
@AlbertvWyk 5 лет назад
WTF mense, wanneer is genoeg genoeg?
@AlbertvWyk
@AlbertvWyk 5 лет назад
@Ria Siebert Maar die loutere snert wat die man praat gaan my verstand te bowe... amper so erg soos my mede burgers wat glo dit is steeds ons wat die probleem is en dat ons ons houding moet verander. VFG
@mariomulder3153
@mariomulder3153 5 лет назад
@@AlbertvWyk Stem , Die vraag is wat nou ? Ons kan sien dit sal nooit werk nie so wat is volgende ?
@AlbertvWyk
@AlbertvWyk 5 лет назад
@@mariomulder3153 Ek dink dat elke mens hulle deel moet doen. Hou aan veg vir wat reg en regverdigheid. Moet nie jou lot aanvaar nie, want dit is loutere snert wat aan ons voor gehou word. Wees redelik, maar so ook teenoor jouself eerste. Report Fake news, DONT SHARE fake news. Emotionally argue with facts, DONT factually argue emotions. In this case, where we are being labelled as the problem with SA, one has to ask what they themselves are doing for themselves to uplift themselves? This behavior is a slap in he face for all, from every race group, that has every rose up above their surrounding. The person driving the Mercedes & flashing the "blingy" watch is crying poverty and demanding that racist whites step down and bow down. When is enough enough for you?
@mariomulder3153
@mariomulder3153 5 лет назад
@@AlbertvWyk Na , praat help nie meer nie en mens kan nie argumenteer met dowe mense nie. Groot marakas om die draai sou ek se .
@AlbertvWyk
@AlbertvWyk 5 лет назад
@@mariomulder3153 Agreed, en die wat nie aandag gee nie, gaan die prys betaal. Dr Pieter Groenewald het gese; "jy mag dalk klaar wees met politiek, maar politiek is lank nie klaar met jou nie"
@Steve-by4uf
@Steve-by4uf 5 лет назад
Clever move by Ernst bringing up the fact that the guy drives a merc. Ernst, respectful, shows up to a TV debate well dressed in a modest care. Other guy, drives a flashy car and pitched up in a Tshirt. says a lot.
@annietm9285
@annietm9285 5 лет назад
Ernst, ek het soveel respek vir jou. Ek weet nie hoe jy jou "cool" so kan hou nie. Hulle was 2 teen 1 ek albei het "tunnel vision" Ek dink nie hulle verstaan of wil verstaan wat jy sê nie. Dankie vir alles wat jy en AfriForum vir ons doen.
@TheHolyCrabstick581
@TheHolyCrabstick581 5 лет назад
Jy's n yster Ernst, well done!
@janvonmollendorff4605
@janvonmollendorff4605 5 лет назад
Ernst, how you keep calm during such a debate is beyond me. Well done Sir.
@grahamjohnhockey
@grahamjohnhockey 4 года назад
Thank you Ernst for everything you are doing!
@Juiced10111
@Juiced10111 5 лет назад
The "white privilege" argument ended at 6:00.
@eenheidiskrag7123
@eenheidiskrag7123 5 лет назад
1,000% in favour of Ernst Roets´s stance ! Looking to the other side, Mokako seemed to be ill-prepared to debate such an important issue ! Congrats, Ernst, for the enlightening example of the Suzuki Swift versus Mercedes Benz Class A ! really POWERFUL !!!...
@dissdad8744
@dissdad8744 5 лет назад
The A Class is probably the most entry level car of Mercedes Benz and by the way: who claimed that the Suzuki Swift was the only car that Ernst has? It might be his secondary car for when he is in town. I really doubt that he uses that car for his travels between the rural areas where he lives and his media appearances in Johannesburg.
@eenheidiskrag7123
@eenheidiskrag7123 5 лет назад
@@dissdad8744 Well, maybe you are right... maybe you aren´t !!! Anyway, it´s not the CORE of his intervention. It was only one plain example of how paradoxical the Leftist-populist rhetoric can really be... I´ve seen this kind of Leftist behaviour 1st hand in other Marxist countries in Sub-Saharan Africa... and the outcome has always been the same: Full-scale DISASTER !!!
@dissdad8744
@dissdad8744 5 лет назад
@@eenheidiskrag7123 There are no Marxist countries in Africa or Sub-Sahara Africa. During the Cold War some African countries sought an alliance with the Soviet aligned world, in order to receive economic or military support. Most of these countries remained part of the non-aligned Block though. Some of those countries like Angola or Mocambique tried to implement some socialist economic models, but abandonned that course in the early 1990s when the main socialist countries (Soviet Union, East Germany and the East Bloc countries) that they previously relied on for support and trade did no longer exist. The main culprit for underdevelopment in Southern Africa is the Apartheid Regime though, because of it's campaign of destabilizing the "frontline states". The Boers essentially destroyed the complete public and industrial infrastructure within two thirds of Angola's territory, using their own troops illegal incursions and their UNITA and FNLA proxy forces or the Apartheid Regime funded and trained RENAMO in Mocambique. I would suggest you to read "Beggar Your Neighbors: Apartheid Power in Southern Africa" by Joseph Hanlon, one of the foremost experts on Southern Africa and the military and economic strategy, that was used by the Apartheid Regime to destabilize specifically Angola and Mocambique. The problem with many of you Afrikaners is that you only read your own propaganda and at some point your are starting to believe your own lies. Better read some expertise from independent and internationally acknowledged researchers!
@eenheidiskrag7123
@eenheidiskrag7123 5 лет назад
@@dissdad8744 I really appreciate that you´ve invested some time in the making of your comment… However, I must say that I can´t entirely agree with your conclusions. Hans, I really can´t imagine from where you´ve got the information that “Apartheid was the main culprit of underdevelopment in Southern Africa”! Oh, man… It´s absolutely UNTRUE!!! With regards to the underdevelopment of Angola, for example, my own memory tells me that - starting from 1975 and ending in 2002 - a much destructive Civil War took place in that territory, and that it was essentially imposed on the Angolan People by the Marxist-Leninist MPLA guerrilla movement, which managed to violently take over the capital city of Luanda in 1975, with the indispensable military support from Cubans, East-Germans, Romanians and Soviets… It was a struggle for the Absolute Power, using undemocratic means where and when necessary! For the guys in charge of the government in Luanda, only MPLA members were entitled to be Angolans!... So, what about the other millions who actually were supporters of the other 3 guerrilla movements (FNLA/ UNITA/ FLEC)? Well, better not talk about such a sensitive issue… Furthermore, maybe you have had no opportunity yet to research on the bloody massacre occurred in 1977/78, conducted by the Marxist-Leninist President of Angola (A.Neto), which led to the assassination of 80,000 Angolans! Yes, Hans: eighty thousand of the most skilled patriots who were murdered by the Communists in a few months period! Did you know that? Well, surely this kind of “democracy” doesn´t help the development process of any country, does it? Hans, just tell me something: based on what historical work did you write the contents on the 3rd paragraph? From where did you really get that ”information”? Let me tell you something: SADF really invaded Angola in response to multiple SWAPO guerrilla attacks which were launched from bases located in the Angolan territory… and, doing so, SADF have established strict “war corridors” through which they have driven their military actions. SADF have never conducted generalized war operations in Angola! SADF have never inflicted mass destruction of infrastructure in Angola!… Never, ever!!! Somehow, this kind of misinformation reminds me of a “pathetic report” I´ve read in an International newspaper about “the full destruction of the CITY of Mavinga on the hands of the SADF… Well, the CITY of Mavinga actually was a very, very tiny village in the Kwando Kwbango Province, with a few hundred peasants living there. Absolutely NO military objective, whatsoever! It´s completely nuts! Hans, I could also say something about the famous battle of Kwito Kwanavale, and especially on the alleged contribution of the MK/ ANC on it… Zuma, himself a former MK element, declared some time ago that he wanted a War Memorial built in Angola to honour “the deceased MK soldiers killed during that battle"… Strangely or not, even Angolans and Cubans say that they don´t really know what Zuma was talking about… There was no such participation of MK guerrillas in that specific battle… It´s plain Mythology at the highest possible level! It´s the fabrication of a completely fake Political & Military Narrative! But, you know what: better say nothing really!... Maybe one day we can talk about the same topics on the Mozambique case, as well… or maybe on Rhodesia/ Zimbabwe!… History always has multiple “sides”, and it seems to me that any one of us is always on the right one! Yet, I promised myself that I was not going to talk about widespread & institutionalized CORRUPTION in Southern Africa, and the hyper-appalling effect it has had on the regional development… and so, no word will be spoken on it! Thanks for the conversation, Hans!
@gavinbotha457
@gavinbotha457 5 лет назад
As soon as a hard question is asked, the brain goes into a frozen state, reboots and the startup message is apartheid.
@christim4941
@christim4941 5 лет назад
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@zuleikamarques1076
@zuleikamarques1076 5 лет назад
Spot on ! Gavin, your sentence says it all !!!!
@Appregator
@Appregator 5 лет назад
Closing my Discovery medical aid and all related Discovery products.
@hanliecarstens7330
@hanliecarstens7330 5 лет назад
Daardie argument van die motors is briljant! Ons geagte ANC- spreker was maar ongemaklik!!
@lazola808
@lazola808 5 лет назад
Debating won't change anything! The majority needs to have equal economic power as the minority.
@crystlearialkruger199
@crystlearialkruger199 4 года назад
Great job Ernest Stand strong. Hit them with the facts
@Francloy1
@Francloy1 5 лет назад
Btw, I have never been robbed by a white guy.
@kevinkotze5214
@kevinkotze5214 5 лет назад
No Problem Ernst, we are in Africa, ha ha everything goes here
@georgewilliams6498
@georgewilliams6498 3 года назад
Just rewatched this video again. And it is sad that how after 2 years the ANCs position hasn’t changed. Now they are talking about creating jobs for black South Africans. What about the white, Colored and Indian youth born after ‘94 that struggle to find work?
@shimmyshimmy96
@shimmyshimmy96 5 лет назад
I'm a black South African in a black community who went to black schools. The quality of education is as bad as Ndumiso's reasoning. Look up the stats of two parent households in the black community by Stats SA and blacks are at the top, most of them are raised by poor single mothers which puts them at a huge disadvantage. Alcoholism and drug abuse is also a serious problem which is very evident in our communities. Almost all the older people 60 and above complain that the Apartheid government is better than the ANC led government, the schools and the teachers were way better, unemployment was low and almost everyone had a job. The current government has all the "good" policies but what are good policies when we are so corrupt. All these things have nothing to do with racism, we have a serious problem of self responsibility and government enforces diffusion of responsibility on blacks and that puts alot of faith on the government which is a disaster. I also think that the impact of race is overly stated in South Africa and I think it's overly simplistic to blame everything on white privilege. Rampahosa 's minimum wage bill will hurt blacks even more, these people should just stop helping blacks at all because shit is getting worse.
@lioneloconnor4785
@lioneloconnor4785 4 года назад
Simmy Shimango.. Thank you for you comment! Respect😀
@frederickkotze8138
@frederickkotze8138 5 лет назад
good questions and good points raised Ernst. Well done
@pembrokeshiresspark
@pembrokeshiresspark 5 лет назад
The black bald guy loves the sound of his own voice
@jennieterblanche9148
@jennieterblanche9148 5 лет назад
Hulle het hul bed gekies waarop hulle gaan moet slaap, ne.
@acaqcoelho
@acaqcoelho 5 лет назад
Take my hat off for Ernst he has two against him..
@devtheron6333
@devtheron6333 5 лет назад
The voice of understanding is soft and gentle. It has no impact at first. As time goes by, it slowly erode away the emotional difficulties experienced by the majority. If they look at their interview, over and over again, even those traumatised by apartheid and emotionally angered, will find comfort in Ernest words. Whites can truly feel proud that the stigma of oppression are addressed, and that Afriforum can help to fix the wrong doings by looking at the present action of government and institutions to uplift the poor and other suffering minorities. You did well, Ernst. You represented our view better than we could do under such terrible hard and biast interview. We surely have tolerance, but we will drive away corruption like a can of doom, the corrupt flies will hear that spray of compassion, and then those hardened crime comrades will fall into the c-maxes and luxury prisons awaiting their arrogance. The voice of honest citizens will understand. And the universe will protect righteousness, because God is great!
@HARLEYQUINN-tf6ee
@HARLEYQUINN-tf6ee 4 года назад
Dear Mr Roets. That was a piece of art to watch, on live tv, you OWN, not 1, but 2 opponents simultaneously...Damn, you good!!!
@paulsheridan1486
@paulsheridan1486 5 лет назад
My goodness Ernst how do you have the patience for these muppets to say nothing about that biased interviewer!! Loved the inalogy of the two cars! 😂 & it seems like he who speaks the loudest wins.. God help us all.
@esihleisizwe1290
@esihleisizwe1290 5 лет назад
Am I the only black person here??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 when your mom catches you stealing And she ask "WHAT YOU DOING??? " 🙊 you like it's not me!!
@acaqcoelho
@acaqcoelho 5 лет назад
i know of someone in Eskom who has trained black people to take over a position since 1994 and to date has not been able to get one trained they all leave giving up .....I Q is a big difference and these people that are forcing change do not want to see that...
@cheetahcheetah3756
@cheetahcheetah3756 5 лет назад
Irony is that blacks flocked to SA during apartheid. 1913 census 3mil.. and 2013 it was 44mil.
@howzit5406
@howzit5406 5 лет назад
How fun it is to see one guy beat up two without trowing a punch
@upermax2008
@upermax2008 5 лет назад
Angola......Zimbabwe....Mozambique... Guess who's next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@waldie1984rsa
@waldie1984rsa 5 лет назад
What an absolute joke. There was not a lot of logic, reason and tolerance forthcoming from the host or the ANC member. I do find it amazing at how calm and collected Mr. Roets remained in the face of this constant slander and insults. I can just shake my head, I fear that you will never recover or get value for the 26 minutes of your life spent there that day Mr. Roets, but I applaud your continued effort.
@jackblacksash
@jackblacksash 3 года назад
Note that this 'master debater' is the best the ANC has to offer. If they had any brains ANC voters should be VERY worried.
@chezlinf
@chezlinf 5 лет назад
Lol, excellent comparison on the cars Ernst, why you let him off the hook on that? Let him answer how he driving that expensive car for the poor people, lol
@jontibloom
@jontibloom 5 лет назад
Ndumiso Mokako's hypocrisy is quite stunning
@valeriorossi5035
@valeriorossi5035 Год назад
"And you own land, I don't own land". "Which land do I own?"
@wilhelmhamann2280
@wilhelmhamann2280 3 года назад
We are living in a country where YOU could not have provided for the children YOU brought into the world.! Diepkloof is YOUR choice - not because you were being forced!
@mclarlinda
@mclarlinda 5 лет назад
Anyone, not just white South Africans, anyone who cares about discrimination should withdraw their shares in this bank.
@janetbr3024
@janetbr3024 5 лет назад
Shocking unprofessional interviewer
@dinokunene9174
@dinokunene9174 5 лет назад
Black privilege is to argue from a poor persons perspective whilst hosting your own TV show and driving around German luxury cars.
@pvw337
@pvw337 5 лет назад
The host is extremely unprofessional
@peterlloyd9025
@peterlloyd9025 5 лет назад
The result of affirmative action.
@astraeashaw4768
@astraeashaw4768 5 лет назад
Most Africans are so busy pretending to be grown up - it is tiresome. Where do you get such patience Mr. Roets?
@danielprins9048
@danielprins9048 5 лет назад
I have to get the name of your tablets your on to keep you so calm! Excellent debate Ernest, just sad that the tv host and anc did not understood it. The car thing was my favorite!
@Relaxo-h3k
@Relaxo-h3k 5 лет назад
Baie mooi gestel ERNEST. Dankbaar vir jou! Ek wens net iemand kan uiteindelik luister. Jou redenasie is alweer vêr bo die van die slimmes wat uiteindelik die land gaan opneek.
@henniecronje2868
@henniecronje2868 4 года назад
Isn't that apartheid corps dead enough? They're still kicking it. I think they're actually hoping to wake it up. (As if Ernst or any of us had anything to do with it). Must be scary to be in charge and not know what to do.
@georgepeterson4757
@georgepeterson4757 2 месяца назад
The children that came from multiracial school's must work themselves up to positions of power and try to make this country of us a better place.
@williamzar5021
@williamzar5021 4 года назад
Spot on Ernst. No black will ever get you down. You talk fact. Nice example with the cars!!!!! And thats how it is.
@charmsutube
@charmsutube 5 лет назад
Never argue with a fool they will drag you down to their level and beat the hell out of you and then think they won by callings you a rasist.
@adeleforgey1872
@adeleforgey1872 5 лет назад
Education is a mess! fix education
@jczartoryski
@jczartoryski Год назад
China and India uplifted hundreds of millions in the last three decades. The past plays a role, but not wasting the present is key.
@kraigvanrooyen7839
@kraigvanrooyen7839 5 лет назад
Ernst. You outclassed that fool. I praise you and the work you do. YOU Sir, are the future of this country. Keep fighting the good fight. Thank you
@siqalohlazo3453
@siqalohlazo3453 3 года назад
I feel so sorry for Ernest. It must be so frustrating to sit there trying to convince people of something and knowing ignorance of history, economics, and psychology is preventing them from understanding what you are saying.
@melehost
@melehost 5 лет назад
The Black GUESTS have to be returned to Central Africa. HOST indigenous Whites have to make a stand.
@redbeard9555
@redbeard9555 5 лет назад
The attitude of Mokako and the presenter is case in point which proves the prevalant racism of black people towards white people. Well done, Ernst.
@gertpietersen6287
@gertpietersen6287 3 года назад
Great job as usual my friend!
@RudiBurger
@RudiBurger 5 лет назад
Ernst, ek haal my hoed vir jou af. Ek kyk al jou onderhoude, en Vader alleen weet hoe jy jouself altyd so kalm hou... regtig! Dankie vir wat jy doen, want ek dink baie baie min sal dit so profesioneel kan doen soos jy.
@guntervanstraaten4562
@guntervanstraaten4562 5 лет назад
Ernst, i take my hat of to you sir, staying that calm, just wow, keep foing what you're doing.
@johannhugo6563
@johannhugo6563 5 лет назад
Goeie werk Ernst. Before answering the question of what Afriforum does for the poor/black people, you can ask them: - What do you think is the function of a civil rights group ? - What is the responsibility of a civil rights group vs the responsibility of the government ? - How many groups have a focus on the poor/black people vs how many groups have a focus on Afrikaans speaking people ? The mandate of Afriforum is to represent their members, but in spite of that, they have several initiatives to help other people. The mandate of Goverment is to represent everyone, but in spite of that, they mainly focus on the poor/black people.
@user-yu8yg1vb5b
@user-yu8yg1vb5b 4 года назад
The argument sums up the South African situation perfectly.
@gillianlello7325
@gillianlello7325 5 лет назад
The more I listen to how ANC and EFF go on about this monopoly capital, I'm starting to wonder why they do not fix these same issues in other countries in Africa? Why are Zimbabweans still poor? Did Robert not promise exactly what these things that ANC and EFF are punting
@kaksakvisagie4131
@kaksakvisagie4131 5 лет назад
So the ANCYL guy argues that their lives were better before colonialism, and then in the same breath complains that they want more control of institutions that came about via colonialism and capitalism. Wow...
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